Ugh, Sony fanboys, right? With their Uncharteds and their Gods of War and their big, swooshy video game consoles. We all know that the best way to play video games is in bed, and can you play a PS5 in bed? No, partly because it's still sold out everywhere, and partly because you'd have to have a whole TV in your bed, and that leaves no room for snacks.
Since we know what's best for them, we tasked our lovely and very convincing Nintendo fanboy Alex Olney with badgering Push Square (our sister site and DEADLY RIVAL) writer Aaron Potter into getting the Nintendo Switch Online Expansion Pack, which would give him access to Animal Crossing: New Horizons' Happy Home Paradise DLC and a veritable glut of beloved old Nintendo games, like Banjo Kazooie.
In return, Aaron attempted to convince Alex to get a PS5, which is a significantly bigger investment. Who won? You'll have to watch both videos to find out, of course.
Do you own a Switch and a PS5 and a NSO Expansion Pack subscription? Which is the best value for money? Tell us in the comments.
*If you split the cost equally eight ways with a family subscription
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Even as a Nintendo 64 fanboy, I didn't get the online expansion because I don't think it's worth even the small asking price.
If he's a Sony fan boy, then how would he even know what a Nintendo is? As scientists have determined Sony Fanboys can only perceive Playstation related beings in their frontal cortex.
To each their own. I have the subscription and am enjoying the games on it.
Been playing Paper Mario and it's quite charming.
I love the switch, and nintendo, But Not way I'm getting that thing till there is a price drop.
No hate to those who got it tho, buy what makes you happy! (:
Fanboyism is dumb.
Like what you like, but acknowledge the flaws that your favourites have, and acknowledge the appeals of the other side.
-Confucius, probably
I’m a huge Nintendo fan but I didn’t subscribe to the expansion pack thing because it’s too expensive and the emulation didn’t seem great. The online is cool. Wish they were just selling these games $5 each with online features included
PS5 vs NSO Expansion Pack really is the battle for 'worst value based on what's currently available on it' huh. And this is coming from someone who really likes NSO and especially the EP.
I have the Switch and NSO Expansion, but not a PS5 yet.
Ha... Ha. I remember when I was in the worst of my fanboy days as a (pre)-teen, I was such a Nintendo defender I deemed the mere idea of other consoles being advertised to me as offensive. In a fit of rage I vividly remember breaking a Xbox demo disc that came with a gaming magazine that I was subscribed to, soooo very sad.
Not really a fair comparison, plus, he has a Switch. Is he really that big of a fanboy?
Speaking of switch online does anybody know when banjo kazooie comes to EP. I would of thought it would at least have a date by now
Pretty hard to argue between a good deal and a bad one though. Is the outrage over the expansion pack gone already? Are we now cool over paying such a big price increase then?
The NSO expansion pack is still too pricey for me. If Nintendo made the price for it $30 or $35 then I would consider maybe getting it.
@Fizza PS5 has Demon’s Souls, Astro, Deathloop, Returnal and Ratchet and Clank. Regardless of how much I didn’t really like Returnal, that’s plenty proper exclusives for a first year in the middle of a pandemic.
I’ll probably get the expansion pass once I deplete most of my backlog and there’s enough games and content for me to warrant the price. As of now, I have too much else to play. Glad others are enjoying it as the N64 has some incredible titles.
I didn’t watch the video but I assume it’s something like “I’d get a PS5 if they were easy to get” and “I’d get the expansion pass if it offered more or was cheaper”.
@nessisonett proper exclusives?
Deathloop isn’t a proper PS5 exclusive imo. Proper exclusive means it’s ONLY on a PS5 or ONLY on Switch imo But deathloop is on PC day 1. But other titles I agree
@anoyonmus Eh, it counts. I’d still say Monster Hunter Rise was basically a Switch exclusive. PC’s a different sort of ecosystem.
@nessisonett you do you
I have a family plan full of 8 but only 3 of us pay as the rest are kids. I'm still waiting for Nintendo to get off their lazy backsides and show they are willing to work for the price of the expansion pack. Have a look around Nintendo at what the competition do. You can't coast along on your nostalgia brands forever (maybe they realised this by not including urban champion this time round?)
Wouldn't a fairer debate be to convince a Sony fanboy to get a Switch? In my experience they're a different beast, my friend is a big PS fanboy and he might as well be speaking spanish when he talks about his PS stuff, the genres he likes are completely different to what I like. He mostly plays Among Us, modern FPS, Fifa, and narrative TPS games like Uncharted, etc. It's two very different audiences.
