It’s interesting to track the progression that WayForward's Shantae series has undergone over the past decade. Beginning in 2002, the original title was released on the Game Boy Color, an unfortunately timed release that was mostly overshadowed by the recent introduction of the Game Boy Advance. Despite an attempted sequel on the newest handheld hardware, Shantae wasn’t seen again for eight years until Shantae: Risky’s Revenge became available on the DSiWare service. Fast-forward another four years to now when we’re not only seeing the release of one new game, but two completely new entries in the Shantae collection on a plethora of different consoles.
Though taking a bizarre path to get to where it is today, the Shantae series is one that is deserving of all the attention is has been receiving recently. Jumping from console to console with mostly unsteady footing, each game in the series has been nothing short of fantastic. Both of the first two games are currently available on the 3DS via the eShop and Virtual Console services, and now we’re treated with Shantae and the Pirate’s Curse, the latest instalment in the series, and it’s every bit as good as we could have hoped for.
Picking up not long after the events of Risky’s Revenge, our purple-haired hero wakes up in Scuttle Town, the home that she is determined to protect, despite her missing genie powers. Without delving too deep or giving up any spoilers, the plot kicks off immediately with the reintroduction of the pirate Risky Boots, Shantae’s arch nemesis, who comes bearing surprising news about an even greater threat called The Pirate Master. Deciding to put the past behind them, Shantae and Risky reluctantly join forces to venture out and stop the Pirate Master before things get out of hand. It’s a classic use of the “enemies working together for the greater good” trope that we see so often in media, but it’s refreshing to see something new introduced into this series rather than relying too heavily on the same stock characters.
Pirate’s Curse is easily defined as an adventure platformer with Metroidvania style progression. As you explore the open 2D world, more areas will become accessible as you progress through the campaign and collect new items; this game doesn’t go too far out of its way to stand out from others in its genre, but it does manage to expand the premise outward, creating a huge world to explore with an ample cast of characters.
Unlike previous Shantae games that featured a single seamless map filled with varied environments, Pirate’s Curse instead opts for several smaller worlds disguised as islands that are accessible from Risky’s ship. Despite not boasting an entirely interconnected world, a fair amount of traipsing back and forth between islands is necessary for collecting all items and exploring every last inch of the map. Not having to completely traverse one sprawling area over and over again just to get to the next point is a welcome change, as it cuts down on time wasted in travel. While revisiting areas may work well for some games, the fact that you’re not collecting experience points or levelling your character up in this franchise can make repeatedly running through the same areas feel both tedious and unnecessary. There is still a bit of necessary backtracking, but this feels like a much more streamlined version of the exploration heavy games that came before it.
As can be expected from a Shantae game, or almost any platformer that WayForward has put out recently, the controls are not only simple but they’re exceptionally tight. This is especially apparent during some of the more precise platforming sections of the game, working your way through labyrinthine dungeons and making short work of long jumps. The 3DS’s touchscreen is also implemented well, optionally displaying your inventory, key items, and a world map; items can quickly be selected using virtual buttons on the bottom screen, making it remarkably easy to see what you have available at any given moment and use those items on the run.
To put it lightly, Shantae and the Pirate’s Curse is a difficult game, but that’s not to say that it is entirely unforgiving. As you progress and delve further into the plot enemies encountered become stronger and more diverse, but so does your arsenal. You will also come across increasingly more complex dungeons and puzzles to solve, but as your move set expands you find that there is never really a point where you’ll feel completely stuck after enough trial and error. Save rooms are abundant in the open world, usually placed strategically at a dungeon entrance or inside a town, and dying means replaying small sections rather than being sent back a significant amount – assuming you’re taking advantage of the opportunities to save. This is the rare type of game that allows itself to be accessible to a new audience while simultaneously sticking to its classic roots.
Pirate’s Curse retains the same look and tone of previous games in the series, this time enhanced by the 3DS’s superior processor and display. WayForward’s signature art style is once again present, but not necessarily to the betterment of the game. While the brightly coloured environments, wacky characters and upbeat soundtrack may appeal to a wide audience – including the younger 3DS owners – there is an unnecessary level of sexualization when considering the audience that is being targeted. It all seems a bit tongue-in-cheek based on the exaggerated dialogue and abundant jokes, but the tiny waists and heaving cleavage jumping out at you per the handheld’s 3D effect can be a bit much. If you’re not the type to be bothered by these affectations, especially considering that they don’t worsen the meticulously crafted gameplay, then feel free to ignore our warning, but do keep in mind that this might not be one for the kids.
Looking past that, the 3DS’s display capabilities are used particularly well to bring the environments to life. WayForward has always had a knack for adding subtle details into its lush settings, but this time around those little intricacies are displayed in a layered parallax, making for an absolutely gorgeous experience. The soundtrack has also been expanded, resulting in a massive mix of classic Shantae tracks along with new jams to fill the new lands. It’s obvious that so much effort has gone into making this the best game that it could possibly be.
Whether or not you’re a platforming fan, and whether or not you’ve played any of the previous titles in this series, Shantae and the Pirate’s Curse is an exceptionally well-crafted game that should not be ignored. The art style and sense of humour aren’t going to appeal to everyone, but they work well together and manage to set a very specific tone that WayForward has clearly spent time perfecting. There is little reason for any 3DS owner to avoid adding this gem to their treasure collection.
Maybe ill give it a try, but I didnt finished Riskys revenge. This one looks better though.
Cool beans. Not sure if I want to pick this up alongside Half-Genie Hero or alongside the OG and Risky's Revenge.
Heaving 3D cleavage is a compelling argument tho.
Glad to hear this Shantae game is as tight as it's prequels.
Ah god I can't wait to play this! I love old school 2D platformers
I will wait for the EU Wii U version.
I'll bite for the 3ds version for sure. Will the WiiU version be the same but in HD? No extras?
Well crafted, hardly ignorable?
For 20€, it' s more then VERY EASY TO IGNORE !!!
I can have Shin Megami Tensei 4 or Conception 2 for that price!
I'll definitely be grabbing the Wii U version!
It's 20$. Has it been confirmed to be 20€? I'm thinking 15€ when it hits Europe.
@readyletsgo I believe the Wii U one is essentially the same. I'll be going for the 3DS version, simply because I'm still a fan of 3D.
Meeehhhh... I don't know. I've been playing a lot of good games lately, and I can SMTIV for that price... or a selection of just as good indie releases.
