GoldenEye 007 Shoots Its Way Onto Nintendo Switch Online This Week

now now, we can't all be Oddjob mains!

Wait, it’s just now coming to switch? I thought it came to switch months ago lol.

@Snatcher
That was just the announcement. There was no actual release date yet.

Just let me buy it damnit. Don't wanna sub to the expansion pass scam.

Sure am! Haven't played it properly since about 2002-ish.. crazy long time ago!

Has the online improved with the N64 titles? I tried Mario Kart 64 when it first came to NSO and it was terrible. If it's good now, I will be forcing my friends into some death matches this weekend

I was hoping for Mario party 3 personally, but it’ll be just as funny seeing all the “Goldeneye isn’t like I remember” posts people will make lol.

I still have the cart and my trusty N64, but this will be a great way for new folks to experience a part of gaming history. It was such a huge deal at the time, and though it's still a lot of fun, it's seriously dated. It could use a few QOL improvements. A better frame rate would be appreciated, especially during multiplayer

Waste of someone’s time in my opinion.
I had an N64 for this title amazing at the time but definitely not now.

I never had an N64 and have only played the awful Reloaded remake so it'll be interesting to play

Wait already?

I can't wait...for everyone to shatter their rose tinted glasses when they see how absolutely horrible that game plays today.

Just checked out the trailer Nintendo of America have dropped on YT for this.
Nice it's in widescreen! (or was that already in the original N64 version too? It's been too long! xD)
Cool to see the online multiplayer. But me and my friends will want to play local, for that 90s nostalgia.

@rawzeku Same. Would be nice to just buy outright. I quite remember enjoying the single-player.

man, i was hoping for Pokemon Stadium.

Disappointed

Rose tinted glass be damned, can't wait!

@rawzeku

I really wish people wouldn’t misuse the word “scam”. Paying for a service and proceeding to get what you pay for isn’t a scam. Having perfectly reasonable gripes with a business model does not make it a scam.

If it's widescreen (which was an option back in the day but I never used it) and the framerate isn't horrible, then I'm looking forward to this.

I don't really understand how rose tinted glasses are supposed to work, though. I remember the game pretty well. I know what it does well and what it doesn't.

@Perryg92 the original had the ability to play in widescreen and even had a dual stick style control option

I’m ready to chop my enemies to death!!!

@CharlieGirl Technically true, but pretty sure up to three people can play as Oddjob in a four player game

YES OH YES!!! I can't wait for this!!! Such an awesome game!! One of the best N64 games EVER!!!!!!!!!

Will the respawn points all still be sequential and within reach so you can camp on them and whoever gets the first kill wins? That will be fun for online, right?

Played this again on N64 a couple of years back. Dam it’s not how I remembered it. I beat it on easy, medium and hard back in the day. Then again on hard for a friend. Wonderful game but needs a remake for me.

Never had an N64 but my mate did, I remember playing multiplayer on it after we arranged cushions, table and whatever we could find to block off the other corners of the screen!! hahaha

@stav1710

See, I don't get this. How did you remember it?

I had hoped they were going to do a little more to it than just dump the original game onto the Expansion Pass. Yeah it's got online multiplayer but it can only be played with those on your friendl list, making it nothing more than a nice little bonus that most people will never actually use. And I assume the screen will still be split as if you were playing local? I wouldn't know, I've never had the chance the play anyone online on NSO or the EP.

YES!!! Well I know what I'm doing this weekend. Can't wait to have this on Switch. I've got 2 copies of the original on N64 and run a playthough of the campaign at least once a year, never get old. Here's praying for Perfect Dark next, as it's arguably better.

@Jprhino84 I was going to say the same thing but didn't really want to bother. Thanks for saying it for me.

@rawzeku agreed.

@Laserbeak1982 It would be fun to have Perfect Dark as well, but Nintendo hasn't put any M rated games on the NSO service yet

YAAASSSSSS!!!!! I seriously can hardly wait any longer. See you out there, Oddjobs!

Really have no interest in what I presume this version will be- the N64 game with the same performance and an online mode that’s just the local mode (split screen) streamed to everyone playing with no matchmaking. Would rather pay separately for an enhanced version, otherwise it’s a cool novelty that they got the rights sorted and finally got it re-released but not much else for me

Absolutely expected Mario Party 3 next so this is a surprise. Not necessarily a pleasant one for me personally because I never really got into this game even back then, but I know the game is loved and I'm certainly not complaining.

