A new report from the Japanese publication Nikkei suggests Nintendo will ramp up the production of the Switch to 30 million units this fiscal year (ending 31st March 2022), in an attempt to capitalise on the "stay-at-home demand" for the hybrid system.
According to people "with direct knowledge of the matter", Nintendo has reached out to multiple parts suppliers about accelerating production and expanding output.
Nikkei further states how Nintendo is expected to release a "follow-up Switch model" which is capable of running better graphics and would be the first new offering since the release of the Switch Lite:
“Several officials admitted to us that they are considering expanding production. The company is also expected to add a higher-end model with higher image quality, and this will be the first additional model of the Switch since the Nintendo Switch Lite, which was released in September 2019 and made it more portable.”
It's not the first time we've heard about a rumoured enhanced model. In March, a report from Bloomberg suggested Nintendo would release a new system with a Samsung OLED display and 4K capabilities.
A Nintendo spokesperson has responded to Nikkei's latest report about increased hardware production and a new model Switch with the following comment:
“There is nothing we can tell you about production numbers and higher-end models.”
[source nikkei.com, via asia.nikkei.com, videogameschronicle.com]
"Nikkei is expecting a "higher-end" Switch model as well"
When aren't they?
I'm super excited for a Switch Pro. Sorry to all who still regard it BS, i believe in it. I would have also gotten a Switch Lite long ago, if it wasn't for the added complications of replacing the joysticks for when they eventually start to drift :/. I just love the look of the pink Lite so much 😕.
Anyway, more on topic, glad to hear that the Switch seems to be doing so well!
Nintendo want to sell a total of 30 milion Switch until march 31th 2022? that DS like level sales, what they could be planenning to archive this?they must have severals high profile softwares to archive this.
Shaping up to be the most sold console ever. Even with new gen, people just don't give up on that thing.
@StefanN we saner ones don't consider "Switch Pro" to be BS, just annual tabloid prophecies of it. Few would argue the tangible odds of a more powerful successor machine arriving eventually - even in a mere couple years, potentially. It's relentlessly "predicting" a more expensive same-old with token resolution boots and/or quasimythical "exclusives" every year since the launch of the still highly demanded base model that got very old very quickly. Sooner or later, we'll all be playing that "pro" (or "U"?😜) anyway.
I still hope the Switch Pro is real so that I don't have to play Pokemon Legends Arceus in 15fps
Well that’s over 9000.
@mariomaster96 As much as I dislike the mid-gen upgrade mentality, I definitely would like to play that game without the draw distance being like Superman 64 and at a reasonable frame rate.
Wow 30 million units, some amazing software must be on the cards....... something with MS maybe??
N64 and GameCube titles on it too, who knows.
Eh, we'll see. Nintendo is quite talented at playing coy lol. I'm sure we'll see a new model eventually, but it does get old when some sources out there keep banging on about it sometimes.
If only Nintendo ramped up production on games. I will never understand how a console with nothing to play has become so popular.
I was skeptical that the Switch was going to be a success when Nintendo announced it after the failure that was the Wii U. Then when it started out hot, I thought to myself "ok, it's hot now, let's see if it has a drop off like the Wii did". Now it's on track to surpass the Wii as the most successful home console ever by Nintendo. With the Switch Pro on the horizon (it's coming, I get it people hate all the rumors and coyness, but it's coming), I truly think there's a chance the Switch overtakes the PS2 as the most successful console of all time. Blows my mind.
@Ambassador_Kong Speak for yourself, I've got too much to play that I likely will never have time for lol.
They better have something big later on through March 31st, if they want to sell 30 million models. If botw2 happens I don’t see tha selling 30 million models, who knows at this point heck, next year there’s splatoon 3, maybe that comes out before March 31st, but like before, that wouldn’t be big enough to sell 30 million consoles.
That would take them 110m units pretty impressive and if a pro does arrive and >10% double dip that could be amazing numbers!
