@Dang_69 Skyward Sword sold lower than those because the formula was worn out by then for people and it was at the tail end of the Wii's life, when it had lost all its momentum. Go watch videos of the devs talking about Breathe of the Wild. They had wanted to bring Zelda back to its exploration roots for a while and the power of the Switch really let them take a crack at it. It absolutely was not a "course correction" in reaction to the fans. It was them trying to make a 3D zelda more in line with the original game. Even the proof of concept was done in a Zelda 1 mockup. I'm sure it did help motivate them to change things up that Skyward didn't sell as great as the previous entries, but I don't think that was necessarily on the game itself (which has now sold more on switch than it did on Wii). Timing is everything (for example: Twilight Princess sold as well as it did because it was on 2 consoles and was a launch game for the Wii (Also same timing that BotW benefited from). Also people STILL complained about it because it was too similar to Ocarina...and people complained about Wind Waker because the graphics were too cartoony. Nintendo fans complain every time no matter what Nintendo does). It was not a "course correction". It was them trying to make an open world, exploratory Zelda more in line with the series roots.
As for the dungeons in Tears, I actually agree with you. I wish it had those old style dungeons as well. However, that's not really what the design philosophy of the game is about (which is exploration), and it still has more puzzles than any other 3D zelda before it, between the quests and shrines etc. There are over 100 shrines in each of them, many of them containing those Zelda puzzles we grew to love from the earlier games. You're not going to get everything all the time, and Tears still has the best designed open world of all time, not to mention they changed it up significantly from BotW with the building and zonai devices. They're trying new things because they've already done variations on the Water Temple from Ocarina. The goal of a thing being different than your expectations for what you want it to be doesn't mean it sucks or is bad at what it is. And it's fine that they don't line up. But Nintendo fans still find a way to complain about literally everything, including some of the greatest games ever made, just because it's not exactly what you want. Not everything is always going to be what you want.
@Dang_69 You are literally the poopy diaper Nintendo fan who always complains no matter what. First off, Skyward Sword was no more linear than Twilight Princess or Ocarina. Secondly, they didn’t “course correct” with BotW. They were not being reactionary to the whims of salty fans.They did something with that game and Tears that they hadn’t done since the first Zelda. They weren’t trying to “correct” anything: they wanted to do something different and bring Zelda back to its roots of exploration. If you want big sprawling dungeons, go play the old ones. Through the shrines alone both of those games have more dungeon/puzzle content than any other 3D Zelda game, but if a game doesn’t meet your impossible standards of “exactly like how I want it, which is like the old ones, but also something fresh and different” (which they already did btw, with majora’s, wind waker etc), then you guys just poop your diapers.
They did FIVE Zelda games in the style of Ocarina. Personally? I’m okay with them radically changing things because we’ve already seen that type of game. Tears doesn’t have the sprawling dungeons like ocarina, but ya know what it does have? The best open world ever in a video game. So was something lost from previous games? Sure! But they weren’t trying to do what those ones did: it had been done to death by then. It’s fundamentally a different type of game with different design goals. And something new and exciting was gained in the trade off. You simultaneously want it to be “new, but not too new!” You don’t actually want new experiences. You’re in the minority on Tears of the kingdom btw. Most people absolutely loved that game (and sales show this style of Zelda is waaaay more popular than the old 3d style, so people like it).
It’s especially funny because Nintendo has shown time and again that they deserve the benefit of the doubt when they change things up. They’ve been churning out some of the best games ever made for 40 years now. The new Prime game isn’t even out and you guys are already pooping your diapers because of seconds of footage from a trailer in what is going to be an hours long game, from a team that has already had npcs in the last prime game (and it didn’t even ruin it!).