@ModdedInkling I just assumed it came to the switch much sooner, then again I just kinda forgot about it, and I don’t really follow what games get added, so that’s my bad for assuming.

Great I can't wait for this to come

Looking forward to this. Will be good to play through the campaign again without having to emulate it. Even with its dated graphics its still a great game.

@Fizza Winback is my personal favorite for this time of year: January/February. Still cold, still snowing, almost Spring... Kind of matches the vibe of the first level sort of. N64 fog for life 🤘

@rawzeku Isn’t this coming to Xbox as well? I could be wrong, but if so that means we can buy it right?

@Laserbeak1982

Yeah, I always preferred Perfect Dark. It's the one I actually played with my friends. I also thought it was more exciting visually, since it came near the end of the N64's lifespan.

@Dezzy70 Sorry but Goldeneye is still amazing.

@Kidfunkadelic83

I'm really interested in going through the campaign again. Goldeneye was my first FPS game, so I had no context for it. Now that I've actually played Doom, Quake, Half-Life, Turok 2, and most of the other big 90s shooters, I feel like I'll understand it in a different way than I did back then.

@Bucky So many people probably don't know that because widescreen TVs were so rare at the time. The dual-stick setup was also well ahead of it's time, though I found it less than ideal due to the difficulty reaching the face buttons. Still, Rare being on the forefront isn't surprising.

I still hope they add a way to download these games, taking VC away from us is the stupidest decision ever. Most of us just wanted to buy and download the game and keep it on our Switch forever, not have it tie to a service where it could easily be taken away and for GoldenEye 007 sake I hope they don't take it away as it's a temporary offering that once the Bond license expired with Nintendo and Microsoft that it could be gone from the service with no warning.

@Bucky True, but Doom 64 is on the eShop, so I don't think that would be a blocker.

Does anyone remember the other spys like The Saint, The Man from U.N.C.L.E.? They were just TV but very good! How about Get Smart? The last one is more a spy comedy. I watch to much 50's to 80's TV...

@ModdedInkling It said Jan 27th in the trailer

I have never played this game but I like Perfect Dark more. I know lot of people like this game. I do not know I have never played this game. Perfect Dark is the best shooter for me.

@theModestMouse It's not coming today, two days from now then you can see the madness.

@Laserbeak1982 I hope not. I would love to have Perfect Dark, Conker, and maybe even Resident Evil 2 join the service

I wish this was available to buy on its own I will have to play it on Xbox but the online multiplayer is exclusive to switch I’m not too bothered about the campaign although from what I remember it was actually really good

@Beaucine obvioustly graphics aside, theres still some really good missions in goldeneye. Its a good addition to the membership.

For me, this game is as much fun as ever. I've been playing it on the Steam Deck with dual stick controls and it's excellent. I hope they modernized the controls for the Switch version.

That said, I would 100% buy this outright in Switch, even at a high price. But I very much don't want to be locked into paying $50 a year for it.

@rawzeku That's what Rare Replay on Xbox is for

I hope this means we get low-poly Pierce Brosnan NSO avatars too 😂

I'm excited to see the diappointment people have when they realize that people still enjoy this game. So many commenters on this website think that they're the only ones who know that it's aged terribly, and they can't wrap their head around someone else still enjoying it for nostalgia reasons. They're going to be SERIOUSLY disappointed when people still enjoy this.

@Selim The reason Rare made Perfect Dark was cause the Bond license from Nintendo expired but once GoldenEye 007 became a success, Rare immediately developed the sequel. The planned sequel, GoldenEye 007 II: The Perfect Dark, was going to not be based on any film and was going to have an original story continue from where the movie left off. Because they can't use the Bond license anymore they turn what they had made into a new game, all they had to do was change most of the Bond related contents into original contents, turn the male character into a female character, and took out the Bond name and just kept it as Perfect Dark. It's an easy swap and work out great in the end.

At last I am finally going to get use that switch n64 controller I got!

@KevinP

I wouldn't say it's nostalgia alone, though. I've played many 90s classics decades after their release for the first time and I still loved them. It just kind of depends on how much you care about "datedness." (I don't care much at all.) I mean, I liked playing a modern game like Death Stranding in 4K as much as the next person, but I'm not expecting that graphical fidelity and modern accoutrements out of, say, Banjo Kazooie. That game is over 20 years old. The camera's gonna be a little funky and the textures are gonna be blurry. That's just the way it is. I enjoyed both to about the same degree last year.