If it’s thirty million.. damn that’s confident. What...are..they...planning?!
Two words: Wii Sports
@kingbk @nhSnork What people hate about the Switch Pro rumours is that they are written like Santa's wishlists. Any Switch Pro should it exists will be as good as the New 3DS
"the Nintendo Switch Lite, which was released in September 2019 and made it more portable.”"
I don't think the Switch Lite made the Switch more portable, it was already portable, and 2 player w/ the 2 Joycon, and a built in kick-stand for table top mode. No, what the Lite did was actually make the Lite less home friendly. Hence the $100 less price. But it didn't make it "more" anything", except affordable. 🤷♂️
I think a New Switch is coming - not a more expensive Pro, same $300 price, a replacement, not an additional model, it will technically be a Switch 2 but Nintendo won't call it that - but even I'm sick and tired of these articles talking about it for what, 2 years now?😝
@TheJGG Scalpers probably.
@rjejr As an owner of both the Lite and Phat models, I'm going to disagree. The reductions in size and weight, and the fact that the Lite is one integrated device instead of being modular like its big brother, makes it far more convenient to transport from place to place, whether it be around the home or out in the world.
@nessisonett This is GF we're talking about. The hardware isn't the issue. They could develop games on PS5 and they'd still look dated and feel clunky.
This is especially the case considering the short development cycles the mainline games seem to go through.
@nhSnork Yep. If you predict something like this long enough, it'll eventually happen, but that doesn't legitimize the years of BS "leaks," IMO.
Is it? I have no issue playing with the Lite at home! 😝
Who know what is to come. But could be really cool time for Switch owners.
Nintendo better have other big games not named Pokemon that can move hardware, Pokemon isn't shipping 30 million Switch by itself
"in an attempt to capitalise on the "stay-at-home demand" for the hybrid system" Funny that sells more because everyone stays home, as it is a portable as well...
Nvidia isn't even making the base switch's chip anymore so nintendo has no choice but to make an upgraded one. Im pretty sure most of those units are of the switch pro.
@kingbk i doubt that. The PS2 sold 155M. It would take a loooong time for the switch to hit that. A long time
@TheJGG switch pro
@Ambassador_Kong I mean... the system has the second largest library of games on a single system ever, only after the PS2 (which it will likely surpass this year). Sure there's shovelware (there's shovelware on every system ever made), but it's got 4x the library of the Wii U, or even ~800 more games than the PS4 does.
And even personally speaking, my Switch collection is my largest game collection on all systems I've ever played. I'm not sure where the 'it has no games' comes from really unless you refuse to play anything that's not Nintendo developed...
All the switch pro talk is going to ruin it, Bc if it doesn't meet what the leaks and junk said, people are going to get angry about something they were never promised. But that's just my opinion, and I don't mean to much of what I say here or really think it will happen (Not true).
@Kamalen that, too.
@Slowdive we don't have counterarguments, only counterQUESTIONS that the "believers" and their sasquatch "insiders" wilfully ignore. If the "believable information" is based entirely on assumptions that sound hard to believe off the bat in and of themselves, then someone has a rather specific definition of "believable" here.
But yes, there's also conscious bias. Imageboard leaks, anonymous "trusted sources" and other crap like that don't warrant attention even if they claim that water is wet. Spend 15+ years on the Internet, and you may develop a bias, too - unless you're into yellow press in general. There is more than enough information in the modern world to try and process without chasing wild geese. This is one big counterargument which should be enough by itself - "if you have trustworthy information, you can fully credit its sources". I repeat, if a hypothetical "source" is worried about career repercussions yet still willing to take the risks for presumably nothing but the agitation of random nerd crowds online, this source can shove it - and so can anyone trying to spin a sensation out of their input.
Mario Kart 9 is coming out in October? Man, I can't wait! /s
@Ralizah True. Game Freak really don’t seem to understand the transition to 3D, never mind HD.
What? Another Switch Pro/2 rumor?! Never saw that coming!
