Many reading these pages have owned a Switch for nearly 5 years. We likely have extensive game libraries, a wonky Joy-Con stick or two, and a lot of fond memories. Yet the feverish attempts to wish a Switch 'Pro' into existence this year, as opposed to whenever Nintendo is good and ready to release an upgrade or successor, spoke to that desire for something shiny and a bit more powerful. While millions of Sony and Microsoft players - the lucky ones anyway - are enjoying a new generation of hardware the Switch is looking increasingly creaky, while some ports in recent times are either extremely rough or 'Cloud Versions'.
On the other hand, though, the Switch has plenty of exclusives on the way and a vibrant eShop that - once you fight through a large number of distinctly average titles - has plenty of gems. The Switch has games, just not necessarily the most technically advanced whizz-bang games.
What long term owners and fans can overlook, too, is that the Switch is still selling in terrific numbers and is still a 'hot' item ahead of the coming festive season. There's some research that points to this, and a lot of what we might take for granted is still highly desirable to plenty of people. It's interesting that people talk about Nintendo's reduced projections of over 20 million systems shipped this financial year as a negative, when they're numbers that - in the current circumstances - remain outstanding.
So, moving beyond jaded Switch veterans like us, how is such an ageing, underpowered little console still a hot product to pick up nearly 5 years after release? Here are some key strengths that still enable Nintendo's system to stand out and be a much-wanted Black Friday and festive purchase.
A Competitive Range of Prices
This might seem like an odd category to start with, but it is relevant in the context of the current circumstances on the market. We'll tackle this more in another section, but Switch is competing now in the PS5 and Xbox Series X|S space, and though both of those system have more affordable models with no disc-drive or reduced specifications, the Switch stands up pretty well in terms of price alongside them. The OLED model may be $349.99USD, but the standard model is $299.99USD (and recently had a price cut in Europe) and is featured in Black Friday bundles and deals. Then there's the Switch Lite at $199.99USD, which is sliding into a good price point for second systems, gifts for children and so on.
Apart from the Lite, too, Nintendo has successfully highlighted how a Switch purchase saves some costs in terms of extras. With so many family-oriented multiplayer games that work well with single Joy-Con controls, there's the angle of multiplayer being available out of the box with no extra controllers needed. When carefully budgeting out festive gifts, the Switch offers a good option due to its different play options and the possibility of not needing many add-ons to have fun out of the box.
The different options also mean that a number of households may end up with more than one Switch, which is pretty much a win-win situation for Nintendo.
All About That Aspirational Lifestyle
Following on from that point, Nintendo has been steadily promoting the image of Switch as a valuable contributor to daily routines, downtime with family and friends, and of course a number of 'serious' games like RPGs to sink time. This comes back to the old argument that the system is more than the sum of its parts - it's an aged tablet with detachable controllers and a dock for the TV, but Nintendo has made it a lifestyle device in a similar manner to the Wii / DS era.
We see Nintendo promote fitness and activity with the likes of Ring Fit Adventure, it's promoting solo and multiplayer mental exercise with the upcoming Big Brain Academy: Brain Vs. Brain, and of course there are varied other fitness and puzzle games available. There's a big multiplayer angle as well, Mario Party Superstars being a recent example, with marketing for over four years showing a mix of TV and portable play with friends and family. It's been established as a very social machine, an impressive PR feat when you consider its weak offering in areas like online voice chat.
There's solo play too, of course, with marketing pointing to players immersing themselves at home in a cosy seat, in front of the TV or when out and about. This is old hat to many of us, but it's an aspirational outlook that is designed to suit people's lifestyles and respect their time. It's another factor that makes it attractive to people of various types.
There Are So Many Games
It's easy to overlook for those of us that have been on the Switch train since day one, and are perhaps struggling to pick out a festive purchase (especially with the delay of Advance Wars 1+2: Re-Boot Camp) but the system has an outstanding and varied library by now. After all Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is still selling millions of copies a year, so there are still plenty of people out there discovering the racer's joys for the first time. Then there's multiple Pokemon games, let's not forget, and the ongoing charms of Animal Crossing: New Horizons.
The Switch has gradually accumulated a hefty library of exclusives, first- and third-party, and has also benefitted from a series of Wii U ports - games that not many will have played in their original form. While it's easy to focus on what Nintendo's system can't offer, such as strong versions of many big-selling multiplatform titles like Call of Duty etc, there's a lot of games unique or best-played on the Switch. Again, to those of us that have steadily accumulated a collection it's easy to brush past it, but for those coming to Switch late the variety in the library is outstanding.
