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Raiko

I assume you all mean you're very 'particular', rather than medically diagnosed as having OCD. There's a huge difference!

Getting back on topic, I hate that the other two consoles don't allow you to completely hide trophies/achievements from the system. It's easy enough ignoring them, but if you ever want to look back through the games you've played on PS4 or Xbox one, it will remind you just how many (or few) trophies you've unlocked. It's designed to make you feel like you've not extracted the most from those games. To encourage you to go back and play them, regardless of how much (or little) you enjoyed them. They're also, universally, very poorly implemented.

Achievements usually fall under 2 or 3 categories. Firstly, they little more than acknowledgements of reaching checkpoints within games. "You've finished the 3rd chapter", etc... These achievements are pretty much redundant in my eyes. You're either going to complete the game or you're not. Patting the player on the back for reaching the half way point in a game, difficult or otherwise, does not make the experience of playing any more rewarding. In some cases it can actually spoil the length of the game as you know in advance how many trophies are likely referring to these milestones within the game.

The second kind of trophies often require the completion of mundane tasks, often repetitive, such as collecting 200 hidden items or invading other players games 80 times! That's artificial padding. Rewarding the player for completing tasks that are completely void of any kind of mental stimulation or any sense of achievement on their own. We often aim for these trophies because the console we're playing on tells us we've completed 88% of the game and that we're so close to completing it 100%!

Finally, you get those ridiculously easy trophies that exist purely to cement the game in your profile's game list for all eternity. Why? Because your games list, which is dressed up to be a list of achievements to gloat about, is actually an advertisement for every game you've ever played. It's there to encourage your friends to go out and buy those games to. That's why you need that first achievement to ensure that, whether the player enjoyed the game or not, it appears in their hall of fame for all their friends to see.

That's not to say I think achievements and game lists are devious. I actually enjoying seeing what my friends play. That's why the activity log on Switch is so good. However, the platforms that do have achievement systems constantly remind you of how few trophies you have for the games you've played. This can make you feel as if you didn't get the most out of a particular game, even though yo're sure you didn't actually enjoy it all that much. In the end you start persevering with games you'd otherwise never play, doing silly things like taking out 50,000 zombies, which is a shame as you could be spending your time playing something far more enjoyable.

And it's that which the consoles do not hide. You can hide trophy notifications, but when you're looking at your game collection, or a friends collectionyou are constantly reminded of your trophy progress with those games, and that will irk anybody who likes to get the most out of the games they love.

If the Switch introduces trophies, that's fine. Just make sure you can completely hide them from view to those who think they're awful. And when I say completely hidden, I don't want to see anything other than the number of hours that I or anyone else has put into a particular game.

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LossyQuote

Raiko wrote:

@Raiko I assume you all mean you're very 'particular', rather than medically diagnosed as having OCD. There's a huge difference!

I'm sorry but I am diagnosed with OCD. Maybe you didn't read my posts on the previous page, but I thought I made myself clear.

Raiko wrote:

Just make sure you can completely hide them from view to those who think they're awful. And when I say completely hidden, I don't want to see anything other than the number of hours that I or anyone else has put into a particular game.

Maybe a feature like this might work for people like me. Not sure, but it's an interesting thought.

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Raiko

I clearly have read back on the previous page. I mean no offence!

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Lethal

NaviAndMii wrote:

Lethal wrote:

I have OCD and I view the trophy lists for each game I play. I then decide if I feel I am able to achieve all the trophies in the game.

That's...not how OCD works. If you don't feel an obsessive compulsion to complete said task(s) - you do not have Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (..or, at least, not in this area of your life)

I know how ocd works. You for some reason think nobody can have control over it and that it must refer to everything in life needing to be complete 100%. Silly rabbit....

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LossyQuote

Raiko wrote:

I clearly have read back on the previous page. I mean no offence!

None taken. But yes, let's get back on topic please.

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Raiko

@lethal In your case that all sounds like being particular. I know a few people with OCD and they have to repeat certain things over and over again or check things repeatedly because they can't convince themselves its ok.

I stayed up one evening with a friend who parked a chair in front of his oven because although he could see all the hobs were turned off, the moment he looked away he was no longer sure. He was in tears the whole time.

I've never seen OCD spill over into gaming. Not in terms of achievements, anyway. I know some people feel the urge to get them more than others, but I think that's more down to personality. The same reasons people continue to play games that are making then scream with anger.

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spizzamarozzi

Raiko wrote:

@lethal In your case that all sounds like being particular. I know a few people with OCD and they have to repeat certain things over and over again or check things repeatedly because they can't convince themselves its ok.

The term OCD gets often used very lightly nowadays. People with true OCD can't live - their life is entirely ruled by the disorder, from eating to taking meds. Such people wouldn't even care that there's a checklist of things to do in a game - they have much harder challenges to endure.