@KevinP Like who? I don’t think it’s aged well and as I said earlier I’d rather pay extra outside of my subscription to get an improved version on all fronts but if you download this version and enjoy it, go for it? I hope people do have a good time with it. Not something I’m bothered about but more power to those who are

nop, not buying that subscription no matter what you add!

I would be interested if it was a VC game available for permanent purchase, but I will never throw my money down the drain for the Expansion Pack. I have the same personal policy regarding Game Pass and PSN Plus; if I want to play a game, I buy it, full stop. I just prefer the ability to control my access to my games and to be able to enjoy them for as long as I choose, on my schedule.

surprised online is exclusive to Switch.

I used to play this SO MUCH with my friends back in the day. Looking forward to giving it a spin again.

Wake me up when Legend of the Mystical Ninja is announced

Not really a shooter that's any good, compared to what we have on Switch, but being locked to NSO Expansion means I won't even consider trying it

@Fighting_Game_Loser
Rare replay doesn't include Goldeneye because of the licensing issues.

@Quantaur They said it's going to be added to Rare Replay, though. At least, digital copies of it, for some reason.

@Jmjfrank Truth to be told, N64 games have not aged as well as SNES games (or even NES games). Ugly graphics, funky controls and cameras, etc.

@rawzeku exactly! I want a physical copy!

YESSSSS. Finally! And it's also coming on my late brother's birthday! Time to stop Janus again!

@rawzeku Oh, how SAD I'm for you, bu hu!

Just really want to know how the controls will work. Will the dual analog control scheme be tweaked a bit to support the Switch button layout?

@theModestMouse rubbish! I still play it!

Glad you could make it, 007.

@Jprhino84 Thank god someone said it! I'm tired of VC apologists ragging on Switch online as a "scam." I liked VC fine enough, but Switch Online is far from a scam. You're getting what you paid for and it is still far cheaper than the competitors (especially if you get a family plan and have people chip in on it). People need to relax and use the correct terms! If you wish Expansion Pass offered more or had more features that is cool and we can discuss that! If you just hate the service in principle that is fine too. But, people this is not a scam.

Will finally have the N64 holy trinity together again (Goldeneye, Turok 2 and Perfect Dark) on XBox Series X with enhanced framerate and better resolution. Excellent.

@Selim that makes no sense! Just play it!

@Quantaur Wait really? I thought Xbox said it was going to be included with Rare Replay once it released?

@Fighting_Game_Loser they did say that & it's a free update

@EVIL-C
Each to their own, of course.

@Wexter,

Totally agree, you get exactly what they say you will with the online service, I have the family expansion pack and it's great value imho.

Funny how the people that want a virtual console service, conveniently forget about losing their games when changing generations from Wii to Wii U.

I’m more excited for 1080 Snowboarding.

Four players and throwing knives as weapons.

Golden.

( I still do have N64 and the game)

There's no need for me to buy. I quick weekend worth of playing will suffice. I've said it before and I'll say it again; this generation of games has aged poorly. There are a few exceptions.

This game has aged very poorly. I played it on original hardware a few weeks ago, and there was no control scheme or way to play it that felt satisfying to hold. The gameplay itself is quite good for its time, and I could imagine the multiplayer would be good if you could get past the hurdle of the controls, but the hurdle's just too high for me to jump over.
Happy for people that are excited, but I was really hoping the next one would be Mario Party 3.

@JakedaArbok

How were you trying to play it? I always found Goldeneye and PD smooth to control — but I'm not playing it like Halo or later console FPS games. I'm just relying on autoaim and strafing nonstop, like original DOOM, with an occasional vertical adjustment every now and then.

@johnvboy we didn’t lose games though? They transferred to the new system.

I'm gonna play it
I'm gonna enjoy it

no matter how much I enjoy it,
I will NOT say that it's better than Timesplitters. Nuh-uh. Nope.

I'm glad it's on the way! I barely played it back in the day as I was working in Japan, where Goldeneye barely made a ripple. Given time I might try the single player campaign.

I don’t really play FPS games anymore, but I may need to try this out again just for the nostalgia.

I am curious if they will do anything with the control mapping because IIRC you used to move with the C buttons and look with the stick which I think is backwards from modern FPS conventions. I also remember reading on NL that you could actually play the original in dual analog mode with 2 controllers plugged into an N64 for single player. I doubt it, but it would be neat if they mapped the left and right sticks to different controllers in the emulator for single player mode to take advantage of that.

