@NinjaNicky You do not understand what any of this means, functionally. Gender matters in Stardew Valley. It determines your pronouns and some gendered dialogue. It would be impossible to create a function in the game as it is where you simply type in your gender. 3 is fine, because, guess what, non-binary is an umbrella term! There’s a reason we’re asking specially for that instead of agender or demiboy or bi-gender or whatever else. It’s typically represented by “they/them” and Stardew doesn’t have they/them pronoun options yet. Hell, it doesn’t even have to be called non-binary! Male and female aren’t called that in-game, to my knowledge (save data has a true/false to save if you’re specifically male, which isn’t great, but I’m literally suggesting that he change that.) In the end, what actually matters is the expression of gender. 80 or so percent of the target audience has been fully and entirely fulfilled by he/him and she/her pronouns (including some of those “other genders” you like to wave around like a battle flag). Why not add they/them in a couple days and get to 99.9%?
And to answer your response to the other person, you need to yet again understand the concept of cost/benefit analysis. There are a lot of people asking for they/them pronouns. It would be extremely easy to implement. There is nobody seriously asking ConcernedApe to add furry representation to Stardew. It would be hard to implement. Do you get it? The developers have the ability to make decisions based on cost/benefit analysis. Our stance is that the benefits far outweigh the cost, and a lot of people seem to understand this concept… except you.
@NinjaNicky What you’re missing here is that it would be extremely easy to add (add a third gender button, change the way gender is saved from a boolean to a integer, and spend a couple days changing pronouns and gendered language in the script. Hell, literally just merge a pre-existing mod that’s already done all the work. It could take a couple days of minimal effort.) and it would make a lot of people happy. Yes, a lot. The things you are propping up as necessary once we go down the “slippery slope” would either be extremely challenging to implement as the game is now, make very few people happy, just don’t match with the vision of the game, or some combination of the three. Those things are for mods because they are for people who want specific things that are not worth ConcernedApe’s development time, which is exactly why he is improving mod support. He recognizes those wants and is putting work towards making them possible. All we are wishing for is that he add something easy, would fit with the gender-ignoring and inclusive vibes of the game, and would make a lot of people happy. No more than that.
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Re: Stardew Valley Creator Shares Another Update About Version 1.6 Release
@NinjaNicky You do not understand what any of this means, functionally. Gender matters in Stardew Valley. It determines your pronouns and some gendered dialogue. It would be impossible to create a function in the game as it is where you simply type in your gender. 3 is fine, because, guess what, non-binary is an umbrella term! There’s a reason we’re asking specially for that instead of agender or demiboy or bi-gender or whatever else. It’s typically represented by “they/them” and Stardew doesn’t have they/them pronoun options yet. Hell, it doesn’t even have to be called non-binary! Male and female aren’t called that in-game, to my knowledge (save data has a true/false to save if you’re specifically male, which isn’t great, but I’m literally suggesting that he change that.) In the end, what actually matters is the expression of gender. 80 or so percent of the target audience has been fully and entirely fulfilled by he/him and she/her pronouns (including some of those “other genders” you like to wave around like a battle flag). Why not add they/them in a couple days and get to 99.9%?
And to answer your response to the other person, you need to yet again understand the concept of cost/benefit analysis. There are a lot of people asking for they/them pronouns. It would be extremely easy to implement. There is nobody seriously asking ConcernedApe to add furry representation to Stardew. It would be hard to implement. Do you get it? The developers have the ability to make decisions based on cost/benefit analysis. Our stance is that the benefits far outweigh the cost, and a lot of people seem to understand this concept… except you.
Re: Stardew Valley Creator Shares Another Update About Version 1.6 Release
@NinjaNicky What you’re missing here is that it would be extremely easy to add (add a third gender button, change the way gender is saved from a boolean to a integer, and spend a couple days changing pronouns and gendered language in the script. Hell, literally just merge a pre-existing mod that’s already done all the work. It could take a couple days of minimal effort.) and it would make a lot of people happy. Yes, a lot. The things you are propping up as necessary once we go down the “slippery slope” would either be extremely challenging to implement as the game is now, make very few people happy, just don’t match with the vision of the game, or some combination of the three. Those things are for mods because they are for people who want specific things that are not worth ConcernedApe’s development time, which is exactly why he is improving mod support. He recognizes those wants and is putting work towards making them possible. All we are wishing for is that he add something easy, would fit with the gender-ignoring and inclusive vibes of the game, and would make a lot of people happy. No more than that.