OlympicCho wrote:

Well, I don't understand where you're going with it, that's for sure. If self-reference is supposed to be funny, then the joke went well over my head, and in my opinion, a joke that needs to be explained is never a good joke at all.

I don't "get" physical or stoner humor, or most Americian comedies, actually. My wife doesn't "get" British comedy because stuff like Monty Python is filled with wordplay humour that is difficult for anyone who isn't a native English speaker.

Something can still be a comedy or self-referential criticism without every single person on the planet "getting it." It's possible to write academic essays on the sociological existence and psychology behind otaku games like the Atelier series. Calling them juvenile entertainment is doing them a deep disservice.

Mickeymac wrote:

OlympicCho wrote:

Well, I don't understand where you're going with it, that's for sure. If self-reference is supposed to be funny, then the joke went well over my head, and in my opinion, a joke that needs to be explained is never a good joke at all.

I don't "get" physical or stoner humor, or most Americian comedies, actually. My wife doesn't "get" British comedy because stuff like Monty Python is filled with wordplay humour that is difficult for anyone who isn't a native English speaker.

Something can still be a comedy or self-referential criticism without every single person on the planet "getting it." It's possible to write academic essays on the sociological existence and psychology behind otaku games like the Atelier series. Calling them juvenile entertainment is doing them a deep disservice.

Pffft, you can bullcrap any report you want, doesn't mean it's deep. You're just overselling a series you like just so you can exclude them from the rest of the rotting pile that is the modern JRPG.

OlympicCho wrote:

Mickeymac wrote:

OlympicCho wrote:

Well, I don't understand where you're going with it, that's for sure. If self-reference is supposed to be funny, then the joke went well over my head, and in my opinion, a joke that needs to be explained is never a good joke at all.

I don't "get" physical or stoner humor, or most Americian comedies, actually. My wife doesn't "get" British comedy because stuff like Monty Python is filled with wordplay humour that is difficult for anyone who isn't a native English speaker.

Something can still be a comedy or self-referential criticism without every single person on the planet "getting it." It's possible to write academic essays on the sociological existence and psychology behind otaku games like the Atelier series. Calling them juvenile entertainment is doing them a deep disservice.

Pffft, you can bullcrap any report you want, doesn't mean it's deep. You're just overselling a series you like just so you can exclude them from the rest of the rotting pile that is the modern JRPG.

You can pretend academic thought is "bullcrap" all you want. If you want to think about games, anime, manga and whatever else as nothing mroe than entertainment, that's your choice.

That doesn't invalidate the analysis by people who approach games as an art form.

zezhyrule wrote:

Well, that's pretty much entirely due to hardware limitations of early gaming consoles so... it's expected