Talking Point: Would You Prefer 'Super Mario Odyssey 2' Or A Totally New 3D Mario?

Personally, I'd love a new Super Mario 3D World. It was such a gem and I really prefer it above Odyssey, which was a really good game in its own right, but I really enjoyed playing 3D World together with a friend.

What i really want is to expand the Bowser fury's concept, a really open world Mario. That would be great.
I am pretty sure thats where the franchise is going.

The thing is, while I prefer the Galaxy series, Cappy is such an amazing addition that I don't think I would want another 3D Mario game without him. So maybe an Odyssey 2 that follows the level designs of Galaxy 1 and 2? That way we can keep Cappy and also have the "open-zone" areas of Odyssey, but with more space themeing.

The 3D Mario team have been very quiet, I suppose this is the longest we have gone without not knowing what the next game in development is since Mario 64, I know we had the port of 3D World and Bowsers’s Fury but there has been no news on the next big one for five years.

It has been wayyy too long for me to just be content with an Odyssey sequel and not be disappointed. We've waited so long, give us something new! But I also do not want a movie tie-in, just a new mainline 3D game.

That's funny, considering how I literally just jumped back into Odyssey to get every moon last night

Don't care so long as it's great and it'll be a launch title for the next Nintendo platform.

Mario Galaxy 3 Please

Dunno. Just would like anything at all new. Switch really loves spacing out releases.

The cappy throw/jump/bounce/dive/catch movement feels really good. I'd be more than happy with another one for that reason but then I'm sure Nintendo can come up with other mechanics that are just as good too.

New Mario games bring in new hardware and gameplay elements. I would be more than happy with Odyssey 2 as I'm sure they have tons of ideas still for what to do with the game and it's my fave Mario game. They'll add to it in a fresh way. That said, I'll take a new Mario game when the next hardware comes out too heheh.

I'd like a new 2D mario more, as it'd be nice to see a shift away from the "New" series to the inventive, daring and unique concepts seen in the 3 and World (not unlike Odyssey).

But it's been 5 years.
I'd take literally anything.

I'd take an Oddsey 2 game in a heart beat but my preference would be a new game altogether.

A trip back to Dinosaur Land would be nice but obviously in a 3D setting

I never liked Mario Odyssey’s 1000+ Moon format. A fair amount of the rewards felt dumbed down compared to past 3D Mario games and nothing prior to defeating Bowser stuck out as really engaging and having to play the game in Co-Op was dreadful. It is definitely the most colorful and charismatic Mario game though, so i can appreciate it for that.

Whatever next iteration of Mario we see, I hope they take co-op seriously again. Bowser’s Fury is a good example of that.

I want a new 2D Mario! Not in the New Super Mario Bros style haha. Please?

@Pillowpants I completely agree with this. 3D World also felt like it had overall better level design since every stage was focused on a core design concept. 3D World's co-op is wonderful and the game's overall design makes it work very well!

I'm not sure what I'd want in terms of a new Mario. While more Odyssey sounds great on paper, I have this feeling Nintendo will deliver something else that will be just as good if not better.

They're not often about just giving us more of the same, so waiting to see whatever is next is better to me than another Galaxy or Odyssey.

And I get this impression the next Mario might take more inspiration from Bowser's Fury than anything else, which is okay in my book.

I'd like something akin to Bowser's Fury, but as a full-sized game.

Odyssey 2 would be great but I feel that a little too much time has passed, Galaxy 2 wasn't long after 1; 3D Land to 3D World; the NSMB games came out in quick succession, etc.

Something new after all this time would be the best option.

At this point, I'd like a brand new 3D Mario, not a sequel to Odyssey. It's been long enough to warrant one. I think Bowser's Fury showed the blueprint for a more open 3D Mario without a level select, and I believe Nintendo will continue down that route.

Aslong as its not a port, then its a new game to me. So I ain't fussed if it's odyssey 2 as technically its still a new game.

It should be a bigger version of Bowser's Fury style - that was perfect! It doesn't necessarily have to be fully open-world, but use those basic mechanics.

Something new. When it comes to Mario platformers, it's basically up in the air for what the experience is playing them. Which is why I want a freshly made one that doesn't inch too close to familiarity.

As for when? Could be 2024? When the Switch 2/successor/whatever comes out? Maybe later that? Sooner? Don't know or care, I'll gladly wait until then regardless.

@Dom_31 It wasn’t my copy to play. But I still wanted to have a good time with my best friend and Odyssey’s co-op is mostly the opposite.

historically its more likely to be something completely new. we've only ever gotten a 3d mario sandbox sequel once (galaxy) and that was a clear case of them having too many ideas to just have as DLC

5 years after odessey without a hint of a sequel or DLC makes me feel like its not happening

I'd prefer Galaxy 2 and NSMB Wii first - seemingly the last two flagships that aren't officially portable yet. After that, come what may. I'm still waiting for more/overdue Peach/Daisy/Rosalina spinoffs(s) regardless.😄

Sequel, easy question.

@Olliemar28 It says Splatoon 3 at the beginning, but you seem to mean Splatoon 2.

I think Odyssey nailed Mario's core moveset in a way that no other prior 3D Mario game did. I would be more than happy to see a new Odyssey with new (and perhaps more refined) capture options - there's still a lot that could be done there. Also, if they wanted to expand the light genre/aesthetics hopping they touched on briefly with the dragon boss, all the better.

That said, I would also not say no to a full game in the style of Bowser's Fury. Would be more than happy with either.

I would like another 2.5 mario game that also has a mix of 16bit and 8 bit levels. Which I can’t believe I am saying as I prefer 3D Mario but odyssey was a big meal for me. I don’t need a new one currently.

A new 3D Mario game with Bowser's Fury open-world design + Mario Odyssey's gameplay would be my pick.