@Wexter
Ok it’s a scummy service. Just because you can get it cheaper by going in on a family plan doesn’t make it any better. Virtual Console was a great service in my experience with it and was more beneficial to the consumer.

@GameOtaku You mean the same VC where you could not buy games for both 3DS and Wii U rather it had to be separate even if it was the exact same game? The same one where you had to pay extra to "upgrade" your Wii VC games to Wii U. That one? The one people moaned about for a service "similar to Netflix, but for Nintendo retro games" that one? This service is not a scam. A scam this is not.

If they allow mapping for dual analog while using the pro controller it will be great. If only option is two N64 controller dual analog control I will be disappointed. Also frame rate. If they fixed the frame rate and add a hack for dual analog control on apro controller this will be great.

@Krambo42,

And then you lost them all again with the transition to the Switch, not to mention the fact I had to pay a small fee to re download the games again on the Wii U.

Now if Nintendo were to bring out an account system like Microsoft, and I am sure Sony is the same, then I am totally on board with all this.... but as it is the subscription service is a much better fit for me, and it lets my try games I would have otherwise not purchased on their own.

@Wexter,

You are wasting your time, selective memories are indeed strong with the Virtual console.

I might up the subscription when it expires in June to play this and others. Not many n64 games I really wanna own long term and hard to jump on another shooter with Splatoon still half fresh for me. Very nice either way

@johnvboy you absolutely did not have to pay a fee to download them on Wii U-only to “upgrade” to the Wii U version with remappable controls and save states (and slightly easier access since you didn’t have to switch to Wii mode).

@rawzeku Looks like the only way to own it on a modern system is if you buy Rare Replay on Xbox.

@johnvboy
But they do have an account system now! Not to mention most tied their 3ds and wiiu to the account so we can still add funds to buy on their eshops so it wouldn’t be out of the question that VC games could be transferred.

@Beaucine It was my first ever console I bought myself. Bit of a gaming nerd. Still remember games from my Commodore 16 and 64 and NES.

@Wexter
They didn’t have an account system then but they do now. I’m still holding out for a unified VC probably after the 3ds/wiiu storefronts shutter then you could access a lot more. The subscription service is passable I guess but there really needs to be an option for those that prefer to play offline.

@electrolite77 Really? That’s so great!

@GameOtaku,

They are making giant steps towards this, but I think the VC was retired because of it's financial viability, rather than anything else. The core Nintendo fans will love it of course, but the wider mass market, not so sure.

@Krambo42,

I had to pay a fee to re download my Wii VC games to my Wii U, pretty sure of this.... and I remember people complaining about this on here, at the time.

But all this is moot anyway, there in not a Switch VC service, and there is not one planned.

@Krambo42 The WiiVC games you bought stay accessible through the Wii Menu if you do the Wii->WiiU transfer, yes. But if you want the WiiU VC native versions with button mapping and a save state, you have to buy it again through the WiiU eShop, deeply discounted. I’ve had to do it a bunch of times and I still have a few I didn’t buy yet. Wave Race 64 is currently $2 on the WiiU eShop for me this very second, for example.

@johnvboy only if you wanted the Wii U version. The transfer of digital Wii games in the Wii U’s Wii mode was free.

@masterLEON yes, that is what I said

Played it recently on n64 with N64 remote. Aged beautifully.. it’s near perfect game design with perfect controller for it. Modern FPS still haven’t captured the same magic.

It’ll take people that have never played it a while to get used to the controls but it’s worth it when it clicks.

Just don’t be oddjob in multiplayer…. It’s against the unwritten rules.

Those that say they’ve played it recently and it’s aged badly…. Really have no idea.

@Krambo42,

Never used the Wii app on my Wii U, it was just to jarring going from HD to SD, and the games had a very muddy look visually, as it they had been downgraded in some way.

Love the way the retro games look on the Switch online, in all their HDMI glory.

@johnvboy Nintendo puts a dark filter over the games on VC. Someone messed around with the files, replaced the filter with a 0x0 pixel copy, so nothing, and the colors became vibrant and bright.

Been playing this game for years now and so glad to have it back on a Nintendo system.
Naysayers be damned!

@johnvboy There is a lot of rose colored glasses for the VC. I mean it was cool, but it was far from perfect... From inconsistent emulation between platforms. That weird washed out filter on N64 games. That and as you said with Wii mode on Wii U in some cases being worse than playing it on Wii! VC had a ton of problems, just going over old Gamefaqs forum posts can confirm that much.

