Topic: Anyone else a bit unhappy with backwards compatibility?

@JaxonH Where did you find a 2 TB microSD express card? I've only seen the Lexar 1TB one.

@dmcc0 I assume you would also argue that there was no reason for Nintendo to add markers on the map for the collectibles you've already found in Mario Kart World. Why do that? If you wanna know whether or not you found a collectible, just find a guide online with a list of all the locations and check each one one at a time. The info is already there.

Why make things more convenient for people with software? What a stupid idea.

@topsekret Not really sure why you're getting all bent out of shape with me here, but I guess angry internet commenter is par for the course these days 🤷‍♂️ As I said, I'm not arguing either way, just saying that I can understand why they've done it (or not done it). No idea what the relevance of MKW collectibles is in this context either.

Why assign resources to build/maintain a website presenting data that you already have elsewhere, that relatively few people might actually uses? What a stupid Idea.

Switch 1 games will always look worse on a 4K TV because the lower pixel density for the 1080p or less upscale. I'm going to buy myself a 1080p TV specifically for Switch 1 games, I've already got a flagship 4K TV where Switch 2 games look great.

@dmcc0 Nah, but you seem to be getting bent out of shape by resorting to mimicking me.

I just think it's dumb that you're defending Nintendo for not adding a feature that I, and many other hardcore collectors, would find helpful.

Your comment basically amounts to, "well I don't need that, so it makes sense why Nintendo wouldn't do that." I just find that annoying and it comes across as you defending Nintendo for not implementing a feature that I expressed interest in. It would be more agreeable if you said something like, "personally, I don't really need that feature since I don't have that many games, but I can see why it would be helpful for people that do."

Allow me to explain the connection to Mario Kart World in further detail.

Mario Kart World launched without the ability to track which collectibles you already found in a meaningful way. The game has 3 major collectibles: Peach Medallions, P-Switches, and ?-Panels. For Peach Medallions and P-Switches, they only showed you the total number of how many you had, but no indication about specifically which ones you already found. For the ?-Panels, they did better by showing you how many within a given region you found. People were especially annoyed with the Peach Medallions and P-Switches since it was difficult to mentally keep track of which ones you've already found, which would be useful cause it could give you ideas about where to look for new collectibles. Sure, if you physically found a collectable that you previously collected, the game would visually distinguish between them (Peach Medallions you've already collected are rendered with a blue, semi-transparent effect, and P-Switchs you've already completed are darkly tinted). So while one can argue that yes, the game does already keep track of this data, you just have to find it again, doing this is incredibly tedious. If the data is already there, why can't Nintendo just aggregate it and present it in another way that players would find helpful?

Taking this back to Switch 1 game backwards compatibility status, yes, the status of each individual game is already listed on each individual game's eShop page. However, many hardcore Switch fans have dozens or even hundreds of Switch games. If they are interested to know which of their games have issues, they can manually search each game one at a time on Nintendo's website, but this is a slow, tedious process. Nintendo already has the data, why can't they just aggregate it and display it in another way that would be helpful for consumers? If I could see a list of games with issues, I could quickly identify which of those I own or am interested in. If they also allowed you to sort this list by date added, then it would be easy to stay up to date when new issues are discovered.

Doing this is a trivial amount of work for a multi-billion dollar corporation. It is a very reasonable feature request.

@topsekret Not to mention, Valve already does this on Steam for Steam Deck, and also any users of Proton on any Linux distro in general (their solution to play Windows game on Linux), all for free.

@OmnitronVariant Thank you! It seems like such an obvious feature. And Nintendo literally was doing this earlier in the year (in a somewhat archaic way with the static PDF files instead of a dynamic webpage), and then they just...stopped for no apparent reason.

Though the cynic in me thinks maybe they stopped hosting a central list because they don't really want people to actively be aware of all the games with issues since it makes them look bad. But on the flip side, having the outdated list out there floating around also makes them look bad since several of the games that the list claims are broken have since been fixed. It doesn't make any sense.

@dmcc0

For someone not arguing for or against this, you sure like arguing why it makes sense that Nintendo doesn't implement this feature.

There are people outside of hardcore collectors that would find this helpful. But there's really no point in debating this point as neither of use have concrete data for how many people would find this helpful. But I'm sure more people would find this feature helpful than there are people that find the existing Nintendo.com games filter for "defend your territory" helpful. I'm not sure if you read my previous comment to the other user, but literally all Nintendo has to do to implement my request is add a new filter to their existing Nintendo.com store functionality.

Awesome, always cool to meet a fellow collector!

Again, not sure if you read my post to the other user, but this is the same case with the wishlist feature. On Switch 1, you can't filter it to only include games on your wishlist that are on sale, forcing you to scroll through the entire list if you wanna see every game on your wishlist that's on sale, which is pretty tedious. Is it necessary for Nintendo to add the ability to filter this to only include games on sale? No, cause the information is there, it's just slow to extract the information that you need. But despite this, Nintendo did add the ability to filter your wishlist to only show games on sale on the Switch 2 eShop. Just because something isn't strictly necessary, doesn't mean it isn't worth implementing.

