Tiger Woods is/was more than just a golfer to a large segment of his fans, and certainly to his sponsers. The image that Tiger portrayed was spotless, perfect, and precise. A pilled out, barefoot wreck of a man snoring on his lawn after crashing his SUV while fleeing an argument with his wife upon the exposition of his infidelity - with NINE (and counting) different women..., well, that's not the Tiger we knew.
Tiger Woods is/was more than just a golfer to a large segment of his fans, and certainly to his sponsers. The image that Tiger portrayed was spotless, perfect, and precise. A pilled out, barefoot wreck of a man snoring on his lawn after crashing his SUV while fleeing an argument with his wife upon the exposition of his infidelity - with NINE (and counting) different women..., well, that's not the Tiger we knew.
On the other hand, Tiger's example has now shown that, no matter how perfect and precise your public appearance may be, no matter how intelligent and skilled you are, you can easily still run off the road at any point from personal issues that were completely hidden to others. Even the greatest have a few private matters that are less than tidy, without exception.
So, the image of the perfect Tiger may have been lost, but our understanding of universal human fallibility regardless of stature might have been augmented just a tiny bit.
Or not, it's all just tabloid material now anyway.
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On the other hand, Tiger's example has now shown that, no matter how perfect and precise your public appearance may be, no matter how intelligent and skilled you are, you can easily still run off the road at any point from personal issues that were completely hidden to others. Even the greatest have a few private matters that are less than tidy, without exception.
So, the image of the perfect Tiger may have been lost, but our understanding of universal human fallibility regardless of stature might have been augmented just a tiny bit.
Or not, it's all just tabloid material now anyway.
I disagree, because if that's the case, then what's the point in trying to be better, to live better, to treat others better? "After all, we're all screwed up anyway" is a defeatist sensibility which offers no motivation to improve our lot in life.
I can't help but think how tragically close Tiger was to setting (and actually being) that example of someone who people could aspire to be for more than just his money or fame.
I wasn't try to go that far and say that having presumed great ones fall is uniformly a good thing; I agree with you on the power of his image in general (and you were quite precise in pinpointing the power of his image in marketing and endorsements, no question). I'm just pointing to the fact that there is also some value to seeing that he wasn't as impeccable as it seemed. It would be best, I suppose, if he were now to somehow gracefully acknowledge his problems, work through them, and finally emerge on top again, so that we could see the full circle: a near-perfect presentation, then the overturning whereby we see some human failings after all, then the emerging triumph whereby he humbly brings the success and his acknowledged failings together, managing to only better himself as a result.
In other words, I suppose I'd consider his image more powerful after seeing him go through something like this and emerge in even better shape than before (but a bit more humbled in some respects), rather than just watching him launch straight to stardom and stay there without any unforeseen adversities derailing his plans along the way.
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Tiger Woods is/was more than just a golfer to a large segment of his fans, and certainly to his sponsers. The image that Tiger portrayed was spotless, perfect, and precise. A pilled out, barefoot wreck of a man snoring on his lawn after crashing his SUV while fleeing an argument with his wife upon the exposition of his infidelity - with NINE (and counting) different women..., well, that's not the Tiger we knew.
Now he's just a great golfer.
I could not have said it better myself. Besides, I think his reputation was going slightly downhill before all of this.
I get your point, warioswoods, a classic redemption story is always uplifting. But the reason they're "classic" is that there are already so many of them because the fall from grace is typical to the privileged and famous.
Tiger's story already had all the feel-goodness of a guy overcoming long-standing obstacles to achieve the pinnacle of his sport, and I just think it would have been something very special (as special as it seemed, even) if that story that ended happily without him having to overcome even more and enormous obsticles which he added all on his own.
It would be nice to have just one story like that at the height and popularity he achieved.
Tiger Woods is/was more than just a golfer to a large segment of his fans, and certainly to his sponsers. The image that Tiger portrayed was spotless, perfect, and precise. A pilled out, barefoot wreck of a man snoring on his lawn after crashing his SUV while fleeing an argument with his wife upon the exposition of his infidelity - with NINE (and counting) different women..., well, that's not the Tiger we knew.
Now he's just a great golfer.
Not necessarily. Alternative scenario - a good man in a very unhappy marriage. Explains the cheating, the selfdestructive behaviour and the brain snap.
Of course THAT scenario can never be considered, because a golfer is not allowed to be human in the media.
I've lost no respect for Tiger, as a sportsperson or human being. And the image he portrays to me has lost none of the luster that it had previously. He still strikes me as a perfect gentleman, which is more than can be said about your typical basketballer, footballer, or the Australian cricket team.
Tiger Woods is/was more than just a golfer to a large segment of his fans, and certainly to his sponsers. The image that Tiger portrayed was spotless, perfect, and precise. A pilled out, barefoot wreck of a man snoring on his lawn after crashing his SUV while fleeing an argument with his wife upon the exposition of his infidelity - with NINE (and counting) different women..., well, that's not the Tiger we knew.
Now he's just a great golfer.
Not necessarily. Alternative scenario - a good man in a very unhappy marriage. Explains the cheating, the selfdestructive behaviour and the brain snap.
Of course THAT scenario can never be considered, because a golfer is not allowed to be human in the media.