So yes, when it comes down to it, the Switch sure has games.
You Can Actually Find Them In Stores
Maybe this is the big one, and a bit of a gift to Nintendo in light of unprecedented challenges over the last couple of years. Nintendo - like many entertainment companies - saw a boom in sales and profits in 2020 due to global lockdowns and a lot of people needing home entertainment. Now, in 2021 and into next year, the lingering impact of COVID remains while the technology industry also grapples with severe chip shortages and logistical challenges. It is increasingly difficult to manufacture and distribute consoles right now, with Nintendo also being affected despite its established pipelines and use of off-the-shelf and established technology.
For Sony and Microsoft, though, it's been impossible to meet demand, particularly with the PS5 and Xbox Series X models. Every one of those systems that arrives in stores is sold rapidly, and anyone seeking to buy one for the festive season will be relying on luck and good timing. The Switch OLED is rather like this in some territories and other specific bundles and colours are tricky to find, but there are standard and Lite models available with a bit of searching. While Sony and Microsoft's last-gen systems (PS4 / Xbox One) should theoretically be cheap options around, too, they feel effectively discontinued and are certainly not promoted.
It's a tough spot for Sony and Microsoft, but for Nintendo it is certainly benefitting as the most consistently available game system in stores.
Mass Appeal, The 'Blue Ocean' Etc...
To varying degrees all of the current game consoles have mass appeal - gaming has never been bigger, and it feels like we're moving to a stage where the term 'gamer' will be an irrelevance. The sheer variety of games available on different platforms means that most people are now 'gamers', whether on consoles, phones or whatever.
The strong momentum of Switch, and all of the factors highlighted above, contribute to that mass appeal that has made this a successful generation for Nintendo. The company has also used this time to build the 'brand' too, with the LEGO Mario series proving hugely popular, and of course the Mario movie coming next winter. After a challenging period in the 3DS / Wii U era, the company's brand is undoubtedly back to a high point, being readily recognised and popular.
Nintendo should, of course, not take this for granted, it'll need to earn ongoing momentum.
To many of us the Switch is an ageing but charming device, but that's not quite how it's perceived in the wider world. It may seem improbable to us that millions of people are still buying the Switch - in essentially its original form - in late 2021, but that is the case. Quite where the Switch and Nintendo's hardware business will be 12 months from now, though, that's anyone's guess.
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It definitely still feels like a hot commodity. I just want to find an OLED model. 🥲
Pretty simple, it's a great a console and being cheaper than the others doesn't hurt.
I bought mine day one. It's STILL awesome. I get the feeling media sites are wanting the thrill of covering the next thing. But for me, I'm a stone throw away from grabbing an OLED
Try waiting for a PS5 right now.
Now imagine Square making a game and waiting for you to buy a PS5 and their game.
There is a reason some of these co.pa is have announced looking into "lighter" development with further reach (meaning Switch) to generate revenue that is stalled on the other two systems.
Waiting doesn't pay bills.
BuT wE NEED a SwItCh pRo!!1!
I feel like a lot of it has to do simply with word of mouth. The few of my friends that don't yet own one really want one just because others have it.
None of my friends are really into games like I am, so yes mass appeal of the range of genres does help too. For some friends I tell them straight up that they shouldn't get it if their main gaming habits are FIFA and COD. I mean say what you need about the companies that own those franchises and the games but they do unfortunately have a very vast appeal to the general audience still to this day.
Oh, and it's a good item for parties. Just don't pass your Switch to a girl standing above pavement. I speak from personal experience.
There are probably a lot of people tired of looking for the other two consoles and just buy what’s available….so then the natural title to pic are the usual suspects…ACNH, MK8D and Mario Party….
I got one with my phone contract I wouldn't have bought one because the tech was already dated & underwhelming when it first released & I couldn't justify spending over £200 on one when my mobile is more powerful than it (I don't have an expensive phone)
@UglyCasanova the series s is cheaper than switch....
It’s such a flexible and convenient system. And the games are fantastic! Zelda, Mario, Animal Crossing… I’m in triple digits on some games and nowhere near done with them.
You’ve also got the best family and party games around. My kid loves the Pro Controller, but hates the DualShock 4….
I have a PS4 too for FIFA and COD etc. but that’s just for me. The Switch is for the whole family.
And it will be for the next few years.
Am so happy I upgraded to my OLED model as now it seems that’s hard to come by as well.
@Would_you_kindly Yes and No. In some areas it is and in others it isn't.