I am fairly confident the next 3D Mario will be open-world regardless. That may be one of the reasons the game is taking so long to make.

I didn't care too much for Odyssey. Something completely different would be great. Having said that, a new Super Mario 3D World would be awesome or a 2D game to take it back to its roots.

Galaxy 3….? Anyone?!

Super…Mario…Galaxy…3

It's a Mario game. It will be excellent no matter what direction Nintendo takes. But if there is indeed another 3D Super Mario game in the Switch's lifespan, then it will most likely be thrown together using Odyssey's engine (and many of its assets).

I'm still disappointed with Odyssey's crappy, predictable, and anticlimactic "I don't need no man" ending as getting Mario and Peach to finally tie the knot could have opened the series to a world of possibilities with Mario and Peach taking on future adventures as a married couple (I can't even think of any major games featuring husband and wife protagonists).

@nhSnork : Instead of New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe (gee, what a mouthful!), Nintendo should have released New Super Mario Bros. All-Stars (containing the DS, 3DS, and Wii installments as well).

Now Nintendo are in an awkward position where it makes no sense to release the Wii game separately as it would offer a significantly worse value proposition than U Deluxe (unless it's bundled with something else). As for Galaxy 2, it's just screaming for its own release. I take strong exception to those suggesting that a complete game should be available as DLC for another full-priced release (let alone for one no longer available for sale) as it makes no sense whatsoever from a business perspective and would diminish the completeness of the physical 3D All Stars release, while alienating those who do not want the rest of the 3D All Stars package.

I would like to see a completely different approach for next 3D Mario games.
Give him some multiple cartoonish weapons like Ratchet & Clank since he has ever dealing with guns from Mario + Rabbids. Give some voiceover, more robust storyline without using damsel in distress plot all the time, a new playable Mario's partner just like Clank become Ratchet's sidekick, some purposeful mini games inside, more complex 3D worlds with natural or futuristic looking.

In my honest opinion, Super Mario Odyssey was okay, I have finished the game 4 years ago but it was a baby step approach of 3D platformer games while the 3rd party games like Spyro or even Ratchet & Clank did better than Super Mario Odyssey long time ago.

Super Mario Sunshine 2

I think that it would be better to get Super Mario Odyssey 2. Odyssey has so much room for more innovation, and I’d rather see that taken advantage of on the Switch, with the next big new thing being saved for Nintendo’s next console.

The trouble with saying you want something new is...you don't actually know what you are wanting lol.

We just need a massive hub world! That’s all I want is a new kind of peaches castle, or delphino plaza. Sonic frontiers is kind of doing that. It just kind of expands the imagination to see the game as an immersive adventure experience rather than a level by level experience

Unpopular opinion, but I think I'm ready for a new 2D Mario. The last all new one was on the Wii U.

I would however, not like it in the "New" style. I'd like to see a different style, or even the return of something like the Yoshi's Island look.

Of course, I'd take a new 3D game too.

Whatever it ends up being... which I personally don't really care that much for... I just hope they bring back certain fan favourite things again.

Sarasaland being one of them. Odyssey was the perfect opportunity for him to travel to Sarasaland again. But nope, can't do it.

I would love to see him travel to a fully 3D Yoshi's Island as well. Though maybe that could be best saved for when Yoshi has his own first foray into 3D. I'll happily take either though.

@Silly_G indeed, releasing the game as "DLC" for a game inaccessible to many who missed the 3DAS boat would seem rather counterintuitive. Perhaps a separate "special NSO game" release akin to the 99 battle royales might work? Older NSMB games, on the other hand, still total to a nice trio for a 3DAS-esque bundle, so as long as Nintendo is in the mood to convert the dual screen entries (hey, Marvelous and Square Enix were), hope springs eternal.

Spawnwave has been talking about this for a while, I can't remember which video it was, it might have been a Spawncast podcast, he was talking about the rumoured 2D Mario coming next year, he thought it would be 2D and would come around the movie, his reasoning was a 2D game is more accessible to a movie audience who aren't existing Nintendo Switch owners or maybe even gamers. I think that makes complete sense.

So, i'd be very happy with a 2D game next year and assuming the new Switch is coming in 2024 or later, a 3D game as a launch title, I don't care if it's a Bowser's Fury style or Odyssey 2.

@Inc A 2D game based on the movie art style would be great! I agree regarding the "new" style.

we are well past the point of a Odyssey 2 Nintendo are clearly not making a Odyssey sequel but something completely different also just because it's taking over 6 years for a direct sequel to BOTW does not mean the same thing for Mario

Just my topic as I have been going on how bad it is that we have only had one new Mario platform game Mario Odyssey in nearly 6 years of the Switch life cycle. It’s such a shame.
And Nintendo only have one system to develop for now as well.
My vote Mario Odyssey 2 please, come on Nintendo get on it.

@MythTgr @Anti-Matter I don't agree with all your points, but a new playable character would be great, the obvious choice though is Donkey Kong.

The Donkey Kong IP has the potential to be on the same level as Mario and Zelda. There are rumours about a stand alone movie and new games...was there something about a Donkey Kong section to the theme park too?

I don't think it matters at all. All I want is the open level design-formula from Odyssey and SM64. The "Odyssey"-bit is just the transport hub between levels, I don't think it matters if it's a space ship, a train, or just paintings in a castle hub world.

Give me Mario Sunshine 2, you cowards!!!

Only Nintendo could miss a massive opportunity of probably the biggest ever Movie to Game tie in, in history.
It could have been the best selling Movie Game ever to have existed.

@Tharsman I would love Sunshine 2!!

I don't know how many times I've 100%'d Odyssey now, but I know I've overwritten every save slot at least twice. While I'd be happy with something new, I'd really like at least one more Odyssey.

