Topic: Coronavirus outbreak

Mask + Avoid the 3 C's to prevent spread.

Exactly. I'm not talking about never leaving the house (although never leaving unless you had to would be good). I have yet to set foot in a restaurant or a grocery store or anything since March. But we have plenty of food and groceries because we do drive-thrus and call-ahead or mobile ordering where the store people bring our groceries out to us and put it in the car and we never have contact with them. People still keep their jobs and earn money, people still have food, it all works. I would even think in this day and age where people love using the internet and phones for everything and avoiding human contact normally that they would appreciate this. But it's the fact that they are told to avoid human contact that they push back against. They are being rebels just for the sake of being rebels, even though they would probably like it better the way we are asking.

@Dezzy Imagine making and maintaining hundreds of little private retirement homes with emergency equipment and medical staff.

Not to mention, even if they somehow managed to keep everyone healthy and alive (which would be impossible), the psychological damage and human rights violations would still be a thing.

It's simply impossible to have that level of control and power without becoming the next Wolfenstein villain by the end.

As they say, the path to hell is paved with good intentions. In this case though, the idea is just transparently terrible from every angle- there not many ways to think about it that would make it a good idea in the long run.

@Eel

Well I'm not talking about creating new retirement homes. I mean the ones that already exist would simply follow a kind of internal segregation policy. That's really not such a big endeavour when you take into account how immobile a lot of their residents are.

I'm not sure what human rights would be violated exactly? Not that any country particularly cares about "human rights" anyway. We care about the rights protected in our own laws, that's all. Some countries add new rights, like the right to bear arms. Plenty of others remove key rights, like the right to free speech. There's not much consensus on those kinds of areas.

@Dezzy unless the plan changed overnight, your original post asked:

Has anyone heard a good counter-argument to the idea that we should've just segregated everyone over a certain age (65 maybe) and told everyone else to continue as normal?

Are you assuming everyone over the age of 65 is already (or is open to the idea of) living in a retirement home, and that there's enough of them in the world to hold everyone over that age, with strict social distancing and isolation measurements?

What your original post implies, is to forcefully remove every person over the age of 65 from their families and homes and keeping them in an imposed "retirement home".

@Dezzy I think you're underestimating how mobile old people are, if the plan is anyone over the age of 65 then that would include for example Trump and Biden, I doubt they would be happy to be segregated like that when they are meant to be running the country. I recently watched Brian Blessed who is in his 80s talk about how he bench presses 300lbs and runs 5 miles.

There's plenty of people over 65 actively working and also a large amount of them are active voters, so any politician would likely get their wrath in the next round of votes for trying to force them to stay at the retirement camps.

I'd say the vast majority of people in their 60's and 70's are still perfectly functional human beings.

@Eel

No, I wasn't assuming that, or implying that either.

You can self-segregate wherever you happen to live. Obviously if you have multiple generations living in the same household, you'll need to make certain exceptions or workarounds in that case. In countries where that's incredibly common (like India), this approach would obviously fall apart.

But both my parents are over 65 for example, and they've deliberately avoided seeing anyone else except other close family members. The approach we've used is to make it so anyone who regularly goes out in public (and therefore might have the virus) just meets my parents in outdoor situations with extreme social distancing. So we'll have these weird looking family get-togethers where we're walking down the local canal with me and my brother walking about 3 metres away from our parents. Or sitting outside a cafe to eat, but we'll sit on different benches several metres away from them.

@Dezzy I know what you mean Very much looking forward to a vaccine.

@Xyphon22 How exactly do you think the food stuffs get to the store or drive thrus that you're using? Remember all those meat processing facilities that had numerous cases? They wouldn't have had to be at work if people didn't eat. I know what you and Octane are saying, and it really comes down to using sound precautions and risk mitigation. I.E., washing your hands, covering your nose and mouth, and keep to your own personal space. Things that people should have been doing since they were a child in order to remain sanitary. I agree one hundred percent. Some folks just have more ridiculous ideas.
"China shut a city down and did great"
"Force people over 65 off to the soylent green homes"
"drink water ever 15 minutes"
"If you don't have symptoms, you're not sick"

When I said immobile I was talking specifically about people in care homes. Not everyone over 65. My granddad was still travelling across the world at age 85.

Trump and Biden should probably both be in care homes though.

I'm a nurse and it's just incredible how many ignorant people are out there. From my own experience arguing with families about this and having patients tell me I don't know what I'm talking about and then turning down the hall and dealing with someone DYING of Covid is just insane. It makes me want to quit my job every day. The government is making our jobs more difficult by feeding lies and false information to the people and it spreads like wildfire. I have people telling me it's the 5G towers, that the vaccines will have nanites that will control your brains. That Bill Gates created Covid to profit off of vaccines. Some times I go home and cry to my wife who is also a nurse.

Wear the masks. Period. I can do it for 12 hours a day WITH asthma, neckbeard Johnny and mid-life crisis Karen can do it for 30 minutes in a store. If it's hard for you to breathe in a mask you either need to get something with thinner material or get something with a carbon filter. It also takes endurance training, trust me, during nursing school I thought I was going to die in a mask. Also, stop wearing gloves in public. Our government has NO information on proper PPE training. You have to change your gloves literally after you touch something. People will use their phones, wipe their hair, touch everything in the store and think they're safe. They're spreading it more that way. Use hand sanitizer often, and it's readily available now. I'm seeing it in the dollar store. Wash your cloth masks daily and throw away disposables after 2 hours of use. If you don't you're literally just as bad as the people not wearing one. With all the misinformation at this point masks are just a social courtesy and aren't really stopping it as much because you have swaths of people refusing to use one and having "covid parties" and "anti-mask rallies". These are just scared ignorant people who can't or won't understand what's going on. I took micro-biology so I know what's going on, but the vast majority haven't. The government seriously sucks and we now know at least the US can not handle a national crisis ever.