In the USA (where I am), the Series S costs the same as the base Nintendo Switch. However technically, the Switch Lite is the cheapest one ($199.99) and it is part of the Switch family so in a way the Switch (as a family) is still cheaper.
Excuse me?! I bought one at launch, another with first cpu tweak for increased battery (gave launch model to wife), and then upgraded again to OLED. I play it at least 2 hours nightly, if not more. Still a hot item to me…. Still playing this, and barely have touched my Series X sadly, lol!
Edit - It’s still such a hot ticket item that last I checked (last week) GameStop was still offering $220 trade value for a reg switch. And when I traded mine TOWARDS an OLED I got $260 trade value, so only had to pay a remainder of $90 towards the OLED. Crazy stuff.
@anoyonmus yeah the switch lite is the cheapest but it doesn't have the option of being able to play docked so it's a handheld & not a home console
Still prefer my Anbernic 351P 😄
It started for me on release day and just got better and better, for a while.
It now does nothing for me really, the odd bit of Mario Kart online.
I’m a massive Nintendo AAA single player fan and since BOTW, MK8, Mario Odyssey, Yoshi, Splatoon 2, Luigi mansion there has not been much for me.
When you have played them beaten them you look for the next big AAA. BOTW2, Mario Odyssey 2, Mario Kart 9 etc. Been to quiet on that front to long.
For now I’ve moved onto PS5 enjoying their games but I will be back for BOTW2, maybe Splatoon 3, maybe the new Kirby forgotten.
But for someone new to the Switch it is an amazing library of in house party AAA games their.
Shame they have been to quiet for to long. I mean take Retro Studios apart from a remake, in 5 years nothing.
@Would_you_kindly you can buy like a stand for the Switch Lite and Joy cons can work on a Switch Lite as well but then again that isn't really my point I am trying to say
My point is you can't really say the Series S is cheaper than Switch because it depends on your region. For example, the Series S isn't cheaper than the base Switch in USA. Its exactly the same price as the base Switch but the Switch Lite is about $100 cheaper and is part of the Switch family so yeah
I am a bit weird. I buy a console when there are interesting games to check out and then sell it. Then rebuy it when a few new games I care for are here... then sell it. I dont like having things sit around that are worth a good amount.
I bought my first Switch for Zelda and Odyssey, my second one for Fire Emblem, Pokemon Sword and this OLED one for AnimalXing, Metroid Dread and Pokemon BDSP/Legends.
I will probably soon sell this OLED too and buy another one when Kirby and Bayonetta are out.
@anoyonmus don't know about the US but in the UK the series s is £10 cheaper
@Would_you_kindly I see. So we can't really say which is cheaper or not because it depends on the region. Also I live in the USA so I know what the price is.
@Arkay How dare people want to play BOTW in higher resolutions and frame rates am I right?
I have a launch day switch and still really enjoy using it the concept of the switch is awesome I have other consoles but always return I just wish it had a bit more power under the hood cos no other company makes first party games like Nintendo do
tbh its mostly the 1st party games for me, i wouldnt have bought the switch if it was playstation. i barely own over 30 games... not too many in 5 years
@Chunkboi79 nothing wrong with that, much like how the current switch is fine as is.
i want Xenoblade Chronicles X on Switch!
1. OLED is the biggest reason
2. Hybrid console
3. Dock or on the GO portable
4 . Pokemon
5. It's just Nintendo...what else
Haven't touched the thing since I bought Cyber Shadow in January. While I enjoyed it's novelty, in the end, it's just uncomfortable for me to hold. If I want to play on a TV I play on PC without compromises. So yeah, it's hot, and has a lot of compromises, unfortunately. Having the buttons be a tad larger would have been so nice!
@Medic_Alert some games are beginning to show Switch limited GPU performances. And that can't be understated anymore. OLED can only go so far without a GPU/CPU power upgrade it can have a negative gaming experience. And in a dog eat dog game development that has consequences if you fail to boost performance - it doesn't mean they go against PS5 that's asking too much but doing 4K/DLSS Docked would do alot to enhance the gaming.
@Would_you_kindly Well, I think you can keep playing on your phone, then.
Wasn't this obvious? I don't think this needed to be emphasized looking at:
-the high attach rate of the switch
-the fact that its always dominating sales wise whether it be hardware or software (especially in japan)
-All the games for it and the constant ads you'll get
And as of september 30th the switch already sold 92 mil so it will outsell the wii very soon.