I suspect they are working on an Odyssey 2, I think they were doing DLC for the first game and much like Galaxy 2 I think it has ballooned into a full-blown sequel. I wouldn't be surprised if it hits the Switch in time to cash in on Mario-mania from the movie.

All I would hope for in the sequel is cheaper costume prices (grinding Luigi's Balloon Hunt to buy everything is a chore) and that you also don't need to grind Luigi's Balloon Hunt to get the Odyssey to 999 moons. Ideally I'd like there to be 999 moons to find in the game, I'm sure the only reason it's like that in Odyssey is because there originally were meant to be DLC kingdoms.

Odyssey 2 for me. Really though I'd like a game that centered on the entering a pipe and emerging 2d to do challenges. The 3d hub worlds can be filled with puzzles you have to solve in the 2d world to manipulate the 3d world.

There’s gonna be a game w the movie launch. It will be a last minute drop, watch.

Bowser’s Fury was a lot of fun, so I’m really hoping for more of that. I liked the speed and a true open world Mario is something I’d love to see those ideas turn into.

Every single main Mario title 2D or 3D have been great in my opinion. I'll take whatever. I could get excited for a return to Odyssey. It would be cool if Mario went on another vacation like Sunshine....maybe this time the gang heads to the slopes and it's call Snowflake. Skiing would play a bigger part in at least getting around.

The controls are simply too good to not iterate on, the way it outsold every previous 3D Mario will also probably force their hand unless they decide to be wacky which is always possible.

Come on Super Mario 128! 😉

@MarioBrickLayer
Well, because I have experienced more from 3rd party games so I have completely different ideas for next 3D Mario games.

Super Mario Sunshine should get a spiritual successor. Bring F.L.U.D.D. back! It makes since game play wise seeing the success of Splatoon. I think it would sell 20 Million+. Super Mario Sunshine is lowkey GOAT.

Super Mario Maker 3 is undoubtedly in-development right now for Switch 2.

I want a true sequel to Mario 64 that has a proper co-op.

Either an Odyssey 2 with more intricacy to it than
just stomp this hump on the ground for free moon x100 of these types of little puzzles spread throughout the worlds. Way more variety in bosses, those bunnies were the lamest ever. And more challenging platforming levels cause the last level on the dark side of the moon wasn't anywhere near enough nor challenging

Or a new 3d Mario with said improvements. But really the dream wish would be a sequel to Sunshine. That game deserved and still deserves it

Funnily enough, I only just restarted Super Mario Odyssey a couple weeks back. I’d genuinely forgotten how good it is to play and how gorgeous it is to behold. I’d love to see what Nintendo can do with a direct sequel. Can the bar be raised even further?

Ps. Currently at Bowser’s Kingdom and I don’t want it to end.

I would love an Odyssey 2, but I also feel that they didn’t hold back on the first one. They didn’t leave many ideas in reserve for a sequel.

A completely new 3D Mario game would be better, at least for me. Mario Odyssey was great but i played in a way that i wanted to finish the game as fast as possible. I do hope that Nintendo do something different than Odyssey.

We already got TWO great new 3D Mario games this gen (Odyssey and Bowser's Fury).
We haven't had a new 2D Mario in 10 years. TEN YEARS!

I want a 2D Mario with hand drawn art like Rayman Origins and great music and no commonality with the "NSMB" series. It should release as a tie in for the movie or better yet in time for the holidays.

Would be cool to have a game in the likes of the movie (voice acting included)

Either would be great. Theres sooooo much more they can get from the odyssey concept Tho

I want both lol. Seriously I just want a new proper Mario game I don’t care new or sequel or 2D just give us something

Mama Mia! Get ready for Mario Movie The Video Game leaks and rumors. 😉

I’d love a New Mario game with a completely new aesthetic to switch things up. Maybe something akin to the Wind Waker look…I know Paper Mario uses a cartoon aesthetics but I think a fresh look could shake things up a bit

@Inc @sketchturner I count Mario Maker 2 as a new 2D Mario. The Story Mode provided many Nintendo built levels.

oddesy 2 but include the koopaligns

Don't mind, just having another Mario platformer in general would be nice. As for timing, I'd guess it's being saved for more powerful hardware but not a launch title for that hardware (I still think Tears of the Kingdom will be the launch title).

I'd a lot rather the next game have little resemblance to Odyssey. I like the game a lot but it just feels like quantity of content over quality to me, especially with how little of the game really involves actual platforming and instead just consists of running back and forth across big empty fields where nothing is anything resembling a threat to you.

It's kind of a game where the more I revisit it the lower my opinion of it is.

I'm not exactly the biggest fan of Super Mario Odyssey. New Donk City and Tostarena were the only worlds I absolutely loved, while the rest of them were just okay. I'd take a sequel to Odyssey if it manages to fix the glaring issues I had with the first game, though. It doesn't need hundreds of Power Moons to collect that all feel like busy work--I should have to earn them through intricate platforming and doing quests for NPC's. Don't make me kick around glowing rocks and ground-pound the glowing spot in the ground for the hundredth time, please.

Bowser's Fury was absolutely incredible, and as other people in the comments have said, if that is meant to lay the groundwork for future 3D Mario games, I'd be tickled pink. A fully open-world Mario sandbox would be a dream come true, but so would a Super Mario Galaxy 3. Honestly, it would hold me over for a while if Nintendo just released Galaxy 2 on Switch, which would be like the easiest thing in the world. They could make it free DLC for owners of 3D All-Stars if they're subscribed to the NSO Expansion Pass, while everyone else can download it standalone for 20 bucks. But knowing Nintendo, it would be a full $60 retail release called "Super Mario Galaxy 2 Deluxe + Morton Koopa's Toenails."

No, we're not getting a Mario movie tie-in game.

For me personally I want another Mario Galaxy. Absolutely love those games. With regards to some new ideas I would love to see a Mario Shmup or levels that incorporate that design. Using different vehicles, morphing similar to yoshis island, just a thought.

