Accessory Manufacturer Genki Responds To Nintendo's Switch 2 Lawsuit

@jfp Google translate malfunction more like it. Typical Chinese company translation hickups lol.

This company is just your typical, dime in a dozen, ***** drop ship company selling cheap Chinese garbage and little at that.

Nothing lost on this and not much money to get for Nintendo. They probably just going to declare bankruptcy, before this lawsuit even starts.

I am rooting for Genki tbh

O genki desu ka? Genki...

@Smithicus For what?

Have you checked their website? It's just typical run of the mill drop shipping website. That's all they are! They manufacture nothing! Just rebranded cheap Chinese Temu quality garbage.

These drop shipping companies are the worst, jump through import tax loop holes and flood our markets with cheap Chinese plastic crap that breaks down quickly... greatly adding to our plastic waste and e-waste problems.

@Jeronan
What's your evidence? Show me one of their products unlabeled on AliExpress or similar places.

Genki deserve everything that's coming their way. They have nothing of their own, they just exist from feeding off other businesses success. Nothing new there, but the way they then undermine one of those businesses and treat them with such contempt. Scummy business practice and it will be the end of them.

Reputation is the key to a successful business. Genki's reputation is gone forever.

I mean, What could they have expected? Their 15 minutes of fame is over and I hope the advertising was worth what they’ll pay in legal fees. They must of weighed this up before hand???

@Jeronan

This company is just your typical, dime in a dozen, ***** drop ship company selling cheap Chinese garbage and little at that.

Please, can you remind me where Nintendo makes their overpriced hardware?

@SirLink Almost every product is manufactured in China.

Reputable companies like Apple and Nintendo (for example) control the entire manufacturing and QA process. That's the big difference.

These drop shipping companies on the other hand, just sell cheap clones and garbage that gets flooded onto our markets, hurting legitimate businesses that try to sell genuine and better quality products.

These drop shipping companies make use of legal, tax and regulation loop holes and governments should take more action against these practices and put a stop to it!

It's not just a danger to legitimate business, but also an environmental disaster, with these cheap crap products flooding our markets, breaking down quickly and adding to our plastic and e-waste.

I predict that this company is going to lose its court battle against the big n and is going to be responsible for coughing up money to pay for the damage its caused which honestly they 100% deserve it.

@DennisLofgren Yes I am referring to that website.

No company info. No company location info. No direct contact info. All they have is just a crappy webform.

It clearly says in their FAQ they do not offer refunds nor any returns!

These are all dead giveaways and major red flags in my opinion!

Any reputable company doesn't hide their info, HQ and any contact info.

@DennisLofgren yeah, i think Jeronan is getting confused somehow...

honestly just Nintendo gate keeping every single little thing for a super late reveal is tedious.

@Jeronan

They should offer refunds, yes. They do offer replacements in case of broken or lost shipments. I also prefer direct contact info but a form is fine, you can at least contact them somehow.

I'm not trying to argue they are some kinda saint of a company, just that they make good products that aren't dropshipped.

Nothing of what you're saying is what I asked for, which is proof that their products are dropshipped. How to prove that is finding identical products on sites like AliExpress that are literally the same thing but unbranded.

@Smithicus
Why, because they're against Nintendo? They effed up. Doesn't have anything to do what they're selling (which is why they are assuring their customers) as this has nothing to do with what they violated (revealing Switch designs prior).

@Smithicus Every other company does this.

They spend a huge marketing budget for a specific reveal date that also coincided with physical hands-on press-events on different locations, that requires a lot of careful planning.

Genki deliberately leaked the Switch 2 for 15 mins of fame and as such pretty much ruined the official reveal event, since all the details were pretty much leaked before hand.
It most likely forced Nintendo's hand to rush that direct shortly after, as they most likely didn't plan to reveal anything before the April event!

The official reveal was extremely muted by the press, with headlines all over pretty much saying it was a lackluster reveal event without surprises and just confirmed earlier leaks.

It was quite terrible for Nintendo, since everything was already leaked beforehand, the press just focused on the bad stuff after the April event, like high console price and increased price of games. Creating a lot of negativity around the Switch 2.

@BenAV Same bro. Thankfully, I wasn’t too caught up in the leaks, but I feel bad for anyone who was.

