It has not escaped my notice that lately, a few games are coming to the Nintendo Switch that were previously Apple Arcade-only. Now, a fun fact (and also a disclaimer) about me is that I actually worked on an Apple Arcade title — I was the writer for Winding Worlds — but I know nothing about how the contracts work.
Nevertheless, I can speculate. With the addition of games like Grindstone, LEGO Builder's Journey, and Alba: A Wildlife Adventure all within the last few months, I find myself wondering if there's some kind of timed exclusivity deal that's just elapsed. Timed exclusivity is a contentious enough topic on its own, and it's one I'm not about to get into (at least, not in this particular Talking Point), but it raises the question: Could we be seeing a glut of Apple Arcade games on the Switch soon?
The main problem with some, but not all, mobile exclusive games is that they tend to be quite short. After all, mobile gaming is incredibly popular, but people tend to play games on their phone in a very different way to how they play games on a home console. A game that fills a few commutes on mobile might not last more than an afternoon on Switch — which, of course, is not a bad thing by itself, but depends on the price people are willing to pay for a brief experience.
Personally, I'm pretty happy to pay well for indie games. It encourages the craft, and makes it more likely that the studio in question will continue to make games. If I like what they put out, I consider my money as a "more please!" button — though I realise that not everyone has the privilege I do, as a games journalist who gets a lot of game codes as part of my job.
But prices on Switch are almost always steeper than those on PC or mobile, partly because porting costs tens of thousands of dollars, and partly because those studios will have to pay for marketing, dev kits, a published game page on the Switch eShop, amongst many other costs. It's an investment to publish a game on Switch, and the prices reflect that.
Nevertheless, I can see why people would be put off by a game that came out on Apple Arcade two years ago costing fifteen quid on Switch (although the perceived value of indie games is, once again, a topic for another day). Apple Arcade's games are inventive, creative, interesting, and occasionally off-the-wall, because they don't have to be quite as commercially viable — developers were free to experiment a little more, safe in the knowledge that people would subscribe for the service as a whole.
Personally, I'd love to see more Apple Arcade games on Switch. I think the Nintendo Switch works well as a platform that sits in-between the giants like the PlayStation 5, and the more on-the-go nature of mobile. Puzzle-y games like Grindstone and What the Golf? suit the Switch well, and even more story-oriented games like Overland, Sayonara Wild Hearts, and Tangle Tower pleased our picky critics.
But this is a Talking Point, and so my opinion alone won't be enough, so I put it to you, dear readers: Do you want to see more Apple Arcade games on Switch? And what, if any, are your caveats?
Today I learned Apple Arcade is a thing that exists.
If it means that I don't need to buy an iPhone or an iPad for a Rayman game, I'm happy.
SNEAKY SASQUATCH ON SWITCH LETS GOOOOOOO
Yeah, just so I can finally get a Star Trek game on the Switch! (Even if it looks sort of terrible)
Sounds good to me! Really quite liking Apple Arcade actually, World’s End Club is another one that’s on Switch now too. That, Fantasian, What the Golf and Clap Hanz Golf are worth the price of admission alone. With those remasters of old App Store classics being added, it’s totally worth it.
All I want as of right now is that game called Fantasian by the creator(s) of Final Fantasy. It’s made with real-life dioramas for the backgrounds and world and it looks amazing. I won’t play it on a phone or Apple TV because I’m stubborn and want all my games limited to 2-3 systems.
If and when it comes to Switch, I’m buying it day one even though I’m not a fan of cell phone games.
I wish Nintendo would sponsor some developers and do some similar ... even charge $5-$10 more for Nintendo Online and offer games there included with membership or even discounted....
I'm very picky with my games. Like most gamers, my games collection far exceeds the amount of time I have to play them. Despite this I'm very picky with what I am willing to actually pay for.
The simple answer is, if it is a decent game, i would pay for it, whether it's Switch exclusive, a port, remake/master, whatever. I hate Apple as a company and their products but if a game is sorted to Switch that piqued my interest then sure why not.