Got offered a PS5 yesterday, I'm not convinced about it though.
I see no value in the Nintendo switch online expansion pack at all
I like animal crossing but don't wanna lost access if I cancel, but I'm not a retro gamer.
I love my switch/ps5 combo though. Switch is the better value, but ps5 have the truly next level experiences.
My switch is pretty much a handheld only device, while ps5 dominates the TV. (Ratchet and clank is one of the best games in years)
Edit: the real debate right now is when Lego Star Wars comes out, is handheld enough to offset what the ps5 version will offer
Most of the people I know or pay attention to online are not fanboys. You're not a fanboy when you like all the consoles, right? Either current gen or retro. I wish that mentality would just go away already.
@Expa0
I remember wanting to be popular so bad that I denied I ever liked Nintendo. Then as a junior I realized that I wasn’t popular anyways and Talking up Nintendo could do nothing to hurt me. I also was a lot happier after that.
Convincing editor Sammy Barker of Push Square is more of an impressive feat to me given he’s posted multiple incendiary headlines and shill pieces dumping on Nintendo. He is the main reason I don’t like going to Push Square and get my PS5 news elsewhere, and I would most definitely never want to be in the same room as him.
I also can’t even be bothered to get the NSO EP because it’s too expensive. And I also know some jerk who says games are meant to be expensive and if you can’t afford them you’re cheap or you’re poor and don’t deserve to play video games, yet the pricing makes it seem like he’s right even if the value for the cost is not worth it.
@nessisonett I'm sorry if I came off as spiteful there, I'm kinda more so comparing their prices equivalent to what they have. PS5 also has €70 games (!) which is why I personally think it's bad value (at the moment, and I cannot stress that enough). Especially when, like a lot of people have said, lots of PS5 games are also on PS4 (though that may be ending with the rumours of PS4's being put out to pasture once PS5's are in stable stock).
Honestly a ps5 while pricy has a lot more value then the expansion pack. Especially when the emulation is as bad as it is.
Lol nice joke.
Sony/Nintendo combo is always the best for my tastes!
Spoiler alert: I was a Sony fanboy for a few decades from PS1-4. Last year when a PS5 disappeared from my bestbuy cart, I decided to buy a Switch and couldn't be more happier. Mind you, I grew up with NES & SNES, so buying NSO expansion was a no brainer for someone who never had an N64. Plus I did buy a WiiU in 2018 and bought a lot of retro estore stuff....but still counts because I was a fanboy for Sony for years. Now I buy for both and love/hate both for their plus and minuses
I own a switch with online, X-box Series S with Gamespass and have recently acquired a PS5 with no plans to add a monthly subscription. That way I get to catch up on all the X-box games I missed out on growing up with Mario and Zelda, but I also get the exclusive Sony games that I love, with the added bonus of selling them on when I'm done. The only problem I have now is finding time for my other half. Thankfully she likes to get me out of the way. I'm at an age when I'm okay with that.
At least you can easily buy the expansion whenever, the PS5 is still just a myth.
Multiplatform is the way to go, always. I have every nintendo console and handheld except for the SNES and virtual boy, I have all 7 playstation consoles and handhelds and I have the og Xbox, the X360 and a Xbox Series X. Couldn’t be happier. (Also have a dreamcast, mega drive and CD-i. Still want a saturn, master system, neo geo pocket, neo geo, gamegear, atari jaguar, wonderswan and Nokia Ngage.)
Even as a Nintendo fanboy! I’m not touching that pile of garbage called NES, SNES, N64 online.
The only game that could have sealed the deal for many was goldeneye which is now a Xbox exclusive
Fanboyism can be a good thing, when the PS3 launched, it was a horrible launch, Xbox and Nintendo fanboys making fun of the PS3, helped people know about the many flaws of the console, and at first, it failed on sales, then Sony delivered a bunch of improvements to fix it.
Same happened to the Xbox One, it was a disaster since it was revealed, and all the memes making fun of it was a big reason why it didn't sell as much as they hoped and why Microsoft also made changes to fix most of the issues from the original reveal.
The problem is unconditional fanboyism, never complaining about problems in your own console.
@Digitamamon64 yeah same, I just got it so I could play fortnite and animal crossing with my friends
Meh… I have the family plan and pay like $1 a month for the expansion service. It’s cheap AF so it’s of good value for me.
In conclusion….. get some friends.