@pikachupikachup what do you mean 'caught up' in them? you are relieved not to be getting sued by Nintendo?

THAT’S WHAT THEY ALL SAY!

They claimed a moment in the spotlight in a very shady way. Now they have to pay the price. Hopefully this sets a nice example.

@DennisLofgren The fact is that there is no info on this company, there is no clear info on this product. What safety certifications does it have?
There is a reason why you can't buy these products in official stores. Since stores can only sell products that are approved, follow regulation and certifications.

Drop ship companies fall through the cracks as they use loop holes to bypass all this and as such can sell products that are potentially dangerous and often of very low / questionable quality.
It's why I also not buy anything from Aliexpress and definitely not Temu.

I am not saying that Genki sells crap, but the fact they hide their company info, HQ, no contact details, not offering return and refund policies.
This is all highly suspect! If you believe and stand by your own product, then you don't hide your info and deny standard shopping practices like refunds and returns.

Just my 2 cents.

@Smithicus Nope. I’m relived that the announcement wasn’t mostly ruined, since my hype was still high, since I didn’t know anything.

"We’re grateful for the overwhelming support we’ve received so far" Who? 😅

@Jeronan To be fair, I had a few that became faulty after a few months and they offered replacements for free. I get what you're saying man but chill. As far as I'm concerned they deserved what's coming their way but you need to check again. They have clear black and white privacy and refund/warranty policies on their website, not to mention an email you use to contact them, which I have done in the past.

A bit unrelated but Genki was actually the first to find out why 3rd party docks back then were bricking Switches and they even did a full write-up on Reddit and they did a video on it (hence the Convert Dock, the first 3rd party dock that actually works). They proven they do quality stuff but what you're ranting about I think is more about how they present themselves as a company than what is actually being discussed here. What did anyone expect from a company that started out doing Kickstarter projects? Again, they deserved to be sued after the crazy stunt they pulled but let's go back to the topic at hand, not their management of websites and the assembly lines.

@BenAV Agreed. I very much liked their products but they absolutely dropped the ball. Their continued Kickstarter successes must've gone to their heads big time. I mean who in Bowser's name would reveal a mockup of an allegedly leaked console before the actual reveal. Not to mention them saying they got their hands on a real one then backtracking hard when legal eyes were on them.

I mean, what did they expect to happen? They showed Nintendo’s next system early. That was never gonna end well.

This lawsuit is so ridiculous in my opinion. I hope it gets thrown out. Only Nintendo and diehard loyalists were upset about the leak.

Be careful what y'all say, gentlemen. Nintendo is suing people who breathe in too much oxygen next.

To be honest, I find it hard not to root for the other side no matter if they deserve it or not. Nintendo have become the school bully and I just don’t like how they behave these days.

"showcase our newest products at PAX East this week." They're hard at work preparing the next batch of Switch 2 3D printed prototypes.

People cheering for Genki are soooooooo transparent. You might as well wear a flashing pin/badge that says "I hate Nintendo"

@Jeronan Genki didn’t leak anything that hadn’t already leaked up to that point. Earliest leak on the design was 3-months earlier than the Genki incident. Dbrand quite literally dropped a leaked image 3 weeks before Genki. Nintendo is using Genki as a scapegoat.

Additionally, the media would’ve focused on the negative regardless because the console is significantly more expensive than the previous generation. The reception has nothing to do with Genki’s actions.

There is an unsurprising amount of unproductive Sinophobic sentiment happening in here.

They are getting their name out from all of this. No press is bad press they say.

Don’t feel sorry for them at all. May have been intentional

@Smithicus Same.

@GotchaForce4 As there tends to be in this sort of article. Unsurprising but nonetheless disappointing.

People complaining about seeing Genki's leaks ahead of time didn't HAVE to click the links saying "Check these leaks out!"...

Even if they had leaks with info worth a damn and even if they hadn't resorted to lying when their clout wasn't building fast enough, they should have known that the most celebrated leakers with the best information are still summarily dropped from interest the moment the official announcement is out. Anyone even remember the person who leaked the Trials of Mana localization/remake? What about that Smash fighters leaker, what fame and fortune are they rolling in? This chancer could have just been first in line to drop accessories with the knowledge they may or may not have had, and let the product speak for itself. Now Genki has a nice lawsuit from a notoriously litigious company who will bleed Genki even if the case doesn't go their way, a bit of ire from fickle gamers (a bunch one should never try to court this way), and no noticeable boost in sales or reputation.

