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@shgamer Got all those games you mentioned in my Steam library 👍
If you are getting into PC gaming sign your self up to the Epic Store and pick up this week's 2 free games. You will have quite a few free games in your library before you get your hands on your Steam Deck, Control was given away free a few months ago.. You don't need a PC to get the game's in your Epic library.
Also check out Humble Choice, 12 games a month for £8.46, includes Dirt 5,The Surge 2 and Yakuza 3 this month. Also Steam,Epic and even Ubisoft sales are very competitively priced

@johnvboy There seems to be a hell of a lot of people interested in a niche product

@datamonkey I wish the Switch controllers didn't detach as I feel it ruins the build quality.
Tbh I have never had any controller or handheld drift and I have a Switch and Vita, Xbox one/360 and series X and a PS4 and Switch Pro controllers.
I wander is the cause from being a bit heavy handed with the joy cons.

@NinChocolate Personally I don't think the Switch looks great, the Lite looks a lot better with the built in controller form but they both look kinda cheap. Much preferred the look and feel of the Vita

Another little thing and I am no Valve fanboy as I have criticised the company a lot in the past. How efffing often do we in the UK pay so much more for PC hardware. There seems to be a little bit of reward here for having a Steam library, totally sick of paying much more than the US for PC hardware. i am really impressed with the Steam Deck pricing as a UK customer.

A PC perspective view yes but a great view from PC enthusiasts who have played all the PC handhelds
https://youtu.be/60NGxX7m1Mw

@Ventilator It is funny when people say PC have no exclusives. PC handhelds have absolutely thousands of exclusives for handheld gaming.
Am I the only one that thinks that Nintendo has possibly the worse e store ever. You have to dig around there through hundreds of mobile style games just to find a decent quality game. I feel like I am on the android game store at times. I will buy 1st party Nintendo games I like, but no way would I pay £50 for a Wii game lol

@Ventilator I am a Humble Choice subscriber also. Luckily like you I am classic one as I get all 12 games for 12 dollars.
Yakuza 3 is also in the bundle this week👍

@Ventilator It kind on digs at me when people complain that it is a hundred dollars more expensive than Switch or 200 hundred more than the Lite because that is really not looking at the big picture. It might not be right for some people but this is much much cheaper gaming than Switch by an absolute country mile. Why on earth anyone that plays alot of 3rd party games would go for an OLED Switch over this if they have a perfective good Switch already. This opens up so much more gaming affordability. The Switch was actually oldish technology when it was released 4 years ago. I have an original 5 year old Nvidia Shield TV which has the same APU. To actually release an OLED model at such a high price shows a bit of real arrogance from Nintendo. Believe me Nintendo will not be happy about actually having a bit of competition in the handheld and hybrid market. This machine is 2 generations better than the Switch in terms of power.
It might be too big for some in size and battery life will only be 2 hours on the most demanding games . But I am actually getting excited about playing Black Mesa and the Half Life series again portably. Damn you can play Mass Effect 2 on a plane with 4 to 5 hours battery life .
Disco Elysium is one of the best games to come out in the last few years, I can play that on a plane or hotel.Very exciting times for portable gaming. This is big and opens up the closed mindedness of PC gaming being elitest, as you also have a perfectly good PS4 equal powered PC here for 1080p gaming.

A little example of jumping into PC gaming.Pevious free games on the Epic Store
Watchdogs 1 and 2
Star Wars Battlefront 2
Metro Redux and Last Light Redux
Control ( this is £50 just to play streamed on Switch)
Sonic Mania
Celeste
Metro Redux and Last Light Redux
The Batman Arkham trilogy
Borderlands 2 collection and Pre Sequal
GTA V
Darksiders Warmaster Edition
Darksiders 2
Blair Witch
City Skylines
Frost Punk
Jurrasic World Evolution
Kingdom Come Deliverance
Rage 2
Subnautica
Football Manager 202O
The Witness
Talos Principal
World War Z
Just Cause 4
Fez
Inside
I actually have 130 free Epic Store games in my Library including some cracking indie games available on Switch that are now portable games for me on the Steam Deck.
I know alot of people haven't picked up these games but Epic still give games away every week and you don't need a PC to snatch them up, free this week Obduction and Offworld Trading company.
In perspective the price of the Steam Deck is amazing value (only 50 dollars more than a Switch OLED that most of us Switch gamers don't even need) because for such little money you can build up a huge handheld gaming device library for next to nothing. Even the most expensive Deck is just amazing value for handheld gaming if you just look at the bigger picture of the money you will save on games.