@Ambassador_Kong "Nothing to play" seriously? The Switch has a ton of games on it from nearly every genre in existence. If you feel it has "nothing to play" then maybe the problem isn't the Switch or its software. Not every title is going to be a triple-A effort, but that doesn't mean there's "nothing to play." IDK, maybe you're just not really into video games. 🤷♂
I expect a Switch Beamer. Perfect whenever you want to play your game on a large white wall, or on a cloud. It will release with a Batman HD collection.
@Ambassador_Kong lol. Are you monkeying around? 😏
"It's not the first time we've heard about a rumoured enhanced model."
Whatttt!!!? An enhanced Switch? Crazy idea, are you sure you've heard about this before? Seems pretty out there to me...
@Debo626 my Switch library has all the odds of flowing over 700 items next week. I have a half mind to start suing all these "nothing to play" claims for all this damage done to my sides. What, my experience doesn't equal someone else's? Exactly - and that works both ways.
@Friendly ah, so I'm not the only one who ever fantasized about the next gen being a Switch-like hybrid but with projection functionality on top. "Now even the tabletop mode can be your TV mode at times!" Granted, I'm gleefully illiterate on whether that is technologically and/or financially feasible, but hey, many folks spent long daydreams playing Cyberpunk 2077 on their new Switch models due back in 2019.
@nessisonett I thought X & Y was a very good first step in that direction, but, like Sega with 3D Sonic, they've struggled to find their footing since, and are ruining mainline with subscriptions and outside apps needed to access the full multiplayer suite.
Waiting for Switch mini/lite-er. I’m talking Vita proportions and weight, the perfect sized handheld
@Ralizah Pokemon Y was the game that ended my love of the franchise. I was a huge fan and it really underwhelmed. I haven’t really enjoyed a main series Pokemon game since that one. I thought it might have been a nostalgia thing but I’ve played the older ones again and they still hold up a lot better. I can’t really think of any other series where I’ve been put off so hard by one entry.
@nhSnork you sure aren’t!
Switch Pro better come with optical Joysticks, is all I gotta say...
@nessisonett Feel the exact same way. Just like @Ralizah said, switching to 3D killed Gamefreak's development. Only now will they hopefully be more willing to seek help from the likes of Monolithsoft (hoping against hope). Who knows, maybe even Legends Arceus is already receiving extra development from an outsider.
@link3710 I agree 100%
I have over 82 Games for my Nintendo Switch already! I play it more than I ever did with any other consoles/handhelds in the past! It’s Incredible! Definitely My Favorite of All time!
-PS2 used DVD PLAYER.
-It's super effective.
-Switch used RAMP UP.
I still remember back in September 2008 when Nikkei reported that Nintendo would announce an upgraded Nintendo DS model with better WiFi capabilities and a built-in camera.
Just 4 days after that report was released, Nintendo announced the DSi, an upgraded Nintendo DS model with better WiFi capabilities and a built-in camera.
If there is any company with a proven track record of being in the know with regards to Nintendo, it's Nikkei.
If the Switch ships anywhere near 30 million units in FY2022, then Switch hardware sales will be at 113-115 million units by March 2022.
@Ralizah @Scrubicius Well since you guys both own 1 I'll have to stand corrected. I still think it's not very often you are going to lower the price of an item by 33% and have "more" of anything but since I don't own 1 it's just a thought and you guys have the reality. And 2 to 1. 😁
30 million OG models? Or combined with the new hardware? The original Switch hasn't even had a price cut yet, it's so popular. Hmm, so much to ponder what they will do. Buying in such bulk could indicate a price drop this holiday? They could intoduce the new Switch version for the same price as the original (it's such a sweet spot). And since Pokemon is fine on a hybrid, they could just stop Lite production lol. (Maybe)
Whenever there is some news discussing how well Nintendo is or will do financially, there will always be some salty contrarian that spouts out the classic "bUt It hAZ no gAmeZ" line.