OCD has become "generic psychological disorder #18" (in the past it was hysteria, paranoia, depression etc - all serious stuff that at some point in time was diagnosed to anybody who showed a peculiarity) and most people with some kind of fixation will be diagnosed with OCD nowadays - it's one way the health system sells meds, and it's one way modern society explains the little things that go beyond the norm.
This is based on my experience of more than a decade with people who truly had OCD (which was just one manifestation of a much complex disorder).

That said, shouldn't people with (true or supposed) OCD go and see a psychologist to cure it, rather than ask certain features to be removed from life? What if people with arachnophobia started asking to remove spiders from videogames? What if people with claustrophobia started asking to remove lifts from buildings?!

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Lethal

Well said Spizz

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LossyQuote

@Raiko @spizzamarozzi
Please don't hate me for this but I have to remove myself from this conversation going forward. It has become too uncomfortable to read posts like these in which I get the feeling I'm not believed.

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NaviAndMii

David Beckham is a famous OCD sufferer - he has to check his fridge every day before he goes out to make sure that all of the labels on its contents are front facing, even if he already knows for certain that they are. The condition affects him in other ways too (eg. he likes things to be especially neat and tidy) - and not at all in other areas of his life - but the fridge labels are his major 'hang up' and he simply cannot leave the house unless they are in order.

If @LossyQuote has a similar compulsion, but with Achievements - I'd say that that's a more than valid reason to want avoid them. It wasn't intended as a 'this is why I don't think that Nintendo should have them' kind of comment - simply just of an account as to why they, personally, appreciate not being exposed to something that may trigger some compulsive behaviour in themselves - and I thought it made for an interesting and honest read.

I, personally, don't much care for Achievements - largely because I find that the majority of them are either lazily implemented (ie. Complete Level 1 - well, duh? ) - or just not that 'fun' ..they just haven't contributed significantly to my gaming life, so I'm fairly apathetic towards them.

...but it's interesting to hear peoples' opinions and experiences - especially if they differ greatly from my own - there's no 'right' or 'wrong' answer here, we each enjoy games in different ways at the end of the day

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Lethal

LossyQuote wrote:

@Raiko @spizzamarozzi
Please don't hate me for this but I have to remove myself from this conversation going forward. It has become too uncomfortable to read posts like these in which I get the feeling I'm not believed.

Or just don't let it bother you. Who are we anyways? Some names on a forum? Don't worry about our opinions so much.

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LossyQuote

Lethal wrote:

Or just don't let it bother you. Who are we anyways? Some names on a forum? Don't worry about our opinions so much.

Alright, one more post on this topic and then I'm truly gone. @Lethal Through your above quote I can clearly see you have no idea what OCD is and what it does to one's mind.
Also, OCD is a chronic disease. There is no cure. And yes, I personally go to a psychologist, which helps to live a normal life... to a certain extent.

Now please, PRETTY PLEASE, move on from this and go back on topic. Thank you.

And @NaviAndMii , thank you for the support!

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MarcelRguez

This thread is still going places, I see.

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Octane

@LossyQuote Out of curiosity, do you complete every game you play 100%?

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rallydefault

It's/he's back!

(In reference to Voldemort... and, in a fairly similar vein, this thread)

Guys... you're all just going to keep getting mad at each other. There's no right answer here, and it's pretty much just pitting two opposing viewpoints on life against one another. Neither stance is right or wrong - it's just a big ol' battle of opinions back and forth, and some of you are seriously getting your feelings hurt. Please step away. All of us.

Or someone like @Octane be the bigger person and just lock this thing before it consumes us all.

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Lethal

LossyQuote wrote:

Lethal wrote:

Or just don't let it bother you. Who are we anyways? Some names on a forum? Don't worry about our opinions so much.

Alright, one more post on this topic and then I'm truly gone. @Lethal Through your above quote I can clearly see you have no idea what OCD is and what it does to one's mind.
Also, OCD is a chronic disease. There is no cure. And yes, I personally go to a psychologist, which helps to live a normal life... to a certain extent.

Now please, PRETTY PLEASE, move on from this and go back on topic. Thank you.

And @NaviAndMii , thank you for the support!

You have no idea what I know. You do not know me. But you can think what you want buddy.

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LossyQuote

@Octane I have the urge to do so yes. And when I, for some reason, can't complete it 100% it makes me sick. I won't be able to sleep, it takes over my thoughts and my life to the point I have no other option than to delete the game from my library. In extreme cases I've even gone as far as deleting my account on the service I was using and create a whole new one, only because I didn't want to get reminded of my failure. That also means having to re-buy most of the library I had build up by then.
Luckily things have improved the last couple of years.

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Octane

@rallydefault Alright, after that last post I'm convinced that's the right thing to do

Edit: Ninja'd, the post before that one.

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