I've lost no respect for Tiger, as a sportsperson or human being. And the image he portrays to me has lost none of the luster that it had previously. He still strikes me as a perfect gentleman, which is more than can be said about your typical basketballer, footballer, or the Australian cricket team.
Ridiculous, on it's face.
An unhappy marriage may explain cheating, but it certainly does not justify it. This "perfect gentleman" should have peacfully divorced - or made other arrangements with - his wife. Of course, THAT scenario can never be considered because he wasn't a perfect gentleman.
Furthermore, pointing to alternative bad behavior of others does not mitigate bad bad behavior of the one.
Tiger Woods is/was more than just a golfer to a large segment of his fans, and certainly to his sponsers. The image that Tiger portrayed was spotless, perfect, and precise. A pilled out, barefoot wreck of a man snoring on his lawn after crashing his SUV while fleeing an argument with his wife upon the exposition of his infidelity - with NINE (and counting) different women..., well, that's not the Tiger we knew.
Now he's just a great golfer.
Not necessarily. Alternative scenario - a good man in a very unhappy marriage. Explains the cheating, the selfdestructive behaviour and the brain snap.
Of course THAT scenario can never be considered, because a golfer is not allowed to be human in the media.
I've lost no respect for Tiger, as a sportsperson or human being. And the image he portrays to me has lost none of the luster that it had previously. He still strikes me as a perfect gentleman, which is more than can be said about your typical basketballer, footballer, or the Australian cricket team.
Ridiculous, on it's face.
An unhappy marriage may explain cheating, but it certainly does not justify it. This "perfect gentleman" should have peacfully divorced - or made other arrangements with - his wife. Of course, THAT scenario can never be considered because he wasn't a perfect gentleman.
Furthermore, pointing to alternative bad behavior of others does not mitigate bad bad behavior of the one.
And I'm sorry.... who?
Define bad behaviour. That's what I was getting at. I don't see it that way. Cheating on your partner is not an indication of a bad person.
Bradman is arguably the greatest athlete, statistically, in history. He was a cricketer so far ahead of everyone else since, it's unbelievable. His cricketing skills are the equivilent of averaging 45 points a game in basketball.
...and Gatorade seems to agree. They've reportedly dropped him (20 minutes ago). Also, all ads featuring Tiger have been pulled from primetime. All in the blink of an eye.
I don't see it that way. Cheating on your partner is not an indication of a bad person.
/me re-reads that...
What? Okay then, we're in fundamental disagreement on issues much deeper than Tiger's situation.
Well, true that. Perhaps I should rephrase. While cheating on your spouse is not something the typical person will (or should) do, when it happens it also doesn't make you the devil incarnate. Whatever caused it, it was a lapse in judgement, and that's it.
...and Gatorade seems to agree. They've reportedly dropped him (20 minutes ago). Also, all ads featuring Tiger have been pulled from primetime. All in the blink of an eye.
I'm not surprised. Remember the American population is fundamentally a conservative one. No one gives a crap about this in Australia.
Tiger Woods is/was more than just a golfer to a large segment of his fans, and certainly to his sponsers. The image that Tiger portrayed was spotless, perfect, and precise. A pilled out, barefoot wreck of a man snoring on his lawn after crashing his SUV while fleeing an argument with his wife upon the exposition of his infidelity - with NINE (and counting) different women..., well, that's not the Tiger we knew.
Now he's just a great golfer.
Not necessarily. Alternative scenario - a good man in a very unhappy marriage. Explains the cheating, the selfdestructive behaviour and the brain snap.
Of course THAT scenario can never be considered, because a golfer is not allowed to be human in the media.
I've lost no respect for Tiger, as a sportsperson or human being. And the image he portrays to me has lost none of the luster that it had previously. He still strikes me as a perfect gentleman, which is more than can be said about your typical basketballer, footballer, or the Australian cricket team.
I dont see what the whole cricket team is bad, if you want something to compare it to, Cronulla Sharks.
It's like, I just love a cowboy
You know
I'm just like, I just, I know, it's bad
But I'm just like
Can I just like, hang off the back of your horse
And can you go a little faster?!
Where? There's a lot of amusing commentary about, a few million jokes and viral media, but I don't see anything about him being the worst human being on the face of the planet/ his reputation is ruined/ etc etc.
Australia produced Shane Warne, remember. We clearly understand that our athletes can both be great athletes and human beings at the same time. And somehow we still manage to respect them for it.
I dont see what the whole cricket team is bad, if you want something to compare it to, Cronulla Sharks.
The Australian cricket team behave like a bunch of ****s on the field. I find that totally unacceptable.
While cheating on your spouse is not something the typical person will (or should) do, when it happens it also doesn't make you the devil incarnate. Whatever caused it, it was a lapse in judgement, and that's it.
True at one (POSSIBLY two) occurences, but MANY lapses in judgement spread out over multiple times and multiple women, while married, gets you pretty close to "devil incarnate" imo.
The only biological reason for a species survival is to perpetuate it's species. It's all about the reproduction. However, with that being said, human beings evolved with two important things: opposable thumbs and the ability to control our emotions. Once you lose the ability to control yourself, you are only one table saw accident away from being a monkey. If you make a commitment to be with one person for the remainder of your life, then stick to that commitment. Divorce notwithstanding.
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