I liked the VC I would not complain if it came back. But between the amazing collections (especially by Capcom and Konami), the PSOne remasters and NSO giving away games (like try getting Earthbound on SNES cheaper than paying for a year of NSO) with a subscription you need to play online anyways... It's a pretty golden era to be a retro enthusiast and don't want to get gouge on the used market. That and if the service transfers over the Switch 2... I probably be very pleased.

@johnvboy
I’m sure it was very profitable for them when they actually added games to the service. Kinda hard to get sales when you add nothing new in years (and they are still doing today, last nes and snes games were added back in may or June).

Unlike Netflix whose collection is constantly changing the game collections (officially licensed) are finite in what they can offer. According to Wikipedia there are 716 nes games, 721 snes, 878 Sega Genesis and 296 N64. That’s all of the officially licensed games so that’s it compared to new series and films being released on a minute to minute basis. Sell most games for between $5-$10 and then the money would just print itself! Oh yeah and if you subbed you could get access to everything as long as you subbed and could check out as many games as you wanted in your tier group!

@GameOtaku dude I don't want to rain on your parade... But most of those were trash licences titles (LJN being one of the most prolific and infamous publish on NES). A lot of those games are also with dead publishers whose rights are held by banks, wealthy individuals and modern publishers who might have no idea they have them as they bought the corpses of those defunct devs. The big sellers were always Nintendo titles on VC and most 3rd parties saw pennies on the dollar in revenue. It's why so few after the big Nintendo heavy hitters like Kirby, Metroid, Mario and Zelda games started trickling in. There was almost no incentive for publishers to even bother.

Switch Online is by far more profitable for Nintendo and adds incentives for their online service. That and 3rd parties are now releasing collections which are better value for the consumer, more money for the publishers and they can even release games individually on the eShop if it's a title like Final Fantasy or Chrono Cross and reap more profits with a non-unifed pricing scheme.

I know you like VC, but it had major problems that killed it not just Nintendo being mean and evil.

@Wexter
Capcom and Konamis collections are missing several games! Where’s Castlevania Legends and GB Kid Dracula on the Castlevania ones or Contra Force and Alien Wars GB?! The Capcom Megaman collections also have notable exemptions such as Battle and Chase, Wily Wars, The Xtreme series and classic Megaman GB, Network Transmission and Battle Chip Challenge and that’s just off the top of my head!

A complete collection like that wouldn’t be easy but it’s absolutely doable. I still enjoy many of the LJN games and if you actually played them instead of watching a single angry nerd crap on it you might enjoy them too. (Except Milons Castle it’s just bad but that’s just me.)

@GameOtaku How many of those were on VC? Not every game will be on every collection, but Capcom has done very well with rereleases through their Arcade Collections and Legacy Collections. Same with Konami with the Anniversary Collections... I mean they gave us the GB Castlevanias and Kid Dracula 1 when they could had just packaged in Castlevania 1-3 and still sell it for $30 and gotten away with it. Compare that to the actual games list and it's a steel at $30 with the NES Trilogy the two GB games, Super and Bloodlines.

These collections are way more pro-consumer than the VC ever was.

@Wexter
The issues with how it was handled was why i hoped that the VC would come back on switch but with improvements.

when the VC originally launched on wii i thought it was a great idea but also had faults such as how content was tied to the console and it took until midway through the wiiu's life to finally get an account system.

On wiiu it had a few improvements such as full button remapping but brought its own share of issues such as the washed out look on n64 and nes games alongside the library being separate across multiple systems, sure it had the option to "upgrade" but that wasn't for every game (games like chrono trigger and the FF games werent available to upgrade for example)

Though as mentioned it was these flaws which actually made me wish it came back in an improved form, keeping things like the button remapping from wiiu while adding screen options, neither of these features the NSO has iirc.

For me its not so much that the service exists, but more that the service is the only way to play these games on switch, Meaning there's no safety net for if a game gets delisted or the service ends. I do enjoy retro collections on the system like the M2 ones for castlevania and the like but sadly nintendo doesnt really do those and the one retro collection they did release on switch got delisted a few months later.

For me as mentioned its not so much that the VC was an amazing service but rather that it had a lot of potential and i would love to have the option of buying the game (like how they handle DLC on the expansion pass) along with some improvements such as screen and controller options.

apologies again for the long rant.