Why are we rewriting Genki's history of making gaming accessories as them being "a drop shipping company"? I'm really confused here. I've backed multiple Genki products on kickstarter and had no complaints, and their portable switch dock was one of the most solid additions I ever made to that console in general!

Didn’t do Nintendo any harm? No. Will it help increase sales? More than likely. Nintendo need to stop being so childish .

Regardless of anything else about them, pretty cut and dry, Genki leaked the Switch 2 hardware with mock ups. What did everyone expect to happen?

@Jeronan You are spreading misinformation. I've been familiar with this company for around seven years and have some insight into their development processes. While they manufacture in China like everyone else they are NOT dropshipping. Similar products on Temu/AliExpress are copies of Genki's products, as you could verify for yourself if you cared to do so.

Genki ga genki janai desu.

@Jeronan

These drop shipping companies make use of legal, tax and regulation loop holes and governments should take more action against these practices and put a stop to it!

Why? That's just the downside of moving your production where manpower costs are a joke (besides, with huge damage to local production). And now everything's done there. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

but also an environmental disaster

So there's a disaster only when they make stuff that competes with big enterprises' products? Don't big enterprises have huge factories there?

Anyway, what has this to do with the lawsuit? They just leaked a 3D mockup in a moment when we saw dozens of fake ones.
Claiming that Nintendo got damaged by that is just their passive-aggressive way to block Genki from making other stuff.
Wanna know why they do it? Because they want to protect their official license agreements with other 3rd party makers, like Hori. Which surprisingly is something that prevents the very same makers from including all the features customers would like to see in such products.
Have you ever seen a Hori joypad with HD Rumble? No? Right, and you never will. Have you ever seen a Hori dock with hdmi out? No? Right, and you never will.

"respond thoughtfully"

what were they originally planning on going to court and cussing nintendo out?

The Genki Grenadiers?

Well hopefully they survive by the grit of their teeth but this going to be rough if to say the least.

@Jeronan they've made several practical, well built and often time innovative accessories over the years, so I really don't get the tenacity you're putting into making your case and putting them on temu level. Call it a day with the endless debating, play a game and have some fun instead.

I don't think Genki lawyers are having a good time. They are pretty much fighting with unloaded BB guns against overtrained ninjas.

Internet trolls and outrage farmers have demonised Nintendo to such an extent now that anyone could blatantly infringe on their property and everyone would back the offender.
For god's sake kids. Companies have to set boundaries otherwise all their efforts gets stolen and undercut.
Grow up please.

I don't agree with what Genki did, but man... @Jeronan .... Assuming they're just a cheap Chinese company with crappy products? You must either be fanboying too much for Nintendo, or you really don't want to be giving any credit to a company that you have zero knowledge about.
Because that's all this raving boils down to: lack of familiarity with their products.

Genki has been making products that have been blowing 3rd party accessory makers out of the water for years now. Name any 3rd party company with gaming accessories (except shells, maybe. They don't really compare aesthetically to the great artistic shells out there), and I can confidently say that Genki knocks them out. They can go toe to toe with 8bitdo and have a good chance at winning.
The crowdfunding they do legit goes all into making solid products that are way ahead of the market.

What Genki did was a PR nightmare of a bad decision.
Those defending them by saying "but we already knew these leaks" need to cite other companies who've leaked the same exact thing at roundabout same time, then promptly report it to Nintendo to catch them on hypocrisy. That's it.
Rumors fly all the time, but a company should never be the one to say it. Despite what laws say, companies are, in fact, NOT individuals.

BUT just because they did something bad does not automatically nullify their proven track record, though.

@DennisLofgren I don’t know about all their products, but when their first main product debuted, their capture card, there were a lot of complaints that they just re-shelled a USB 2.0 digital camera capture device that was to slow for gamers to use.

@MrDocena I don’t know about going head to head with 8bitdo or quality. Their main claim to fame is their capture cards which are always critically panned for bad performance and buggy software, and their controller… which is made by 8bitdo.