If a game exists, there are high odds that I want it on Switch - why would Apple Arcade titles be any different? Especially with how many of them appear to belong to action genres and thus ask for buttons rather than touch screens (I know my students' generation can ace friggin' Brawl Stars on the latter, but this dog's too old to be taught these tricks). If someone calls these games "too mobile" for their length and simplicity, PlayStation Minis would like a word with you. As would a big chunk of NDS catalogue that mainstreamed A LOT of what people associate with mobile gaming nowadays.
I couldn't add my vote because there wasn't a "no, because I completely hate/detest/loathe anything Apple" option...
ChuChu Rocket Universe, please.
@ThanosReXXX You know these games aren't actually made BY Apple, right?
Why not? At least Fantasian.
@NintendoLife Where's your review of World's End Club btw?
Mobile game ports?
How about NO.
I'm only saying yes because I really wanna play that new PlatinumGame that came out
Don't forget Oceanhorn 2, such a good game especially if you like classic zelda games
I just really want to play Fantasian, guys.
I wouldn't say No to "The Oregon Trail" on the Switch.
Apple Arcade does have a couple neat games, but it wasn't enough for me to stay subscribed to it. I really enjoyed Card of Darkness and Inmost.
I want winding worlds! X
More Apple shovelware to Switch, sure why not. Give us those sweet Zenonia games that nobody likes.
@KateGray Have you seen a game called Wonderbox: The Adventure Maker? It was released on Apple Arcade in April, from the trailer it is 80% what i'd imagine a Zelda Maker game to be.
Well I own an iPad, which cost me under $400, has a screen about 4x the size of my switch screen, and it came with 3 months of Apple Arcade for free, but where it really shines is a TON of games are in the App Store for FREE that you can find on the switch eShop at outrageous prices. 🤨
As long as said games are good, sure. I dont own and have no real plans to own an Apple device so yeah.
I don't follow what was or wasn't on the apple arcade previously, so that part is irrelevant, but I do want more good games on the Switch, yes.
Apple should just release Apple arcade on Switch. Like they released Apple TV+ on XBOX Series X and PS5.
I don’t care-most is low quality Indy trash or shovelware.
@Noid I was just kidding.
But to be honest, I know nothing of Apple Arcade, because I have no interest in it, so I never bothered to look into it, which obviously means that I also didn't know where the games come from or who they are made by.
Honestly, I am more focused on wanting to see more PS2/GCN era ports.
Dude, I got into a conversation with my wife how good Herdy Gerdy was back in the day. But no way is it, "Buy a PS2 plus game for 300 bucks," good to show it off.
I haven't had any experience with Apple Arcade (erm, sorry Kate.) but what's coming to Switch definately looks interesting. I mean, who says no to more games for their system? If they are any good, then I'll pick them up. If they are nothing more than to pass the time, then maybe not so much. Will take each game on it's own merit regardless of where they come from. But I do find tapping glass unengaging.
I don't own an ipad anymore so yeah, why not?
Grindstone, What the Golf and Sayonara are good.
The LEGO game & World End Club are on my wishlist.
Just the pricing and QA worry me.
I am generally opposed to dumping mobile phone ports on the Switch, it's made the eshop a sea of shovelware.
Didn't know Apple Arcade existed, but we should get rid of most of the mobile games on the eshop.
If the game is good and isn't filled to the brim with MTX, then I'm interested.
I'm rather surprised the Switch has never gotten Crossy Road.
It already has the best game available (Grindstone). Not sure I need more
My answer isn't here. What exactly is an apple arcade game? Glorified mobile games? I don't want them in that case. What is one apple arcade only game that most people have heard of? And I'm not talking timed exclusive games like Shantae Seven Sirens was.
If it is a good game….sure why not.
I certainly don’t mind if game publishers want to branch out to other systems with games made for Apple Arcade, but good luck to them trying to do so. I’d have to guess plenty of them are tied to exclusive deals to help drive Apple Arcade subscriptions.