@Wexter
We still shouldn’t excuse them for omitting them.

@GameOtaku They could still be coming. It's not all or nothing. Sometimes they want to hold back certain games due to cost (by that I mean keeping in mind these are $30 collections after all) or just simply the game not fitting the collections theme.

@Mgalens I think that is a very fair rant. I have zero issues with VC in principal. I just think it's important to keep its flaws in perspective when discussing it as... It had a lot of them. Same with Switch Online. But, once again it's all keeping perspective.

@Wexter
All the examples I mentioned fit into their own logic. The odd one out is Dracula X on the advance collection. It was neither on the advance nor did it match the gameplay style.

@GameOtaku And it was a nice inclusion as they probably want to save Rondo for when they release a Symphony collection or with the DS games. So Dracula X is a nice bonus for a mostly GBA game collection to help round it out. And they probably don't want to charge $50 for a Castlevania collection so they had to cut some games.

Finally! I can’t wait to play through this again. It’s been a very long time.

@Wexter
They already gave one exclusively on PS4.

Such a monumental game.

@GameOtaku so what's the issue with Drac X an obscure and expensive game being included in the Advance Collection?

@Wexter
i would have loved to see something like those konami collections for nintendos IPs such as a collection of the 2d mario games maybe even including additional versions as an extra like the all stars versions and the GBA ones (Mario 3 on GBA had a bunch of e-reader stuff which was on the wiiu VC one)

That kirby one back on wii i remember being nice, while it lacked some options like being able to use the super game boy colours on the GB ones it had some nice extras and a good selection of games.

(also on the subject of castlevania i am hoping that the switch gets a SOTN+rondo one)

@Wexter,

The online service is far easier to keep going. Pretty sure the service will continue on the Switch 2.

I also would not complain if the VC came back, but I very much doubt I would be jumping at the gun to download the same games for a third time !!!.

@GameOtaku,

Again, just because there are lots of games available does not mean lots of people would download them, and I would guess that outside of the core Nintendo fans there would not be much interest. Now if the Switch's main demographic was indeed core fans, then I am pretty sure we would have a virtual console service.

@Nua,

Good to know.

For England, James?

Nintendo should give gamers the option to play with ransoms too if that was available I would sub to nso online

Great news. Yeah, perhaps this game hasn't aged all that well, but it'll still be fun to go back and play this. Especially now with online play.

Can't wait for everyone to be disappointed in how terrible it looks compared to what they remembered. Nostalgia is a deceitful mistress.

If only they added ray tracing, so we could actually...
see reflections, on the water,
more than darkness, in the depth,
see him surface, in every shadow...

THE GOLDENEYE ON SWITCH!!!! THE GOLDENEYE ON SWITCH IS REAL!!!!!

I bought the Rare Replay collection for $5 so will own the game for free on xbox. There's no way I'm paying $50 a year for renting one new n64 game that I may or may not enjoy every 2 or 3 months.

It's good that it's finally available to play on a modern console, though I still don't plan on buying a year's worth of the online expansion subscription. If the game was available to purchase separately, then I would have been eager to buy it.

I really wish both Switch and Xbox could just combine their versions with a remaster plus MP online being the only version, sadly as it is Xbox gets a nice remaster but with no online play while Switch gets online but no remaster.

@Wexter
What was wrong with including Legends instead of Dracula X?

@johnvboy
At least everyone could then be satisfied having access to everything they want with or without a subscription.

@GameOtaku so you're sour grapes over Legends not being included? Kk sounds good mate. That and the logistics of what you want is impossible. You can't have every game ever made available at all time.

@Wexter
No I was just showing you the fallacy of your argument. It wouldn’t be an impossible feat to have all, if not most of, the games available. Goldeneye is here and it was a tricky situation. The first TMNT game was on Wii v and now all of them are available on switch (most of the TMNT Konami games anyway not counting the 2000 era series). You would think after all this time they would stop drip feeding and restarting services and just put out the games.

Load and lock, friendos. I'm stoked as hell.

@GameOtaku This right here. I've been gaming long enough to see the dripfeed. Nobody in their right mind should be excited for an NSO rental.

@GameOtaku but you're completely misrepresentationing what I've said. I'm not saying NSO is perfect, rather I'm saying VC was exceptionally flawed and despite not having it we do live in a golden era for retro game accessibility. Then you started arguing with me about how certain collections don't have as many games as you want despite them being exceptionally more affordable than VC was. While at the same time you're wondering why Nintendo doesn't just make the 700 NES game library available when you and I both know that's not how this works due to how probably at the very least 50% of those games are in some legal quagmire. It's just a circular discussion. I'm not arguing a fallacy you're nitpicking details and ignoring 90% of what I'm saying trying to get me in a "gotcha" when you haven't.

