Topic: Next Nintendo Direct?

@Grumblevolcano
This is pretty much what I’m saying. These companies make most of their money through software sales, often selling hardware at cost or even at loss, at least for the first half of the lifecycle.

I get what you’re saying, @skywake. It’s just that Metroid has, over and over again, demonstrated that it’s not an A or B-tier franchise when it comes to sales, it doesn’t have a record of helping to sell systems even with remarkable games like Prime, and the core audience likely to buy Prime 4 is probably already gonna buy a Switch 2 regardless.

Time to watch Twitter to see if Pyoro is active this weekend 😛

I feel like this Direct Thread is slowly going crazy waiting. If nothing else, we will at least have whatever hints Nintendo drops at the May 8 financial meeting to hyper-analyze.

Yknow I feel like Nintendo LIKES tricking and fooling us and making us over speculate and wait 💀

@OctolingKing13 yeah i think ur right💀😭

Heya folks, been away from the forums for the past while and wanted to see how Direct speculation is goin-

it would appear as though I have come in at a bad time XD

All jokes aside, I think the last time this thread ended up getting this stir-crazy for a Direct was June of last year (aka the first appearance of THE BIRD XD). I've been pretty much out of the loop in terms of Direct speculation for the last couple weeks given my forum sabbatical so I've kind of just been living under the mentality of 'it happens when it happens'. Obviously I'd like it to be sooner rather than later but all will be revealed in due time I suppose.

@rallydefault
Software sales are king but you need to sell hardware to sell software. And consumers are fickle, perception is everything. It doesn't matter if people buy all the Switch 2 launch games or even if those games are Switch 2 exclusive. What matters is whether or not they perceive it as a worthwhile platform to buy into so it can rapidly gain an install base. Because ultimately it's that install base that will dictate software sales and therefore support which snowballs into more sales

And sure, we can argue that the Metroid Prime target demographic was buying Switch 2 anyway. Possibly. But consider the logic of that argument. If those users are buying Switch 2 anyway then, logically, the larger Switch install base means nothing. Those people are buying Switch 2 anyways

I'm not convinced that's the case. But my gut feeling is that Prime 4 ultimately sells better if it is Switch 2 enhanced and launches after or alongside Switch 2. Because I suspect it's target market will skew towards enthusiast, so the install base loss won't be a huge detriment. Especially if it's Switch compatible. But more importantly by being early the software competition will be significantly smaller

I mean think about it. If it's a late Switch title do you buy it? I'm not entirely sure I would. It's not like there's a shortage of options on Switch and while I like Metroid I've never really been a huge fan of the Prime games. But if the Switch launches and it's like Mario Kart 9, Prime 4 and maybe GTA5 yet again or something? I'm buying Prime so I can see what the new hardware can do

But again, the important thing isn't one game. They're launching a new platform. The only game in town is gaining sales momentum for that platform because hardware sales translate into software sales. And the way to sell hardware? Good software. I don't see how dangling a shiny release like Metroid Prime 4 on the wrong side of launch helps them in the medium term

I don't know why we need remake of Ocarina of Time, because we already have remake for the 3DS and it looks amazing. I truly need remakes of Oracles and Phantom Hourglass&Spirit Tracks. Especially Oracles, the original looks awful and I can't play it. (I've never played it tho) Just remake all of 2D zelda. This is all what I want.

https://fantendo.fandom.com/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Oracles...

I dunno where they got this source but it sounds soooo good. Two remakes and one additional new game as trilogy. Nintendo, please make this happen.

I'd be down for DS Zelda remakes. Or a HD remaster of a Link Between Worlds. Or Minish Cap. Or the Oracle games..... or just any 2D Zelda of any description

Wind Waker HD is probably the safer bet for this year but

@zlobnicazelda OoT 3D looks all right, but it plays like a gimped empty open zone adventure, which it kind of is because of the limitation of the N64. I want to play a version of OoT that feels like it was designed from the ground up on a modern console, not one that's just the original OoT with an HD coat of paint slapped on. I'm sick of those kinds of remakes, they feel exactly the same as remasters to me no matter what cool things they might've actually done to recreate the graphics from the ground up (part of the reason I never felt the hype for Prime Remastered, like it looks slightly better but I mean, it's just Prime 1 again, no content was actually added or improved). More remakes that actually add/improve content (examples: HGSS, ORAS, Zero Mission, Samus Returns, Mario 64 DS) and less that are all or almost all graphical improvements please.

@Bolt_Strike
At risk of starting another argument because I know this general topic is one where we furiously disagree... I don't really agree. Ocarina of Time 3D was, IMO, pretty much spot on for a remaster. If you're going to remake a game then it needs to be at least somewhat constrained by the limitations of the original game. If you want an Ocarina of Time that wasn't constrained by the limitations of the N64 that game is called Twilight Princess

I mean sure, Ocarina of Time 3D still played like Ocarina of Time. But it was, you know, Ocarina of Time. But what it did do is add a bunch of QoL improvements, most notable the second screen and gyro additions. And sure, most of the improvements outside of that were graphical but those graphical changes also involved changing pre-rendered backdrops into fully 3D environments. And that last bit, while mostly a graphical improvement, was a HUGE step up because the pre-rendered backdrops date the game terribly

But as a remaster goes..... what more do you want out of it? It's fine. I wouldn't mind them putting a HD polish over the whole thing and doing it again. Maybe as a double pack with Majora's Mask or something. But if they were to do that the main reason for me wanting that is that as it stands the only version of those games technically available now are the N64 versions on NSO. Which aren't as good

And, frankly, that's my view for a lot of these sort of titles. It's not really about adding something to these games that wasn't there before. It's more about modernising them while still maintaining the core of what made the game good. And the ones where that is most important are the ones that have aged the worst, N64 in particular has aged horribly, or for systems where the games are otherwise unavailable to play

So to repeat my post from above..... I feel like the DS Zeldas and A Link Between Worlds should be at the top of the list if we were to dig into that well. The N64 Zeldas? eh, maybe. The 3DS remakes were good enough and I still have my copies so I'm in no huge rush but given they're technically not available anymore I don't think it'd be a bad move. But Wind Waker.... just drop it on the Switch already, as is, no change required (although maybe turn off the bloom effect this time around?)