I have a few use cases for the BC list feature:
1. It would save me hours of time to manually enter each of the 600-700 games in my collection.
2. If new issues with games in my collection are discovered, I'd never know unless I wasted hours manually searching their website for each game in my collection one at a time all over again.
3. In general, having quick, reliable access to this information gives me peace of mind and comfort investing in Nintendo's ecosystem knowing that they are on top of BC issues and actively working on fixing them. Bonus points if I can regularly see that list get whittled down over time.
4. It helps inform whether or not it is worth investing in a new Switch 1. My current Switch 1 is on its last legs (fan is starting to crap out). Depending on which or how many of the games I own have issues on Switch 2, I'd potentially be interested in purchasing a new Switch 1 to ensure I have a means to play them if Nintendo never ends up resolving the issues. (I better not say this too loud or Nintendo will have a monetary incentive to not fix BC issues lol.)

Again, not sure if you read the message to the other user, but it literally is just a new filter on Nintendo.com. If they can add a filter for "quick decision making" (yes, that's a real filter they have), they can add filters for "BC issues on Switch 2" and "no BC issues on Switch 2." This is objectively trivial from an engineering standpoint.

(Btw, thanks for teaching me how to use the proper Nintendo Life feature to quote another user. Also, no hard feelings, I think we are starting to reach an understanding. I recognize that my initial response to you may have been unnecessarily abrasive due to me potentially misreading your intent.)

@topsekret
I'm not going to responded to the majority of your post, as we're kinda going round in circles here, but this bit caught my eye as just how little I think this would be used...

1) You're obviously not a typical Switch user with that amount of games, but surely this would be a one-and-done check? See how many of your games have issues playing on Switch 2 and then...what? I read somewhere it's less than 2.5% overall that have issues, so statistically less than 20 in your case, although you might be unlucky and have more. You might go back to check periodically but, realistically, if you're wanting to play one of those specific games, it's just as quick to check the eShop, especially if you are using the console anyway.
2) So you've decided you want to play something. You pick up your Switch 2, but before you start the game, you're going to go to an external website on your phone or whatever to check if it's had newly-discovered issues? Surely just a quick visit to the eShop to search for the game is much more efficient in this case?
3) They don't care, you've clearly already invested plenty - are you investing more if they add this feature?
4) Replace the fan?😆 Seriously though, people with collections in the 100s are are pretty small sub-set of users, those with "mega-collections" looking to buy a replacement Switch just to play a game that's incompatible with Switch 2 is likely an even smaller sub-set of users.

Unless Nintendo think it's going to make them money, they're not going to do it. They've obviously decided (for now at least) that the amount of people using it isn't worth the effort to implement it. Who knows, they might do it in the future if they think it's worthwhile and enough people ask for it. Also, its amazing how many times seemingly simple changes in software have the unintended consequence of breaking other stuff. It's entirely possible that they've tried to implement it, but it broke something else so they decided not to bother, although I suspect its more likely that there's just no value in it for them to do it.

I suspect Nintendo wouldn't do that because it highlights that they have games with issues in a slightly too front and center way.

Not sure why they don't just keep their pdf updated consistently since that already exists and would be easy — maybe just bad coordination or maybe they decided the eshop method is good enough. And the eshop method probably is good enough for people with 10 or 20 games... those of us with hundreds of games tend to be an afterthought (think of how long it took to even get folders).

I think it's important to remember the online vocal crowd like us are in fact a minority in the market that feels like it's far more representative than it actually is.

@topsekret
What are you even talking about? Nintendo is a huge company that wants to make money - I hate them lol

I couldn’t care less about the eshop wishlist or whatever because I don’t use it. That’s what I would have said to you then, and that’s what I’m saying now.

You wanna know if a Switch 1 game will work? Put it in your system or load it up and find out.

We're probably a minority of a minority too. The vocal internet fans are mostly on social media sites and not on Internet Forums.

@dmcc0 @rallydefault

Hey, at least we all agree on something: Nintendo doesn't give a s*** about us. They just wanna make money.

But as someone who works in the field, I stand by the fact that adding a new filter to the dozens of existing filters on Nintendo.com is a trivial task for an engineer and no one can convince me otherwise.

Yeah, that's my cynical take as well.

Hopefully a 3rd party like Deku Deals can add that feature to their site since Nintendo won't do it.

Yo guys, check it out. I was this close to writing my own app to scrape the info from Nintendo's website, but it looks like someone beat me to it (link)! Assuming it's correct, the list is actually smaller than I thought it would be. But as we know, there are some games with issues that Nintendo falsely claims have no issues on the eShop.

I still might make my own app for fun to double check against this site and so I can tailor it to just games in my collection and on my wishlist.

EDIT: After some further testing, it appears this webapp only checks for the status of games listed in Nintendo's original list in the PDF files. It does not comprehensively check each game on the eShop. As proof, you can see that the app does not contain Xenoblade X, which had a compatibility issue discovered and marked on Nintendo's website fairly recently. Guess I should just make my own app.