Troy Baker Backtracks On NFT Plans And Issues Apology

I choose Hate.

Its really 3 choices, Create, hate or for the 99.99% for people who self report to hate, not understand.

Is an NFT just a picture? I don't really get it, why would you buy a Jpeg that can easily be screengrabbed and shared around still.

At least finish the wording of the second choice... "create... lots of money for other people"

NFT! Metaverse! Buzz words!

I'll be going with hate. This stuff is so dumb, but money buys reason and dignity.

Hate the hussle, not the player

You don't need a unnessary energy and material wasting Technology to create something that has the same "benefit" as nft has.
A simple databank with two factor authentification just works the same, but doesn't waste as much as blockchains.

Hate, of course.

@Clyde_Radcliffe
You don't even buy the jpg, just the nft that says that image is yours.

@Clyde_Radcliffe An NFT is just a piece of data that is proven to be unique by a blockchain, which is a series of computers that run lots of increasingly complex maths to be able to prove that, that data is unique.
NFTs can be attached to anyting, the common scam is attaching it to an image file and selling that as a thing people 'own'. However NFT do not grant image rights, so the owner can't use the image they now 'own' for other things, and as you say, others can just right click and save the image anyway and have their own, free copy. You can potentially attach legal ownership of the thing the NFT is attached too, but most places don't do that, they're literally selling you a single instance of an infinitely reproducible digital entity. Creating scarcity where scarcity is not thing

It's really not about the art, it's about money. People pay for them in the hopes that someone else will then buy I off them for more.

The best analogy I can think is if you went to an art gallery and each piece had a machine under that had a big button you could press to get a free print of that artwork you could take and keep. Them to one side there is a print exactly the same as what comes from the machine, but with a small piece of paper stapled to it that says "special!" and that one isn't free, it costs £10,000.
You can stick that little piece of paper with 'special' written on it on anything, in this case it's audio files.

It's like that except with more layers of pyramid scheme, money laundering and people who already have too much money saying things like "decentralised", "the metaverse" and "web 3" to try and bamboozle/scare people into giving them money for nothing.

The quote ‘Money For Old Rope’ is outdated. Now we have ‘Money For New NFT’s”

I really like to think that if I got rich and famous that I would hold more integrity, but many many rich and famous people make me wonder if it's actually possible.

@Ogbert
Additionaly: The NFT does not include the picture or whatever and is but a line of code detailing current and past ownership.

Hope the NFT ship sinks soon

So this doesn't even make any sense, as usual with these things.

What is Troy actually selling with his NFTs here? Is it an audio clip, because one audio clip doesn't allow you to "create customized audiobooks, Youtube videos, e-learning lectures, or even podcasts with your favorite voice!"

So is he selling you the voice itself? Is he creating AIs that can seamlessly recreate his entire range of character voices and then nobody else, including himself, can use that voice? Like if Charles Martinet taught an AI to talk like Mario, then he sold that AI and the rights to that voice to the highest bidder?

Things just don't add up here.

@Ogbert Thanks, that's ridiculous, can't believe how gullible and wasteful with their money people are...

NFC and Metaverse felt like they appeared absolutely of nowhere last year as part of some coordinated effort, the industry types pushing it have the same aggressive to passive aggressive tone like that Square guy going on about how gamers valuing fun was getting in the way of this BS.

Sometimes you just need to read a thread of arrogant people getting dragged

Actually crypto, for the amount of transactions it does, uses less energy than traditional banking. And even traditional banking uses less energy than it used to, by using computers rather than huge numbers of people in heated buildings.

But who cares?

Benefit of NFTs? It boost the economy from the crap in 2020.

Drawbacks of NFTs? Literally everything else, including the wasteful power consumption, scummy NFT creation from stealing art, etc.

How could you not choose Hate? There's just so many more problems with NFTs.

I don't think many people have read this properly. Actually sounds like an area where NFTs make sense if you ask me (assuming they can do it without a huge carbon footprint and arent going to sell thousands of "different" voices that are almost identical). Also you can take or leave this, it doesn't sound like NFTs creeping into your favourite games which definitely is something to shout about.

Think I will hate.

Also Fun fact: I saw someone selling the TF2 log as a NFT.. take that for what you will.

I choose to Create…
… A better future for my planet by rejecting this nonsense.
At Best, NFTs are a scam. At worst, they’re destroying the planet.

@Clyde_Radcliffe Go into your phone settings where it shows your serial number, can I have that number please? Car registration? National insurance number?