I don’t get people like you because you will never be satisfied and you need to learn to let go and realize it’s okay to take risks and for things to be different sometimes, even if it subverts your expectations in some way. That’s how we even got the franchises we love in the first place: not by playing it safe, but by trying something new. It’s not the end of the world when things don’t meet your expectations of what you think a game or franchise should be to an exact T. These are just video games. You’ll always have the old ones. The rest of us want new experiences and are fine with change.
@Dang_69 All I see are a bunch of poopy diaper babies on this website complaining about the Switch 2 and a racing game being different in its mechanics than Mario Kart. We're getting 4 big 1st party games within the span of like 5/6 months of a brand new console, including a new 3D Donkey Kong, the first one in 26 years. People can not buy stuff, I have no problem with that. But Nintendo fans are spoiled babies who don't realize how good they've got it.
The complaints are never ending from you diaper poopers, and they're not even good complaints. Everything goes in cycles. First they hate that zelda is the same as Ocarina, then they hate that it's new and different with an open world. They hate when something is new, but they also constantly hate when something is the same. I'm glad they're not the ones making the games, because they have the processing power of 3 year old pants poopers.
A lot of people here need their diapers changed. Poopy diaper Nintendo fans are the most spoiled fans in gaming. A lot of babies here didn't live through the WiiU era or the second half of the Wii.
If game prices kept up with inflation they'd be $120 a game right now. Games have been $60 for nearly two decades. Everything else in the world has gone up in price over those 2 decades. And in the world of trade wars and economic uncertainty anyone who thinks game prices aren't going to go up doesn't know what they're talking about.
@JaxonH Sure thing bud. There's plenty of articles out there that sift through the data (you can look stuff up yourself too!), most often from the World Trade Organization. The numbers from the Trump admin are BS and made up.
Here's one I found from Reuters, compiling WTO data into a graphic. For example: the trade-weighted average tariffs from Japan on US imports is actually only 1.9%. So the fact that trump is retaliating with over 20% is insane. Most tariff rates are below 10% around the world. And nobody does blanket tariffs on all imports. That's insane.
This website also compiles WTO data into an infographic. It's not a well known news outlet like Reuters, but the data they're taking is from the WTO and seems consistent with what I've seen elsewhere: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/tariff-rates-by-country/
Something to always keep in mind too: Trump has paid out millions for defrauding people, he's claimed bankruptcy 6 times. He's a convicted felon for hush money payments. He tried to use a fake elector scheme to overthrow the 2020 election. He is not an honest man. Take everything coming out of his admin with the biggest grain of salt.
@Spider-Kev Trade deficits are not inherently a bad thing. That idea lacks any understanding of economics. Plenty of countries with great economies have a trade deficit. You're just parroting debunked talking points. The USA, for the last 80 years, has been the primary beneficiary of the current free trade order, more than any other country on the planet. The dollar is the world reserve currency, which is the most privileged position we could be in. We import so much because we're the richest country in the world, and we love buying stuff.
As for the industry and manufacturing talking point: we are currently at 4% unemployment. We are fully employed as a country. We don't have the people to work those jobs. And we're working better, higher paying jobs now than when we worked lower level manufacturing jobs. A nursing or office job is better than a coal digging or assembly line widget job. Those jobs are not coming back and WE DON'T want those jobs back. We don't have the people to work them and our workers work better jobs now. Our manufacturing jobs are better now: we take all the small widgets we used to make and combine them into something of higher value. Our economy has moved up the scale to become more of a services, tech, and higher level manufacturing one.
Autarky: or an economy that produces everything on its own, is impossible. Any time it's been tried in history it's backfired spectacularly.
Lastly: Biden actually had the highest manufacturing job increase for a President in literally decades. Already layoffs are happening as a result of Trump's tariffs.