(A N64 Classic would have been WAY better though)
I have the expansion but don’t really play much of the retro apps. It’s super cheap and two of my kids play animal crossing so worked out well
PS has some of the most toxic fanboys around. It's a ridiculous mentality in general, and I understand it since in my teens I was a massive Nintendo fanboy. Realizing its about the games, not the hardware, was a wonderfully liberating feeling.
Just had a thought, I don't think I've ever seen any of the PushSquare's staffs faces... I can only assume @get2sammyb is the alien from Mars Attack.
I've made it no secret that I personally enjoy Nintendo 64 Online quite a bit. But despite my hardcore Nintendo fanboyism, the PS5 is the first non-Nintendo system I desperately want to own. Hope I can get my hands on one, eventually.
Eh. Play Ocarina on 3DS. Silliness.
@Pickledthethird
Seriously. It's truly sad the way Nintendo fanboys let the big N keep bending them over and still asking for more.
@Savino
What's the $4? For cloud saves you need to spend the $20 for the year.
@Finntendo64 I would love to know too. At this point, I expect it to be suddenly dropped on NSO with no other fanfare, similar to the recent Genesis batch.
@Joeynator3000
That would be because NSO isn't a physical object and thus has unlimited supply. But yet Nintendo still overprices it
@EVIL-C tell that to Sammy Barker 😂 where we’ve both seen and commented on in the past
Why would someone that prefers playstation want switch online especially now when 'sparticus' is supposed to be revealed soon
As usual Nintendo put in the least amount of effort unfortunately. Overpriced, broken games, and zero acknowledgement from Nintendo. Sony and Microsoft have both made mistakes and owned up and fixed it. Nintendo wont even admit they have a joycon drift
I didnt know the console wars were still a thing.
I thought we were all at a place where most owned different consoles and/or respected/ liked most all of them.
I mean, I would love to get a PS5 and an Xbox Series X eventually, once they became more readily available. But with the pandemic still going on, and the resulting chip shortage causing issues with manufacturing these consoles, I am not willing to pay through the nose to either get a bundle or pay a scalper.
As it is, I desperately need a new MacBook Pro (typing this on my Windows gaming desktop right now because my MacBook Pro is basically shot), but until I get my student debt paid off (which will hopefully be by the middle of this year), I'm trying to hold off on making any major purchases.
The only major purchase I plan to make this year is an Apple Watch, but that's for utility purposes (I need a way to communicate with my parents, who I currently live with, because my employer will not allow me to have my phone on me while working, meaning I won't get their text messages or phone calls).
I never owned the 64 as i had a PS1 at the time so i got the Expansion Pack to play games i missed out on and so far it's ok but wish they had more games i would like maybe GoldenEye please but i don't see that happening
I have the NSO+ but i totally understand why someone wouldn't get it. The thing is, if you break it all down, it's actually great value for what you pay.
I mean the N64 games if they were being sold on VC would be minimum $10 each. Ocarina would probably be $15 and Banjo would be at least $20. The SNES and Genesis games would be $3-$6 each and the NES games would be $1-$3 each.
Now id rather i didn't pay to use online but that battle has already been lost, there is no point getting worked up over that fact anymore because it is a fact now. Most I'd be willing to pay for Nintendo's Shoddy online service, without game lobbies, VC or a coherent friend adding system, would be $12 per year ($1 per month), which means i get everything else for $38.
It's honestly decent value for money, it's hard not to realise that when you look at it individually.
The problem is, everyone is comparing it to PS+ and Xbox Live and next to those services, it really doesn't even come close. Which is the reason i 100% understand why people don't buy into the NSO service.
I'm on my 2nd year of Family NO with over 500 hours in ACNH and I don't think I could be convinced to get NO+.
Thiiiiiiiiis is stupid, I thought console wars were finally calming down already, damn it
I have the ps5 and the switch, but there's no way I'm paying for old games or re-releases.
I have NSO. Mostly for Banjo. And the inevitable Goldeneye.
I also have a PS5. Mostly for Spider-Man, Astrobot and Ratchet & Clank.
I’m a very lucky human. I’m very pleased with PS5. I can’t wait to be pleased with NSO
NSO only if I need it but not family NSO yet. NSO are only if the game is Digital only or if you use backup to Cloud.
That was either great satire or the worst argument for something, ever made. The expansion pack is a travesty. Giving it even cursory support for a handful of N64 games, actually purchasable Genesis games and an Animal Crossing DLC, NONE of which you actually own licenses for, is horrible imho.
I hate this whole 'Renting games is the future' thinking. Game Pass is nice if you're on a budget, but it supports all gems on the console and ALLL OF THEM are purchaseable. NSO+ is garbage. Rental only bullcrap.