The idea of a Mario multiverse honestly sounds dreadful and unfitting for the series, especially since it'd be jumping on a bandwagon. A crossover 3D Mario also sounds completely unappealing. I want creative new stuff from Mario, or an Odyssey 2

Considering nintendos future known releases, I don’t see a new Mario until maybe winter 22 at earliest, but realistically by winter 23. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a sequel to 3D world before odyssey. Multiplayer Mario is better then single player only.

The last game felt like it shared a lot of DNA with Mario 64, so I'd like the next one to build more off the style of Sunshine. Odyssey might be the most mechanically perfect 3D platformer I've ever played, but it still has a couple places it falls short of my favorite. For one, I feel like the completely random mishmash of environments that most entries go with actually breeds less creativity than when they have to think up a dozen or so distinct variations on a central theme. The other aspect where Odyssey felt a bit lacking is how most of the maps were either a collection of smaller challenges that you could casually walk between, or a mostly linear path with occasional branches you could go off on. With Sunshine, there was almost always more than one way to get between any two points, but few of those paths ever felt completely effortless. I really wasn't a fan of Galaxy or 3D World's almost completely linear map design, so Odyssey was definitely the closest we've gotten to my ideal Mario game in the last 20 years. If they can push it a bit further and bring more cohesion to both the individual areas and overall world, then the next game just might be able to steal away the top spot on my list.

Call me greedy, but I want it all. I would love to see 3 pillars (been a while since we heard Nintendo use that phrase) of Mario. Give me a Mario Odysee style 3D game, And follow it up with a great new 2D Mario, and then have a new Isometric three 3D mario game.

The only thing that that really ties Odyssey together is cappie- otherwise its a pretty disparate adventure-

So I guess I am fine with more under the title Odyssey- Cappie doesn't necessarily need to be in an Odyssey 2, right?

Honestly, in the short term, I'd really just like Galaxy 2 on the Switch- that seems like a pretty big oversight at this point-

I doubt it will ever happen, but I would love Mario Odyssey’s 2D level styles to be added into Mario Maker 2 (wrap around corners, hidden sections, reverse gravity walls, etc.).

Or even make a new 2D game focused on those mechanics. Edit: @AstraeaV You beat me to it!

I sorta want a game based on the new movie.

@Crockin I thought the first Odyssey game didn’t leave much on the table for a sequel. It had so many clever ideas. What were you thinking? Maybe a futuristic kingdom?

Something new. I will be in the minority but i couldnt stand Odyssey. Even after owning it twice.

Super Mario Iliad, please

I'd like to see Odyssey 2 before we move on to next gen. There's just way too much they can still do with Odyssey, too many levels they can add, too many enemies we can capture, for me to feel satisfied with just one game of the concept. I do want to see something totally new next gen (and that is what they tend to do, they seem to design the flagship 3D Mario game around the capabilities of the console), but I want to see Odyssey 2 first.

If the successor doesn't launch alongside BotW2, then I fully expect the next 3D Mario will be a launch title. Nintendo will want something big to ship out alongside a new generation of hardware.

One 3D Mario per generation is the norm.

@BenAV Exactly, I really don't know why oddessey was rated so high. It was a massive step down from the Galaxy games. For me there was just way to many moons and most were too easy to get.

My biggest fear with a "Super Mario Odyssey 2" is that it might follow down the footsteps of Galaxy 2. Yes, Galaxy 2 is more fun because the content is much more varied, but I'm generally afraid that world design is not going to be anywhere near as memorable, and that was the thing that felt very off in Galaxy 2. Having more levels adds diversity, but it also took away the feeling of being in a "galaxy" and just put you generic Mario stages with a few quirks in gravity.

2d Mario all the way!

I think throwing Mario into a steam punk type universe would be a refreshing adventure. There would be lots of mechanics to play around with, unexplored worlds to to discover and just image the new puzzles. Mario's new side kick could be some sort of mech buddy. Perhaps a spark to ignite machines or a gear to fix broken ones. Possibilities are limitless.

It's been so long I don't know

I'm playing Odyssey now, trying to clean up moons post Bowser, and while I enjoyed it it's one of my least favorite Mario games - I should say I'm not a huuuge 3D Mario guy to begin with.

Honestly, if we're getting another direct sequel, give me Galaxy 3. The Galaxy games are by far my favorite true 3D Marios, but my absolute favorite is 3D Land.

@Tandy255 Your point is a fair one but for me personally, it's like saying Mario Kart 8 is a 3D Mario game. Mario Maker is such a completely different experience from a normal 2D Mario adventure.
I'm probably not being objective here because I can't stand Minecraft/Mario Maker type experiences, but that's just my feeling. (And yes I did play both Mario Maker games).

Two dimensional Mario

If Super Mario Odyssey 2 was a thing, we wouldn't be waiting 5 years for it. I enjoyed Odyssey a lot, but for me it fell victim to the curse of BotW. I want an open world Super Mario game with the worlds/stages linked to it. Something more like Mario 64.

Odyssey was great, but it felt like it could have been even better. I'm hoping for something entirely new with the next 3D Mario and I expect it to land in a couple of years alongside new hardware.

In terms of next year and the Mario Movie, I think we'll get an all new 2D Mario. And it's about time too.

I didn’t love Bowsers Fury, so I am actually hoping it doesn’t go that direction. I love the feel of getting to a new world and being smacked in the face by the differences. Not really sure how they could do that in the Bowsers Fury style open world. Odyssey is one of my all time favorite games and I think there’s plenty to do with it in a sequel so that gets my vote.

As for when, we definitely need a new Mario ASAP. However, I have a hunch there’s going to be a new Mario around the movies release but will be more along the lines of their 2D releases and the next new main game will come with the Switch 2 (or whatever it is.)