Well, after being one of the biggest supporters of the Switch to this point, after about 4 years, I have finally sort of got sick of the console and moved to the PS5; with only the odd exclusive resulting me in picking up the switch. I'm just a bit bored of it all now. But, I'm glad others are still finding joy from this console. it certainly has its perks
Need Duck Hunt on switch.
Best with new Nintendo Blaster and with a Point Blank like RPG mode
@tanaka2687 only a mother Troll can love this person.
Got my Switch in November 2017 and it's still a 'hot' item to me. The hybrid form factor and having literal console games on the go is still impressive to me.
I think it’s a combination of being readily available, the brand name and its family appeal. Most people (especially parents) are casual users and will buy something familiar for their kids. I also know from my own little gamers at home that the Switch is well liked, with the PS reserved for FIFA. My son has very little interest in our Xbox, he’s far happier on the Switch/Wii U/3DS.
> Breadth of high-profile exclusive content, particularly from Nintendo themselves
> Hybrid form factor that encourages engagement - "Play anywhere, anytime, with anyone"
> Strong marketing that distinguishes the Switch from previous Nintendo platforms
> Wide target demographic encompassing people of all ages, genders, nationalities, skill levels, etc.
I only bought one in summer this year, went for Switch Lite as prefer to play on a more powerful console on the TV (not that I've got a PS5 yet). The Lite suprised me by becoming my main gaming platform, I play the Lite more than my PS4 these days certainly.
With so many family-oriented multiplayer games that work well with single Joy-Con controls
Shame the Joy-con themselves have such a high fail rate that this actually counts as a negative hence why I just bought my daughter a new Switch and the first thing I bought was a Pro controller to compensate as I know the Joy-cons will fail at some point.
So I guess Nintendo win in the end as they squeezed more money out of me.
🙄
I would also critically add that Nintendo is boosting its own exposure through spending on marketing and tapping influencers, celebrities, etc. It is possible for companies to spend their way to the top too
Awesome loaded article, so in effect the Nintendo Switch is still a in demand product, even though it has no right to be, well that's that sorted.
I can agree with this article's reasoning although I can't relate to it because... I'm a long-term owner and Switch is still a hot product to me, even if that doesn't usually compel me to shop for its revisions (just like I joined the dual screen ride with DS Lite and was never compelled to seek a DSi). From that early April day in 2017 and to this very hour almost five years later, its flexibility and accessibility is still pure MAGIC and won't be "old hat" to me until I'm a legit old hat myself (which is not quite a given - people with my degree of health negligence can be lucky to live past their fifties, let alone reach retirement). And while others make an argument out of "plenty unique games on Switch", my library is already just short of 860 titles and the absolute majority of it is NOT exclusive to Switch - but either most or exclusively accessible to me on Switch. What should tempt me among the tech huzzahs and offerings of the other two Gen 9 consoles if I can't make any damn use of them? And what do I save by paying less for a PC version if I can afford to play it that much less, too? Switch sells so much first and foremost because it does no other console of its generation even bother trying. As @ThomasBW84 notes, gaming has been more widespread than ever - and Switch remains the epitome of gaming's accessibility. And until Nintendo rolls out a similarly flexible nextgen successor, this isn't likely to undergo dramatic changes even a year or two from now - Sony and Microsoft will surely roll out more games and might even roll out more units, but all said games and units will be no more capable of following you around and trying to adjust to your life than they are now.
Reason 1…I am a nearing 40 year old gamer, with wife/kids/job and can still find time to play awesome games because of how accessible the Wii U, 3ds, and now switch are. I am the dad who spends his hour lunch playing a game at work with my kids at home, using FaceTime to chat. Lately, is either Mario maker, Minecraft, or dark souls. I am in my 5th playthrough with one of my boys, and we not stopping til we hit 7.
2-5 reasons, see above.
It’s still hot for the same reason it’s sold so far. The hardware is really attractive and fits into a multitude of lives. It has lots of really good games with more coming out all the time.
Next question.
@Dezzy70 I recommend Astral Chain and Xenoblade Chronicles as great single player games. Paper Mario is also pretty good.
As someone who's had a Switch since launch, I still love the system. I just picked up an OLED to replace my ageing launch model and I couldn't be happier with it. The portability has gone from feeling like a convenience to being exciting. The Switch still manages to impress me. With such a large collection of fantastic exclusive software, I imagine it will stay relevant for while yet.