I'll probably end up waiting for a sale. The problem with these for me is that it feels too much like a full release, rather than a small eShop game.
If we're not a fan of the previous games, does this change anything? Or is it another treasure-trove of imagination and names like Bolo and Sky and Risky Boots and the Ammo Baron
"Both of the first two games are currently available on the 3DS via the eShop and Virtual Console services"
Except in Australia where only the GBC game is available on the eshop.
You right, it should be aroud 15€. It is still too hight for a pixelated game. I paid 7€ for pixelated Adventure Time (WiiU), but I'm not happy with games from WayForward
This is one developer we should keep supporting.
Ron DelVillano - How long is this game? Are there any extras to keep you coming back for more??
Being a fan of the previous games, and having been waiting for this for some time, this is a nice little confirmation for me. I guess it also helps that I don't have a 300 million game backlog/list-to-buy, so the price isn't much of a bother to me. Can't wait to pick this up.
if the biggest criticism is that the characters are too cute then I think I'll be fine
Looks interesting. I'm just not sure if I should get it. If it's Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D tough, then I will have to pass. I have other games I want more like Pokémon Art Academy and Fantasy Life and Bayonetta 2.
Waiting for an EU release date is just torture for me by now... T_T
"...there is an unnecessary level of sexualization..."
Did I accidentally click on a Polygon article?
In all seriousness, while the game is rated G, the target audience is SO not kids. WayForward aimed the Shantae series at teens from the get-go, and that hasn't changed by now. Besides, nobody's gonna have seizures from seing big racks (except for Polygon writers, apparently).
@Koapa I don't think there is a price for EU just yet but I agree. I've got plenty to play and don't need this right now so I can wait for a sale. More power to those that have been waiting.
These eshop games keep getting more and more expensive but I do understand the quality is getting better as is the content. I can vote with my money though on how much I want to pay!
I believe this is a Mandatory game for all you out there. The DSi game is Amazing and this seems to be every bit better. The price tag is high tough considering other download only offers. But it shouldnt be missed!
After playing the first two, I'm obviously gonna get this. One of the few games with beautiful pixel art!
I really don't know why people are so picky about the price. I'm gonna get it ASAP for my 3DS to support Wayforward, because these games are a bliss to modern videogame industry, also because I paid the full price for risky's revenge and it didn't disappoint one bit, it was a fun game from beginning to end, not to mention the challenge. People nowadays tend to complain way too much about everything, mostly gamers.
I am defineitly getting this game. This will be the first Shantae game I play and am looking forward to it. Who would pass up tight controls, metroidvania progression and colorful pixel graphics. I also thought it was going to cost $15 but $20 is fine by me. People complain about the price while some of these people buy worse games for more.
@Grimlock_King Exactly my point. I, too, believed that the game would be $15, but $20 isn't a game changer for me. I've been waiting this game since it began its kickstarter campaign and I know for sure that those $20 are gonna be well spent. The game simply looks beautiful, well-crafted, fun, challenging and with very tight controls, what else could you ask in a game?
"There is little reason for any 3DS owner to avoid adding this gem to their treasure collection."
Unless they would rather play it on a big flatscreen, like I do.
I'm eagerly awaiting for a confirmation on the Wii U release date.
DAMN you people are cheap. Looks great. Will buy for the small asking price of $20 (equivalent of dinner at Olive Garden).
The last game was awesome, i'm excited.
@Anthracks Cheap is a bit harsh don't you think? How about frugal?
who wants to see Shantae X Shovel Knight? Meee!!!
@ohako Who wants Shovel Knight available first? Meee!!!
Already got twenty bucks in my eShop account just waiting for tomorrow.
I shall have this!
Greatly looking forward to this when I get it...Nov. 10th...
So is this considerably better than Risky's Revenge? Even having only paid a dollar for it, it was still a mediocre experience...
That's two reviewers I've seen that have now mentioned the boobs in this game and brought it up like it is some kind of ACTUAL issue and I'm finding it very offensive. I expect to see more of this too because there's a lot of easily led people in this world who jump on whatever bandwagon is popular at the moment.
It is abundantly clear that a lot of people have been caught up in this whole sensationalistic journalism and social media influenced movement about sexualisation and the representation of females in videos games and it's leaking across into places where it's just totally unnecessary. In my opinion these boobs were brought up as an issue only because it's currently pop culture to do so and I find it completely forced and offensive. It's got to a point where it's just ridiculous now. This is not actually a serious issue to be singled out like some kind of epidemic, despite all the media hooha around it at the moment, and most certainly not in this case. Stop making it one.
Here's what REAL genie/belly-dancer types wear just to educate the ignorant: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=belly+dancers&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=579&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=NrpHVPDbC4bV7Aad5oCgCQ&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ
I don't think a few cartoony representations of boobs on some genie/belly-dancing type characters, dressed in those types of costumes, is going to be considered offensive by any young kids in the slightest but I do think highly sensationalist journalism and propaganda being ignorantly spouted out by clearly one of the weak minded socially influenced sheep is offensive.
Stop trying to brainwash us all into thinking and believing that what you have clearly quite effortlessly been brainwashed into thinking and believing, and in turn spouting yourself, by the media and mindless social masses.
PS. Apart from a few personal grips with the actual design and execution of the game, I think this is looking really good.
This game will be downloaded noon tomorrow.
I never got why Wayforward is so awesome in making the Shantae games, while all it's other projects are incredible messes....
@Koapa I'm not sure where the idea that pixel art work is somehow both inferior to and easier to create then 3-D polygonal graphics, but it's wrong. I would be willing to bet more time was spent on the art and graphics in this game then truckloads of polygon-based games. It's a different type of art that is no less demanding and perhaps more so in reality. I would not pass this game up based on perceived value because of its graphics if I were you.
@Kirk Whoa! Cool your jets. I think the article made a few quick and clear points that are quite valuable. Many parents might think to get this game for their kids but might not want the sexualized nature of Shantae and the crew to be on their kids' system. Regardless of how much you see sexualization in your media to be an issue, there's no denying its present in this game. And your link doesn't help. Belly dancers are sexualized! I'm sure an average boy in puberty wouldn't complain about animated busts however parents might wish to have a little more active role in raising their kids to have healthy images of women.
The wait has been sooo long for this!
This game looks great but I will pass due to the immodesty of the female characters.
@Kirk You do recognize your hypocrisy in wanting people brainwashed to all agree with your opinion, right...? I am not brainwashed by the media, I simply have moral standards that I live by.
im just not an "eye-candy" kind of person. In every other way the game looks amazing. Not for me though.