What I DO mind is that the Apple service killed games I already had just to steer me into signing up. The 2 Rayman runner games I had no longer work, and have disappeared entirely so that “Rayman Mini” doesn’t have the competition from them. “Mini” might be fun as well, but it’s just not worth a monthly fee to me. I liked having Jungle Run and Fiesta Run at the ready but they’ve been disabled now that they’ve set up a way to charge for “free to play” mobile games.
So, sure. If anyone can strike a deal to have a game of theirs that Apple is using to drive subscriptions also on Switch, I hope they can. At least the eShop doesn’t charge a membership fee. Yet...
The more the merrier.
To anyone complaining about most mobile games being shovelware, you can just use a site like DekuDeals and sort by popularity or filter by min metacrictic. There are good mobile games, and there would still be LOTS of shovelware even if Nintendo were to forbid all mobile ports.
I'd rather not, particularly since they're usually overpriced when releasing on Switch. An iPhone and Switch aren't very different in terms of power, so I don't feel a cost of double or triple is worthy of ported mobile games.
I dont see games being ported from PC or other consoles to Switch getting that price hike.
@Ocaz they're just games made for the apple arcade service. Many of them are original traditional and/or mobile style games, some others are versions of mobile games with all the pay to win elements and advertising removed. There's a little bit of everything in terms of game genres.
Timed exclusives count too, since most good games on the service will probably end up being that.
Thanks to the Switch, I now know how much money my Apple Arcade subscription is saving me. Also, I can tell you that most of the Apple Arcade games, I play them with my Apple TV with a PS4 controller.
By the way, Fantasian is a Blast.
I'm still annoyed Spidersaurs, a spiritual successor to Contra 4 from the same development team, is exclusive to that service.
A good game is a good game - it doesn’t matter what the original platform was. Whether it’s an Atari 2600 or a PS5, there’s no reason to be snobby about where it came from. I’d really like to give Fantasian a go - I just don’t want to give myself another subscription service to manage. But I have played plenty of great games on mobile, and would happily pick up a good game on Switch if that’s where I’d rather play it.
@Kang81 I agree that the prices are a bit inflated on Switch and on that aspect I also would rather not play games on Switch when I can play them elsewhere for cheaper (and normally with added features like a trophy system).
However, some of these games are not 'Apple Arcade' games. They just exist on the Apple Arcade service (just like games on Xbox Game Pass or PS+). Therefore you are seeing the price hike on games being ported from PC. An example is the 'Alba' game mentioned in the article. It is £13.49 on Steam but £16.74 on Switch. It's obviously 'free' as part of the subscription on Apple Arcade.
So, it's not really that I don't want them to be available on the eShop and it's more a case of why would someone who has access to other platforms (in this specific case, either a PC or an iPhone/iPad/Apple TV) choose to purchase them on Switch for more money and less features.
Where is the option "i don't have apple products so i don't know what is apple arcade"? I imagine that are games tied to the apple branding, but i don't even know what games are.
Yo, Grindstone was one of the best games released on Switch in 2020. I happily paid whatever Capybara asked for it.
Everyone should understand these aren’t just mobile games, a lot of them are designed for desktop/laptop or appletv+controller and are not suited for mobile at all… I used to play shantae and the seven deadly sirens with my switch pro controller through my mac… ended up buying it on switch as well because it’s great!
Also games like mini motorways are amazing and I can’t wait for it to release on switch… I just don’t want to pay over 10-15€ for it
Apple Arcade? Would rather have more Sega Arcade
I have an Apple Arcade subscription and use it regularly (Just beat Card of Darkness and World’s End Club on the service in the past week). For the most part, I don’t care where these games go once they’re on Apple Arcade, as far as my own purchasing decisions go. But, Apple Arcade isn’t too popular of a service as of right now, so I’d love to see some of those games get a larger discussion, for the developers’ sake.
Although I did end up buying Sayonara Wild Hearts on PS4 after loving it on Apple Arcade. Mostly because I liked it enough to ensure I have a version I can keep. But another reason is that Apple TV isn’t a great substitute for home console gaming. Even the new Apple TV 4K is still not powerful enough to replace last gen’s home consoles and in a general sense, the TVOS version of these games aren’t a big priority to the developers.
