Topic: Is the 3DS Fighter Surge Dead?

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But they're still party fighters. But thank you for missing his point entirely so you could ramble on about nothing. Not that I'm leaving it untouched:

Lolno, Street Fighter 4 plays nothing like Tekken, which plays nothink like Blazblue, which plays nothing like Marvel vs. Capcom 3, which doesn't even really play like Street Fighter X Tekken. They are a mountain of differences between these game.

Where do I even start? Half of those games aren't even in the same genre for G-dsakes (3D games are different on the most basic levels from 2D Fighters. Especially the ones you listed. The round outs, the lack of special moves, the 3D movement, the list goes on and on), and the rest still aren't even remotely similar (Mortal Kombat is slower paced with very different combo styles and Fatalities at the end of the round. Marvel VS. Capcom is faster paced with super easy combo strings and tag gameplay. Hopefully I shouldn't have to tell you how Street Fighter plays, though it has changed a ton over the years).

Lolno, no. Street Fighter games have 6 moves at most, and not that hard compared to something like King of Fighters. Unless you mean the combos themselves? It's very hard to get off more than a few hits in at a time in Street Fighter, so still no. And 3D fighting games have no special moves, and they did that before Super Smash Bros.

Unrealistically fast? Virtua Fighter, Tekken, and Mortal Kombat say high.
And Obscure animations? What is this, 1999? Fighting games these daysare actually pretty forgiving in the number of animatons you have to pull off a move or combo, and they have been for quite a while.

Next you're gonna complain that every platformer requires you get to the end of a level to complete a level. (which would not only be silly, but actually untrue, as is also the case here. Ring outs, anyone?)

Roughly 30 moves per character, actually. I have the guide the guide book for Melee.

Jump Ultimate Stars fits the bill actually. It doesn't have ringouts, but if it did, Nintendo might sue.

Some variation in your perspective would be nicer. Just because it doesn't slap you accross the face saying "Look at me! I'm different!" doesn't mean there's no variation to be had.

I think your standards for innovation are just too high. Starhawk is not your ordinary shooter, for instance, and there are all kinds of different styles of racing games now. And fighters are all different from eachother. It's just that they're only obvious when you play them (something you probably haven't done). Innovation does not mean reinventing the wheel.

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Thank you for starting a fight on the internet for no particular reason. His point was that there are party fighters. Mine was that outside ssb, they suck. That's not nothing, that's a valid point.

Thank you for providing such specific examples instead of stating an unsubstantiated point...

So you can move side to side in some of them, even though the camera is placed the same and the only important distance in the game is how far you are from your opponent. Yeah, 3D movement really makes a difference. If we were talking each player gets their own camera and movement is handled like Dissidia, that would make a difference, but there aren't all that many games doing that... Woo, Mortal Kombat ends rounds in a fatality. The round still plays out the same. So some are faster, or have slightly less lengthy combo lists, still the same. And round-outs aren't important either if it's not the intended means of taking out your opponent. Nice try, but they are the same. Just because you put caramel or cinnamon on an apple or slice the apple differently doesn't mean it's not still an apple. You can still have an orange and appease fighting game fans.

Do you mean special like star power? Or special like special ed? A move is a move. Just because it's called something different doesn't change it's application.

You mean more forgiving as in easier to read, or more forgiving as in more cryptic and therefore easier to pull off a move without worrying about your opponent seeing it coming?

The point of any platformer is to get from point A to point B. That's not really a problem with the genre, that's just how platformers work. You really couldn't do one without that mechanic and still call it a platformer. It's like a racing game having the goal not being to beat the other guys (or the clock) in a race. It just doesn't work.. And ring outs only apply to super smash bros, which was my point, because every other game considers it more likely that you'll take the health bar to zero, and designs the available moves around that. The point of a fighting game is to beat the snot out of your opponent until a victory condition is met. It's a little uncreative that every decent fighting game happens to have the same victory condition outside SSB.

Yes, you have more than 10 moves, but you experiment for 5 minutes and tell me every single one is going to be used. Not to say they're not useful, but you don't need to know them because you roughly know what every character does when you do basic things like point the stick right and press A. You only need to memorize like 10. As opposed to any other fighting game and you have to know what that character will do when you point the stick right and press A because you get something different just for the sake of making the game more difficult.

..and it wasn't released in the US. That doesn't mean I haven't played it. I have. I had my wife translate for me. The platforming doesn't even work very well because characters don't move very far when they are hit. This is a concern I have for PSASBR as well. The game is not designed around manipulating distance from an enemy, or positional combat at all without the main mechanic for death being a ringout. So platforming is pointless.

If it's not obvious at first glance, is a player new to the genre going to know any better? If a smart player has played Tekken, decided it wasn't for them and just watched videos for the others, what are the odds that they would even pick up another fighter before realizing that they're all the same thing? I've actually gone and played all of the ones I listed. They are all the same thing. I've seen games do things differently and do them well. If it's not different enough, it's the same. Like saying you and your twin brother have different fingerprints even though you both speak in unison...

Starhawk? Played it. I love the concept but they fall flat at execution. Looking forward to a sequel because it did innovate, it just needs a little more polish. I'm not saying different styles of racing games don't exist, I'm just saying that 99% of the time you're racing cars in an urban environment. When was the last time you raced anything other than a car? I played the heck out of Hydro Thunder and loved it. I have played them. Don't insult me when you don't know... And while you may not change the fact that a racing game is a contest to get from point A to B faster than something, you might decide whether you're driving a car, or flying a plane, or captaining a ship, or riding a dinosaur, or smashing through buildings with big rigs, or floating a hovercraft, or adding weapons. Reinventing the wheel... not such a bad idea for a racing game at least...