Super Mario Odyssey was my game of the year for 2017, so yeah I would love a sequel to come out. Having said that, it's Mario, I'm always down for a new Mario game.

Just give me a Mario platformer. I don’t care if it is 2d or 3D, I just want a new game.

Super Mario 64 Remastered for the Switch 2 would be nice

I would want a open worlded Mario sunshine 2 where you can explore the whole islands your in.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other? Either one would be great!

I don't care if it's Odyssey 2 or a new direction; I just want the next Mario to control like Odyssey and Bowser's Fury did. The movements and control were so smooth in those two experiences. This made me want to go back and do a 2nd run through of Bowser's Fury

I don’t think Nintendo will come out with anything new related to current devices and games will slow down for Switch. The new device may be something different that we don’t know.

Mario Maker 3 please 🙏

I just want some new Mario, man! Any simple platformer adventure will do, be it 2D or 3D! Feels like it's been nothing but ports, remasters and lacklustre sports spinoffs for almost half a decade now ...Though, maybe I'm wrong about that. Might just be me.

I'd prefer something new, with a more defined identity. Odyssey wasn't my favorite and just felt very random with its worlds.

@Eagly Well they could always have more gun related powerups like Cannon Boxes and capturing Bullet Bills and Sherms (I've always wanted to see a Bazooka Bill power up, a giant bazooka Mario could wield that shoots Bullet Bills, but that might not be the most original of powerups anymore). But yeah, a full main series game revolving around gunplay seems a bit much and too limiting.

@nocdaes SM64 is no more an "open world" than any 3D platformer with levels linked by a hub area.

I wouldn't be surprised if the next 3D Mario game is closer to an open world experience, though. I think the fully open and interconnected Bowser's Fury was designed as a prototype for just that sort of experience. It showed that an exploratory Mario game could work just fine without discrete stages.

Super Mario Odyssey is the best 3-D Mario game to me, and I can hardly imagine that it can be topped. As such, I am patient about the successor.

With 3D Mario, I feel like it should stick with how things have been going with console grouping. If it’s on the Switch, then Odyssey 2. If a new console, then an entirely new thing.

At this point I just want a new 3D Mario in general man.

But if I were to be picky, I'd like Odyssey's mechanics in a game that isn't Odyssey. Mario's kit was great in that game, but the level design was really quite lackluster. Rarely did the levels demand you fully utilize that kit. It felt like such wasted potential to give Mario this amazing moveset in a game that doesn't take proper advantage of it. They leaned in too hard on the capture mechanic IMO and not enough on Mario's actual moveset.

So TLDR: I want the next Mario game to be more designed around Mario's core kit and be less focused on gimmicky mechanics like cappy. Oh and less collectibles. Odyssey had far too many collectibles. Let's hope they go for a "less is more" design philosophy

I'm not a fan of Cappy, and here's why: Whenever you need to use Cappy, there's always a specific enemy you're supposed to become, so you can use their specific power. The mechanic is used in a completely linear way: Here's a puzzle, and here's the solution. I much prefer open-ended mechanics, where the game give you options and you choose your own approach. So Odyssey was not my favourite. I much prefer 3D World.

Hard to believe it's been five years since Odyssey released, it still feels so new to me! Though I suppose that's just due to age mashing things together. I feel like Odyssey did its thing and stands very well on its own. Doesn't need a sequel. While I would personally prefer something brand new, I wouldn't say no to more Odyssey if that's the route they choose.

I feel it's harder to predict what Nintendo will do this time around, as they've shown a lot of open possibilities.

It's hard to tell for certain when their next main 3D Mario game will be, but as we have had one every 5 years I'd really hope they give us one next year, I'm sure there will be some sort of Mario game next year. Here's hoping it will be the next 3D Mario game! As Zelda is getting one. Otherwise, in the next 2 years, I feel it would have to be.

I don't mind what they do, as long as it's really fun to play. Odyssey 2, Something new in the style of their 3D Mario games, Some open world Mario game. I doubt Galaxy 3, but even Galaxy 3 if it has surprises, or some new twist that works. I just feel it would need something new, surprising or different if they ever do that.

Unless it's Galaxy 3 and another 3D Mario game within the same next 5 years, but I doubt they'll do that.

So I'm open to anything as long as it's good.

I like Cappy, but any other created ally for the next game could replicate at least some of Cappy moves if they want to. If they do Odyssey 2, I'd expect it to be Cappy, unless they choose a new hat, but if it is Odyssey 2, I'd be surprised if it wasn't Cappy.

I don't mind! As long as it's good. But I really hope for a 3D Mario next year, I'd be very surprised if a Mario game of some kind doesn't come out next year. It makes sense for a Mario game of some kind around the time of the movie.

And I'd be very surprised if we don't have a new 3D Mario game by 2024.

I'd like Mario Odyssey 2 and continued support for Mario Maker 2

@Vriess
Definitely agree on Mario maker 2, i still feel like there's a lot that could still be added (that "additional themes" section still only has a single theme)

@Kyloctopus There are 800 something moons in Odyssey and you can buy yourself up to 999.

the next mainline 3D Mario game will release together with the Switch sucessor with a new gameplay concept for the franchise, is too late for a Super Mario Odyssey 2.

@BiscuitCrumbsInMyBed theres severals rumors that state,Nintendo EPD 8 is working on a new 2D Donkey Kong game and the next 3D Mario game.

I voted for a direct sequel in the poll, but really I think this game needed a solid DLC campaign to fill it out more, rather than a sequel. It was fairly short, and although there are a ton of moons to collect with no real incentive to collecting them I can never bring myself to go try to gather them all. It gets boring. Stuff like that needs to be tied to more story content.

@Giancarlothomaz not too late at all. It would be huge. A new Mario concept hasn’t launched w a console since Mario 64. Judging by sales and the fact that mk9 is in tdevelopment, that would be a very likely launch game.