I will absolutely throw $60 at a complete version of Fantasian, the not-Final-Fantasy made by the ex-Final-Fantasy people at Mistwalker. It looks so absolutely my jam!... and I have literally no way to play it. Not throwing hundreds at some Apple device exclusively to play this game. But I'd happily give them more money myself!
All I heard up to release was "awesome, shame I can't play it, please let it get a port" and I've heard nothing since. Feel like it needs to get ported to literally anything else (Switch seems like a great fit though!) for it to have any impact, any discussion at all. And if it fades into obscurity because no one could play it, and Mistwalker goes out with a whimper, that'd be terrible. It sounds like it deserves better, but it absolutely needs a port to get it.
I actually try to reduce games now that I said goodbye to Xbox Gamepass, because there are way too many game and the Nintendo Eshop is not better. Seriously, how many games are too many?!
All I want on Switch is Wonderbox. Much like said above, it’s essentially Zelda Maker, featuring a tile based world that’s easy to modify into a dungeon, cave, castle, village, etc. It also has a bunch of items like classic Zelda, a hookshot, tornado rod, bombs, glider, bow, along with more to come in future updates. I have been remaking the first dungeon from Zelda 1 in it, and it’s a very powerful tool.
If the game is good, why not bring it over to the Switch?
Fantasian and that Platinum game for sure, and whatever other gems are stuck on that service - get em over here!
@nessisonett Agreed, Clap Hanz Golf is excellent. It plays even better with a Backbone controller. As do most Apple Arcade games, to be fair. I highly recommend anyone picking one up. My iPhone 12 (Pro Max) in the Backbone feels way better in the hands than even the Switch. That’s feels better, I’m not saying it is better! 😉
@Krull Thank you! At least some people here are mature and sensible. I really don’t understand all these people suggesting everything on mobile is nothing but pure trash. In fact, there are some truly outstanding games on mobile. Just like any other platform. You’re absolutely right, these people are snobs and missing out on fantastic experiences just to spite their own faces. I really can’t stand that kind of attitude.
Is Raiden Legacy an Apple Arcade game?
im sure there are gems that would play better on an actual console, but i sure wouldnt know about apples arcade library lol
Apple Arcade is, and I do not say this lightly, an even better deal than Gamepass. £5 gets you some cracking titles with Clap Hanz Golf being worth the price of entry alone.
There are some narrow minded gamers that do not like the idea of using touchscreen controls and whilst they do not work for every game, those designed for the platform play like a dream.
These days I tend to play almost exclusively on my iphone and probably would if Fortnite was on it.
There’s already so much shovel wear on the eshop that I never bother browsing for games anyone. I’ll go there if I know a specific game is available, but never for browsing, it’s too much of a pain in the ass to bother with.
Apple Arcade just means for shovel wear. No thanks.
If Nintendo doesn’t give us folders soon I’m going to sell my Switch, that’s how I’m annoyed I am by.
I like Apple Arcade. Some great games
Personally I won’t mind if Apple iOS games can be playable on Switch. In addition with possible speculation of Xbox and Nintendo, would be interesting if games can run natively on the Switch also.
Hey look i'm up for good games so.
i voted "no phone games in general", but i didnt know world end's club and fantasian were on that apple thing. So, i dont know, I dont really want phone games, but those two are the exception.
Uhm. No. Not even a little.
@nessisonett Yes!! I want Clap Hanz Golf please!! Even with Mario Golf coming out so soon, Clap Hanz Golf at the end of the year or the beginning of 2022 would be great as well.
I'd definitely buy Fantasian if it came to Switch or anything else.
Hell no!! I want AAA games in my Switch. If I wanted crappy mobile phones I would put them on my iPhone
More game choices are always good, but I have little interest as I have an Apple One subscription and already have access to them. I just wish they would implement Switch Pro controller support on the Apple TV.
@ChromaticDracula I second that
Put Sp!ng on Switch and I’ll be happy.
I just want FANTASIAN and FANTASY LIFE 2, please.
yes, NIGHTMARE FARM please!