"Hate or create"

Can we seriously talk about this?. LIke, I get that we as gamers find a way to hate a lot of things, and that in itself is toxic, but trying to paint all criticism as toxic hate is far more toxic.

It's straight up 'obey, consume' BS.

Hate, absolutely! Hate NFTs and the scumbags that create them, and lure once-celebrated stars like Troy Baker and many others, and once-celebrated game companies like Square and Konami even further in their downward descent into history.

People have "created" for literally hundreds of thousands of years without digital crap attached to it that puts a price tag on one iteration of a thing and burns an acre of rainforest with the energy it takes to keep track of the sales!

Yes, I will hate NFTs to the grave... mine or the planet's, Troy! Next question?

In this case, unquestionably hate.
When you try to guilt trip critics of your hussle as being hateful, you deserve everything that's coming your way and then some.
He's poisoning the well like a chem factory dumping waste into a river.

What a load of old guff. Never heard of this guy either 🤷‍♂️

In America of the 1800s, guys like this were known as snake-oil salesmen.

"Create"
NFT's are just another money laundering scheme, and everyone knows this, yet these rich mfers expect us to play along as if it's a good thing.

Hate. Never really liked the guy anyway so at least this gives me good reason 😂

NFTs don't sound any less silly over time to me, but Troy should have asked the question to audiences - they are known for creation, even if the results are oh so oxymoronically dubbed "fanworks" out of habit. Fans, being manifestations of a destructive parasitic mentality, kinda major in the other option.

Wanna buy an NFT?

You don't want to sell me NFTs

I don't wanna sell you NFTs

You want to go home and rethink your life

I want to go home and... rethink my life

@SlySnake0407 I haven’t listened in a while but having listened to a lot of episodes this news surprised me. Didn’t think Troy would be up for something like this? 🤦

"We aren't saying Voice NFT is the perfect-child in the family of NFTs."
What a horrible family that must be.

I just don’t get how so many companies and individuals keep jumping on the NFT train when the hate for them seems unanimous amongst the masses outside of a group of people who have more money than sense and whose entire online personas are built on NFTs and investing in crypto.

Hope the bubble bursts and soon. I’ve seen people spend tons of money on dumb **** before but this takes the cake.

I'm not hating and you're not creating, Troy. Something as silly and pointless as NFTs shouldn't be hated, just ignored and forgotten about.

Also, the NFT Blockshain details "ownership" of [something] within A not THE Blockchain.
Also, there is no real "ownership" as a Blockchain is no official registrar, like a patent or copyright.
You have therefor no "ownership" of anything, as it's not officially registered as such or otherwise officially recognised

I was more interested in the press release from the company (I can take or leave Troy Baker anyway; his tweet was ridiculously poor).

They’re really trying the hard sell with words like “IMAGINE”, attempting to get us to think about the potential of voice NFTs. It really depends how much ‘voice’ you actually own. IMAGINE it’s just a catchphrase or soundbite - ain’t nobody making audiobooks from that.

Awful. Avoid. Your money is better off elsewhere.

The latest south park special really understood how NTF works. It's a great tool to sell virtual crap to idiots with too much money.

Why don't they show what can be done with the NFTs before labelling people? People are hating on this due to the obvious environmental impacts, they can only be convinced if they see what NFT can offer in gaming that wasn't possible otherwise. And if they are not, they are fully entitled to hate on this planet-killer.

I really like that first example. Respect first last and formost while still asserting how they feel.

Things aren't always black and white...
Amirite pokemon fans?

@Ironcore create, hate, deny, appathize, or communicate a different point of view.

Personally I like option 5

@Richnj yeah, I strongly dissaprove of a "hate or create" mindset. It isn't healthy to act like someone agrees with you or they're wrong. It's ok to respectfully disagree with the opinions. Of others.

"Swear to me.... swear to me that EVERYTHING that you said about NFT's is true."

@Mortenb source?

@ModdedInkling if by "boost the economy" you mean the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, then yes.

How would I explain this to a young child? Hmm, let's see...

"You, yes you, could be the undisputed owner of this genuine original Rosalinho comment! Yes, it's totally worthless, and yes, anyone with an Internet connection can read it, but you, good sir or madam, could one day sell it to an even bigger berk with even deeper pockets (but probably won't)! Step right up? Do I hear £10000?"

@NLkize yeah, just because I disagree with Pro-NFT-ers (nifties?) Doesn't make me a hater and not a creator.

@Keyblade-Dan underrated reference, would give you ten hearts if I could.