It's almost expected at this point.
@rjejr well if someone used the switch as mobile devices “only” which many do I would suggest getting the lite. But me personally still rather play on the big screen.
Which I am still not fan of mobile phone games. ☺️
"There is nothing we can tell you..." That just says it all🤣
Higher end model has been rumored weekly since the Switch launch. And UNTIL I see a confirmation from Nintendo it's just not true.
I don't see a "higer end"-model coming this year because of:
a. The pandemic.
b. Semiconductor shortages.
c. The way the Switch is easily outselling the PS5, PS4, XBOX Series X|S and XBOX ONE right now.
As soon as the shortages go away and the sales of PS5s and XBOX Series consoles ramp up, I think Nintendo will release an improved Switch. I don't see this happening before at least Q3 2022.
Also releasing a higher end Switch right now would ONLY hurt Switch sales since there won't be enough stock available, and once the higher end model is released nobody will buy an "old" Switch.
If they are looking for new incremental sales then they pretty much have that covered, there are more than enough first party titles already released to tempt them.
And assuming a revision at some point this year Nintendo could easily hit 30 million.
Switch Pro confirmed?
@Ambassador_Kong I’ve owned a Switch for 3 years, I think it’s been over a year that I’ve last bought something.
But.. doomed n‘ stuff.. !
How high are official predictions? 30 Million sounds like at lest 1/3 more?
@WaluigiNumberOne 10 years of support doesn't mean that the successor will be 10 years after the Switch. I think a Switch sucessor will be released in 2023. With Breath of the Wild 2 being released on both the successor and Switch as a launch title.
@NGNYS Switch will have 120/135 milions consoles sold at the end of it lifecycle, it nearly impossible for Switch to surpass DS/PS2 like level sales, Nintendo would need to suport Switch for 9/10 years for Switch to surpass DS/PS2, Switch is already in the half of it lifecycle, only lasting 2 years for it sucessor to release.
@johnvboy Nintendo releasing Legend of Zelda Breath of the Wild 2, Bayonetta 3, the rumored 2D Metroid game that continues the Metroid Fusion history, the remake of Pokémon Diamond e Pearl and Nintendo EPD tokyo new game to make Switch reach 30 milions consoles sold?
Surely this confirms PIKMIN 4 is happening!! Don’t question it. It is real.
On a serious note, surely this confirms WAVERACE 4 is happening!!
"Higher end" is a stopgap between releases. Get back to me when it's a true successor. But for newbies, heck, yeah! Grab the Super Switch
@Digimon24 there was a lone rumour about Nvidia ceasing Tegra X1 production at the end of this year, but I’ve not seen anything else. Where’d you see that they’ve already stopped?
What I get from this is, for Nintendo to sell those many switches they must be confident on their software line up Wich is a good thing (switch pro or not)
That’s probably the sum total of people worldwide that doesn’t have one by now lol 😝
@GrailUK My first thought was possible price cuts as well, but my second thought is that Nintendo may need to place big orders just to guarantee supplies in the current climate of component shortages
If Nintendo really is ramping up to 30 million units this year, I suspect that about 60-70% of it would be the newer model to avoid market saturation with the old unit. It would make sense because we're at the halfway point in the console's lifecycle to be prepping to upgrade at this point while traction is strong. Though it could backfire like the Wii U did... Hope they learned from that.
They're ramping up switch output, does it mean there's no switch pro?
The best part of this nonsense was the one last year that said Nintendo was preparing a onslaught of games to launch with it and these sites parroted it with nothing critical added, with Switch selling the way it is it would be in their best interest to keep releasing games as often as they can but it’s been clear they’ve been struggling at this after 2018 and have now way ran out of major Wii U games to port, a 4K Switch isn’t gonna fix this, all their devs working on a single platform was supposed to fix this but we haven’t seen that fully bear out yet.
I guess FY2021 is the year the Switch oversells the PS4. If they release a souped up model, it'll oversell the PS2 and DS in less than 2 years.