Ya'll have some really good ideas for an OoT remake, but please God don't turn it into breath of the wild with an Oot theme. After that developer interview, remakes are all traditional 3D zelda fans have in the future. Why does everything have to be an open world game?

@skywake
For me, I'm going to buy Prime 4 no matter when it comes out and which system it's on even though I'm not a Metroid fan - I enjoyed the Prime remake enough (not my favorite, but it was a nice jaunt that got a little long in the tooth toward the end), so I'd like to play some more of the Prime games. That said, I'd be MORE likely to get it right at launch if it launches this holiday for my current Switch because, well, there's not much else going on with Switch at the moment after Thousand Year Door comes out. If it's anything like the Prime remastered game I played, it will certainly offer a lot of play time, so it would be a fantastic, polished 1st-party game to play in the time before the new hardware in early 2025.

Now, if Prime 4 comes out right at or within a month or two of launch of the Switch 2, I'm probably not getting it right away because there will likely be a meaty Mario launch title if the rumors are to be believed (as well as common sense and lessons learned from past console launches). I would even opt to play a Zelda remake or something like that for the new hardware before I'd turn to Prime 4, but again, I'm not a Metroid fan (but to be cheeky, sales-wise, most people also aren't huge Metroid fans lol).

That's my honest answer, but I'm just one guy.

@zlobnicazelda I think Ocarina of Time remake gets brought up because of how well the FFVII remake trilogy (so far) and RE4 remake turned out. Square Enix and Capcom can pull off revisiting these extremely iconic classics with significant changes and the end result being very positively received so people start to imagine what Nintendo could do with stuff like OoT and Super Metroid.

@rallydefault
I think you're overthinking it. We're talking about a new platform, we all know how we behave when a new console comes out. There's a dance we do on either side of picking up the new hardware. Before we inevitably buy it we look at the promise of the new platform and decide whether or not we're picking it up. So for Switch it was like, BotW on day 1, portable HD console, new 3D Mario on the horizon, Mario Kart 8 being ported. The more stuff there is the easier it is for us to justify picking it up

Metroid Prime 4, regardless of how much we want to downplay it, is a thing. We can say it's not Mario or Zelda and it'll only move maybe 4mill units? I mean cool. But that's still a fairly substantial release. That's still Fire Emblem, Kirby, Mario Sports title, Warriors game tier. The first year of the Switch was Kart, Zelda, 3D Mario, Splatoon, 1-2 Switch, Arms, Xenoblade, Mario + Rabbids, Pokken Tournament. Most of those titles are still less than Metroid tier. Surely an equivalent lineup for Switch 2 would have space for 3D Mario, Mario Kart AND Metroid

The second side of that dance? When you pick up the hardware and have it in your hands you buy stuffs you otherwise wouldn't. You want to try out the new hardware. If there are only a handful of games at launch that truly take advantage of the Switch 2 hardware? If I'm buying the hardware on day 1 I'm probably picking up a couple of those games

If Metroid Prime 4 is one of the key titles that takes advantage of the Switch 2 hardware early on? I probably pick it up to see what the Switch 2 can do. Not unlike how I grabbed the 3DS port of Rayman 2 when I picked up a 3DS a couple of weeks before Ocarina of Time 3D released. But if it's a late Switch title? I mean maybe I pick it up. But it's not like I have a shortage of options on Switch. Maybe Metroid Prime 4 launches and I decide that Switch 2 is coming out soon so maybe I just clear out my backlog? Maybe there's a good sale and I grab some titles I skipped?

So yeah.... I just don't see the logic for putting a title like Metroid Prime 4 on this side of the Switch 2 launch. It just doesn't make sense to me. B-tier Nintendo title is still B-tier Nintendo title. It's far more valuable as a marketing vehicle for Switch 2. I mean maybe I'm wrong but, yeah, I just don't see it. Leave holiday 2024 to a port of a GC/Wii title and yet another Pokemon or Kirby game. Or something truly C-Tier Nintendo like Punchout or Wario Land

@skywake How dare you, sir. PunchOut was one of my fave games! C-tier pssh.

Hopefully a direct soon where Nintendo Announces the Switch Successor, it’s been way too quiet lately for me…not much big news or anything

There is no successor. Its why there is silence. Ninty knows what they are doing. Dont fall for it.

The switch is a trojan horse that has infiltrated everywhere. Its real purpose is evil.

The powers that be plan to lock us all down in our homes and keep us distracted with the switch. At which point is revealed to be the ultimate device for streaming games and films. At that point youll also get all the missing features the switch lacks. Notice how all the adverts for it since 2020 show people alone in their rooms playing switch???? Connedt the dots.

Wow triple post...