Do you mean the most successful thing since the Wii? In which case there's only been the 3DS and Wii U. People are getting carried away by how the 3DS is outselling the Vita
The Vita has nothing to do with this, so take that to some other forum. I wasnt getting carried away either, I just made the logical conclusion that the 3DS is the most successful hardware they have right now since their smash Wii success, with the WiiU performing poorly, and that they are not about to replace that.
Replacement is done when it makes the most sense, when momentum has slowed down, do you really think after such strong year the 3DS is losing momentum ? No, I didnt think so. Like I said, the fact that Nintendo is working on the successor is just common business as this takes years of effort, it has nothing to so with the 3DS commercial performance nor with the desire to prematurely replace it.
Also get your facts straight before accusing people of getting carried away, for example the 3DS sales are since this summer well ahead of the DS at the same point in it's life. It seems some people are getting carried away into minimising a product's performance. Getting some deja-vu sensation from an earlier post I read about you when you minimised the 3DS software line-up of 2013 while nearly everyone and their mother recognise it as a very strong year. Got some agenda or allergic reaction against 3DS success, momentum or just positivism ?
An agenda? I'm just stating facts. The 3DS is behind the DS at the same stage in their life cycles . After 3 years it was on 65 million sold. The 3DS was at 35 million after two and a half years . You say it has great momentum, but it's sales are slowing. It did 15 million in 2011, 14 million in 2012, and was at 5 million for 2013 at the end of quarter 3. Too many people see that it's the best selling console of the month or of the year and utterly ignore the fact it's only competition is a couple of 8 year old consoles or a couple of consoles that launched with a month left in the year.
I agreed the 3DS had a strong year, but felt the PS3 had more games I enjoyed. It was a thread where people were listing their favourite games, and I included all the big stuff but Monster Hunter and a Etrian Odyssey are just not my thing. Is it really such a crazy concept? Zelda and Fire Emblem are the only 3DS games being mention in GOTY discussions when on the PS3 Bioshock Infinite, Tomb Raider, The Last of Us and GTA V are in almost every list, with the latter two winning the vast majority. I thought the 3DS had a great year, but just felt PS3 was better for me.
An agenda? I'm just stating facts. The 3DS is behind the DS at the same stage in their life cycles . After 3 years it was on 65 million sold. The 3DS was at 35 million after two and a half years . You say it has great momentum, but it's sales are slowing. It did 15 million in 2011, 14 million in 2012, and was at 5 million for 2013 at the end of quarter 3. Too many people see that it's the best selling console of the month or of the year and utterly ignore the fact it's only competition is a couple of 8 year old consoles or a couple of consoles that launched with a month left in the year.
I agreed the 3DS had a strong year, but felt the PS3 had more games I enjoyed. It was a thread where people were listing their favourite games, and I included all the big stuff but Monster Hunter and a Etrian Odyssey are just not my thing. Is it really such a crazy concept? Zelda and Fire Emblem are the only 3DS games being mention in GOTY discussions when on the PS3 Bioshock Infinite, Tomb Raider, The Last of Us and GTA V are in almost every list, with the latter two winning the vast majority. I thought the 3DS had a great year, but just felt PS3 was better for me.
Hate to fuel the fire, but ... everyone has an opinion. I can't stand any of the PS3 titles, it's why I went back to Nintendo only purchases, actually. The fact of the matter is that nothing will ever appeal to everyone, and everything will also offend someone, somewhere, at some time. Just looking at your post it is clear to see your own personal bias, and I will first admit that I have my own bias as well. The key being that you failed to mention Pokemon, the strongest franchise that has been Nintendo exclusive, ignoring the copycats, for a long time. Pokemon is also consistently growing it's fan base.
Sure, lots of people liked GTA V, but how many were willing to actually spend the money on it? Pirated and used copies are not counted in determining how strong something is for many reasons. So just because "it's on everyone's list" does not make it a strong product. Also, your comparison to the DS is bunk, sales figures for the DS and Wii were so bad that the president of Nintendo had to cut his own salary in half.
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Um of course there was personal bias, it was our favourite games of the year. I'm not sure why you're using sales as a metric for quality considering one of my 3DS picks was Bravely Default which has utterly bombed sales wise. GTA V has sold over 30 million copies, so not sure why you want to make this about sales? I was referring to the fact I it's on pretty much every gaming website's GOTY list, and you say that's not proof it's been well received? The highest rated meta critic of the year? Look, I'm not saying it's better than Pokemon or everyone should like it, but the idea of someone picking GTA V as one of the best games of the year is quite normal.