@Filth_Element
"i'm playing both sides so I always come out on top"

Not all technologies are a step forward. NFTs are highly inefficient, basically useless, and are a step backward on many levels. I try to see the positive in most things, but for NFT, the costs outweigh any minor or perceived benefits. They're trash.

Like so many others have said already, it's just another way for rich people to line their pockets a little bit more (off of the backs of people who lack critical thinking skills).

@Dilly-Mick
Not to mention some of that money is technically stolen when someone uses another person's art and makes it into an NFT.

NFTs are basically pyramid schemes and your ownership is almost completely dependent on someone like OpenSea not choosing to delist them. (https://support.opensea.io/hc/en-us/articles/1500010625362-Why-are-my-items-and-collections-delisted-)

So at best you are leasing a token on someone's server that says you own something that you really don't, while at worse you basically just gave your money away and are left holding a digital receipt that is worthless.

But as always, a fool and his money are soon departed.

I'm old enough that the repercussions for the planet will take place after I'm dead, so I'm just looking forward to the inevitable collapse of this money-making scheme and the delicious comeuppance the people pushing this garbage will receive.

This is a much more interesting idea than a random JPEG you'd own and I can actually see a unique, AI generated voice retaining value. However, until the environmental effects of crypto mining can be addressed, I still don't see any real value in any NFT of any kind.

Neat idea, fascinating technology, not worth the trade-off.

How about, we create hate towards NFT's

The only NFT I approve of is Nice effin T*ts (cuz I like birds)

@Ogbert I was going to post something similar because I also don't see how this voice NFT can be all they say it can. It would need to be a whole suite, rather than a voice clip. You would have to have an AI, and have a whole bunch of the actor's voice clips recorded to make any kind of natural sounding anything. Basically, what they're offering doesn't sound like NFT at all, but something entirely different they want to sell.

"Create or hate"? Might as well say "create or [expletive expression]". You don't go with that attitude when you announce a product or project.

Yes, I don't understand NFTs that well. But no, I don't think all those companies jumping to the NFT trend are doing it to innovate their games, they're just going after the $$$.

Should have just done a funko pop, those are hideous but at least they are not a form of gambling.

Was he paid in standard money or crypto to advertise this? I'd guess probably standard money.

They're becoming self-aware.

@Zuljaras As seen with RAID Shadow Legends.

@Dilly-Mick It's my opinion based on different articles I read in the past.
But actually it is a claim that is hard to say either way about. At the very least it is unclear what is the situation. I expect the future of crypto energy consumption to change wildly based on why people use it also. Today it is a speculative gamble for most, so energy costs does not matter, as long as prices go up. But since nothing grows into the skies, the costs must someday come down. The alternative is that the tech simply disappear. Regardless, any issue will simply resolve itself in the end.
My reasoning is that, first, most of the articles look at only Bitcoin, which is the least efficient of the technologies, so that for the long term wildly overestimates the energy usage.
Those articles find that, while a pure comparison is very hard to do, Bitcoin does consume on the order of the same amount of energy as the Banking industry. The other techs, which in the long term will outcompete Bitcoin for regular transactions, since people will have to actually pay for the electricity when they perform transactions. Today it is only possible to keep Bitcoin going because people are for the most part only keeping it as value goes up, not using it, which will spell it's inevitable death (or more likely, spawn a tweak of the tech to use less energy). It's like tulip mania at this point, on which a bit of energy was indeed wasted, without that meaning that tulips are in general a waste of energy. If they were, they would not exist.
Then there is the adaptability of the mining to move about and thus use energy mostly where there is actually a surplus. Miners to a great deal shut down when energy cost goes up, and start when they go down. So they can use energy where there is less need for it, thus actually freeing up energy where there is more use of it. Thus the total energy cannot be compared to the more static traditional banking operations in the first place, since it always has to compete with other consumers who are stuck in location. And this effect is likely to only increase in the future as the transaction costs will become the main focus of users when the value is no longer simply going up by itself and people can just ignore the issue.
I can't actually find the articles I have read on this now. But the main point is just to spark thoughts on the matter anyway. Things are almost never as simple as we like them to be, so a few numbers from any source are not sufficient to settle the issue.

Can somebody tell me why NFTs are going to be so bad for gaming? Aside from the environmental issues, it sounds like NFTs could in theory allow the user to sell their assets on, and gives them more potential to outlast a game after servers are closed down. Is that not better than, say, buying a skin on Fortnite only to be stuck with it forever, with no opportunity to re-sell.