@TSR3 That is a very astute point mate I did consider that, but Nintendo tend to be alarmingly resourceful with this sort of thing, so I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt. Afterall, what they are making is pretty distinct from pretty much everything else isn't it? Dunno, but certainly a possibility.
At this point the console has so much momentum they could release very little this year and still sell 30 million, we keep looking at this from the existing Switch owners point of view, when in reality there are still many potential Switch owners that will see a cool console with a load of already released games.
@rjejr Well, it objectively loses out on features, which is why the price was dropped.
The change in size difference isn't dramatic, but, combined with the more consolidated feel of the device, it's enough that the Lite feels almost more like a Vita successor to me. There are games I'll prefer to play on one or the other, since it FEELS like a handheld, which I can't really say about the bigger one.
We need a new system/upgrade. One without drift issues would be nice. I recently fixed 4 pair with that issue. I’d rather not go through that again...
I'm half hoping Nintendo will forgo a Switch Pro just to spite the people who want to claim that their three years late prediction was totally right. 😂 The other half of me just wants to buy a Switch Pro. 😬
Any takers on betting the new BOTW2 is a hybrid game. Where it performs great on current model but looks better on Pro (if you can find one)? We've all seen this movie before and know how it ends.
@StefanN so do you think the Switch pro will play the current switch library or require it's own special games. If it weren't backward compatible it would be the dumbest thing they could do.
@beazlen1 hope so.
@Wilforce don't need a pro. Keep foo g what their doing byhut show us some triple A titles to keep the fire burning.
Stop riding the success of 2017-2019 and give us games
im totally expecting an announcement for a switch pro this june, i understand the doubt of it happening since "leakers" have been claiming it would happen for years with nothing happening, this year however we've gotten datamines for a new model, samsung saying they their displays are being added to future gaming consoles which(they left unamed), nvidia stopping production of the current chip in the switch models
also in the past nintendo would say "we have no new models planned this year" last year but this year "there is nothing we can tell you" seems very tongue and cheek
I think Nintendo has developed a pretty bad habit of intentionally stretching their hardware to the limits to the point where people will keep asking for more powerful hardware. Once we get to that next level, Nintendo will just repeat the cycle, whether it's a full generation or even mid generation.
That suggests they have some very big hitters due in the next 12 months.
I know the Switch gets a lot of momentum from the strength and depth of its existing library-games like Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Zelda are still selling well and enticing new Switch owners. Mario 3D World/MH Rise/Pokemon Snap will be big drivers of sales for a few months, and the ‘Pro’ will be popular. But I’m not sure those are enough for 30 million. So either Nintendo is overestimating demand or they’ve got a couple of very big games due.
@Socar dude trust me 😂
@Digimon24 So you want people to trust you that Nvidia would risk losing their partnership with Nintendo by simply ending the chipset production for the base Switch which Nintendo is increasing production?
@Socar its a damn joke. Lighten up cupcake and go to bed
So the Switch is hoping to sell more consoles this year, then the entire Wii U's lifetime sales with nearly identical software (MK8, Smash, Mario, etc). Oh and the Switch is the first console since the N64 to not have a Call of Duty game. Might suggest CoD isn't such a big deal anymore.
Useful Nintendo quote I’m glad you included it 🤣
The Switch has sold more hardware every year than the Wii U has sold in its entire lifetime.
In 2020, Switch sold 2× more than the Wii U sold in its entire lifetime, and it seems like Nintendo intends to repeat that in 2021.
One more word: Nintendogs
@Joe-b Yeah it'll absolutely be backwards compatible. I wouldn't even call it "backwards compatible" since it'll really be the same system just with a few better specs.
@kingbk I'm awarding you 5 brownie points for a level of self-awareness that is rarely seen in internet comments. I also agree, I have a massive backlog!