Love my Switch but my 3DS will never be far from me with all these classics already on it.
@Fizza
I love my PS5. It’s been a great first year so far with it.
In what way is it bad value?
I'll get a PS5 when the new VR is out, or if they lower the price and redesign the console. More games would be nice too. I got a Switch and a Series X, and those are outstanding for their own right. Gamepass is great. I'd thought I would not like it, but I was wrong.
@Severian I thought Sammy was the fanboy this articles' title was referring to. XD He's just...ugh.
@AgentLA
I’m rocking the PS5 and Switch currently.
Gonna pick up a Series S sometime this year.
Fanboyism is insane to me.
As a huge N64 fanboy with great nostalgia for that system the clear winner is….the PS5 (well actually Series X) (In fact if we’re just talking value Series S is in the reckoning).
@TheRedComet Just too expensive in my opinion. It just feels like a skewed ratio since so many of the games on it look FANTASTIC but I doubt I'll be able to play them (at least for a number of years) when:
A. The system itself is €500 and
B. The games are €70
I understand if you dislike what I'm saying since it is somewhat flawed logic in some aspects but, with how frugal I am with the money I'm given, I would prefer to pour it into something that has a smaller initial cost, includes some of the best games ever made and has one of the biggest retro libraries on any system all wrapped up in something I can play wherever is the most convenient. Highly respect Playstation (I'm a long time lurker on Push Square for instance) but these factors are too hard to look past for me specifically.
@Fizza
I get that. And fully respect it. The console itself is expensive but i feel like it was worth it.
I’ve only paid 70 bucks for one game so far. Ratchet and Clank. I’m frugal myself so for most games I wait for sales. I paid right at 38 bucks for Returnal, and about 45 for Ghost of Tsushima Directors cut.
It’s very, very rare that I pay full price for a game. I’m patient and willing to wait for sales, either physical or digital.
Horizon Forbidden West I’m paying… too much for. Because the first one was my favorite PS4 game bar none and I’m mega excited for the sequel. So I’m getting the Steelbook special edition.
Other than that though, I wait for sales or find trade deals. I’m a big Last of Us fan and I didn’t even buy Part II at full price on PS4. I waited till it was 30 bucks and snagged it then.
@TheRedComet Thanks for understanding. I have a tendency to be very... direct I think is the word for it when it comes to talking about this kind of thing. I am absolutely considering getting a PS4 when I have more expendable income due to that being far cheaper and having tons of amazing games instantly for cheaper because of it's age (though that could be a problem if the rumours I was talking about earlier persist).
Then again, I'm the guy who's enjoying the Expansion Pack so what do I know about money .
@Expa0 dude I bet if you sold the demo disk (before you broke it) you might get some solid money!😅
I bet that demo disks goes for a pretty fortune nowadays!
Edit:nevermind! Doesn’t look like it sells pretty good online. :/
I'm sure if a "PS fanboy" was shown what was offered for NSO + expansion then they would laugh their butt off.
I got psplus with my PS4 because it gave me a "free" game I actually wanted to play and a discount on another game I wanted. Each month I was given two to three another full, recently made games, not all were good but I got some good ones, ones that cost 59.99 on switch. I got control when it was relatively new. I had the original NSO for one year, and used the 100$ voucher. I bought 1 game but ended up waiting 11 more months before Nintendo released a good AAA game that I wanted to play, then was forced to get an old game, I didn't really want that much before my voucher expired. I also played the SNES games for 3 minutes before I got bored. Generally bad experience with NSO. Generally good experience with psplus. My favourite game is Metroid, and I don't have a favourite Sony franchise. I am a fan of some Nintendo games but not of NSO. I got a PS4 solely because the same multiplatform games are often quarter of the price sold on switch and they run better too.
One thing that I wasn’t expecting was how easy it would be to play my PS5 in bed or on the go.
I even bought an extra dualsense to keep it paired with my iPad for on the go play session. Granted remote play is far from perfect but still pretty usable most of the time… yes we lose in visual fidelity but it’s still ahead of the switch on most days.
At the end of the day I still love my switch, it’s just for a different type of games, namely exclusive and less graphically intense games, for the rest it’s the PS5. The switch does a fine job with a lot of games but compromise are smaller on PS5 for multi platform. To me the switch work best when it does it’s own thing, there’s a reason why Nintendo don’t go for too realistic games, the cartoon looks on their games suits it perfectly and makes the game look like there’s no compromise.