I'm not sure what you think I've been saying, but you seem to be arguing against what I'm not actually saying.

EDIT: and I don't want to have the discussion about "ownership" of digit goods... Because that is a semantic argument that is a nightmare to have. In short if it's VC or Switch Online you're renting both in some way shape or form. So, don't argue with me there because it's one I don't want to have and if I'm annoyed now, I don't want to get short there. Reason I'm bringing it up is because if someone is pro "ownership" most of these collections are 100% better than VC was in that regard as they tend to get a physical package at some point. This is why I've not talked about "renting v. owning" because it's a silly argument to have in this context because it becomes bogged down nonsense.

My only question is; have the controls been revised? Is there a dual analogue mode? I don’t mind the original control scheme, but it only really works on an N64 controller and more contemporary dual analogue controls work better for a first person shooter.

@Wexter
No I’m quite serious. Instead of companies complaining about rom sites and how they are hurting their bottom line but do nothing to fix the problem. You can see how they are handling the classic game apps now and there is no improvement over vc and they are still being drip feed! Heck the last games added to the base tier was in may or June of last year! There’s honestly no excuse why they can’t release them faster and offer them for sale too.

@GammaPhonic
Original game had dual analog.
You just needed to be holding two controllers.
I'm not even kidding.

@KevinP Yeah man Doom 1993 is definitely "dated" but I play through it alllll the time.

@GameOtaku that's not what I'm talking about. How about addressing what I'm actually talking about then "drip feed" and the vague "companies do better" line. That's not what I'm talking about and you're just arguing past me and arguing with a strawman not actually talking with me. I never said VC was a bad idea in principal and I'm glad it's gone or I even think Switch Online is perfect. What I'm saying is how VC is highly romanticized and not actually discussed in context of what it actually was.

If you want something we agree on... I agree that Nintendo should offer the chance to buy a digital copy with the game being available with Switch Online. I agree that publishers should try harder to keep their back catalog available especially obscure stuff like Terranigma and Ogre Battle 64. Cool. Now we can have discussions about what I'm actually talking about.

Yes! Finally! GoldenEye!

Why does NSO get so much negativity? I dont understand the "renting" argument. We bought and owned the games on Wii U... yes, brilliant. My purchases are now tied down to a dead console. How exactly is that better?

Besides, NSO is cheap. Especially compared to all the other subscriptions you already pay for... cancel one of your other subscriptions and NSO becomes FREE!

@Wexter
I agree on the last bit for sure. I’d also say the account system should be like Sony was back in the vita and psp days where you could download your past purchases for free.

I', assuming Europe got it 1 or two days early because I saw someone from the UK playing this on Switch and streaming it. Is this correct?

@nocdaes
The classic games are tied to the online service. What if you don’t play online and only want access to the games? You still have to pay. You also have no control over what games are available to you.

@nocdaes it's mostly just sad honestly. It's like having the fun police come in and say "you playing NSO? You've been scammed" with the straightest face ignoring what the meaning of the word is. NSO is a nice service, it can be better, but it's a nice service that does what it says on the tin. I would enjoy some QOL improvements and a few gems still missing, but overall it's a nice way to unwind.

@electrolite77 it's the mentality of "I don't like it so you shouldn't either" which for some reason is the worst in the gaming space. If people are looking forward to something awesome! If you're not move on and do the things that make you happy. Life is too short to hold onto so much negativity.

@GameOtaku Yep I do see your point. I'd still argue that NSO is cheap enough that the online game access is essentially a value add, but I guess Nintendo could package them separately. Not sure there's a huge benefit really.

Whether the games are sold to us or placed onto NSO - we still don't have control over what is available. Nintendo decides the games either way, and releases them at their own pace. Unless you mean control over having them there to play without fear of them being take away... but again, I have N64 games on the Wii U I bought, and whilst I technically have control of those games, in reality I don't as the Wii U is packed away in a box!

@GameOtaku,

Who is everyone, as I am sure this is far less people than you think... I prefer being able to sample all the games, without picking and choosing which titles I have already bought.

@johnvboy
But you are going to end up having a lot of memory space taken up by games you have no interest in while before you could buy only what you wanted and if need be could temporarily delete it and retrieve it later.