@Joe-b it’s confirmed
@Fandabidozi I'd be so stoked about a new Nintendogs! Would love to relive the times my classmates mate fun of me for playing a "stupid baby game" 😄
30 million probably includes the pro
The Switch is sellings very well but 30million? Switch Pro will probably be 2022 in March or even in Q4 IMO. The current model is selling well in current figures.
@TSR3 NVidia have stopped producing the X1. But even Nintendo have already replaced that with the X1+ because of the backdoor on the first chip. (Would make sense NVidia stop making that one lol.)
Dang. I can only afford 25 million more Switches for my house at most.
"With direct knowledge on the matter" blah blah blah...
@GrailUK my bad, I did mean the X1+. I'm really interested in the fate of the Lite, as I may get one in the future (I already have the OG, and I don't need the Switch Plus as I don't have a 4K TV).
@TSR3 My gut tells me it was a safety net for the Pokemon Company. A billion dollar company built on handheld gaming had to be nervous by practically being steered to home console (and I'm sure that reads more nefarious than intended lol). I dunno. I'm sure it will stay and get upgraded too eventually as it seems to have it's own popularity. I mean, the 4K out will be from a new dock I would have thought.
Switch Lite released 2.5 years into the Switches lifetime and it did exactly what it was mean to do in terms of a filling a gap for those only interested in the handheld aspect of the console. 2 years on from that would seem like a realistic timeframe to do the same thing again, except capitalise on those players more interested in the 'at home' experience. I see the Switch Pro coming around September time with a big push for whatever the winter releases might be to carry Switch into 2022.
A dedicated home console-only version is something I could see happen.
Although, that's almost the OPPOSITE of a "high-end" version, in that it would be a Switch MINUS screen and several other things.
But then maybe it would actually come with an Enthernet plug, and a Pro controller packed in?
It'd be LESS weird than an actual "Switch Pro" with stronger hardware.
@Pod that streams to a Switch like the Vita..l
However you want to spin it there's a vast difference in quality between between reports from the likes of Bloomberg & Nikkei and the typical wishlist "leaks" from 4chan and Reddit. Especially when we also have firmware updates adding things in the background like this:
4K display port output over USB anyone? The current Switch can't do that, why update the firmware to add it? Doesn't make sense unless a revision is in the pipeline in the short-to-medium term.
It's like before the Switch launched and there was all the speculation of the Wii U's successor. Of course there were the laundry lists of outlandish wishlists you could immediately dismiss. Impractical designs like that obviously fake 3D model (search the forums, I called it out as BS). But then there was the Eurogamer leak which was incredibly plausible and it turned out to be entirely accurate.
Pretty much all major products get leaked in some form before launch. The trick is being able to sort out the obvious BS from the technically plausible, the credible source from the "my uncle works at Nintendo". The current Switch Pro leaks from Bloomberg and now Nikkei? They're technically plausible rumours from very reliable sources.
I wouldn't dismiss them so lightly.
Not sure about that, the last one did pretty well (I don’t really play them, I was curious after reading your post)
@link3710 Agreed. I currently have 134 games (zero of them FTP, unless you count Rocket League and Uno. But I paid for those before they went FTP) on my system, not including Switch Online. I'm 35 and I'll probably never find the time to finish a quarter of them. At this point it's out the sake of preservation of history 😅
@Fandabidozi Good shout, a remake or update of Nintendogs + Cats could add a few million fresh customers to the Switches base on it's own
But aside from the PS2 and DS, no other console in the history of games consoles has ever sold 30 million units in one fiscal year before.
Not sure where this notion even comes from, during the pandemic no less.
This essentially proves Nintendo isn't in touch with reality.
@Razer Why not? Even from my own friends who supported ps or xbox went to switch last year. PS5 shortage helped alot for ppl who don't want to wait or spend alot of $. And there's that new switch users have a huge libraly of games atm who missed out let's say wii u or for those who didn't even have nintendo console. Heck even the advertisement is huge all over the world compared to xbox or ps.
Switch consoles readily available and more in production so why can’t I buy a Xbox series x?