I'm a nurse, but a hardcore gamer at heart and I love how the gaming community is mostly sane on this issue, but sorry for the rant.

@ivory_soul Yeah, this business with anti-knowledge, and preference for disinformation is a serious problem. I have to battle disinformation with my parents so often, it's crazy. They prefer chain email forwards for their info. They haven't been in school since the late 60's, and think my Bio major is just some phony nonsense. It's absolutely astonishing how much they don't want to actually learn.

My dad's sister is a doctor. Her two kids are doctors. My parents could ask them anything, any time, but nope. Email forwards and talk radio.

I'm really looking forward to some vaccines!! **crossing fingers**

@Octane Ah, don't worry about it. Grand Cheeto said it would jut go away magically anyway. Huzzah!

I wanted to find a way to cut myself off and play it safe when I got back to the US, but within seconds of arriving, all my family just said to hell with it and hugged me before I could even suggest not to... So, there's that.

@Heavyarms55 Ouch. Try to stay save regardless. I hope you're not in one of the bad areas in the US.

@Heavyarms55 They probably think like my mom. She is 68, has a history of pneumonia, and her immune system is weak after the shock of my dad dying in early March (not from COVID), so she has been extra careful to isolate and stay safe. But to her, "family germs" don't count. We currently live in Tennessee, one of the worst states for it, but we are originally from Las Vegas, one of the few places that is probably even worse. Despite that, my brother decided to take his entire 9-person family on an airplane to go on vacation back to Vegas and California a couple of weeks ago. We vowed to stay away from them for at least 2 weeks after they got back, but my mom was having dinner with (some of) them and riding in cars for hours within a week at most. Because "family germs." Gotta love it.

@Xyphon22 Some people are just willing to take the risks. :/

@Octane will do sir.

Blood clots. I think I have one.

I started feeling sudden throbbing pain in my left forearm, The kind where you start shaking your arm and slapping it to make it go away, and then it would go away 10 minutes later or so. Then it would happen again in my other arm the next day. Then again in my left arm yesterday, only that time it also brought about some lightheadedness, and although the arm pain went away 30 min later, the lightheadedness has not entirely gone away since.

Now I took today off work, But I’m very hesitant to go to urgent care because I have a phobia of going to doctors and learning of something seriously wrong with you. If I sit down it kind of goes away but if I get up and walk even for a minute I kind of start feeling lightheaded again.

I’m no doctor but the only thing that seems to line up with these symptoms is a blood clot or plaque buildup that broke loose. And now I’m reading there’s a high correlation between people who have contracted coronavirus and blood clots. I didn’t know about this until today when I was reading up on it – I had already determined blood clot was my suspicion before reading those reports. The reports just reinforced what I already suspected.

Has anyone ever felt these kinds of symptoms? I’ve been over Covid for... probably two months now, maybe one month, it’s hard to recall. And most of the reports cited correlation with extreme cases, and not only extreme cases but extreme cases while they were still sick. I had a mild case and I’ve been over it for sometime but I find it incredibly coincidental. And maybe it is coincidence- it’s difficult to ascertain the probability of developing such a condition by random chance two months after contracting the disease from a pandemic which is now known to highly correlate with that very condition. There’s also the fact I drink coffee all day long and never water- dehydration can contribute to thicker blood which can lead to clotting, so that may be a contributing factor.

Started taking aspirin, 325mg daily 3 days ago. Also started taking the vitamin C and D, Quercetin and EGCg since I figured it can’t hurt, and I had it left over from Covid. But I ordered some Nattokinase, Bromelain, Ginkgo Biloba and Omega-3 fish oil. I also ate a full piece of garlic (shown to dissolve blood clots) and some Turmeric, a spice which is shown to prevent clots. I also started drinking lots of water.

Most of the herbal remedies are shown to help prevent, not necessarily treat. With that said the research I’ve seen shows the doctors often prescribed anti-coagulants such as Warfarin which don’t actually break down the clots but do prevent them from getting bigger and prevents other clots from forming, which gives your body time to break down the clot naturally. There are a class of drugs that can actually dissolve the clots but they are typically reserved for emergencies. I don’t know if I even have a clot but assuming I do, I don’t know how serious it is. But I figured I would ask just in case anyone else has ever dealt with something like this.

@JaxonH None of us here are medical specialists AFAIK, so visit a doctor ASAP. Blood clots can be life threatening if they end up in vital organs.

Did you end up getting tested positive in the end?

Also make sure that all the meds you're taking don't cause adverse reactions when combining them, because that's quite a list you've got there.

@JaxonH I second Octane, you need to seek medical attention. The symptoms you describe can also be shared with stroke, vertigo, and vestibular issues. You really need to see a physician.
A blood clot can lead to death within as little as an hour, depending on location. It can also lead to nerve, muscle, and arterial damage if left untreated.

Seek medical attention.