@Spider-Kev No you have wrong information. Raising tariffs on other countries is not going to force those countries to lower their own. In fact they are going to RAISE them. The EU has already announced that. So much for that argument
We have (or HAD) amazing trade partnerships with the EU along with Mexico and Canada. Not to mention none of the world has placed blanket tariffs on us. Trump doesn't understand how economics works and placing massive blanket tariffs on the world hurts everybody and results in a trade war with escalating import taxes (ie tariffs). The average EU tariff rate on the US is only 5%. Trump is imposing blanket 20% tariffs on them, along with 25% on steel and aluminum. Instead of negotiating trade with our allies like a real adult he's decided to be a schoolyard bully, and all those countries will retaliate.
There's a reason a hundred years ago the world moved away from tariffs as a primary form of government revenue. They contributed to the Great Depression and they make the world a worse place for everybody. Prices globally will be raised and no one country's economy will ever be able to produce everything on its own. It's foolishness what he's doing.
I also just want to take a moment to point out that the USA has had the strongest economy in the world since WWII ended. We have been THE global and economic superpower. We have not been getting ripped off. That idea is just a total lie.
@JaxonH Just to be clear the reciprocal tariffs are not taxing other countries the same amount as they tax us. Many countries have 3% tariffs on us and Trump is retaliating with anywhere from 10% to upwards of 30%
@PikminMarioKirby If game prices kept up with inflation they'd be $120 a pop right now. In a world of economic uncertainty and tariffs this is understandable. Nintendo has baked in those higher costs to the sticker price.
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Re: Poll: So, Will You Be Getting Kirby Air Riders?
@Dang_69 Skyward Sword sold lower than those because the formula was worn out by then for people and it was at the tail end of the Wii's life, when it had lost all its momentum. Go watch videos of the devs talking about Breathe of the Wild. They had wanted to bring Zelda back to its exploration roots for a while and the power of the Switch really let them take a crack at it. It absolutely was not a "course correction" in reaction to the fans. It was them trying to make a 3D zelda more in line with the original game. Even the proof of concept was done in a Zelda 1 mockup. I'm sure it did help motivate them to change things up that Skyward didn't sell as great as the previous entries, but I don't think that was necessarily on the game itself (which has now sold more on switch than it did on Wii). Timing is everything (for example: Twilight Princess sold as well as it did because it was on 2 consoles and was a launch game for the Wii (Also same timing that BotW benefited from). Also people STILL complained about it because it was too similar to Ocarina...and people complained about Wind Waker because the graphics were too cartoony. Nintendo fans complain every time no matter what Nintendo does). It was not a "course correction". It was them trying to make an open world, exploratory Zelda more in line with the series roots.
As for the dungeons in Tears, I actually agree with you. I wish it had those old style dungeons as well. However, that's not really what the design philosophy of the game is about (which is exploration), and it still has more puzzles than any other 3D zelda before it, between the quests and shrines etc. There are over 100 shrines in each of them, many of them containing those Zelda puzzles we grew to love from the earlier games. You're not going to get everything all the time, and Tears still has the best designed open world of all time, not to mention they changed it up significantly from BotW with the building and zonai devices. They're trying new things because they've already done variations on the Water Temple from Ocarina. The goal of a thing being different than your expectations for what you want it to be doesn't mean it sucks or is bad at what it is. And it's fine that they don't line up. But Nintendo fans still find a way to complain about literally everything, including some of the greatest games ever made, just because it's not exactly what you want. Not everything is always going to be what you want.
Re: Poll: So, Will You Be Getting Kirby Air Riders?
@Dang_69 You are literally the poopy diaper Nintendo fan who always complains no matter what. First off, Skyward Sword was no more linear than Twilight Princess or Ocarina. Secondly, they didn’t “course correct” with BotW. They were not being reactionary to the whims of salty fans.They did something with that game and Tears that they hadn’t done since the first Zelda. They weren’t trying to “correct” anything: they wanted to do something different and bring Zelda back to its roots of exploration. If you want big sprawling dungeons, go play the old ones. Through the shrines alone both of those games have more dungeon/puzzle content than any other 3D Zelda game, but if a game doesn’t meet your impossible standards of “exactly like how I want it, which is like the old ones, but also something fresh and different” (which they already did btw, with majora’s, wind waker etc), then you guys just poop your diapers.
