In no order: The World Ends with You (just plain awesome, and original) any Tales of game (addicting as hell) Pokemon (been playing those for as long as I can remember, and I'm 21 lol) Fire Emblem (same reason as Tales of) Btw does InFamous count? If it does then that too.
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Dragon Age: Origins Elder Scrolls: Morrowind Elder Scrolls: Oblivion Baldur's Gate 1 & 2 Planescape: Torment Deus Ex Mass Effect
I'm not counting JRPGs, SRPGs or anything else. Not because they're bad games (I actually love a lot of them), but they're not real RPGs (In that an CRPG, when true to form, resembles the philosophy first layed down by the Pen and Paper RPGs, pioneered by the likes of Gary Gygax and Monte Cook).
Dragon Age: Origins Elder Scrolls: Morrowind Elder Scrolls: Oblivion Baldur's Gate 1 & 2 Planescape: Torment Deus Ex Mass Effect
I'm not counting JRPGs, SRPGs or anything else. Not because they're bad games (I actually love a lot of them), but they're not real RPGs (In that an CRPG, when true to form, resembles the philosophy first layed down by the Pen and Paper RPGs, pioneered by the likes of Gary Gygax and Monte Cook).
At least you listed some good ones, although I can't say I've enjoyed any of them.
Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy X are probably my favorite RPGs, but I also really enjoy Pokemon, Dragon Quest IX, and I liked Final Fantasy IX until my memory card corrupted.
Dragon Age: Origins Elder Scrolls: Morrowind Elder Scrolls: Oblivion Baldur's Gate 1 & 2 Planescape: Torment Deus Ex Mass Effect
I'm not counting JRPGs, SRPGs or anything else. Not because they're bad games (I actually love a lot of them), but they're not real RPGs (In that an CRPG, when true to form, resembles the philosophy first layed down by the Pen and Paper RPGs, pioneered by the likes of Gary Gygax and Monte Cook).
At least you listed some good ones, although I can't say I've enjoyed any of them.
How is it possible not to have enjoyed Morrowind or Dragon Age (the others are aged or more niche, but those two are pretty much the pedestal of genuine RPG design)? I'm assuming you have played both of them (from the start) for longer than 10 hours, right?
I will say this: One thing that upsets me about people that go "I didn't like that RPG," is that a lot of the time that assessment is made before even really playing the RPG. Until you're 10 hours in (and in some cases - FFXIII - even longer), you've got no real idea how the game is even going to work. The first 10 hours set up the story, the characters, and give you a basic introduction to the gameplay. Nothing good happens in that time.
RPGs are a different beast to platformers, or music games, or fighters - You can basically figure out whether you're going to enjoy The New Super Mario Brothers in an hour, because it's a game that's been set up for instant gratification. RPGs, on the other hand, are slow burners.
It's fair enough to say "that RPG didn't really grab my attention, so I didn't play much of it" - and given that Dragon Age Origins is a very adult and dark game, so it takes some digging to really appreciate how the game works, and Morrowind is downright ugly on the eyes and also takes some time to realise where the brilliance lies, that's fair enough, but to say you didn't "enjoy" them? I doubt you played either long enough to determine that.
Edit: I should say - I don't mean to attack or accuse or anything. This is just something I've seen happen a lot with RPGs in general with many, many people, but especially western RPGs. A similar story with the GTA games. People drive around for 10 minutes then go "this sucks," when really any open world game needs 10-15 hours play before you can properly form an opinion on the quality of the game (and invariably people that spend that length of time do realise they're good games).
No, I did not play those games for 10 hours each, and I'll assert that that's a very unfair number to ask of people. I played them for about 2-3 hours each, which is usually enough time for me to determine whether or not a game is for me. That number has only been wrong once, and I mean once, and I don't see why I need to spend more time than I have to with a game I'm not even enjoying. That's not entertainment, that's a chore.
Oh, and just to clarify, that ONE game was Star Ocean: Till the End of Time. The beginning of it was great, but by the 30 hour mark, it was one of the most tedious, bland, and forgettable games I've ever wasted my time with.
No, I did not play those games for 10 hours each, and I'll assert that that's a very unfair number to ask of people. I played them for about 2-3 hours each, which is usually enough time for me to determine whether or not a game is for me. That number has only been wrong once, and I mean once, and I don't see why I need to spend more time than I have to with a game I'm not even enjoying. That's not entertainment, that's a chore.
Oh, and just to clarify, that ONE game was Star Ocean: Till the End of Time. The beginning of it was great, but by the 30 hour mark, it was one of the most tedious, bland, and forgettable games I've ever wasted my time with.
As I said - it's fair enough to say "the game didn't grab me," based on that, but you're not really in any position to be making an assesment on the game's actual quality based on that playtime. I wasn't really criticising you - you said as much in your original post - but rather your comment reminded me that there are a lot of people that do say crazy stuff like "Oblivion sucks," when they haven't even played through the introductary dungeon.
Dragon Age doesn't really pick up until about the 10 hour mark, where the game opens up and you're free to do whatever you like. Morrowind, ironically, doesn't pick up until around the 20 hour mark, where you've scratched the exploration itch, gotten through the early (dull) quests, and are ready to focus on a story that suddenly gets interesting.
I personally think it's very unfair to warn people away from a RPG, especially a WRPG, when you don't really know how the game works at all.