@sketchturner, so you're passing on Bayonetta 1 and 2? If you are, then i applaud you're morals and view. If not, then you sir are a hypocrite.
Gahhhhh. Get this on the EU E-Shop already I loved the first 2 games, this will be another instant download for me once it's here.
And for the record, I never, ever saw ANYBODY refer to Shantae as a 'sexualised' character up until recently, this jumping on the current issues bandwagon really has to stop.
At the rate we're going, all games characters will have to wear large sacks and be androgynous in order to be acceptable facepalm
Shantae games have always had scantily-clad girls and some mildly risque humor. Nintendo Life managed to review the first two Mighty Switch Force games without focusing on the undeniably sexualized treatment of the prisoner girls. I doubt any fragile young minds were warped by those games. Can we go back to that style of reviewing, please? We don't need to be subjected to some feminist PSA every time a WayForward game has mild fanservice in it.
Glad to hear the game is as good as I thought it would be, though. Games like Shovel Knight and MSF already look amazing in 3D, and this sounds like it's going to look even nicer.
@ToxieDogg well we must respect other people's morals and beliefs. And therefore respect their opinions and views. We can't paint everyone as 'jumping on the bandwagon'. HOWEVER, if you walk a very hard rigid line concerning feminism/perceived sexualisation in the media,etc, then it should extend towards ALL gaming, music, films, novels,etc and therefore in my opinion, you are severely limiting yourself to some amazing literature, games, films. And what is the 'moral barometer' in deciding what to play/ what not to play/watch?? If Mario Galaxy 3 releases next year to near perfect review scores, but Peach dances in a bikini in a part of it, then alot of 'hardliners' will surely be missing out.
Been looking forward to this since I finished Risky's Revenge, will be picking it up on 3DS for sure.
This is the second review I've read for this game and the second review to mention the prominent amount of bewb focus...it must really be noticeable. Not sure how much I care about that tbh but I can look past it if the rest of the game is as excellent as it seems to be.
I give it an pre-review of meh/10
@NintyMan It's Way Forward... Look at ALL there previous games, they shamelessly exploit the appeal of a woman's body in every IP! I'm sticking to steering clear of this dev untill they get their stuff sorted!
I'm all about a nice, exploited female body (or several). 10/10, let's roll it out!
I don't think the sexualization should be ignored, but it shouldn't effect the score. That would be like giving a shooter a lower score because the violence isn't for kids.
I don't really have a problem with the mention of "da boobz" in this article, although it seems a little bit preachy. My problem is the review doesn't go in-depth about the gameplay, music, or replayability.
Nintendo Life has been the least "politically correct clickbait" of any games site I frequent. Even the article on the sexualization of Samus was thoughtful and reasonable. It's definitely not Polygon bad: "I like porn, but objectification of women in mah gaems is sexist. Other than that its perfect but I want to be a self-righteous censor, 7.5/10."
I get what the reviewer tries to say about the "sexualization" of some characters, I mean, it's WayForward. But I'm not even slightly bothered by that so I'll get this gem as soon as I can. That price though... $15 would've been nice.
@Kaze_Memaryu Seizures are from Porygons not Polygons xD
Shantae and Bayonetta 2 on the same week? Loving it!
I'll admit, Wayforward is DeviantArt levels of pre-teen pandering when it comes to costume design, but at least they can make some good games to go with the high amount of fanservice. Besides, from what I've played of the Shantae games, they know how to do fanservice right, where it winds up feeling fun and playful rather than stupid and/or raunchy, and ends up becoming part of the charm.
...also, am I the only one who didn't notice that part of the review until the third read-through? I didn't think it was much of a focus of the review, just a footnote to warn those who might be offended and...don't have eyes and therefore can't see the scantily-clad, bouncing boobage on the cover?
OMG this review officially sucks. The woman has boobs, get over it people. And to you reviewer, its called an artstyle.
Are we going to have to deal with this type of review every time? I enjoy reading them but not if they mention anything like gamergate. NO ONE CARES. Please stop, this issue is sooo old and worn out. The developers should make whatever game they want.
Why not complain that shovel knights shovel is to big and exploits dudes?
@treeofmana That's absolute nonsense. Properly raised kids can easily tell fiction from reality, and an explanation is all you need to teach kids that this isn't realistic. @Kirk raises the point how everyone's complaining about "sexualization" where there isn't, and he's absolutely right. Everyone thinks even the slightest sliver of skin objectifies sexes and degenerates kids, yet kids only think that way because it's all over the news, and paranoid parents and moral-obsessed white-knights won't shut up about it.
@sketchturner Depends on whose "moral standards" you mean. Because many of them are more about paranoia than actual morality and tend to ignore that the issue is mostly artificial.
@SUBTERRANEANguy We only need to accept the existence of different moral grounds, not respect or even respond to them. We can accept that people think this or that is questionable, but nobody has to agree or even be cool with that unless it's coinciding with ones' own moral grounds.
@PvtOttobot You think this is "exploiting"??? Wow, that's a whole new level of white-knighting... If anything, it's complimenting. I'd understand your concerns if it was about Senran Kagura or Conception II, but here, there's literally nothing remotely wrong, unless you're allergic to boobs.
@odd69 I'll betcha, if I were to write about male objectification in God of War, Nier, or Street Fighter, people would call me an idiot.
Haha, I'll get a better view on the Wii U version then.
@KTT - This debate ended a while back with everyone deciding that boys will be boys and boys play video games.
Kaze_Memaryu i never said we have to 'agree' with other people's opinions, or that we should respect EVERY opinion which differs from ours. What we must respect is that people HAVE different opinions, beliefs and morals whether we agree with them or not. That is the basic human right of every human being and the basic tenet of individualism and free-thinking which we are all entitled to. Also, it is again up to each individual whether or not they decide to 'respond' to another's opinion/belief or not. This usually opens up debate and constructive discussion as to the validity of the opinion or perhaps if either party is suffering from a certain 'ignorance'. Even if both parties fail to agree at the end of the discussion, at least BOTH sides of the argument have been put forward equal and fairly. Your replies just cast other people's views or concerns aside, basically labelling them 'paranoid' which i think is extremely unhelpful and no argument at all. Also, 'proper parenting' and 'morality' have no universal standard or criteria, unless you have written a book recently which i must have missed. The point is, that while i may disagree with alot of people's views on Shantae, a blow to feminism in gaming, etc, i respect that people have differing views and welcome them sharing them, so that with an intelligence and humility, they may be discussed.