The main argument I'm hearing is 'NFTs are a scam', and that feels like calling 'money' a scam because people are scammed out of it all the time. There is certainly an overwhelming amount of trashy low-effort NFTs with the sole purpose of making the creator(s) rich, but that doesn't make the concept a scam.

Another argument I hear is that the buyers are being duped into buying them without realising they can be copied endlessly, which I'm finding to be untrue (I literally can't find evidence of anyone being surprised that an NFT they've bought can have its representative image or video ripped and shared endlessly).

Can someone give me a valid reason as to why this is going to affect us all negatively? I don't want responses that talk about completely unrelated NFT scams, I want to talk about the damage it will do to gaming.

@larryisaman Have you seen the concerted effort their benefactors and proponents go through to demonize the opposition? It's borders unhinged insanity to downright brainrot levels of unhinged.

@Zuljaras Not everyone will sellout for a price. The holy martyrs in the first century didn’t. Look at people like St. Bartholomew who had their skin peeled off, yet still refused to recant to the point that they chopped his head off. Look at St. Peter who went to be crucified and told them to do it upside down. Look at St. Ignatius of Antioch who would rather be torn apart by animals than recant. Those who sellout are without discipline and virtue.

@MegaVel91 I haven’t, no! To be honest I’ve steered clear of the whole NFT world after watching a video explaining Bored Apes and feeling like my brain would completely smooth over if I paid any more attention to it all

tbh - my backlog is pretty huge, haha. so huge that I prolly won't ever be able to play it all. puts me in a position where I just dont need to buy that many games and can leave NFTs for other people to invest their money in, right?

@Mortenb I agree it's possible for crypto to become more energy efficient and have already improved with the switch to proof of stake.... Not entirely sure sure if we can actually afford devoting so much of our climate related R&D to this sort of thing but I digress.

But it also sounds like you don't actually know how banks compare in terms of energy per transaction... Am I understanding that correctly?

@Yorumi the things no-one talks about.

If you don't like NFT's, then don't buy them. Other than that, let people try to become successful/make money in this world and STFU. I've never once paid for any micro-transaction, in-game skin, you name it. No interest in that garbage whatsoever, but I don't go out of my way to try to stop others from offering it. Everyone wants to make money, to support themselves, their families, whatever. Stop being petty and trying to block a way for others to do so.

@-Juice- to be fair the holy martyrs either lived humbly their whole life or were brought down to humility by highly spiritual experiences. Generally speaking, they were never rich, or even popular, durring their ministry.

Surely you are familiar with this scripture:
It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of god,
Interperet it how you will

@Dragonstar ... What if I told you that blockchain technology is hurting people.

Sure, let people enjoy things, there's nothing wrong with an honest side hustle... But not at the expense of others and the planet.

@Dilly-Mick who is it hurting? And how the heck is offering NFT's
hurting the planet? LOL. It's no different than offering in-game micro-transactions.

Hate or create

Damn that's so low and scummy to put it that way.

NFTs in gaming are NEVER positive and exist PURELY for companies to earn more money.

You can create good and bad stuff so on it's own that wording is vague.

Same with hating, he puts the word hating in a way of "the one that hate do not understand, the ones that hate are bad"

Hating something doesn't mean the person hating something is bad it depends on the situation.

Anyhow he could also say "I tweet this because I want more money" the end,. because this guy has a very long list of stuff he did voice acting for, it's not someone that needs to beg for money, if you go that route you do this because you want more money.

Seems like he bought into the corporate talk and had $$ for eyes, without even checking what he was endorsing... Not a smart move

@Dragonstar you realise how much energy it takes to "mint" just a single NFT? Something which is literally useless and just scamming people for money. It's a huge waste, and that's harmful. Just google it

https://www.wired.com/story/nfts-hot-effect-earth-climate/

I hadn't ever heard of this guy before today. Hopefully, I don't hear from him ever again either. What an idiot.

@Yorumi Firstly, nobody is assuming that you'll be able to just take all of your property to other games without code to support it, trust me.

From what I can see, as NFTs are blockchain-based, developers are using existing marketplaces so that items can be bought and sold (more) freely. Therefore NFTs have the potential to facilitate in-game items having some real-world value (for better or for worse). This is at least incentivising publishers to allow players some means of re-selling their items. If I buy something, I'd much rather have the freedom to re-sell it somehow. While I agree that devs can add (and already have added) marketplaces to games, they're complex to develop and sustain. So basically, NFTs can facilitate (or at least incentivise) developers in allowing assets to be re-sold in games where money is already exchanged for those assets.

In terms of gas fees, do you think credit card companies don't charge fees, and consumers don't indirectly pay such fees whenever something is sold? I think we can all accept that there's a cost involved here.