@EriXz is that so?
Guess I missed that part, so aside from wifi how does the deck connects to the internet while for example, on a train or a bus while commuting from home to work or the other way around?

You could tether your 5G/4G connection from your phone. I have done it with my Switch in a hotel with bad wi-fi as PGA Tour 2K21 on Switch needs to be online even for the single player career mode.

@thegametb The Deck isn't going to run Cyberpunk well at all just like PS4 never will. But believe me it will run GTA V very well.

@EriXz Most PC games you don't have to be online, exactly like Switch. I can play 99% of my Steam library offline. And the Deck does have online play, maybe just read up a bit about it.

@CoffeeWithGames I don't think burn in will be a problem here even though people have had it on their OLED Vita's.
I have had it on Samsung AMOLED phones from using Google maps as my sat nav.
The problem there is the static icons on Google maps and the phones ambient lighting which really raises the brightness on sunny days. It shows though that only after a couple of hours you can have Google maps icons burned into the screen because my journeys are very rarely more than 2 hours.
Static icons in games and high brightness will be the cause of burn in. Nintendo software can prevent this I am sure.

@Wavey84 Let's hope it doesn't suffer from image retention like a lot of OLED Vita's have.
I had screen burn in on two Samsung Galaxy AMOLED phones.

@JaxonH Exactly, Valve not supporting it simple means they won't make an improved version. The Steam Deck is hardly gonna run out of new games. If you like the device and it feels comfortable it hardly is a risk buy if it doesn't sell well.

To compare the Deck to a Steam Machine is unrealistic. For one the Steam Machines were very expensive for what they were. You were paying a premium for a having a smaller PC. Aren't the PS5 and Series X bigger in size than most Steam Machines. You would never sell a Steam Machine to a PC gamer that already has a desktop. They will sell loads of these and they won't be able to keep up with demand because of the value of the system and the value of the games.
Look at the Oculus Quest 2 it has trounced every other VR headset because it is a great value device that has so many features, Air link is awesome. It is also stand alone as you don't need a PC to play it, just like the Steam Deck. I think the Quest 2 would be even more successful if there wasn't the Facebook requirement catch. People love great quality hardware that is versatile and affordable.

@Wexter But you also have to see the other side of this, a lot of Switch games are ports of old games that it generally can't play very well. The Deck is market for people who buy the Doom's Skyrim, The Outer Worlds, Borderland,Witcher 3 on their Switch or a lot of indie games. Because let's face it the Switch can't play certain games very well. The port of Trine games are ugly and downgraded. There is a big market of Switch players that buy those type of game to play portably. A lot of people will have a Switch for Nintendo exclusive and buy this a a beefy handheld to play these type of games.
I don't actually care for a Switch Pro as Nintendo games look good for what they are in 1080/720p. But everyone want a beefier Switch. This is a much more capable handheld that can play games well that the Switch just can't handle.
I am more than happy with both. I have a very good OLED screen on my phone, it doesn't look vastly superior for gaming than the Switch screen. A small OLED screen is just not in the same league as an OLED TV.
I still think the biggest selling point of Steam Deck is the games are so much cheaper on PC, you just can't look past that.

I think Outer Wilds is a game really suitable for portable play. Tbh there are literally hundreds of Steam games that would be really suitable for a small portable screen that are not available on Switch before we go into emulation. Retro Arch is free on the Steam store which is fantastic for emulation.

@Wexter I do see your point, my problem with BOTW is that I can't stop playing it if I start.

@Wexter So you think that BOTW is not suitable for handheld play then,?
It is as much a long winded RPG as Witcher 3 or Skyrim. I love the idea of playing all 3 in handheld.
BOTW sold many Switch consoles.

@SwitchForce. The Deck is Internet Required to Play what part of this does people forgot. You have to use it to register any games on Steam internet before you can play them. People seem to forget this. Everytime you launch Steam games you have to be connected. That to me is the biggest downside. Switch even if Digital is downloaded and played Offline option. So Deck already has a leg cut out from under it.