I like the way NWR talked about this issue in its review of the game. One of the cons was: "The amount of "boobage" (if you will) may be a turn-off." That's it. Let's people know that there is some level of fanservice in the game without lecturing the readers about how "unnecessary" it is. If I want to hear people talk about how sinful it is for girls to show off their bodies, I'll go to church.
Awesome I'm getting this tomorrow to hold me over for fantasy life. Until then I have the pokemon demo downloading as i post.. Can't wait
Hooray for boobies!!!
I mean for this game, hooray for this game!
I can't wait to get my hands on this jiggly genie.
Anywho, I just hope this game has more frequent save points. I'm playing the original and they seem a little too spread out, and this one won't have the restore points and temp-saves to compensate. I forget if RR was as bad about that, but I don't think it was?
Yeah, this game is sexy. But it's in a cute and charming way. It's in no way sexist, especially as Shantae was designed by Matt Bozon's wife. (Source: https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2013/09/wayforward_fought_many_many_battles_to_keep_shantae_as_a_lead_character)
It's fair to admit this bothers some people, which is what the review did. It's not fair to say that the art style is "problematic," and did none of that. (Although it did call it "unnecessary," which is technically true.)
Is it true the cleavage is in 3D?
@CanisWolfred Another review said that character art is 3d-layered on the top screen, so I assume that's what they're referring to here. If you've used Colors! 3D...it's probably similar to that.
For some reason, it's the 2d games that make me wish i had a 3ds rather than a 2ds. SM3DL and Smash? I don't mind them in 2d at all. Shovel Knight and Shantae? I need the 3d pixels!!
I'm sorry to be judgemental here but if as a parent someone honestly thinks they need to withhold this level of sexualisation from their child then imo I think they have a much bigger problem to worry about in their family than the level of sexualisation in this game.
I'm going to wait for a sale on this one, if it was given a physical release I would reconsider.
There's a big difference between me saying that it's wrong to try and indoctrinate us all to one way of erroneous thinking and behaving (by conscious intention or otherwise), where some [non] issue has basically been grossly exaggerated and then disseminated into popular culture and the social conscience by sensationalist journalism and manipulative social media (with the weakest minds immediately jumping on the bandwagon), and people (games developers in this case) being allowed to freely express their perfectly reasonable creative visions without fear of [any level of] recrimination and ostracisation by these easily conditioned mindless sheep.
If we were talking about these games designers basically glorifying porn, violence, racism, sexism, terrorism, or some other adult only or illegal act/behaviour...then there'd be some leg to stand on here but this is a couple of totally cartoony sprites that represent pretty accurate representations of the genie/belly-dancing type characters they are portraying.
What's next; are we going to suggest that somehow kids shouldn't be corrupted by the sight of real genies and belly-dancers? Think of the poor children. Should we ban kids from watching the likes of Aladdin, The Little Mermaid or I Dream of Genie? There's dangerously corrupting images of similarly covered boobs in all those examples. The horror!!!
These "professional" journalists should at least be trying to keep their writing somewhat objective and not trying to peddle their recently acquired social agendas that have only recently become their social agendas because it's suddenly the popular thing to make them so; as a result of a few outspoken people on their own personal crusades, backed up by an influx of ignorant "me too" sensationalistic journalism and a whole lot of people brainwashed by social media. That's more dangerous than some cartoony game characters with slightly rounded but basically fully covered boobs.
If you're genuinely worried about your children's future then you might want to start fighting to addresses some of the genuine issues and problems in this world (there's lots of them), that actually have a real affect on their lives, their wellbeing and their happiness; not artificial, media constructed non-issues like this.
So, if we're comparing it to Castlevania, it sounds more like Order of Ecclesia (hard, with the action taking place in multiple different zones) than earlier Metroidvanias (easy, with the action taking place in one big, interconnected environment). I'm enthusiastic about the evident bump up in difficulty that the reviewer noted. The original wasn't bad in this regard, but Risky's Revenge was entirely too easy.
@kirk I don't think that (in general) the average 6-10 yr old who may or may not play Shantae or any other similar game view these spites in a sexual way whatsoever. The sexualisation of a female form is a teenage/ADULT biological concept, expressed by human desire/ experience. Therefore, the debate is based on a concept which kids cannot have inherently anyway, as they have no sexual desire whatsoever and many would therefore just see Shantae as a kick-ass genie, who is a woman and therefore has breasts. The parenting issue is different, as even though biologically a kid wouldnt necessarily view a picture/sprite of a female in a sexual way, they may on a consistent basis hear their father/uncle/older friends speak of women as more or less desirable sexual objects first and foremost. This is more of an ill-educated chauvinistic regressive attitude, and even if a parent was brought up as such, one should be looking to break the cycle. We should never view a person as 'a means to an end', but 'AS the end'.
Look at Jasmine and Ariel in Disney movies, and their bare midriffs. These are characters definitely aimed at kids, and you didn't have SJWs calling Disney misogynistic back then.
(Of course, they aren't quite as...jiggly...as Shantae.)
I was going to hold out for the Wii U version to add another game on there but I just may pick this up for 3DS.
"Everyone thinks even the slightest sliver of skin objectifies sexes and degenerates kids, yet kids only think that way because it's all over the news, and paranoid parents and moral-obsessed white-knights won't shut up about it."
It's those people on their own personal crusades along with a whole lot of recent sensationalistic journalism and a very large group of easily manipulated social media addicts that have created a huge issue where in most cases, the vast vast majority, one simply didn't exist.
Right now if you just happened in on our industry as a casual outside observer you'd genuinely think it was full of sexist misogynists who hate women, objectify them at every opportunity and say they are going to rape them, and apparently it's not just the gamers but the game designers themselves that are guilty of this. Which is a load of total and utter bullsh*t and anyone that's not a total mental case knows that I'm actually speaking the truth here.
So, I ask you; who's really the cause of the troubles in this industry... a mass of hateful, perverted, sick and twisted gamers and game designers or a slightly broken gaming media and the weak minded and the easily manipulated social media masses?
There's certainly something poisoning and corrupting the minds of our kids that we need to afraid of, something that's distorting their innocence and forever warping their world views, and it's not the game creators or gamers...