This article really seemed to miss the main point. It's literally the only handheld on the market, where phones really are imperfect, and Steam Deck is niche, expensive, big, and unavailable. And despite the old hardware it's still a pretty nice handheld. I wouldn't touch the thing if it were just a home console, there's literally be no point other than a handful of exclusives given the competing hardware is both better and cheaper. But there's no replacement for it as a handheld right now.
It would be the perfect gaming machine for me ... if it would just add folders!!!! Please, I want to easily sort all of my games please.
@thiz- you do realise all this buying and selling is costing you more than just keeping the original right?
I love my switch but I feel the prices for the systems is too high. Taking $50 off each of these would be more "fair" (for lack of a better word ). But the Switch in all its forms is selling really well at the prices they are at, and obviously Nintendo is in no hurry to change that.
@BTB20
Thank you.
I tried Astral Plain, did not get on with it
Paper Mario was ok ish but I got so far and lost it.
I think I need BOTW2 and a new Mario platform preferably 3d but 2d is ok.
Where is a 3d Donkey Kong.
I just feel after the initial first 2 year push the big in house studios have been so quiet, yes some remakes but when you have owned every Nintendo home console including the WII U, remakes don’t do it.
As amazing as these games are they are not 4K, etc having massive texture assist and levels of unreal detail. They should not take ages turn the games around.
But then again when you sell as many switches as you do why keep making new big AAA in-house games.
Also the shortage of the new generation consoles has assisted the Switch in some ways.
Literally today (working standby) a coworker asks "is that the thing that can also go on the TV? I wanna get one of those"
Apparently not everyone who wants one has one yet.
@SwitchForce Okay. Just giving my opinion. I'm not selling my switch and I still like it for what it is. Just ready to move onto something else. Don't see how that makes me a troll.
It does feel like the Switch is a must-have and I've owned one since launch. Never been happier with a Nintendo console, tbh.
I wonder if Sony and Xbox have intentionally delayed certain games knowing they don’t have a player base worthwhile enough to waste an exclusive? If God of War 2 was released now, it could be on sale by the time PS5’s are sitting on shop shelves.
Likewise what’s the point of Nintendo releasing a new console when they’re still selling Animal Crossing, Ring Fit, and Mario Kart 8. At this moment in time I think we’re all just happy to have games to play, and a new console would make that worse, not better.
I really want to love the Nintendo Switch and yet no amount of really good (really good) software can cover up the shonky job they did with the Joycons, the save deletion bug in Animal Crossing that still hasn't been patched and the utterly useless game sharing policy that means any additional consoles you buy need to be connected to the internet to play your eshop purchases which is the dumbest design decision ever for a PORTABLE CONSOLE.
So this gen I wash my hands and go back to Microsoft who have a straightforward game sharing feature, the ability to play all my Xbox games on my phone with a controller and a proper online network.
@Steifybobbins I dont care, because at the time of selling it I use the money for other things I need during that time and when I buy it again, I have enough money to not have to care or else I wouldnt be doing it.
@Arkay imagine if companies operated in "just good enough"
I never really had much of an issue with the old tech of the Switch. I see the Switch as an extension of the Game Boy's development ethos: lateral thinking with withered technology. And the Game Boy is my favourite system of all time! Also I haven't owned a competitor's console since the PS3 so I have no other point of comparison. I'm having a good time in my little corner, that's all that matters to me.
I need to buy a new one because my kickstand, the plastic around the docking port and the joycon are all broken. Perhaps it sells well because lots of people need to buy a replacement after a few years, even with careful, light use.
Except for the slow eshop, I haven't noticed the Switch aging at all. That's likely because it has successfully defined itself into its own little world, and if it's still your main gaming system, then it's still delivering the same quality since launch day. That is so unique and has built a great reputation, is also why it keeps selling.
I love my switch lite and it is just right for me and I am a mom of three so when my game is getting played I know I can pick it up and get to play with it love it 😉
Definitely still seems like a hot product to me. I wish more people I knew would get one
I love my Switch, have so many games in my backlog that I don't see the point in another console. Just praying that whenever a more powerful upgraded Switch comes along it will be backwards compatible, they'd be crazy not to!
@Chunkboi79 Aren't we already there? With games being released in broken states? Truly horrifying!
@NEStalgia
Nintendo handhelds have sold extremely well in the past even with legitimate competition (Game Gear, PSP, PS Vita).
Maybe, just maybe, people bought the Switch because if it's own merits and appeal, not because "Nintendo got lucky and the Switch is the only _____ on the market."