Frankly, most of your other arguments about the negatives are speculative slippery slope arguments about how they'll be implemented and how the whole gaming industry will change (e.g. RMT bots - I could speculate that there'll be less of a need for them with legitimate marketplaces available. Your argument that it will definitely exacerbate the issue is pretty bold). You're imagining games where there will be rampant trading for real world money, and that's probably going to happen to some capacity. Will it happen for every game? No. Will it be massively detrimental to gaming as a whole? Who knows, but I'm still waiting for compelling evidence that shows that it will be. Will there be some cynical cash grabs by developers? Yes, but they're already plaguing the industry (i.e. doesn't 'pay to win systems, they will set up loot boxes and gambling, and they will find every way to make the games all about money' sound quite familiar already?).

I'm not saying NFTs are god's gift to us all, but I'm still not getting any compelling arguments that justify the extreme vitriol (aside from the environmental issues).

I hear his tweets like Simon Krieger from Miles Morales.

Doing NFTs in general is "a bit antagonist". Any announcement of them is always met with negativity so why do people even bother?

Bro is a voice actor. He helps tell other people's stories. Lol what.

It was also a bit stupid. And by "a bit stupid", I actually mean "hella stupid".

just stay civilized and stay friendly.

Welp if I ever do become a game dev I know what NOT to do.😃

@larryisaman To give examples:

Back when they started pushing hard for artists to join the scam, they would make claims to other artists who follow other artists that were vehemently against it that "they don't understand artists", or that they "want artists to not make any money"... Among a whole host of other response decoupled from reality.

They even have made a derogatory acronym term NGMI which means "Not gonna make it" a derisive jab at detractors implying they're not gonna get rich because they refuse to participate in the scam.

I've lost some respect for Troy for cashing in on this scam.

pshhh, what a load of bullcrap. I easily choose hate, i would never waste my money on this kind of bullcra- oh ***** my nintendo online expansion pack subscription is up, gotta go pay it!

I think this might be my line in the sand. I’m not interested in playing any game that incorporates NFTs or play to earn.

@nimnio You say Beanie Babies, my mind goes to Furbies.

was ein schwurbler

@Baker1000 minting an NFT rarely cost any energy. It's just the Ethereum network that is sucking up huge amounts of energy (whether NFTs are minted on it or not). Ethereum is switching to a proof-of-stake protocol so the energy issues will be fixed within a few years.

And this article is talking about the Solana and Polygon network, wich doesn't have any energy problems to begin with.

So please read the article first before you start with the BS arguments.

He can do whatever he want. People should focus on something productive than raging over someone whos folks disagree on social media.

Some people have too much time on their hands I suppose.

I can’t wait for the dust to settle on blockchain/distributed ledgers technology, because the space is so absolutely dominated by grifters and gamblers trying to cash in that potentially legitimate benefits and usages get lumped in and subsequently written off. It’s really hard to parse the good from the bad right now.

@dBackLash NFTs are BS made by BSers to rinse money from gullible people. Essentially selling the Brooklyn bridge to idiots. Like when you could buy a star and name it for someone but only you couldn’t. Why you’re sticking up for such a scam I don’t know, but maybe it’s making you rich.

I prefer Liam O'Brien and Jamieson Price anyday

@Baker1000 ah so you're saying you have no idea what a NFT actually is?

@Dragonstar If you don't like the comments, then don't read them. Other than that, let people try to vent frustrations at Ponzi schemes in this world and STFU.

Didn't realize the Head from art attack had his own game

I've never been a fan of his. His voice acting work is fine but I always found him to be a tool.

I choose create...hate.

Hmmm Troy has had an interesting discussion on the tweet on Play Watch Listen. Seems he wasn’t trying to ‘come at me bro’ with “hate or create” lol still pretty stupid though. The dude is like anyone out to make money and provide for his family which is understandable. Wonder if he will back out as he’s receiving a lot of flak for it.

Anyway which ever side of the NFT argument you fall on just try to be nice to each other.

@Dilly-Mick Nobody knows the answer to such questions. It's virtually impossible. In the end, we can only sit back in our armchairs and think rationally about it. If we all the time focus on some metric, we will all the time choose away the options that are easier to measure the costs of, and choose the options that are more nebulous to us. But in theory, the felt usefulness per price should be enough to find the least energy demanding option.

In the long term, we could expect the one that uses the least energy to win out among consumers, as it will be the cheaper option to use for the people who want to use it.
The speculative element will die out, and then no one will hold it, or bother mining it, unless it provides a cheaper option, and all energy expenditure will be factored in to the use, unless someone starts "mining" at a loss to "be nice".