So the point is that this game isn't in any way "dangerous" to these kids, it was not necessary in the slightest to make a [negative] point of the fact that these females have boobs [like there's something inherently wrong and corrupting with even showing the basic shape of the female body, even when it's a pretty fair representation of the real world equivalent), and to do so is just a bunch of twisted adults forcing their distorted and impure world views on the innocent children.
Raising any issue of boobs in this review caused an issue that otherwise doesn't really exist and that's what I find offensive; both as a game designer who at some point will possibly have to deal with this kind of unprofessional sensationalistic misplaced and heavily media influenced criticism and social criticism of my games, when I might not have done anything wrong in the slightest, and as a gamer in general who just think creating mountains out of molehills is bad game (no pun intended) and not good at all for the general perception of our industry.
These reviewers are basically assigning negatives to a game that simply don't really exist, if we're being truly fair and reasonable here, and that's unfair misplaced criticism and just bad reviewing imo. All because they're sheepishly following currently popular but totally transient social trends that they probably aren't even fully aware they've allowed themselves to be caught up in and influenced by.
I'm just calling them out for it.
The issue at hand is not black and white. There are good games developers and poor games developers. The whole of the games industry is not full of sick twisted perverts, but on the other hand its not completely free from sexism or, like tv adverts,etc, the cliche that 'sex sells' your product. This is the same for the movie business and videos for average pop songs, where business men know that the star in a bikini will sell more/create more hype than fully clothed. No doubt that journalists are really focussing on gaming culture at the moment, either for clicks, tabloid space or a genuine concern (im with you on that it seems to be sensationalised.) But even if the journos are doing it for the wrong reasons and attempting to stigmatise gamers, surely it is still worth a healthy open debate? Because the undeniable fact is that alot of people genuinly feel that women are objectified in media/entertainment. Surely you dont believe that we should sweep concerns about the hobby we love under the carpet?
That's why it's important to be very careful that we judge and criticise those games that do actually objectify and overly sexualise women, rightly so, and at the same time it's totally wrong, unprofessional and unfair to criticise those games that actually really don't.
In this case I think the reviewer was totally and utterly wrong in visibly criticising this game for something it's not really guilty of. Once you throw that kind of accusation out there you can't really take it back. The damage is already done.
Ron wrote half a paragraph giving an opinion on the continuing jiggly boob design of Shantae, with the latter half saying (and I paraphrase) "if that doesn't bother you, then fine".
I think disagreeing with that and debating it is absolutely fine, but my view is that some of you are going WAY off on a tangent to argue about the topic in broader terms; talking about 'manipulation' and 'weak minds', or whatever, seems somewhat out of context here.
It's an opinion (shared by some others in the NL team, but not necessarily all) which is part of the scope when a reviewer gives their assessment of a game. I hope any debate around that one little bit of the review can at least focus on the text while acknowledging that, you know what, some feel that way about these topics and maybe the sands are shifting in SOME opinions.
Anyway, not much more I can say from my perspective — and of course some will disagree regardless — so I'll leave it at that. That's just an FYI that I won't be getting into an endless debate if I get 'copied' in replies because, simply, I think the context is being exaggerated by some of you, and I simply don't have the time right now.
As a final note, remember courtesy and respect for others, too, when expressing your opinions, otherwise the moderating team (and no, I'm not in it) will be getting busy, as I've been told some have already been using bad language etc.
@Kirk Personally, my mindset is almost the same as yours, but my point is that just because you or i dont believe the issues dont really exist, doesnt mean that everyone feels this way. As you say, why should you have to feel youve done something wrong if, for example, you create a sprite of a girl in a bikini/bellytop? But the more pertinent question would then be, 'WHY is she in a bikini/bellytop? Does it fit or add to the game? In Shantae's case, she is a genie, so yes, i would say that it is within the realms of possibility that she would wear said garments. This is more the issue, i think: what are they wearing/saying/doing and 'is it in context with the game?'
I always thought Risky's Revenge was really overrated... which is a shame, because I really like Shantae as a character. Anyways, I'm not exactly tripping over myself to buy this one.
It's kinda irrelevant that he added "If that doesn't bother you then fine". It's already been implied that some wrong has been committed. He basically said "These guys are guilty of overly sexualising their characters but hey; if you're the type of person that finds that kind of perversion acceptable then...". The accusation and implication is already out there and it can't be taken back.
My problem isn't with people having differing views. It's the implication of the comment and the venue in which it has been expressed.
If the reviewer has a problem with the overly sexual depiction of females in games, as a broad generalisation of this hot topic of the moment, then raise it at the appropriate time and place and don't unfairly single out a game that isn't really guilty of such a crime.
He simply picked the wrong developer to "punish" for the "crimes" of some other random developers and I'm simply calling it out. I believe he unprofessionally wronged these particular game developers and this particular game in his review commentary, to serve his own little socially programmed agenda that's he's probably only half even aware of (whether you understand how that actually fits into this debate or not), and I'm simply calling out that erroneous accusation and unfair judgement.
I think that's fair; he unfairly creates and emphasises potential [false] negatives with their game in his review as I see it, that will probably have an actual effect on a few people reading the review (who now might judge this game and indeed it's designers in a slightly unfair negative light as a result), and I'm quite fairly calling his review out for what I see as a false and unfair accusation.
@Kirk Take my advice, just drop it.
Will be getting it on Wii U for the digital offer. Been playing Shantae since the GBC, no reason to start complaining about things it's had since day one.
@AlexOlney If he's going to be a games developer, maybe its an important issue for him. It's certainly a relevant debate in today's gaming climate.
@Kirk because this argument isn't going anywhere, and all you're doing is making a fool of yourself.
I'm not joining the argument on either side, I'm just saying that there's a time and a place for it, and this is neither.
I AM a game developer and it certainly is a relevant debate in today's gaming climate and this review definitely brought it up.
I think the content of the review is what created the forum for this debate, when it really shouldn't have even existed in the first place in this particular case imo, and that is exactly my point and the thing I have the problem with.
The fact you think I'm the one making the fool of myself tells me a lot about your rationale on this one.
If the guy didn't want anyone to debate his comment then he shouldn't have made such an erroneous assertion and accusation in his review. But he did and here we are.
Are we not allowed to discuss the content of reviews now? Is that what you are saying?
I mean it's perfectly on topic given the very written words and point raised in his actual review. As much as it would be talk about the sprite art for next five hours back and forth.