I will pay for good games. Pump out good games, I will pay.
Apple Arcade was such a stretch for them to begin with that I’d hate to have games locked onto that platform. I’m into Apple’s products I just don’t think they should put a focus on gaming like that.
@Grahamthecracker idk, I think it’s part of building their brand and differentiating themselves from other hardware..... for just $5 a month, it’s worth it.
@Casco I think they have done a good job with it. Not all the games are great by any stretch, but there is definitely quality.
They would be stand alone games on the eShop and that's fine.
Apple's arcade sub service will not be allowed on any Nintendo platform.
To have Apple's better games, without having to buy Apple hardware, sounds good to me.
Most of you aren't even aware that Apple is making a portable console. It has the same form factor as the Switch and will be competing with Nintendo directly.
Right now only major 3rd party gaming companies knew about it's existence, as they are making games for it secretly. Apple plans to ramp up their Arcade with AAA games and launch their console with it. It's going to be the first subscription based console.
With their M2 chip in the console, the graphics performance is between PS4 Pro and PS5, and CPU speed faster than any home consoles today - all in a portable running on battery. Nintendo should be very afraid, as indies WILL jumped to Apple's platform, but competition is good for all of us. Also, Nintendo makes better games when they are losing money, so it's all for the best.
I'd take a cod mobile switch version apart from that though don't really want any mobile games for the switch
@Quarth It's coming. Mitch is handling it.
Yes, of course. 😀
Just like Oceanhorn 1 & 2 got physical release on PS4, PS5 and Switch.
More physical release = better experience.
The exclusion of Shinsekai here hurts, Kate.
Such a fantastic, beautiful game, and I'm just so glad it found a home on Switch after initially releasing as an Apple Arcade exclusive
@Liam_Doolan Cool! I know most critics found it lacking in some departments, but I've purchased it anyway, as I love Danganronpa and Zero Escape + that the physical release's cover art looks is very charming.
@NoTinderLife that’s a rumor that’s been going for ages….Apple hasn’t really been able to crack gaming or attract any of the AAA developers for the platform.
And doubt it’s a dedicated gaming device. They already have iPhones. This is just speculation. And even if Apple released it, they’re lacking any first party games. Or third party support (PS, Xbox and PC share similar architecture). They’d only have Indies - oh they already do!
@Tailesque Yes, Shinsekai was quite good. It's the first game I thought of when seeing the title of this article.
No thanks. Im good.
After Game Builder Garage comes out on the 11th, I'm not going to need to buy any more video games but still I think the more games on the eshop the better.
I voted “I don't want ports of mobile games in general” solely based on the quality of the games. If they can match up to “proper” console games then I have no issues with ‘em.
But please, DON’T give me a massive letdown like Steven Universe: Unleash the Light again.
@ThanosReXXX Can’t appreciate something good because it’s made by ‘Apple’ ? seems a little strange, but hey, that’s just me.
For me.. if it’s good it’s good. Bad is bad.
No. The Switch eShop is already glutted to overflowing with mobile-quality (and even worse) garbage.
No - enough rubbish to sift through at present
The most obvious yes ever.
Would you like more games, some of which are good? Yes. Of course.
If there are other games as good as Oceanhorn 2, then yes.
As long as they are good games, they are welcome.
I had to pay 60€ for a physical World's End Club in Europe. That was its regular asking price. For a game that was mostly available in the Apple Arcade previously.
I don't mind the low budget feel, because I was massively intrigued by the character designs, setting and the creative minds behind it, but had it been only a little bit less interesting for me, I would have never paid that much for a game of that nature.
You want Fantasian for sure. One of the better JRPGs in years.
It stays fairly safe, doesn’t do anything super wild with the traditional turned based combat, but the small things it does are brilliant.
I'm definitely in 'The more the merrier' camp. Apple Arcade exclusives all appear to be timed, so anything good should make its way on to the Switch eventually. I'm not snobbish about mobile to console ports either, a few are quite good.