Fair enough, I suppose, but I wasn't warning people away from anything, Hell I won't even list tem in a "Least favorite games" list, because I simply don't "Get" them. I was mearly stating that I accept that they're quality games, just not my kind of games.
With that said, just because a game doesn't get great until those marks doesn't mean they're boring for those first few hours. Not for me doesn't mean they're boring, it just means that, well, they just didn't click with me. Morrowind, for example made me WISH it was more linear so I knew what they hell I was doing. Mass Effect, I just don't like Sci-fi Space Operas, so the story and lore did nothing for me. It's these things that ruin a game for me, not...whatever the hell else you'd expect. Also, I'm still trying to figure out what it is about Western games that I dislike about them. Something about their style just doesn't appeal to me the way Japanese games do.
This is too hard to put into 1 game so heres a list: Golden Sun Chrono Trigger Final Fantasy VI Arc Rise Fantasia Super Mario RPG Breath of Fire 2 I'm pretty sure these are my all time favorites. They aren't in any order
Fair enough, I suppose, but I wasn't warning people away from anything, Hell I won't even list tem in a "Least favorite games" list, because I simply don't "Get" them. I was mearly stating that I accept that they're quality games, just not my kind of games.
With that said, just because a game doesn't get great until those marks doesn't mean they're boring for those first few hours. Not for me doesn't mean they're boring, it just means that, well, they just didn't click with me. Morrowind, for example made me WISH it was more linear so I knew what they hell I was doing. Mass Effect, I just don't like Sci-fi Space Operas, so the story and lore did nothing for me. It's these things that ruin a game for me, not...whatever the hell else you'd expect. Also, I'm still trying to figure out what it is about Western games that I dislike about them. Something about their style just doesn't appeal to me the way Japanese games do.
I have a love/ hate relationship with Japanese RPGs. On the one hard, I love them - I love that the more whimsical and innocent style fantasy they have compared to the grave and gritty western style RPG - they're essentially modern fairy tales, and that sits fine with me.
On the other hand I hate that people play these things and think they're RPGs. They're really not - not by any real definition of the genre. Because of these games people call themselves "RPG fans" without ever having played D & D, or any other pen and paper RPG, and because of these games people misunderstand what the RPG genre is meant to be about.
From the sounds of it, you are more a fan of adventure games (which is what JRPGs really are), than RPGs.
It's really the media's fault. Japanese RPGs really do need to be redefined, otherwise there will be more and more people that go into the likes of Morrowind and Dragon Age, and then get disappointed because it isn't anything like a Final Fantasy.
FF4, FF6, FF7, Chrono Trigger, FF XII until about the halfway point. All sorts of oldies--haven't played a recent-gen RPG since Baten Kaitos Origins that's really gripped me except DQ IX.
I have to agree with the general "bleh on Western RPGs" sentiment...I have not ever played one that's entertained me enough to play beyond this 5-10 hour mark where they magically become fun. It has to be due to that absurdly-generic fantasy setting that damn-near all of them employ....these "open-ended" stories don't do much for me either--I'd prefer 1 well-written fleshed out story without too much deviation to 30 options that are all equally sleep-inducing.
Sure, I haven't played enough to give whatever a "true opinion" of these games should be. If anything I consider that a weakness of the games and presentation, not of my own ability to draw a conclusion. If I start watching a movie and it sucks 30 minutes in, I'm probably going to turn it off. If it got better later, too bad for me I guess. There's no shortage of other options.
FFXIII had an interesting enough setting and system of mechanics early on that I was able to still have fun despite little required thought in the battles for the first few hours. Literally as soon as the paradigm system appeared I was hooked. I've played enough RPGs where all you really do is hit "Fight" for the first few hours that it really didn't seem as horribly repetitive as most people made it out to be.
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1 & 2) Fire Emblem (GBA) 1 & 2, I would have said Advance wars First but that's a bit more fo a strategy game then a RPG...
Then its onto...
3&4) Golden Sun 1 & 2 (GBA)
5) & Golden Sun Dark Dawn for the DSi, (yeah I'm still enjoying it...) I would have put age of Empires for the DS and AoE: Mythologies but for the same reason I excluded A.W. (GBA) above
6) SMT Devil Survivor (DSi)
7) Any of the Rune Factory Series on the DS
8) Chrono Trigger (DSi) or Maybe Lost odyssey on the 360...
9) Disgaea (DSi) and onto (now this will cause controversy...
10-14) either Nostaligia or Orcs & Elves on the DSi or I could say Fallout (360) or maybe oblivion or Morrowwind in this position for the 360 but it is getting more and more difficult to dedicate time to my 360 with all the good rpgs on the DSi as of late...
Only 10 huh? for the obvious reason for the DSi being the breeding ground for decent [reads GOOD for ME] RPGs as well as strategy. The ONLY reason I switched to consoles, handheld or tabletop is because of Civilization Revolution (for 360 & DSi) as it came from my long line and log of Civilization games I was hooked on while PC- gaming... All the more reason Nintendo needs to give far more respect to 3rd party Game designers because without them, a large portion of thier hardware buyers would not be.I'm proof of that. Long Live Firaxis!!! and Sid Meier Thanks again Sid.
K guy, I'm 47! yrs old and been gaming since PONG and really enjoying this RPG age on the DSI and 360.
for for the guy who saide...<<<Will some of you older guys please post your ages in this discussion to ease my pain? >>> now will someone ease MY pain?? or at least put me out of my misery...
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