You say the Deck is internet required to play. No it is internet required to buy and download your games just like the Switch. You can play 99% of Steam games offline.
Who in 2021 doesn't have an internet connection to download games . Hardly a reason for most people not to buy a Steam Deck.
Also Steam has an offline mode so you don't have to be online to launch your games the same as Switch.
I wish people would stop spreading false information when they haven't got a clue what they're talking about.

I bought the Lite as my first Switch because the hybrid version was very hard to get at the time last year. I ended up getting the Switch for the option to play on a larger display also.
I found I didn't use the Light much because of it's smaller screen and it didn't have rumble feedback. Sold the Lite to a friend for a big loss as it just sat in my drawer.
I love the build of the Lite though, I don't like the fact that the Switch has detachable controllers as it just makes it feel a bit flimsy. The fact that the Deck doesn't is another selling point to me. I never take the controllers off the Switch as I bought the excellent Pro controller.

@rjejr It doesn't come with a dock because it needs to keep it's price lower. Which is a good thing for people that might already have a dock or would rather just hook it up with a cheap option like a £17 USB-C adapter. The option to buy an official dock or much cheaper alternative actually really benefits the customer.
I bought the high speed nvme ssd for it which will be super fast for games. I would rather place my money on that than paying extra for an included dock. It's a great thing to have options.
The 256 GB version I have ordered is under £480 with a £17 USB-c display adapter and believe me a laptop for that price is nowhere near the specs of a Steam deck. I am not sure you have any idea how good a bit of kit you are getting for your money. There are similar handheld hybrid gaming machines on PC for nearly double the money of a Steam Deck

@Rainz Hopefully it is built more like the PS Vita sticks which I have never had a problem with. The sticks do look a lot better than the Switch sticks which I really don't like.

@rjejr So you believe this should be compared to a Switch Lite price wise because you think nobody would use the hybrid function (I have seen USB-C display adapters as cheap as £17 today online).
I for one will be hooking it up to my 55 inch TV to play games at 1080p and indie 2D games at 4K and I own a desktop which I now wouldn't have to lug down the stairs to play games in my lounge or have to stream.

To say this won't hurt Nintendo at all is unrealistic. From a personal POV I have double dipped on Switch by buying games I own already on Steam to have a portable version. I was going to buy the new Ghost and Goblins game on Switch but will wait and buy it on a Steam sale now. Humble Bundle is insanely good value that seems too good to be true, as Humble Choice classic customer I get Yakaza 3, The Surge 2 and Dirt 5 and 9 indie games for 12 dollars this month. Anyone new to Steam gaming sign yourself up for Humble Choice as you own them games and a bit goes to charity also, you can thank me later. I don't think many people realise how cheap PC games are and a PC for under £500 that will play a lot of PC games at PS4 levels is fantastic value in the long run. I actually own 767 Steam games, I know it's sad lol but so many of those games will be playable on a handheld now. Can't wait to play Dirt Rally 2 on the go as there isn't any options for realistic racing games on Switch like you get on PC.
The only future Switch games I have any interest in are Metroid Dread and BOTW 2 so it's nice to own a Switch as those are 2 games that I am really looking forward to. I only started playing BOTW a few months ago and I think it is a fantastic game. Though in a small way Nintendo will be taking a little hit from me as I won't be paying Nintendo tax on 3rd party games anymore.

@Kirgo So if Skyward Sword was costing 200 dollars you wouldn't buy it. I am sure most of the Nintendo die hards wouldn't either for that price 😉

@Ludovsky Sales on PC are aggressive price wise because you have e stores competing against eachother which benefits the customer. Nintendo store is more expensive than any other e store because they have no competition mainly in the portable handheld market. Xbox has game pass which is fantastic value, PS store sales are better than on Switch. If a person owns a Switch and a Steam deck why would they buy the under performing more expensive Switch version of a game over the PC version on Steam Deck. This will hurt Switch 3rd party sales. This is actually a good thing for Switch owners who play 3rd party games as you might see more realistic pricing for old game ports.
I don't see Nintendo dropping their prices for first party games though. Releasing ancient Wii games at full price sums up the greed of the company to me. Skyward Sword and the Switch OLED are a rip off plain and simple, not sure how anyone can defend that kind of overpricing their products by Nintendo.

Check out the ONE-NETBOOK ONEXPLAYER HANDHELD PC REVIEWS as the Deck will perform very similar to that machine at the fraction of the cost

@Krysus Tbh this won't run Cyberpunk, it will run GTA 5 very well though.