I don't perfer either, all though it would be interesting for a odyssey 2

I…really enjoyed Odyssey…
But. Getting moons was too easy. I miss the challenge of Galaxy (1&2) and Previous games. It just didn’t feel very satisfying to obtain moon #472 (or whatever it was…). Especially compared to 120 Stars in the previous games.
Don’t get me wrong, it was an excellent game, just too easy.

@JDCII I agree moons were to easy i miss the challenge of the older marios like galaxy. Collecting 120 stars was harder than collecting all the moons

I'd prefer more Galaxy as it was the pinnacle of the series. I should go back and finish some of the extra stuff in Odyssey but eh, it was kind of boring.

So cute people STILL somehow think there's a Switch 2 coming before a new Mario. Hahaha

Honestly I’m amazed that Odyssey hasn’t had DLC worlds, it seemed such a no-brainer!

That makes me think that the next game may be Odyssey 2 and they’re being saved for that, which I would love! But I’d also be happy to see a brand new Mario, or a Sunshine 2…

It’ll be hard to live up to Odyssey though. I think it’ll have similar struggles to 3D World being absolutely brilliant but tarnished simply by not being Galaxy 3.

Think we’ll see a 2D entry first though.

@JDCII
Tell that to the jump rope moon.

I'm still waiting for a new Mario Kart.
Mario Kart 8 launched on May 30th, 2014 on the Nintendo Wii U.
Don't get your hopes up for a new 3D Mario anytime soon.

i was prefer they can Remake the Gameboy version Super Mario Land. With new visual and Same soundtrack

Nintendo is not new to making fans wait forever for a quality game in a favorite series. Any Mario, Donkey Kong, Zelda (Link) Metroid games are all going to be held back for the Switch's successor or simultaneously released on both as the Switch makes its way to the video game grave yard. I have a feeling we will be hearing of a new system about X-mas time in 2023 or late spring of 2024 (for holiday season of that year).

@SearchingS I would love to see a "Mario All Stars" remake of the 2 gameboy Mario games. And I am of course referring to the SNES "All Stars" and not the abomination that was 3-D All Stars. They seriously need to re do that collection and apologize to fans for even letting it out of it's cage.

@BTB20 I think even the idea that you’re expected to buy Power Moons is just kinda lame in itself

I'd prefer a new 3D-"Donkey Kong (Country)" game over basically any other platformer. But I'll take everything that's good.

i would to see a new 3D game
they maybe something different from Odyssey, as me personally, after the first run, i find the game pretty boring, even after reaching & beating the final location (thanks to amiibo)
so yeah give me something new
or unique like the Mario + Rabbids games

Cappy was great - but overall I didn't love Odyssey as much as other 3D Marios, and would strongly challenge anyone saying it was the best, as it's not even close imo. There was simply not enough challenging and engaging 'platforming' in this supposed platformer. Also way to much focus on non-gameplay based things like costumes.

Whatever the next true Mario game is, I want it to be a top-tier inventive platforming game above anything else.

I'd love a new Odyssey with less real world locations. I like the more fantastical locations, not New Donk City. But it might be time to fire Odyssey back up, been a while since I played it

All I want is Super Mario Bros: The Movie: The Game.

The most important thing to me is that they keep with this style of more 'open' levels like Odyssey, 64 and Sunshine and not go back to Galaxy style. They can go with Odyssey 2 or a new theme, I don't mind... Just do not give us the linear levels of Galaxy series ever again unless it's a completely separate series that does not effect the main series.

While I admittedly have never played Odyssey myself, watching countless playthroughs I felt this game lacked the compelling mystery that was present in SMS or SM64 for example. Having a smaller number of moons/stars really makes them seem more special. I also am just not into boss fights, so I really would prefer a game with a limited number of objectives, that way each one can be more fleshed out and special (quality over quantity?).
I also just love having the sort of main world from which you can jump into different paintings to access other worlds. I think that kind of thing could be really cool, I want Super Mario 64 2

@Nikhogan Honestly a small game based on the movie with levels inspired by locations and events in the movie without spoiling it would be nice as a limited time promo download.

Kinda like the old Disney platformers, about 10 substanial levels.

Bowser’s Fury 2! The first one was such a surprise hit for me. Everything felt really good about the gameplay. The loading times are nice short. So much fun. I’m going to replay it this weekend now.

There's one Mario staple that's gotten very little attention in the 3D series; mushrooms. It'd be cool to have a game set entirely in the Mushroom Kingdom proper. You could have underground areas with glowing mushrooms, swamp areas with poison mushrooms, mushroom forests, a Toad town or Goomba fortress, maybe a sky area on a mountain-sized mushroom with spores flying around. There's really a lot of things you could do with the idea.

I really didn't care for Odyssey, and probably wouldn't even buy a sequel. I'd rather see galaxy 3 but mostly, something entirely new.

3d mario/odyssey. Is there that much of a difference?

I'm always for something new, but if they're going to do a sequel I'd prefer Galaxy 3 over Odyssey 2.

There should have been an option for 'Switch 2 Launch Year.' I think the Switch 2 will launch day-and-date with TotK. With the next 3D Mario hitting later next year. Then METROID PRIME 4 around Christmas.

4D Mario or bust.

I personally would love an Odyssey sequel. Odyssey hands down is one of my favourite modern era games. It just feels so fresh to play, while still giving me throwback to Mario's previous games. Also, New Donk City 👌

Odyssey is awesome, but it's too much. It's the first 3D Mario that I didn't collect everything due to the huge number of moons. I enjoyed it a lot but I want something new.

Also, I loved the idea of having Yoshi as a partner similar to Super Mario World.

As for when it'll release, unless Nintendo has two 3D Mario games in the pipeline it'll definitely launch with the new console to display its capabilities.