They did FIVE Zelda games in the style of Ocarina. Personally? I’m okay with them radically changing things because we’ve already seen that type of game. Tears doesn’t have the sprawling dungeons like ocarina, but ya know what it does have? The best open world ever in a video game. So was something lost from previous games? Sure! But they weren’t trying to do what those ones did: it had been done to death by then. It’s fundamentally a different type of game with different design goals. And something new and exciting was gained in the trade off. You simultaneously want it to be “new, but not too new!” You don’t actually want new experiences. You’re in the minority on Tears of the kingdom btw. Most people absolutely loved that game (and sales show this style of Zelda is waaaay more popular than the old 3d style, so people like it).
It’s especially funny because Nintendo has shown time and again that they deserve the benefit of the doubt when they change things up. They’ve been churning out some of the best games ever made for 40 years now. The new Prime game isn’t even out and you guys are already pooping your diapers because of seconds of footage from a trailer in what is going to be an hours long game, from a team that has already had npcs in the last prime game (and it didn’t even ruin it!).
I don’t get people like you because you will never be satisfied and you need to learn to let go and realize it’s okay to take risks and for things to be different sometimes, even if it subverts your expectations in some way. That’s how we even got the franchises we love in the first place: not by playing it safe, but by trying something new. It’s not the end of the world when things don’t meet your expectations of what you think a game or franchise should be to an exact T. These are just video games. You’ll always have the old ones. The rest of us want new experiences and are fine with change.
Re: Poll: So, Will You Be Getting Kirby Air Riders?
@Dang_69 All I see are a bunch of poopy diaper babies on this website complaining about the Switch 2 and a racing game being different in its mechanics than Mario Kart. We're getting 4 big 1st party games within the span of like 5/6 months of a brand new console, including a new 3D Donkey Kong, the first one in 26 years. People can not buy stuff, I have no problem with that. But Nintendo fans are spoiled babies who don't realize how good they've got it.
The complaints are never ending from you diaper poopers, and they're not even good complaints. Everything goes in cycles. First they hate that zelda is the same as Ocarina, then they hate that it's new and different with an open world. They hate when something is new, but they also constantly hate when something is the same. I'm glad they're not the ones making the games, because they have the processing power of 3 year old pants poopers.
Re: Poll: So, Will You Be Getting Kirby Air Riders?
A lot of people here need their diapers changed. Poopy diaper Nintendo fans are the most spoiled fans in gaming. A lot of babies here didn't live through the WiiU era or the second half of the Wii.
Re: "Don't Let Nintendo Ruin The Entire Industry" - Is $80 For Mario Kart World A Bridge Too Far?
@DarkCoolEdge you're very welcome bud.
If game prices kept up with inflation they'd be $120 a game right now. Games have been $60 for nearly two decades. Everything else in the world has gone up in price over those 2 decades. And in the world of trade wars and economic uncertainty anyone who thinks game prices aren't going to go up doesn't know what they're talking about.
Re: "Don't Let Nintendo Ruin The Entire Industry" - Is $80 For Mario Kart World A Bridge Too Far?
@JaxonH Sure thing bud. There's plenty of articles out there that sift through the data (you can look stuff up yourself too!), most often from the World Trade Organization. The numbers from the Trump admin are BS and made up.
Here's one I found from Reuters, compiling WTO data into a graphic. For example: the trade-weighted average tariffs from Japan on US imports is actually only 1.9%. So the fact that trump is retaliating with over 20% is insane. Most tariff rates are below 10% around the world. And nobody does blanket tariffs on all imports. That's insane.
https://www.reuters.com/graphics/USA-TRUMP/TARIFFS/jnpwjmqklvw/
This website also compiles WTO data into an infographic. It's not a well known news outlet like Reuters, but the data they're taking is from the WTO and seems consistent with what I've seen elsewhere:
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/tariff-rates-by-country/
Something to always keep in mind too: Trump has paid out millions for defrauding people, he's claimed bankruptcy 6 times. He's a convicted felon for hush money payments. He tried to use a fake elector scheme to overthrow the 2020 election. He is not an honest man. Take everything coming out of his admin with the biggest grain of salt.