@TheWingedAvenger I use Steam as it has the best library of past and current games available by a country mile. I bought a Switch for probably 8 Nintendo exclusives as the the 3rd party games on the device are very underwhelming or run like crap. The Nintendo e store is a mess also, filled with rubbish looking mobile type games. The worse thing is that most games on Switch are so overpriced. Even if I didn't have a Steam library the Steam Deck games are going to be so much cheaper.

@DTFaux The deck can be played in tabletop mode with any Bluetooth controller.
I am glad this doesn't have detachable controllers as the Switch always feels a bit flimsy for my liking because of the detachable controllers.

@MysteryCupofJoe Steam deck is more in line for power with PS4 and Xbox. But as it runs at a lower resolution it with run games at better framerates than those consoles.

@rjejr The Switch Lite can't be connected to a TV/monitor, for as little as £25 the Steam Deck can.

An hour and a half for my order to go through, I ordered the 256 nvme storage version, it really is worth it for the much quicker loading times of that fast SSD and larger storage for bigger games. I also have a 512gb SD card for indie and older games from my Steam library.

@plutoplatinum Yes you can use 3rd party docks or even a USB-C display adapter that costs about £25 if you're not worried about usb and ethernet connections. You don't have to use any official Steam hardware with it.
I will buy the £25 display adapter as I have a spare bluetooth keyboard and mouse in my drawer, also I can connect any bluetooth controller I like to it.

@Sahnec Did you have to cancel the pending order?

@ecco6t9 I think because the Shield was actually a tablet it was never in the portable handheld market(you needed the controller to play games). Also it was an android device limited to android games. I haven't touched mine in years, I think the misses uses it now and again as a tablet for online banking.

@moodycat Same here

@Wexter Price point of games is the more important factor in the long run. Switch games are ridiculously expensive, you are paying way over the odds for old game ports. I just can't believe the actual prices the store is asking for games just because it's a portable device.
People will save themselve a fortune on 3rd party games that will run way better than on a Switch.
So is the device more expensive if you intend to buy a lot of games.You don't have to own a PC to see how cheap you can get PC games for. To me the Switch is the most expensive gaming out there.

@Wexter AAA games are being released on Steam all the time. I see people buying this to actually play new games also. Most games come out on PC so you will have new games. The biggest problem for me with Switch is the lack of great games I haven't played, the Nintendo store is full of indie stuff more suitable to mobile gaming on your phone or old game ports.

@link422007 The bigger picture isn't that it is a bit more expensive than the OLED Switch it's that the games are a fraction of the price of equivalent Switch games.
PC gaming is the most affordable gaming and this will be the most affordable portable gaming also.

Also even if you don't have a Steam library, this and a Game Pass subscription is extremely cheap way to play handheld AAA games on the go. I think those thinking about the minor upgrade of an OLED model might think twice. I won't be buying the Switch OLED now as I am happy with my Switch just for first party games.

@Ejadaddy Because it is an affordable hybrid machine just like the Switch . Why wouldn't there be comparisons made, it is same market of hybrid gaming.

@SwitchForce Yes I am sure Nintendo will release a Pro version but not till they milk every penny from the OLED version.

@TanukiTrooper The Nvidia Shield TV is one of the best bits of hardware I have bought. Fantastic for streaming games and emulation.
The Shield has been a big success for Nvidia. I bought the original and still use it all the time.
GeForce Now being free for short game bursts is also great. Playing Shadow of the Tomb Raider yesterday on it, it ran brillianty

@progx If they sell the Steam dock 100 to 300 dollars they won't be selling many considering you can use this on 3rd party docks.
I think you are looking at about 80 dollars max when it is released.

@CivilMadman Not sure you can compare with PS Vita or PSP etc. This will always have new games as it is a PC. It doesn't need proprietary games to support it.
It is nice to have another affordable handheld. Bloody hell this thing is half the price of my phone.

@Wexter Of course the Switch will sell much better. But this is more for people who want to play AAA games rather than Animal Crossing on a handheld. PS and Xbox games can't be played on a handheld natively so it is not in competition with those consoles. I do think the fact that the games don't have Nintendo tax and also the option of a proper online experience are big selling points. Also Steam just has a much better library of quality games than the Switch. There is a greed about Nintendo that I just don't like. Selling slightly optimised Wii games at full price is a joke. High priced old 3rd party games just because they are portable is something else I don't like.