As good as Super Mario Odyssey is (and it was extremely good) I don't want a sequel to Odyssey. As good as it was, once I finished it I never came back to it the same way I did with 64 and Galaxy. Something is just not 100% Mario and the initial "wow" factor wore off for me after the first viewing. Either way, I'll be there for it, but I hope the next 3D Mario is something maybe along the lines of a fully fleshed-out Bowser's Fury which, while short, I have revisited numerous times.

@NeonPizza
I liked both Galaxy games a lot. SMG 2, in some ways, felt like what I would want from Super Mario World in 3D. If you didn't you didn't really care for SMG 1 you probably wouldn't like the sequel, but I have it in my top 5 favorite Wii games and it's my favorite of the 3D Mario games.

@NeonPizza
I liked all those games as well, especially Klonoa and Wario Land. I think the Wii's library in general is underrated but the genre it always got credit for, and rightly so, is platformers. A shame we haven't gotten a Wario Land for Switch.

@NeonPizza
I didn't even think about that. I'm sure Wario Land was a decent seller on Wii but, 14 years after, and the fact that several other Wii games have received ports or remasters, it makes total sense. And, while not perfect, the joy cons can recreate the Wii remote controls close enough. I'd prefer a brand new entry in the WL series but an HD remaster of Shake It would be fine too. It'd be a day one buy, just like Return to Dreamland will be.

I don't think there will be any new 3D Mario on the Switch. They might rerelease Mario Galaxy 2 or something like that. But in regards to totally new 3D Mario titles I believe we'll have to wait for the next Nintendo console.

The Switch has plenty, more than most previous Nintendo systems.

I want a classic mushroom kingdom 3D game,
essentially a 3D version of Mario Bros. 3

I'd be surprised if the next Mario entry doesn't takes cues from the Mario Movie. It wouldn't have to be a rewrite of the film's plot or anything - it might not even be a direct sequel - but I'd be willing to bet that at least some of the movie's locations, side characters, enemy designs and other movie-specific world building elements (such as the Penguin Kingdom seen at the start of the trailer, or the huge field of mushrooms and flowers with the Mushroom Kingdom itself in the horizon).

While I'm not necessarily saying I would personally want them to do it (if it turns out great, then I'm on board), I think Nintendo would almost be foolish NOT to base at least some of their next Mario game on the movie - especially if the film hits a home run at the box office.

And besides, doing so would probably make it the first video game that was based off of a movie that was based off of a video game. Historic stuff!

I’m not so happy with the changes that happened between Galaxy and Odyssey (Moons scattered everywhere instead of the bigger missions rewarded with a star). It’s a more casual / low-key reward system and the game feels less grand as a result.

But Odyssey is a huge success, so they will surely stick with that direction. Works best for the mobile generation.

As for a movie tie-in game, that only occurred to me recently… missed opportunity not to! But we’re too close to release already, no? They’d have announced it already… or not?

Boy does this thread make me wanna play some Land/Sunshine/Galaxy/Odyssey/Maker.

I'd take either, but while we're on the subject of Mario, 3D All-Stars is still missing Galaxy 2. That would be nice.

Personally I think Nintendo dropped the ball with not giving SMO recurring DLC featuring new kingdoms-- The odyssey concept sells itself. But on that note, if kingdom DLC is not an option, then I would like an SMO2 that builds on this idea before we move on a new 3D Mario idea. Thing is, if they don't want the SMO concept to jump the shark, then it NEEDS to come out no later than 2023, whether there's a new Switch console or not, otherwise, they might as well wait for the new Switch to release a new 3D Mario idea.

Logic would suggest a new 3d Mario game in the same timeframe as the movie, so they maximise hype/marketing/sales across all forms of entertainment. Disney do this to death with merch lines supporting big movie releases.
But.............Nintendo are not Disney and we know they tend to defy logic, so it wouldn't surprise me if they hold back the next new 3D Mario game for the next hardware launch (Switch Pro or whatever they decide to do).

@Andy_Witmyer this would be great (and logical), but the movie is a joint venture between Universal/Illumination and Nintendo, so i'm guessing Nintendo will choose to do something separate so they don't have to share the revenue from any movie-related game.
But they could take cues from the movie characters/locations like you say...

I have always preferred Mario's 2D Adventures to his 3D ones and I would love to see a new 2D game.

But I want to see it take the 2D style of Mario to the next level, pushing the boundaries of what we expect from that style of Mario game.

I loved the NSMB games, but those games never went outside the SMB3/SMW mold in terms of their gameplay, and copy and pasting assets between entries really hurt that series and honestly was unusual for Nintendo.

I think 2D Mario could be pushed to the next level in terms of gameplay and innovation.

I seem to remember rumblings that Odyssey's team were working on possibly a 2.5D Donkey Kong game; I am willing to bet Odyssey was Switch's one and only 3D Mario venture. And no I don't want another as much fun as I had with it. Moon missions felt far more shallow than BK Jiggies or even Sunshine's stars. Flesh them out more next time please.

I’m fine with either or.. I trust Nintendo to be captivating, innovative and inventive enough to make 3D Mario great as they have so many times consistently in the past already.

But tbh what I really want is a true New Super Mario RPG. Could even perhaps be a story prequel or sequel to the movie if they must to tie it all together and could boost each other financially.

… Wun can only hope.

@Ralizah Yes, 64 is a central hub area. Sunshine had one too. As did Galaxy.

Galaxy 2 had the map, which was nowhere near as good as the hub - but generally better levels made it as good a game, if not better.

Odyssey had a series of loading screens.

5 years on and I still don't understand why Odyssey received the level of love it did. Its no doubt a great game, but it has more than a few flaws. The loading between worlds, the quality of the challenge to receive many of the moons in particular.