I love my Switch. I'm a Switch only gamer and I have more than enough to play for the near future. The variety of games on the console is amazing. It's my favorite console of all time. It got me back into gaming after quitting for a few years. I just want a more powerful Switch so moving forward we don't have anymore of this "it's only on Xbox/PS/PC" crap that sometimes still happens.
Simple: the next generation is boring! I keep looking for a reason to own a PS5 and, with the exception of the Demon Souls remake, I’m coming up empty. Do either of the next Gen consoles even have a must have exclusive, a year in? I’m not really understanding the demand. All I see are games being stretched out across multiple generations (GTAV), and games like Resident Evil 8 that have released on both PS4 and PS5.
What am I missing?
@westman98 I specifically said it was "a pretty nice handheld" and "no replacement for it right now" though. 🧐
My point wasn't that it might not have sold well in the face of competition, just because my point is that is has absolutely none and is good at what it does do while the article missed that entirely and tried wringing it's hands futilely explaining it as a console among consoles. Ultimately it's mediocre home console with a very high TCO, but it's a pretty good handheld. It's what vita wanted to be. It's not like Nintendo disagrees with that point, the new model is exclusively about making its handheld functions more appealing. They're saying with money what I'm saying with text.
@RadioHedgeFund Isn't the switch game sharing identical to PS and XB though? Not trolling, I use it on all 3 and it seems identical (which shocked me with Nintendo, really ...)
There is no other console like the Switch. That's one of the reasons why it's still a hot seller.
Some mobile devices are more powerful than the Switch, but they encounter three fatal flaws that prevent them from being a real competitor:
They also lack controllers packaged with the phone, they lack physical mediums to save storage, most no longer use microSD, and some phones run into legal issues.
As for the Steam Deck, it could serve as a competitor in theory, if it wasn't a scary thing to bring around. Storage is a big concern.
@BloodNinja So you haven't played the Switch since January, yet you come to Nintendolife all the time and post frequently...
@kingbk The actions don't seem codependent.
I like my Switch but it is getting up there in age and compared to my Series S and the PS5 you can really tell. Its still fun and I can't wait for BotW2 but I also can't wait to see what they do next hardware wise.
I am kind of over the docking/undocking aspect of the Nintendo Switch and I now mainly play it to scratch that Nintendo gaming itch and play some other third party games simply because I can't afford to buy a PS5 right now. I am mostly interested in one of those besides my Nintendo games.
@Arkay does that justify a lack of innovation?
Appreciate the write up! It’s tiring to constantly see people claiming the Switch is only a success because the PS5 and XSX are out of stock.
@BanjoPickles Well the PS5 has Returnal what is easily one of the best games this year and a true next gen game what takes full advantage of everything the PS5 can do especially the 3D Audio and Duel Sense controller what makes it ultra immersive. You also have Ratchet and Clank what while nothing new gameplay wise is a fantastic game what looks insanely stunning. Dying Light 2 is also out next year for everything what isn't a Switch but its rumoured last gen versions aren't great and its best you play on current consoles or PC.
On Xbox's side you have Flight Sim what while just a Flight Sim it is one what has the entire world to explore to point where you can find your house. You also have Forza Horizon 5 what while yes is on X1 is best played on a Series console due to the jaw dropping visuals.
Really the real selling point of current gen consoles right now is the 60fps performances what is standard now and the SSD's what make loading times either non existent or really short. You also have all the new immersive features as well on PS5 with the Duel Sense controller and 3D Audio. Finally as expected visuals are just a ton better as well.
Even tho i am kinda bored with my switch (first gen) i get why its still a hot item. Its a hybrid console to take with u. I wont put an ps5 or series x in my bag lol.
I only play smashbros almost everyday.
Other new games i buy on my gaming laptop.
Switch for me now is only for first party titles.
@GrailUK Happy for you if you get one, but dang if I don’t just love my OG model! 😃 (Got mine in 2017, but 8 months after launch.)
Until games look or perform noticeably better on new hardware, I suspect I’ll remain in a committed relationship with my original Switch.
@The-Chosen-one You played most of the first party games already? Link’s Awakening?
Speaking if Zelda, I also recommend Kamiko. Simple sure, but cozy. Don’t know why but loved it and I’m probably gonna play through it again. (Yeah it was eventually released on steam a couple years later, but I view it as a Switch game. Opposite for Mystik Belle, but since I’m on Mac, I got it for Switch.)
You don’t have to respond to my late-night nonsense lol.
@BlubberWhale
No that game i havent played had some doubts about links awakening.