Or should we only be allowed to debate the parts of the review that people like you deem acceptable? Should we all just talk about ultimately meaningless drivel, like frame rates and resolutions or how the game should be a tiny bit cheaper, or is this maybe a good time to raise a point about a currently hop topic issue that's been raised in this particular review? One that is of pretty big importance to the future of this entire industry and in some ways goes beyond the industry and into our every day lives. That touches on our basic freedom of expression and right to express our creativity without fear of being unfairly judged and potentially ostracised by the gaming media, gamers and even the wider public.
I'd like to think Nintendo Life's comments section isn't quite a police state.
@Kirk If you feel strongly about the subject, do something constructive with it, make sure that your games follow your code of ethics. Ranting about an issue in the comments of a review isn't going to do anything practical about the matter.
Please, just end it before things get out of hand, none of us want that.
There's no reason it should get out of hand as long as we are both free to express our perfectly reasonable opinions in response to the actual content of the review.
You might not like what I'm saying but not liking it is very different from it not being true or not being valid.
I know you'd rather I talk about the lovely pixel art or whatever but something bigger happened in this review, something I think is very important to the current state of this industry and indeed to society in general, and I think that's a far more important point to address than some random game's pixel art or whatever.
Like I said; I'm not the one who raised this issue about there being cartoony depictions of basically fully covered contextually accurate boobs in this game (and actually basically told parents this game isn't suitable for their kids, which goes to potential loss of sales). In fact, if I were reviewing the game it wouldn't have even had a single word uttered on the matter. It's was a non-issue that didn't need to be created imo. It was the reviewer who saw fit to create a mountain out of a molehill and I'm now compelled to point out that don't think that mountain needed to be built; both as a game developer and a male gamer; both of which have had some pretty serious and imo erroneous accusations thrown at them in the last few months that are for the most part entirely unwarranted. Now, additionally, it also seems they have to contend with this type of "professional" reviewing where parents are basically being warned away from buying a game that has pretty much the tamest level of "sexualisation" that could even be attributed to said word.
I'm simply providing fair criticism of his criticism of this particular aspect of the game.
Whoah calm your boobies. You are all overreacting. Anyway, I might get this on the NN3DS instead of the Wii U as opposed to what I said earlier so I can get the first 2 games and the 4th title (I think) on one system.
LOL the 4th game is coming to Wii U. My bad.
@BensonUii What Wii U version? Half Genie Hero is a completely different game.
Isn't Half Genie Hero the 4th game which is coming to home consoles?
Both Half-Genie Hero and Pirate's Curse are coming to the Wii U.
So much sexualization oh NL you guys be cray.
@BensonUii Yep, & it seems that people keep thing that Half-Genie Hero & Pirate's Curse are the same game.
Been waiting for this one more than long enough. Don't care if there's "oversexulization", I'm still buying it tomorrow at noon.
Can't wait for this! Wii U version for me!
Man I never thought Shantae would join this kind of debate just because of a few stills during dialogue lol. I never saw anyone mention those little female genie sprites in Rayman Origins and they are mighty clad as well. Besides, it says suggestive themes right in it's rating so uh, it's not like they're not saying it has some.
Ether way though, I'm glad this is finally getting released. Will be picking it up (but probably not tomorrow).
Hilarious thing I see with feminists is that they constantly make the point that women should be allowed to wear whatever they want because it's their body, and shaming women for showing skin is wrong.
Yet whenever a female character in any sort of entertainment media (comic books, video games, movies, TV, etc) shows skin like that, such as Shantae or Bayonetta, these same feminists will then turn around and shout claims of "sexism", "misogyny", "oversexualization", and "objectification of women".
Shouldn't women in entertainment media be allowed to wear whatever they want? Wouldn't all these claims of objectification of women in entertainment teach young girls that they shouldn't be allowed to show skin or they are objectifying themselves?
@IceClimbers Women being allowed to wear what they want is not the same issue as how women are portrayed in video games by (mainly) male game developers.
@SUBTERRANEANguy True, but children and even teenagers are proven to take after what they see in the media, and that includes entertainment. Feminists bashed Disney to hell and back over portraying women as a princess and a damsel in distress, claiming that it was damaging to young girls' perception on women and gender roles.
The same thing applies here. If women aren't allowed to be portrayed showing skin in entertainment such as video games, then young girls will see that and apply it to themselves - showing skin would be objectifying and oversexualizing yourself.
@IceClimbers Yes, but your argument works the other way too: that impressionable girls who are influenced by the media may think that they need perfect bikini bodies or that wearing skimpy clothes may lead to more job opportunities, fame, recognition like their favorite pop stars. So your point proves that at the very least, its a debate worth having at some future time. I pesonally have no problem with Shantae (shes a genie and is wearing plausible genie clothing), and i would also let my 8yr old son play it. However, everyone parents differently and has a different opinion/morals. And thats just as valid as mine.
@SUBTERRANEANguy A woman designed Shantae. You're moving the goalposts for no reason.
@SparkOfSpirit Oh, Bozon's wife really did design Shantae? I had read about that before but thought she came up with the character, but I wasn't sure what extent she had as far as character design goes. However, at look at some early concept seems to prove that she always was meant to have her current outfit, and judging from the age at least, Erin might've actually drew it...
Also, the original Shantae was apparently supposed to be a console game. That explains so much...
I'm so going to get this. I recently started playing the dsi version but i still want to buy this just so i could have all three on my 3ds! This week is bad for my wallet Fantasy Life, Bayonetta, and this.
Why am I not surprised to come back to this article 12 hours later and see over 100 comments about Shantae's boobs, and half of them from Kirk.
I get what the review is getting at...is not so much about the sexualization (I have and really liked Senran Kagura Burst, for starters) but the overall aesthetics of the characters in this franchise and most of the Wayforward original IPs (the Mighty series) just puts me off, and that is that.
I skipped the GBC game, the DSiware game, and this one is firmly on the bracket "when it goes on a good sale...maybe"
can't wait!! later today it's Shantae time!
Why can't it be later today yet?
Feminism isn't just about the sexualisation of women. That's really only scratching a tiny part of the surface. It's about how both males and females are stereotypically portrayed in all walks of life (both physically and mentally). It's about the constant reinforcing of stereotypes that change the way we think from a young age and how we treat each other as adults. It's as much about seeing women as physically and emotionally weaker, or (in this case) as sexual objects as it is seeing men being violent, cold, powerful, brute or hench. It's about ensuring we don't naturally expect something of one sex, and something completely different of the other.