I would prefer at least one more 64-style game that focuses on exploration, since the period of Galaxy - 3D World was the A to B linear formula. An Odyssey sequel is perfectly fine but I think I would want something that branches out as I think Odyssey explored all its mechanics to their fullest extent.

@nocdaes I've never really agreed with the sentiment that Galaxy 2 had better levels. They're more diverse, but also less thematically cohesive, and the game overall lacks the atmosphere, plot, and sense of identity that made Galaxy stand out among its peers.

I replayed SM64 when that came out, and, to be perfectly honest, a lot of those stars aren't much more satisfying to collect than Odyssey's worst moons. If that game didn't boot you out to the hub after collecting a star, I think a lot of this talk of the game being "quality over quantity" and "mission-based" would disappear. Meanwhile, Odyssey features a ton of post-game content, a number of truly excellent challenges throughout, and the most polished controls and 'feel' of movement in any 3D Mario game to date.

Sunshine's levels tend to have a bit more to them in terms of how you collect the game's best shine sprites, but it also has the worst collectibles and most consistently irritating secret levels in the series to date.

For those reasons, I'd say Odyssey is easily my favorite of the sandbox 3D Mario games.

I would love to see Odyssey 2, since there's a lot of ideas you can explore further with Cappy, however an entirely new 3D Mario would be nice.

I personally would love to see them release a new 3D Mario game that improves on everything that made Odyssey so great.

I have this idea that Mario games come in pairs. Super Mario/Lost Levels, Mario 3/Mario World, Mario 64/Sunshine (the weakest example, I think), Galaxy/Galaxy 2, 3D Land/3D World, and Land/Lamd 2 (the second weakest connection). Also NSMB/NSMB 2 and NSM Wii/NSM Wii-U. It seems to me that almost every Mario game can be fit into this pattern. The first game in the pair introduces the new mechanics/play style and the second game regimes and embellishes the play style, also often adding some kind of extra wrinkle. Looking at this list it’s my opinion that the sequels are usually the better game, so for that reason I hope we get a sequel to Odyssey. I really want to see what a refinement and embellishment of the Mario Odyssey play style would look like.

I'd love to see a 2d Super Mario rogue-lite.

The Wii U era wasn't disappointing 😂, most of its library has come to Switch in one way or another and given second life. If Wii U was disappointing, the Switch wouldn't have performed as well as it has.

The sole, primary reason for any discourse surrounding Wii U was EA and their treatment of the system because they had to be big babies when Nintendo rightfully wouldn't allow them complete control of their online systems. When they said no, EA announced they were canceling all future games in development for Wii U. The went so far to even then release Mass Effect 3 for $60 on Wii U right alongside the trilogy on other platforms. Who followed EAs footsteps? Ubisoft. Once one publisher pulls away it gives others pause, regardless of how silly and pathetic EAs reasoning was, especially when the ports that did come out performed exceptionally well when the studio cared.

The other complaint was people didn't "know what it was". So looking at the box for 10 seconds was too hard? Google? YouTube? Ignorance is no excuse so anyone who ever said that (or still does) is beyond a ***** moron. If you didn't want to know, fine, but don't pretend you couldn't understand something a 5 yr old could easily.

The Wii U failed because of EA and a moronic community of "gamers" who fell for nonsense in the media, like what was said above in the first paragraph, nothing more. Thankfully real gamers got a Switch.

if we got a mario odyssey 2 i’d be so happy

@MTMike87 Core gameplay was dumbed down a lot though. 3D world is just too basic.

@Kyloctopus It's a single player game that just happens to have a pseudo co-op mode. 3d world is the only game with legit co-op and that game is pretty bog standard.

@Anti-Matter So you want them to make it into a crappy shooter like Ratchet and Clank? Mario Odyssey's mechanics were insanely deep. The movement combined with the controllable enemy movesets were insanely well thought out. Game is infinitely replayable. Don't need to dumb it down to Ratchet and Clank level. Mario gameplay is infinitely more thought out and deep than that shovelware.

@Doctor-Moo Thing is, that's completely false. Objectively false even. Odyssey's whole appeal is the wide array of ways you can tackle objectives. You can use a backflip, jump off cappy, walljump, then dive to reach a high area. You can possess an enemy, jump high with it, hop out at the height of the jump and then throw cappy to get more distance. Cappy as a mechanic is the literal opposite of "linear design." 3d world on the other hand is as linear and basic as it gets.

@tetermc I'm referring to the many cases where a unique enemy shows up, and you have to possess it to progress in the level. To me, that's not an interesting gameplay mechanic. I prefer open-ended design where you are given the tools, but not told how to use them.

I wouldn't mind a SMO2, but I very much prefer the liniar Mario 3D games, like the Galaxy, 3D Land and World series. Though IF SMO2 happens, I hope they design it to feel less like 'oh hey here is a totally unrelated random thing now do stuff with it', it's not great game design to just keep throwing stuff at the player, even though I find that Odyssey does it exceptionally well. But I would definitly prefer something totallly new, Like Bowsers Fury or another Galaxy, purly because I cannot imagine how pretty a Mario Galaxy brand new for the Switch or the next gen Nintendo console.

Thanks for reading <3

Odyssey 2? Or you mean Mario 64 3?
Odyssey just felt like a 64 sequel to me. Sure it expanded on the 3D some and looks pretty, but it didn't feel like it did anything really new.
Lets go back to Subcon for the next game, it's been far too long

I'd like a direct sequel. I love Super Mario Odyssey.

It always astonishes me when I read comment sections about Odyssey, and there are so many comments saying they didn't really like it etc.

As a long time Mario fan, this is my joint favourite Mario game alongside Mario 64, and simply one of the best games I've ever played. I love everything about it.

How about Metroid already ffs!

I mean Metroid Prime 4; Dread doesn't count. The delay is ridiculous.