I am waiting for Pokemon arceus in januari was it? I am not a pokemon fan lol, but that game got my attention.
There are still some games i want, but wait till next month. My wallet is already burning lol.
@WallyWest
Thanks for the comment. I totally forgot about Returnal, which was a game I was curious about.
I don’t know what it is, but I have yet to get excited about the current generation. I’m sure it’ll change eventually.
@NEStalgia If my account is on 2-3 different Xbox or PlayStation consoles around my house anyone else logged in can play the games I have purchased without limits with their own saves, profiles etc.
With the Switch it gets tougher. Say I buy a Lite model for myself and leave the main one for the family. If I make the Lite console my 'Primary' console none of my purchases (even free games like Fortnite!) will work on the family console. If I set the family console as my Primary my Switch Lite has to be connected to the internet to play any of my purchases.
A portable console that needs a constant internet connection isn't very portable. I took mine back to the shop on this very basis.
The Nintendo Switch Lite is the greatest handheld video game console of all time because it’s stylish, has the greatest game software library and the greatest game catalogue for RPGs for any device. There is something for everyone on the Switch, whether it be new or retro, Nintendo or third party, casual and hardcore games. I also love how there are always discounts for at least one decent game on the Switch eShop every week. The Switch is Nintendo and gaming in general at it’s finest. I just hope Nintendo brings out an OLED version of the Switch Lite.
The Switch’s successor will have a very tough act to follow.
@IronMan30 love the avatar. Bill Hicks was a big Nintendo gamer too. He would have loved the Switch.
@RadioHedgeFund Hmm, AFAIK it's the same on all of them, only the "Home Xbox", "Primary PS4/5", "Primary Switch" stores your licenses locally, so anyone logged into that primary console can play your games, and you can play your games logged into any other console with an online checkin.
I can see how on Switch that could be a problem depending on how you want to use it. Though they're certainly not going to go out of their way to facilitate using a game license on multiple consoles, I thought it was miraculous that Nintendo actually allowed it to work the same as it does on other consoles. I figured being Nintendo they'd block that actively somehow. They're probably spending R&D cash right now to figure out how to block that next gen.
But what you described for PSXB doesn't sound right. You're saying all 3 consoles act like a "primary" and anyone logged in can play your games? That's....not supposed to work like that. It sure doesn't for me! Anyone logged into your primary can play your games, but only you logged into a second unit would (should?) be able to see your games (with online checkin.)
Still, I see why Switch doesn't work for you. I do use it that way, but yeah, not in an out and about context.
Absolutely still a hot commodity!
@NEStalgia I have 3 Xboxen and as long as my gamertag is on them all then others can play my downloads no problem. Having to be connected to the internet isn't an inconvenience on a home console.
Nintendo's ***** requirement for a portable to require it is one of the dafest things theyve ever done.
@NEStalgia
"while the article missed that entirely and tried wringing it's hands futilely explaining it as a console among consoles."
> A Competitive Range of Prices
> All About That Aspirational Lifestyle
> There Are So Many Games
> You Can Actually Find Them In Stores
> Mass Appeal, The 'Blue Ocean' Etc...
None of these points are about how Switch is better than PS5/XBS as a console.
@RadioHedgeFund I share your concerns, tho I won’t go as far as saying that these issues are unforgivable for the console.
@RadioHedgeFund Huh, I swear it doesn't work that way for me. If I'm on a second xbox or PS I have to be online or it won't let me play (when their servers are down, I just play the opposite system because I'm locked out of my games on #2.) I haven't tried having a player that isn't me play my games on the second console, or at least not recently. Maybe that DOES work, but I don't THINK it does. That's weird but cool if it's actually working that way for you.
Does PS do that for you too? I'm annoyed at PS because you can't even do that at all with Remote Play, you can only connect to your primary. Xbox lets you connect to any.
@westman98 But all those points are really comparing it as a console. Even the Aspirational Lifestyle point seems to focus more on couch coop instead of handheld. It's a really weird article in that regard. It doesn't make any point at all about it being the only handheld.
TBH I don't think I'd recommend a Switch to anyone as a TV console unless they were truly tethered to Nintendo's IPs. It's just not that compelling a home console at its price point or the TCO of it's library. If you want a handheld you can put on your TV, it's the top dog. If you want a console but really need it to go portable, and streaming isn't an option, it'll suffice. If you just want a home console but NEED Mario, settle for a Switch. If you just want a home console and none of that matters, it's really a terrible option. You pay more to get less.