@nhSnork sane ones dontbeleive in baseless speculation
My biggest question is how Nintendo could ever move on to a new console at this point. Their entire coping mechanism for Switch has been rereleasing the prior gen's games as new because nobody owned the prior console. They can't do that again next time, everybody owned a Switch. And they're clearly not capable of producing games at a steady clip. Either all the games they've been producing this gen are being withheld to sell next gen so that Switch was basically not its own platform but living out WiiU's planned life for a protracted time, or they're going to have to stash the vault with all the Switch money to weather the storms of the next console's relative failure while it'll have no games. My guess is it's the former, but it sucks to be WiiU+Switch owner. A "Pro" will revitalize it somewhat, but that late in the cycle implies they'll drag out the gen as long as they can, longer than any other console, because they can't afford to leave this gen behind.
NES but there are alot of games coming like let's say splatoon or even diablo 2 and the sales still speak for itself why hit yourself in the knee with pro while this one still gives and will give for like 2 years or so. Not everything is about graphics or 4k resolutions and nintendo has proven this time from time. Pro will just ruin everything that switch has now why bother with it atleast for now.
Wii U is one proof that is was not a good idea and even New 3ds was not the best thing to do when there was no games that really used it. Even thou i have them still not the best thing to do from nintendo so switch pro is not happening soon but just my guess.
@iaLgan Speaking only of "Nintendo" games, not multi-plats. You can buy Diablo 2 on anything and everything, but the rest of the comment is kind of my point, actually. If they rip the rug out and replace switch in 2 or so years with an all new (non pro) platform, they're in a stuck position of either having stored up most of the coming games to not release on this hardware (making this the Nintendo platform with the fewest new Nintendo games ever, or possibly just behind N64), or they end up stuck with selling a new platform without a lot of games to carry over to sell like "new" like they did this time. Dragging this gen out with a "Pro" seems like a "safer" bet for them.
The current hardware can't be milked forever. 3rd parties are running out of PS360 games to port and resell and are in need of a better platform to run their newer games on.
They're not getting another 3-4 years out of this hardware. And if they're replacing this hardware in 2 years, and skipping the pro, just going for a successor, you can bet a lot of the games they've been teasing us with for years aren't coming to this platform at all, or at least not as a better than sub-par experience. Because I really can't imagine a scenario they dump Zelda, Bayo, Splatoon, Metroid, Pokemon over the next 2 years, then launch new hardware and say "uhh..well...it's got Pikmin 4 coming TBD!" No, they need their big guns to sell new hardware, and those are the only big guns they have pending.
Granted, I wouldn't put it past them at all to just hype us for years about these games and then say "sorry, you're not getting them without buying new hardware, it wasn't really for your Switch after all." It's Nintendo. They'd do that. But I'd still be shocked if they did.
More likely "Pro" will be like DSi that kind of reinvents the platform without replacing the old units, until the old ones simply vanish and nobody ever remembers they actually ever existed to begin with (who thinks of DS and things of the gray phat model, today?) and then they can drag Switch out as their main platform until 2027.
I'm not banking on that, but that could be cool for the people willing to put down money for a stronger console.
@Pod yeah, guessing probably not going to happen....but I would dig it!
This is where I see them going
Microsoft and Sony too. We’ll see new hardware every 3/4 years with older iterations steadily getting left behind. It’s going to be mind blowing to long term Console users used to clearly defined generations but they aren’t cost effective anymore. The wider world is entirely used to this iterative model through Phones, tablets, PCs....well, everything that isn’t a Console TBH.
NES you have alot of valid points but switch offers portable that's alot for some people and Japan espesially Diablo on the go is just something awesome in my mind. And considering what they have to offer in this year they surely can keep up with this hardware for atleast 2 years. What ps5 for example can offer atm? Spider-man? What else? Resident Evil 8 might do the trick but that's all for now.