When (apparently) nearly every female character in a game just happens to have large breasts pointing towards the screen, it's more than arguable that this is intentionally feeding a sexist stereotype and will likely offend (or put-off) some people.
These aren't industry-breaking issues, but this is why console gaming is still so male-orientated. It's a shame it has taken so long for gaming to really discuss and consider these stereotypes and their impact on the shape and size of the industry.
These aren't new issues and this isn't a bandwagon people are only just jumping on. It has an incredibly long history. Cinema had to tackle these issues, religion is still tackling these issues and society has been tackling these issues for hundreds of years.
Looks good but my back log of games is ALREADY pretty big, we'll have to see about this...... Pokémon Trading Card game, Art academy, Omega/Saphre, Mighty Gunvolt, Ninja battle hereo...... ugh...... so again, looks good but we'll see....
What sexist stereotype is it feeding, in your view?
@KTT - That is of course correct but I can be pretty sure that the majority of people purchasing this game will be male.
@SUBTERRANEANguy Correct, I am skipping Bayonetta 1+2 (even though gameplay-wise I'm sure I'd LOVE them) because I am consistent in my stance. I also skipped Hyrule Warriors for the same reason (CIA).
For me, it's not just about degradation of women. It's about the degradation of sex (and sex appeal) in general. I view it as something sacred within marriage, not something to be cheapened via marketing in order to make a buck.
@Kirk I support freedom of speech. Platinum Games has every right to make Bayonetta 2 as they see fit. And the market place has the right to support or not support the product as they see fit.
@Koapa conception 2 still isnt worth it. Even at $25.00.
@odd69 The developers made the game they wanted and now people can criticize it. I don't see the problem, why do people always put free speech as a one way street when talking about these things?
I believe it is good to mention the issue because MAYBE there are people with kids that don't want them to experience this kind of views yet, which is fine by my books. Information isn't bad. The lack of it is.
@SparkOfSpirit Right because all women are feminists, oh, wait...
Respect to you, good sir
As long as no laws are being violated, or let's be conservative and say even slightly stretched, then creators should be free to create basically whatever they want, without fear of either direct or indirect recrimination, and consumers should be able to consume basically whatever they want, without fear of either direct or indirect ostracisation.
This particular review was not the place to advocate the hot topic of the moment and currently trending "there's too much sex, sexualisation and misrepresentation of females in games" view, that is being spread by sensationalist journalism and social media proliferated propaganda; especially alongside warnings within the review that basically advise that some parents might actually want to avoid buying this game for their kids.
A person would need to believe this game was basically filled with images of semi-naked women or overtly-overly sexual imagery, which would be a massive distortion of reality, if they actually took that warning seriously.
In fact; the game has already been given an Everyone 10+ age rating: "Content is generally suitable for ages 10 and up. May contain more cartoon, fantasy or mild violence, mild language and/or minimal suggestive themes." - ESRB Everyone 10+ age rating description.
The reviewer really didn't need to include their own additional warning; just like they more than likely haven't done a hundred times before in a hundred reviews prior to everyone jumping this whole currently popular "Any kind of sexualisation of females in video games is bad and wrong!" bandwagon.
A bunch of supposedly professional journalists, across the entire industry, are being unwittingly brainwashed into thinking and acting exactly like a bunch of misguided moral crusaders want them to think and act.
If this were simply professional journalistic criticism then you'd surely find similar warnings to parents about potentially offensive sexual content in every game this person has reviewed (where ANY kind and level of sexualisation exists), going back to before it was the currently trending hop topic of the moment in the media and in social circles, and I bet you if you actually go look at all their previous reviews, prior to this whole recent "any kind of sexualisation in video games is bad" media circus, that that's not the case...
I think you aren't understanding the difference between simple professional journalistic criticism, with genuine consistency and integrity, and basically unwittingly spreading sensationalist propaganda based on currently trending and totally exaggerated and erroneous accusations floating around the video games industry right now. One is totally fair and professional and the other is unprofessional and dangerous [to the industry and indeed the broader perception of male gamers in general] imo.
In my opinion the reviewer only mentioned the "issue" with sexualisation in this game because they were unwittingly socially pressured into making an issue/point of it due to recent trends in the gaming media and on various social network sites etc. That's certainly more worrying to me, something people actually need to be made aware of imo (how the media and indeed we are being manipulated to think and say what others want us to think and say), than having some cartoony genie/belly-dancing type characters wearing pretty accurate representations of genie/belly-dancing type attire in this game.
@Kirk You know, people evolve. Maybe he wasn't aware before and the actual poopoocadoodlestorm has opened his eyes, or thought differently and changed his mind.
If we thought the same about everything throughout all our lifes we'd be fools. Perception, knowledge... are not carved on stone. Or do you think exactly the same way as you did ten years ago?
As for the matter of sexism, I don't quite understand the denial of many gamers. It is there, everywhere and there's nothing wrong about pointing it out. I'm a straight, white, well-off male and I don't like that 99% of women in this industry are depicted the way they are and a big part of it is because there are women in my life I love and feel that are being constantly diminished just because they are not men. And I don't like it.
I don't want all games to represent a perfect (and subjective) world but it wouldn't hurt to have more true women around. And of course, I don't want to have them make what I want (in that case Platinum would be making Scalebound for WiiU and Metroid would be on 3DS, among many other things) but we can't and shouldn't have this level of sexism.
@Kirk: I will throw in my two cents. You made a blatant accusation against the review in one of your posts. You made the assumption that he's simply following the trend of female exploitation being wrong. This is most likely the tangent he and Thomas are referring to. It's okay to debate on certain topics, but making accusations is not constructive at all and usually ends badly.
Anyway, people can have genuine opinions on certain topics. If they don't like one aspect of a game, they will mention it in their review. Reviews are NOT objective like some people want to think. With that said, this game still got a 9/10 which is great! If you think it's a 10/10, that's fine, but the reviewer doesn't have to agree with you.
Also, if I may point out a contradiction in your argument, you said that this wasn't a big deal. If that's so, why are you turning it into a big deal?
I don't know, I don't think I'll buy it. I heard a lot of great things about another WayForward game, Mighty Switch Force, and I didn't like it. It felt too weighty to be comfortable. Besides, I'm not a hige fan of 2D platformers and Shovel Knight is coming up soon.
The lightning in this screenshot looks very out of place...