@NoTinderLife That rumour's quite sketchy. It seems more like like attention seeking click bait in the run up to WWDC next week (Apples big developer conference). It probably got picked because of the comparison to the Switch, as well as referring to Apples new CPU for high end Macs. Apple already have a hybrid solution - their Arcade service runs on everything from iPhones, AppleTVs to desktop Macs. They don't need a hybrid device like the Switch,
The switch has enough rubbish on it at current, we don’t need more!
Apple Arcade has some nice games, some quite mobile orientated which work better on the ipad/iphone (like mini metro, even though it works nicely on the switch), and some quite big adventures, which are ideal switch indie games... It seems that after a year apple arcade exclusivity runs out, so ofocurse they'll port to the switch, especially if made in unity...
So that means is apple arcade a flop? Google does something simular with google play pass whose the games are already played by lot of people, some generic games like solitaire and mediocre apps. Considering the flop of Stadia, it will not end up well.
I don't know how many times I have played through Sayonara Wild Hearts on Switch, such an awesome game. And the fact that you can finish it in a bit over an hour is actually a plus for me. And if you want to 100% it you can play it A LOT longer
If we get more games like that and for a reasonable price I'm all for it.
@elias84631 I don't think you can read into Apple Arcade's success from this. It just looks like most Apple Arcade exclusives are actually just timed exclusives and that time is now running out of a lot of games.
Apple arcade is really good. It has a bright future to it.
No problem with this at all, the more access to games on different platforms is great for both players and devs. Just please for the love of God make search and filtering options more robust on the eshop 😩
Apple Arcade has some truly brilliant titles, that often don't outstay their welcome, a flaw with many AAA and console games trying to justify their 'value'. They also are complete and don't have DLC, MTX or other monetisation. Console dev's could learn a lesson or two
More the merrier
@countzero I like how Apple added creative and experimental games to their arcade catalogue.
@FTL Yep, that's just me. I don't like Apple, I have ZERO interest in any of their products or services and as such, I also don't want to support them or any of their initiatives.
No I don't want anything from Apple anywhere.
@Tailesque I hadn't even heard of Shinsekai! But Capcom + underwater? I'm SOLD. You've just influenced me to buy a game. You're an influencer now.
@MarioBrickLayer I hadn't heard of it, but that's a BEAUTIFUL game. I hope all the people here who are assuming that all mobile games are bad take a look at the actual quality of games on Apple Arcade!
@KateGray I wonder if Nintendo would consider giving the developer a shot at creating a Zelda Maker game? They must have learned loads from going through the process of developing this game. Or do you think that is the type of title Nintendo would want to do inhouse?
@MarioBrickLayer I think Grezzo would do a great job, since they've been trusted with Nintendo first-party stuff before. I just wonder what style they'd go for with a Zelda Maker! I'd be a bit bored if it were Zelda 1 stuff, but a dungeon maker using ALTTP or ALBW assets??? That would be amazing!
@KateGray That's an interesting question! I'd love to see those assets plus Switch Links Awakening assets. I think they should give you the choice to build a dungeon or over world level. Do they copy Mario Maker 2 and allow you to create a world with multiple dungeons?
Oh jeez over 121 comments possibly mixed with replies but like um...instead of making mobile games just gosh dang make actual console games, these companies can do this since they are stacked loaded with cash from the bursting microtransaction scummy move they do for obvious greed intentions.
Anyway some of the mobile games I would have loved to see its own official real game switch release, it's mostly the fashion to cooking games, I am a sucker for those two genera since nintendo stopped making any effort at all only using the switch as a trash port bag at this point, but um part of me wants it to be ported because no microtransaction that's cool and all, fully support that move 100% buuuut at the same time...
I already stated it; make a gosh dang original switch game if you want to appeal to us actual gamers, not the clout chasing zombies that throw money at anything bad. Sigh..but that will never happen....unfortunately. Anyway I still would love to see fashion games on my switch though my inner girly ness needs to be filled.
More but in the sense of not being scrapped by apple over charging to get those games. If they do that drop them like a rock.
Problem is, most of these games are really short and come in at $15-20 bucks a piece.
Bring the Castlevania Grimorie of Souls mobile game to Switch please!!!
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