Re: "Don't Let Nintendo Ruin The Entire Industry" - Is $80 For Mario Kart World A Bridge Too Far?
@Spider-Kev Trade deficits are not inherently a bad thing. That idea lacks any understanding of economics. Plenty of countries with great economies have a trade deficit. You're just parroting debunked talking points. The USA, for the last 80 years, has been the primary beneficiary of the current free trade order, more than any other country on the planet. The dollar is the world reserve currency, which is the most privileged position we could be in. We import so much because we're the richest country in the world, and we love buying stuff.
As for the industry and manufacturing talking point: we are currently at 4% unemployment. We are fully employed as a country. We don't have the people to work those jobs. And we're working better, higher paying jobs now than when we worked lower level manufacturing jobs. A nursing or office job is better than a coal digging or assembly line widget job. Those jobs are not coming back and WE DON'T want those jobs back. We don't have the people to work them and our workers work better jobs now. Our manufacturing jobs are better now: we take all the small widgets we used to make and combine them into something of higher value. Our economy has moved up the scale to become more of a services, tech, and higher level manufacturing one.
Autarky: or an economy that produces everything on its own, is impossible. Any time it's been tried in history it's backfired spectacularly.
Lastly: Biden actually had the highest manufacturing job increase for a President in literally decades. Already layoffs are happening as a result of Trump's tariffs.
Re: "Don't Let Nintendo Ruin The Entire Industry" - Is $80 For Mario Kart World A Bridge Too Far?
@Spider-Kev No you have wrong information. Raising tariffs on other countries is not going to force those countries to lower their own. In fact they are going to RAISE them. The EU has already announced that. So much for that argument
We have (or HAD) amazing trade partnerships with the EU along with Mexico and Canada. Not to mention none of the world has placed blanket tariffs on us. Trump doesn't understand how economics works and placing massive blanket tariffs on the world hurts everybody and results in a trade war with escalating import taxes (ie tariffs). The average EU tariff rate on the US is only 5%. Trump is imposing blanket 20% tariffs on them, along with 25% on steel and aluminum. Instead of negotiating trade with our allies like a real adult he's decided to be a schoolyard bully, and all those countries will retaliate.
There's a reason a hundred years ago the world moved away from tariffs as a primary form of government revenue. They contributed to the Great Depression and they make the world a worse place for everybody. Prices globally will be raised and no one country's economy will ever be able to produce everything on its own. It's foolishness what he's doing.
I also just want to take a moment to point out that the USA has had the strongest economy in the world since WWII ended. We have been THE global and economic superpower. We have not been getting ripped off. That idea is just a total lie.
Re: "Don't Let Nintendo Ruin The Entire Industry" - Is $80 For Mario Kart World A Bridge Too Far?
@JaxonH Just to be clear the reciprocal tariffs are not taxing other countries the same amount as they tax us. Many countries have 3% tariffs on us and Trump is retaliating with anywhere from 10% to upwards of 30%
Re: "Don't Let Nintendo Ruin The Entire Industry" - Is $80 For Mario Kart World A Bridge Too Far?
@DarkCoolEdge Learn about how the world economy works. Tariffs and economic uncertainty are factors on these prices.
Re: "Don't Let Nintendo Ruin The Entire Industry" - Is $80 For Mario Kart World A Bridge Too Far?
@PikminMarioKirby If game prices kept up with inflation they'd be $120 a pop right now. In a world of economic uncertainty and tariffs this is understandable. Nintendo has baked in those higher costs to the sticker price.