Or maybe he just repeatedly saw and read the news and events that were trending across the all powerful and influential media and social networks right now and subconsciously wanted to follow the crowd; fearful, again subconsciously, that he might be judged to be different to the "norm" [of the moment], against the "rest of us" (who are currently riding the bandwagon), and subsequently ostracised.
Possibly it's even more plausible that this is what happened because he actually works in the video game industry himself and as a journalist no less; where he is even more likely to be "judged" if he doesn't appear to share the same views and opinions of the broader target demographic that themselves are very quick to jump on and evangelise whatever bandwagon is currently trending in pop culture and social media etc.
Maybe he thinks he's acting own his own free mind, coming to his own conclusions and belief systems, but is really just following the will of the mob; which is fickle and likely to jump on some other hot topic bandwagon at any given moment.
"This level of sexism"...
Have you looked at what's actually being shown in this Shantae game?
That's what he's basically warning parents they might want to avoid buying for their children, presumably 10+ year old children as per the ESRB age rating on the game box, in his professional review.
Edit: At least this final note found at the bottom of Rawmeat Cowboy's own review of Shantae was more true the to reality of the situation "This note was added to our review in light of the recent discussion of how sexual/violent content is addressed in reviews." - http://gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=240056
Basically, this alludes to the fact that if a bunch of crusaders weren't currently making a hoo-ha about this whole sexualisation in video games thing, pretty much pressuring many journalists to feel like they just have to make a point of basically ANY level of "sexualisation" in games now, then he almost certainly wouldn't have even brought it up because it is in fact a non-issue in this particular game.
That's the REAL TRUTH there imo.
Well he made a specific point of commenting on the "sexualization" in this game and actually went so far as to warn parents they might not want to purchase it for their kids in his review, which I suspect is not historically in line with his reviews prior to this whole "any representation of sexualisation in video games is wrong" media bandwagon, so what would you surmise happened here...?
I certainly know what I think has happened given the recent events in the the wider gaming media (and beyond) around this whole sex in video games issue as well as the example [evidence] directly before me in this review.
IF every other game he's ever reviewed or commented on that has any level of sexualisation contains similar highlighting of such sexualisation and warnings to parents then I'll sit here and type that I was wrong and offer a formal apology...
To me the female form is the most beautiful thing ever created and there's nothing remotely shameful about it. When I discovered Risky's Revenge I was overjoyed to find something that celebrated it in such a wholesome way (as well as it being an amazing game, of course).
If you look at the genie statues, they are basically fertility symbols - large breasts, small waist, very curvy hips. It's no coincidence that these give birth to new powers within Shantae. The fact many of the characters are belly dancers actually continues this theme, as it's a dance that's meant to show off the hips and waist.
What I'm saying is that it's a shame such a beautiful thing is increasingly being seen as dirty and something to be frowned upon.
@DarkCoolEdge 'I don't like that 99% of women in this industry are depicted the way they are and a big part of it is because there are women in my life I love and feel that are being constantly diminished just because they are not men. And I don't like it.'
Is that a massively gross over exaggeration, or could you elaborate more on that please? I've been playing and collecting games for the last 3 decades and have all the major consoles and handhelds (asides from Xbox One) and I'm really struggling to see what you mean by the way '99% of women' are apparently depicted. If I scan over my games collection, I see quite a large number of games where females are portrayed in a hugely positive light, such as the Metroid series, the Zelda series (numerous characters like Zelda/Sheik, Impa, Ruto, Midna etc), Beyond Good And Evil, Perfect Dark, Kameo, Resident Evil, various Castlevania characters, numerous RPGs etc. and only a very, very small minority of (main Jap-centric) games such as Onechanbara and Senran Kagura Burst where the sexualisation of the characters is (in my opinion) intentional.
The positive portrayal of females far, far outweighs the negative so I don't know how you've come to that conclusion, although I'm prepared for you to correct me.
@Kirk I also completely agree with everything you've said in this thread,
Nintendo isn't a company that, for the most part, would support having a game on their systems that is supposedly degrading, etc... It stands to reason then, that Nintendo doesn't have any issues with this game, and neither do I.
@ToxieDogg @Kirk Well said.
@Prof_Clayton SMTIV is worth it. It is very, VERY long though. Could play all three Shantae games several times over for the time it would take to beat SMTIV.
Have to agree with @Kirk , @ToxieDogg , and @MetalKingShield on this one.
The current gaming media's critiques of the portrayal of characters in gaming is focusing far too much on espousing certain sets of subjective morals, instead of focusing on objective ethics in their reporting. In the past, (I.E. in several of the old independently operated gaming magazines such as the insightful GamePro, the light-hearted Independent PSM, and the impeccable Next Generation), the editors and reviewers answered questions with wisdom that went beyond today's expectations. They kept their sense of individual values without catering to the "fodder of the day" that internet publications are so prone to these days.
The overall situation wasn't necessarily better in all respects, and not everything was always graded with full objectivity, but there generally did not exist rediculous tendencies such as lowering scores or published opinions of games based on the reviewer's morals. It's one thing for a game to be acceptable within the purview of various groups' morals, but it's another issue entirely when an information source which is supposed to be independent begins to arbitrarily impose their own group's moral values upon the reader. Let the reader decide for themselves how to interpret a game's content based on the review/report, don't allow your personal feelings (or possibly influence by stipulation) affect the review's critique. At least, not unless it is foiling the game's ability to present a decent experience. (Which is not the case here.)
The great irony here is that by and large, only adults would actually view artstyles such as Shantae's as "immoral" or "not kid friendly", even though in reality, children would have little or no concept of these ideas that we adults are imposing upon them. They most likely would think the art style is silly and whimsical, not bold and perverse. (Or at least, I would have when I was a child.) There is a point where poorly developed character traits can be harmful, but claiming Shantae, of all things, introduces "an unnecessary level of sexualization" of it's chacters is really scraping the bottom of the proverbial barrel of puritanical cultural tropes.
Looking forward to Shantae 3! I missed out on contributing to the Kickstarter, but at least I can support the final product!
Not worth $20, not a 9.
It's got charm, but it feels so mediocre after Gunvolt.
EU release date?
If you haven't played the previous two games in the series, would that ruin the experience a little bit?
Does this game take longer than Shovel Knight to defeat?
if you had to buy one, which one is better? SK or SATPC?
❗I bought this Game for £15💷 CIB in 2019.
After I completed it, realised I didn't enjoy it much and that I wouldn't ever re-play it and sold it for £90 on E-Bay in 2021.
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