One problem for crypto is though, that the banking industy is already heavily subsidised by the central banks, which have created a situation where bank only to get a hold of the most money, and make the riskiest gambles they can possibly get away with, which again has created the situation that all the banks will now have infinite money supplies no matter what they do, as long as they all sort of do it to the same extent. So consumers already have a massive incentive to choose the banks, no matter how much wasteful activities they are up to, as there are no costs. So therefore I do not have great hopes for crypto to actually be able to become a contender, until the central banking system of the world just collapses, at which point, internet will probably be killed anyway, so no.. the discussion is probably moot. It will die of it's own accord.

@Mortenb I'll be frank with you: tl/dr

All I'm saying is, if it's speculation that's fine, but don't go presenting it like it's fact.

@Baker1000 by the numbers Proof of Stake is a huge improvement over Proof of Work (which several blockchain legers, including bitcoin still use) but POS still uses a lot of energy.

If I did my math right, only 16 transactions in the most energy-efficient leger today uses the same amount of energy as charging your phone for 10 minutes.

How many blockchain transactions do you think happen every 10 minutes?... I don't have a statistic but bitcoin alone (which still uses POW, remember), has up to 40 transactions per minute on average. Taken together, blockchain servers account for thousands, if not millions, of phones charging 24/7

@Dilly-Mick thank you, someone else who sees sense

@Yorumi "You seem to have made up your mind to disregard anything just because it hasn't already been implemented".

No, I'm just not wildly speculating about the potential bad things. You seem to be hung up on your theories and your anxiety about them. My points are speculative, but I'm talking about their potential (i.e. I'm not saying they'll change the game in a major way, but that I can understand their utility to an extent)

"You also don't seem to quite understand what evidence actually means. Evidence is grounds for belief, not absolute proof".

Actually, the fact that they're not the same thing is kind of my point. You don't have any evidence for bold claims like 'bots will be everywhere', 'it will become a stock exchange' etc., and you're continuing to say stuff 'with certainty'. The stock exchange point is particularly OTT considering that Ether has unresolved scalability issues that limit the possibility of trading on such a large scale. I'm failing to see how the introduction of NFTs is definitely going to have this catastrophic effect on gaming, particularly when you've already stated that a lot of the stuff that NFTs promise can be done without the technology.

I'm just arguing for less of a kneejerk reaction to these announcements. It's very early days, and as much as you're 'certain', I very much doubt you're able to predict the future. Making crazy predictions doesn't work in an industry that moves so incredibly fast.

Surprise surprise when they realize nobody wants nfts they instantly backpeddle

Dudes literally threatened to cancel him... this is why Snyder's Justice League was made. I'm a little sick of the toxic fan culture that threatens people's livelihoods just because you don't agree with something. Even right now if you look at the replies to his most recent tweet there are people saying "an apology isn't good enough". Like... wow... what the hell happened to people to make them so full of hate (oh yeah, a pandemic)

@Scapetti Troy is worth like $6m, his livelihood is fine.

@Richnj so he deserves to be forced into an early retirement? Voice acting is his passion, that IS his life. Life isn't just about money you know

UBI is going forward with NFT even when it will lower game sales.
UBI refuses to backtrack on NFT btw.

I wonder how long it will take for Team 17 to backtrack too.

@Shredderlovespizza I guess you don't use Facebook, Twitter etc. like me for same reasons?

Facebook is the definition of Antisocial.
People stopped being social when Facebook came, and also stopped calling people.
Even SMS almost died out because of FB.

He ended partnership because cancel culture mob went after him? Gamers has nothing to with what he does with his life. What a world.

@ModdedInkling No matter how much you boost a sinking ship, with the crew already drowning, the hull leaking, and the captains drunk in denial while the passengers fight each other, the ship won't stay afloat or magically reach dry land. The profit economy is broken from the start. It's only redeeming quality is the fact that it sinks when it fails, one of the most perfect designs in anything and everything, but not a safety measure of human creation. It's a safety measure of life itself. It dies when it fails to achieve and maintain health and harmony, and so will this human society and its markets and power structures. So leave it if you want to live, drown if you want to hold on, but let it sink because all else is lost effort.
NFT isn't that different from the money we think we know. Only that you can't even argue that NFT have value when you trade it at a loss, after signing away your freedom to obtain it, for what actually was yours by birthright, taken away by the powers that will always propagate they act for some greater good, or for your well being, because you can't even do that with it. And that is the only and very questionable argument you can make for money. If NFT had any value in and of themselves, their creators would keep them for themselves. But as mostly anything in 'life' nowadays (economy), it only has value when someone pays an artificial profit for it (their loss). And you can't predict the market better than the ones manipulating and controlling it. If you could, they'd go against your predictions anyways.