But I still think it's more enticing as a handheld than Steam Deck, and both are terrible needless compromises on the TV if you don't primarily use the handheld functionality.
Considering Lite is ONLY a handheld, and OLED is PRIMARILY a handheld given the focus of its improvements that caused a price increase, and OG is probably on its way out the door after this holiday, #1 on this list really should be "Because it's a handheld." That's the principal incentive to buy it. Second incentive would be because of strong attachment to Nintendo IPs. The rest of the list, is really fluff after the first two. "Blue ocean" and "you can actually find them" probably factor in somewhat as well, but it's still secondary to those two top reasons.
@NEStalgia
Regardless of whether you think the Switch is a terrible console + good handheld or not, all of those reasons that this article lists apply to handhelds, consoles, and hybrids alike (pricing + adaptibility + software lineup + availability + blue ocean appeal).
The #1 reason is the exclusive software lineup as it usually always is.
@westman98 Disagree there. I think compelling hardware tops software lineup, and I think WiiU really helped solidify that. "Software sells hardware" is an old, but somewhat relevant metric. But with WiiU we had hardware that nobody wanted at any price combined with a pretty compelling software lineup, and it failed miserably. The hardware has to be desirable above all else. Switch, because of it's handheld, and dockable handheld nature is desirable AND has a compelling library. WiiU had the library (at first) but not the desirable hardware. Vita had desirable hardware that fell flat with memory pricing, and on top of it, failed to build a comeplling library.
I could see the argument you need BOTH, but post-WiiU I don't think we can ride on "software before hardware" as a standard.
@NEStalgia
Wii U did not really have a very appealing software lineup, especially early in its lifecycle.
@westman98 WiiU started with a good lineup. Solid third party support, no big Nintendo game to launch, but numerous high profile games in the pipeline. And preorders sold out. It was after the holiday when the wheels came off the bus on console sales that other games started getting moved and cancelled when it was clear the hardware was stagnating. Rayman was supposed to be the first big exclusive to get it going, and that died quickly, and it just kept tumbling. Initially it didn't have a problem, but the bad turns turned into a freefall to the point that even Kart couldn't stop the bleeding.
@NEStalgia
"Solid third party support, no big Nintendo game to launch,"
And therein lies the problem. People buy Nintendo hardware for Nintendo software, not overpriced/lackluster old ports of 3rd party content.
I'm not saying the Wii U's awful marketing and name didn't hurt it, because it most certainly did, but its 1st party exclusive software lineup was lackluster from the beginning and only somewhat improved when it was too late.
@westman98 True. But if that hardware were the switch I'm not sure it would have mattered. People just didn't want that hardware, even if they wanted the games. Heck PS4 launched with Jack squat and it smashed records. The hardware was more appealing than wiiu....
"It may seem improbable to us that millions of people are still buying the Switch..."
This article makes it sound like most Switch fans/owners think this way, but I don't think that's the case at all. I think the opposite is true for anyone who has a small amount of objectivity and can see how successful and popular the system is. It's definitely still a hot item and this article was the first time I've seen it even hinted that the opposite could be perceived as true.
@NEStalgia
Switch would have outperformed Wii U no matter what, buy I'm not sure Nintendo Land and NSMBU would have driven it's early success nearly as much as Breath of the Wild or Mario Kart 8 DX did.
Not sure why you bring up PS4 as the dynamics between Nintendo and Sony platforms differ greatly. For PlayStation, 3rd party content is the driving force of their success, and the PS4 launched with a bunch of 3rd party games.
@rockodoodle There are a mountain of issues I have with the Switch. Joycon drift should have been Nintendo's RROD but it never seemed to have gotten that far. Their online service and game sharing remains a joke. I still have an ongoing Animal Crossing save corruption issue that they haven't patched and 6 months of back-and-forth emails with NOE didn't get me a refund. (Its not my console because this is the only game affected)
Its a pain because I still really like their games. Thus I dug my Wii out, bought it an HDMI dongle and went back to a happier time.
@RadioHedgeFund I don’t mind online being a joke bc it is so cheap. But yeah, the joycon issue is unquestionably a black eye on the system. I bet I don’t even have two thousand hours on the system and I have gone through two sets of joy ones.
@rockodoodle The thing is if it was anyone other than Nintendo there would be hell to pay and yet we give them a free pass, partially out of sentiment and partially out of how bloody good their games continue to be. It annoys me no end I can't take any enjoyment out of the Switch because for me to use it I need to be tethered to the TV with a chinese knock-off Pro controller I bought on Amazon which is amazing.
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