And your links are all about the very early days. We all know the DS struggled at first (the Wii never did however, it was practically sold out for 3 years straight), but that had all changed by now with the DS Lite. It was on 65 million sold 3 years after it's launch, while the 3DS is some way short of that. That number is a fact.
Too many people see that it's the best selling console of the month or of the year and utterly ignore the fact it's only competition is a couple of 8 year old consoles.
Too many people are fantasising about what other people think, you being in the first row. And who is ignoring what facts, you totally ignore the competition of mobile gaming, an aspect of which just about any industry analyst or executive points out as serious competition on many levels. And thats not from just the "sold units" perspective. Competition the DS didn't have, the list goes on and on on how the DS market and economic circumstances were very different compared to the 3DS. The rest of your contributions are comparing apples with oranges,
Um of course there was personal bias, it was our favourite games of the year. I'm not sure why you're using sales as a metric for quality considering one of my 3DS picks was Bravely Default which has utterly bombed sales wise. GTA V has sold over 30 million copies, so not sure why you want to make this about sales? I was referring to the fact I it's on pretty much every gaming website's GOTY list, and you say that's not proof it's been well received? The highest rated meta critic of the year? Look, I'm not saying it's better than Pokemon or everyone should like it, but the idea of someone picking GTA V as one of the best games of the year is quite normal.
And your links are all about the very early days. We all know the DS struggled at first (the Wii never did however, it was practically sold out for 3 years straight), but that had all changed by now with the DS Lite. It was on 65 million sold 3 years after it's launch, while the 3DS is some way short of that. That number is a fact.
Sales are the only stable and accurate measure of how popular something is. If you have a problem with that, then tell your GTA "fans" and trolls to actually buy the game.
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Do you mean the most successful thing since the Wii? In which case there's only been the 3DS and Wii U. People are getting carried away by how the 3DS is outselling the Vita
Got some agenda or allergic reaction against 3DS success, momentum or just positivism ?
I think you mean a different word. If you look up positivism, you'll discover you may, in fact, be the one who's allergic to it.
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Too many people see that it's the best selling console of the month or of the year and utterly ignore the fact it's only competition is a couple of 8 year old consoles.
Too many people are fantasising about what other people think, you being in the first row. And who is ignoring what facts, you totally ignore the competition of mobile gaming, an aspect of which just about any industry analyst or executive points out as serious competition on many levels. And thats not from just the "sold units" perspective. Competition the DS didn't have, the list goes on and on on how the DS market and economic circumstances were very different compared to the 3DS. The rest of your contributions are comparing apples with oranges,
Where have I ignored the impact of mobile? That's exactly why the 3DS numbers are down. Between the DS and the PSP there were over 230 million handhelds sold last gen, and currently this gen has sold about 50 million. It's most posters on here that refuse to believe this. Just look at NLife's weekly Media Create chart, and look at all the comments going "So much for mobile games eating into the handheld market".
You seem to be under the impression I've said the 3DS figures are down because it sucks as a console. I love my 3DS. The lower sales are not a criticism of how it's been handled. Quite frankly I'm not sure Nintendo could have possibly handled it any better, but the fact remains, it's going to sell a lot less that their previous handhelds.
Again, in that other thread, I said there were more games on the PS3 that I loved this year than the 3DS. I did not say PS3 rules, 3DS sucks! I did not say PS3 was clearly the best and everyone should feel the same as me. I enjoyed a lot of 3DS games last year, there were just a few more on the PS3 for me.
What part did I miss in your "utterly ignore the fact it's only competition is a couple of 8 year old consoles", you got a different understanding on the meaning of the word "only"? I simply responded back that you are leaving out important facts in your argumentation.
Anyway, the essence of this thread is about Nintendo working on the successor and the fact that the OP puts this in an alarming daylight, notice the "??!!!". I think it's business as usual because these devices take a lot if time from concept, design, prototyping to final design and manufacturing. You on the other hand were projecting 3DS sales and commercial performance into the mix, sort of creating the belief that Nintendo is prematurely working on the successor. I don't agree and will leave it at that.
The Nintendo 3DS came out in 2011, so it makes sense for the R&D to already be designing the next handheld. It's pretty much what every console and handheld manufacturer does...always have to be ready, and test your designs.
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Anyway, the essence of this thread is about Nintendo working on the successor and the fact that the OP puts this in an alarming daylight, notice the "??!!!". I think it's business as usual because these devices take a lot if time from concept, design, prototyping to final design and manufacturing. You on the other hand were projecting 3DS sales and commercial performance into the mix, sort of creating the belief that Nintendo is prematurely working on the successor. I don't agree and will leave it at that.
If Nintendo was not working on a new system right now, then I'd be worried.
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