Too little, too late. Maybe if he did his research ahead of time and didn't sign up, he would be still liked. Good luck finding a gig that doesn't have other voice actors give you the stinkeye for burning your career in one go.

@NatiaAdamo people make mistakes. Be more forgiving. Why do you have to be so inherently cruel?

@Shredderlovespizza 'influencers'... how people can proudly wear that label is beyond me. Manipulators selling their souls to the highest bidder, and you can't get rich (from a monetary perspective) doing fair trade (trading equal values, no profit and tax, in other words).

@NatiaAdamo I am sure he’s going to be fine from woke people like you.

@Scapetti Hey, you were the one talking about livelihoods being ruined. Which is objectively not true in this instance.

Don't put words in my mouth.

And look, if voice acting is his life and passion, maybe partnering up with a company that wants to replace him with AIs maybe wasn't the best idea.

No skin off my back either way, but I'd rather hope his "careful consideration" included more personal and significant factors than some fanbrained backlash over the teacup storm of the month.

@Richnj you disagree with me about the livelihood thing. That's all. Plenty of celebrities have been through the **** when they think their career is over. We're all just people. With strong emotions. Celebrities tend to have it worse. It takes a certain kind of person to get to that point. A need and desire to be loved. Not saying you should love people that need that but it's going to hurt more than most when you get thousands of randoms hating on you on twitter. Which would already destroy a "normal" person. As a celebrity you are forced to take it, why? Nobody deserves that level of abuse...

@Scapetti Now you are equating not being interested in someone's artist product and abuse.

Heres the thing. No one was "abusing" Troy until he decided to partner with Voiceversa on an NFT project. No one forced him to do that, and no one forced him to antagonistocally announce it over twitter. He made a business decision that would directly affect his audience, and they rejected it.

Did you put this much effort in to defending GSC Game World when they recieved backlash for the Stalker NFTs?

This is a long watch but an important one around this conversation:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ_xWvX1n9g

It talks in depth about crypto, NFT and Blockchain. It explains how they work as a technology, what that actually means, what they can and can't do, whether those thing can already be done and why if they are not, the real purpose behind them, who they actually benefit (spoiler: the same people benefitting from banks and finance too). Most importantly it covers the psychology of the whole cryto scene, and that's what I found most eye opening.

If you're anto-crypto it may seem like an echo-chamber but it does give good insight into the minds of people and an interesting look at how it all came about. Hopefully helping understand pro-crypto and how to show them what's being done to them.

If you're pro-crypto you're probably not going to like the tone but please stick with it for the well put arguments and examples of why crypto is not what it is promising you it is. You can then either use this to reject crypto or hold those pushing it on you accountable and work on fixing it. Or you can continue to reject it entirely but nobody should be judged for falling for a scam, only for selling one.

Then once you're all done watching this go watch 'On Becoming a God in Central Florida' on Netflix.

@Richnj I'm sorry but how is partnering with a company on an NFT project such a bad thing? And sure, no one forced him to do that. But no one forces him to do anything. What if he randomly decided to sell stuff on Etsy. Would he deserve abuse for that? Is he asking for it? How are you meant to know what can cause you to get abuse on twitter when completely harmless things will make people hate you.

And no, I have no idea what you are talking about or what those companies are...

All this stuff feels like that guy who purchased a picture of an Xbox, when he thought he was getting an Xbox xxx

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ_xWvX1n9g

If anyone has time, this is a great video on the subject of NFTS

@Scapetti OK, you keep conflating criticism with abuse, so much so that I feel you aren't being good faith there. Voicing your concern over a thing that's very concerning is not a problem.

All abuse outside of that is bad, and it's always bad, but that is not connected to why Troy recieved backlash in this matter.

Secondly, NFTs are very divisive right now. Esty is not. If you didn't know that NFTs would get you backlash, then you aren't aware of what's going on. That's a problem on your end for not doing the research on the topic. Especially worrying when you consider Troy was going to go in to business without researching the market first.

And lastly, yes partnering with an NFT project is a bad thing in a lot of people's books. And people are raising the problems with NFTs and again, you not knowing that is your problem for not researching that. And, I have to add, the problems being raised would undermine your assessment that this was a "completely harmless thing".