With this split the only thing I don’t like on the switch is the load time, it never was a problem until the PS5 but spoiled me… same goes for non optimized ps4 game, loading are something you don’t miss…
@TheRedComet Agreed. Play with what you like. I've owned every console the past two gens and this will most likely end up the same. They all offer something unique and different.
@RubyDevilNine since it generates clicks, yes
The PS5's value proposition being inferior to that of the Switch at this point in the console cycle would make this question moot, but it is interesting that we are comparing a premium service from one to the base product of the other.
Regardless, I feel that I am obligated to support the human with the furrier face (Monsieur Olney). I mean, he almost has more on his than I do on mine. In fact, this seems to be a recurrent theme with the men of NL. Why this cultural difference between the Nintendo and Sony writers? They're both based in Luff-bra, aren't they? (Aside: I forgive you your smooth-faced look, Jon. For now.)
Should’ve tried to convince the Nintendo fan to get PS+. Imo PS+ is the best of the online subscription models. (Gamepass Ultimate, which comes with XBL Gold is a more premium service and costs even more, but I’m not counting it, just XBL Gold, PS+ and NSO). XBL Gold has had pretty disappointing games for many years. Switch Online doesn’t even give us regularly scheduled games, but has some amazing ones from time to time. PS+ actually gets a lot of new titles and newish games. Last year users got FF7 remake, this year they got Persona 5 Strikers among other games.
Some good arguments , but it didn't convince me to get expansion pass. I really don't know anyone who plays Switch so family pass is out.
I watched the other video too of trying to convince Alex to buy PS5. I've never payed much attention to playstation, but I'd have to say all the images of 'gritty' 3D games don't appeal to me at all. I wish some Switch games could have better frame rates/slightly more consistent performance and graphics, but I love the art style both 2D and 3D of a lot of Switch games.
That's like trying to sell someone snake oil, a total rip off.
At face value, PushSquare easily wins. I couldn't think of a good way to sell NSO Expansion Pack even if I wanted to.
I have a Switch and a PS5, Sony's online package is an actual deal, if for nothing else than the member discounts and free games throughout the year. I'm a retro enthusiast, the Nintendo Online thingy is right up my alley, but the price is bad and the emulation doesn't look all that great. Because I love Nintendo, but because Nintendo systems are often too unpowered for top tier titles, I always grab a Sony. I followed a few Twitter feeds concerning PS5 in-stock news and nabbed one after a few weeks
I'm a Nintendo fanboy and I don't even want the Expansion Pack. What hope do you have of convincing a Sony fanboy?
This month I got Persona 5 Strikers on PS plus, theres not enough room here to type what I got new on Game pass. What did I get new on NSO+ this month, pretty sure its zero. We have gotten what a hand full of games for it since it launched, never mind the fact that the N64 emu hates you and makes your game saves vanish. I turned my NSO+ auto renew off a long time ago, as it stands right now not even close to worth it. Enough ranting, back to Persona 5 Strikers!
@Fizza I have a PS5 since launch (yes I know I'm incredibly lucky), and I've only played 1 exclusive game, R&C (and Astro Bot), but in hindsight that isn't the main reason I own one. Going back to the PS4 feels very archaic. The DualSense and reduced load times are such a game changer. Games on PS4 are as slow as molasses in comparison. I bought it for exclusives, but I'm now more happy I got it for the QOL upgrade. And I was going to get one anyway, so there wasn't any point in waiting.
@Octane
Agree with all of this-it also applies to my Series X. Lots of games look better and run smoother, everything loads up more quickly and there are a few truly next gen games as well. To me they’re worth every penny.
Spoiler alert: They both went off and bought a Xbox with 12 months Games Pass when no one was looking...
We tried to convince a regular dude to eat horse dung.
You can easily play a PS5 in bed and I have done that with an iPad Pro and remote play.
honestly, I get that this is tongue in cheek, yet I don't understand the desire to try convincing people to buy stuff from your favored games company.
maybe that's just me--as someone who grew up on the PS2, then the DS and 360, then PC and XB1, soon a Deck, and eventually planning to finally get a Switch (Deck first tho since I already have a massive PC library and then I won't have to rebuy Dead Cells and Hades for my inevitable roguelite fix) and PS5 over the next year for their exclusives--but I do not care for "loyalty" with platform holders. some of my favorite games ever remain Pokémon Diamond and Ratchet & Clank: Deadlocked, as they were formative to my development as an adolescent gamer, but I will stan neither company. they can just give me the goods and our financial relationship ends there.
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