I don’t see the value in the service. Anyone who doesn’t care about online play is pretty much in the same boat as I am. To me it is a scam since I stand to lose out on most of the benefits. Thanks to the check in requirement I lose access to the only feature I’m interested in vs how I could just buy individual vc titles on my 3ds and play indefinitely. I’ve said it earlier in here but the last games added to the base subscription were back in the summer of last year. That’s around half a year with no new content added. Why are they ignoring it? It’s the same thing over and over again. Can’t they ever learn from their mistakes and actually make good decisions regarding this?! As far as I see it they’d get money whether you subbed or bought a game out right as on VC. So why limit it to just subs? $50 may be cheap compared to other services but if you aren’t getting the most out of the service then it’s a waste. You say I could go in with a family plan and get it cheaper?! Why?! I’d still be in the same boat and would still not have complete access to what I payed for when I want it.

@GameOtaku,

It's a personal choice at the end of the day, I like the new system, you do not.... no biggie, I see your point of view, but do not share it. Thanks for the level headed discussion.

If Nintendo were to release a Switch Virtual console service, I guess I would support that too, and I do feel for you, as you are obviously a fan of Nintendo and their retro content.

@johnvboy
That’s just what I don’t understand. They are in the business of making money so why aren’t they trying to nickel and dime consumers in this way?

@GameOtaku I think it's just a business decision. If they charged less for online but sold retro games separately, then I'd probably buy like 3-4 games tops (either played a million times or not enough interest to purchase). So the amount of money they hose from me with a yearly subscription costs more than that hypothetical. Perhaps Ninty wasnt making a killing selling retro titles individually, and decided to roll it in with the online service (at a higher price) for suckers like me who found a happy medium between price, online and rental of titles I'll rarely touch. Maybe wasnt worth it to them to give consumers more options

Tldr who knows what they're thinking, especially in regards to non online gamers

@electrolite77 Nah it’s ok, as long as you can buy it, or it’s just game pass only?

@GameOtaku,

I would guess the VC business model is far too niche to make them that much money, and they see these games tied to a subscription service a much better option. Pretty sure they would have run the numbers.

Not surprising when the main audience on the Switch is the wider mass market, and those individual virtual console games are competing with the myriad of software on the e-Shop.

@mrMike
Rough estimate between the game boy, gbc, nes and game gear libraries on the 3ds around 80 games or so.

@electrolite77 neither do I friend. I think a lot of it is either misconception about how NSO works (like this idea that you have to be always online to play these games) and a combination of bitterness over there no longer being VC and the idea of "ownership." I think most of those are a little silly to still be bitter over almost 6 years later (especially with digital ownership discussion. I eye roll just as much with the physical or die crowd, yet they are right digital ownership is not really a thing)... But that's life. This isn't politics it's gaming, no need to get so bent out of shape over how people choose to spend their money and enjoyment if it's not hurting anyone.

Well my TedTalk is over, see you next month when this exact same thing happens with the next N64 game.

@electrolite77 That’s great, thank you!

I'll prob just play on rare replay since I already have it on my series s

@Uncle_Franklin
Most probable reason for the Switch having online exclusivity probably related Xbox exclusively getting the HD remaster. Makes it fair for both platforms to have something unique for themselves.

@SwitchplayerJohn
I was referring to the first trailer of the game, not this one.

@ModdedInkling

Remaster would be quite a bit better I think.

If people are being honest this game has not aged at all well.

@Uncle_Franklin
Oh, it definitely hasn't aged well. This is all just for nostalgia, but I suppose there are some who would mindlessly pay for this.

@braincandy101
I was referring to the very first trailer.

@Uncle_Franklin
Update: https://twitter.com/OatmealDome/status/1618977764241203200?t=9OrIulzM_O9F5HKblJF15g&s=19

Welp, looks like there's nothing special about the Xbox version. Just better(?) emulation.

@ModdedInkling it runs better mostly because Microsoft has a better console and are tweaking the game a bit more. Nintendo's is a straight emulation without tweaks and are not running a custom emulator for the game just the standard NSO one. Which to be fair to Nintendo they are constantly improving the emulator and are trying to produce a version closer to the N64 original. Microsoft is releasing a slightly more modern version (better controls ect.). It's just the devil in the details. If you prefer a slightly smoother and modern experience go Xbox, if you want online and a closer to the og version go Nintendo.