There's a video linked above. Start there

It's funny how talent does something, then apologizes for dumb or inexcusable behavior and still gets more chances. Troy is an amazing voice actor, but gimme a break. You can't spit on people and say it's raining then expect the same folks to accept your apology.

@Richnj I'm not going to watch some person's two hour opinion. If you want more people to know why NFTs are a bad thing then share the knowledge in a succinct manner. If it is the environment argument then there are blockchain technologies out there like Cardano that make this a non issue. And saying digital items have a worse carbon footprint than physical objects is completely irrational to me. I think people should look into the mass production of plastic physical collectibles and how bad they are, because I guarantee it is FAR worse

I feel bad for the guy. He made it clear that he’s no longer continuing the idea of NFTS yet is still getting hate for it.
And now I’m scared of getting hated for still playing game’s that have their creators supporting NFTS. 😰

@Greatluigi teaching the world that apologies are meaningless. It's great huh?

@Scapetti Well if 2 hours is too long, then I have the 2 second version for you. Its a scam.

@Richnj what makes it a scam?

@Thexare They do exist but mostly not, its mostly ignorance or the dunning-kruger in full swing.

But his reputation will always be tainted sadly.

@Scapetti It's all dependent getting people invested in crypto, a highly speculative market that ultimately requires a bigger sucker than you to see a profit on that investment.

@nhSnork Celebs and entertainment talent can't have it both ways. They can stand by their convictions, but they can't, then, get mad when fans and peers don't want anything to do with them over decisions/actions made.

Ironically, you calling it a "fanbrained backlash over the teacup storm of the month" perfectly encapsulates why we keep seeing harebrained decisions like these from celebs and companies: They take calculated risks based on the potential good will lost Vs. money gained.

Troy wasn't ignorant to the discourse. He, like all the other NFT prospectors, thought he could power though the backlash and still get his way. He bet wrong, but at least he's trying to course correct (even if it might just be to save face).

I honestly applaud him for having the guts to retract his NFT plans. It would be extremely easy to ignore the critics and it wouldn't do him any harm really. Most likely, not even he himself knew what exactly he was signing up for, they just gave him a fat sack of cash as an influencer and he said "why not".

So he backtracks only 2 and a half weeks after? At least he did the right thing.

Well done now lets get rid of email and also go back to horse and cart.

Needs to be more of this. Not everything has to be crypto. Rich people convincing people who aren't rich to part with large sums of money in hopes of being able to turn a profit someday in the future can only ever be viewed as bad.

I feel like I don’t really know enough about NFTs, but I have decided that I want them gone lol

According to a lot of people here you can never change your mind. You should just be good an holier than thou from day one and don’t you dare make a mistake because you can’t change or apologise and make up for your mistakes…

Wow

I thought this was a strange one for Troy. I don’t think it was only “cancel culture” which lead to him changing his mind. Have a listen to the podcast he’s on because his cohost's had a great discussion with him and laid out their concerns on this venture.

@DTFaux fans and the mythical "goodwill capital" among fans are equally trash, which is, again, why I wish Troy reconsidered his involvement with NFTs based on his own factors and weighed arguments. Caving in to so-called "backlash" is never good news in this domain. And there are few things more cynical than fans - parasitic addiction-based mentalities that bring out some of the worst in people - driving their hosts to accuse others of greed or mistreatment.

NFT's are stupid.
Sooner the business world gets this, the better

@nhSnork If Nintendo or Hasbro did something you stood against, and then they doubled down on their business decisions saying, "Whatever. You guys are gonna give us money anyway!" I'm sure you'd question your moral/financial support of them for at least a moment, wouldn't you?

Good will isn't some mythical concept, it's Public Relations 101. If it didn't/shouldn't matter, why would any of these companies put up with social media at all?

There is something to say about social media and how the removal of degrees of separation does create a dubious relationship/connection between people and the companies/talent they like, but again, they can't have it both ways. If Troy wanted to continue on with his business venture, he would've been free to do so, just as everyone else is free not to support it.

@DTFaux the freedom of take-it-or-leave-it is beyond debate here, but feigning morality in the attempt to cheat out of this choice by turning this freedom into a potential lobbyist threat instead is a different story, and an invariably ugly one. Especially, and I've commented on this before, we consumers already keep giving companies money in spite of plentiful other morally questionable factors at play. As for "public relations", their very name suggests being about relations with the public, not with morally bankrupt mindsets and addictions that plague various segments of the related public at a given time. You don't seek the "goodwill" of Hydes just because your audience and market includes Jekylls.