And yes my bet is all these games that we got trailers/teasers will come to switch. It's way to early for them to go for so called pro when the sales are off the roof and still going. Even MH-Rise gave a boost on sales why stop and make something that is not needed now.
@Ambassador_Kong It’s because people are finally discovering all the great Wii U games lol 😂
Every time I read one of these articles, I think back to 2017 when people on this site were emphatically insisting, "it's a flash in the pan- once Switch hits 30m it'll fall off a cliff, I foresee 40m lifetime sales, maybe 50m... once the Nintendo diehards run out, nobody will care"
As we approach 110 million sold by the end of its 5th year, I can't help but chuckle 😄
@JaxonH Ha, IKR? Do you know where to find the most recent, accurate, worldwide sales numbers? Probably Wikipedia and/or vgchartz or whatever that site is... 🤔
I wouldn't trust VGchartz except for loose estimates when no other numbers are provided. They collect known data, then use statistics to extrapolate into the future and extend the cumulative sales curve (its not "guessing" as some have accused). It's impressive when you have nothing better but it has a margin of error.
Wikipedia can be correct but it can also be edited by anyone so I wouldn't trust that either.
The only numbers you can take to the bank are the updates totals Nintendo gives each quarter in their investor meetings. Last update was just a hair under 80 million as of December, so it'll likely be 82m at end of FY March 31st. Another 28m (they may shoot for 30m but let's assume they sell 28m) would land Switch at 110m sold by end of its 5th year. With the potential to reach anywhere from 130m - 160m depending on its lifestyle and how rapidly the sales curve deteriorates toward the tail end. Either way, we're looking at the 3rd best selling gaming hardware of all time, and possibly the best, depending on how the cards fall.
@Ambassador_Kong There are plenty of games on the switch.
You can make the argument theres no games on the virtual console since the current library is trash and they slowed down even more to update it.
@iaLgan For the same reason they released the Lite, the DSi, the DSLite, despite sky high sales. To boost sales further, enhance developer interest, and to extend the life of the platform longer and increase it's potential market. They launched up the middle, added the Lite to capture the budget market, younger market, and mobile-only market. Why not add a "Pro" (or a total revision that replaces the original) to capture a premium market, and encourage repeat purchases by original owners looking to upgrade? Plus extend the life of the aging platform for additional years if they're so inclined. New 3DS offered a premium 3DS experience, then eventually replaced the original one, as a similar example. I imagine a whole lot of 3DS owners ended up upgrading to a New 3DS if they were heavy users. And would do the same with a New Switch! Furukawa had talked about a possible 10 year life cycle for Switch (even if they mean as a secondary budget console behind a new one). If they actually go for that, releasing a Pro next year would mean half of Switch's lifecycle would be with the new model. I'm not convinced they could keep Switch going to 2027 as-is. 3rd party is getting awfully limited by its hardware. But with a Pro they could if the specs are decent enough.
@electrolite77 "I believe in generations!"
Seriously, though, yeah, that's the model I assumed was going to happen this time around with both PS and XB. Sony'd commented at one point they intended to do that, and then they backed down. MS seemed clearly poised to do it and I thought X1X was the start. I lost the bet! Switch seems most likely to follow that model, but time will tell. I'm not convinced Nintendo is truly able to follow that model yet, and they're certainly the worst company to manage it.... I'd almost like to see that model. It could really lead to longer term ownership cycles and better economy of ownership, with less struggle during launches (and probably less scalper hijinx.)
A Fire Emblem Anime would be cool!
@SwitchplayerJohn I can almost bet when the switch pro drops it will get a COD game on it
Wish nintendo ramped up their triple A game output instead
@TruthisRare patience my friend
@Razer I can almost bet those 30 million units are switch pro's. It'd be pointless to produce that many base switch's.
Depends how they play it doesn’t it? MS are almost doing this with their reliance on their (brilliant) work with BC. The question is when do you cut older systems off, I personally think if you saw new hardware every 3 years, with support dropping away after 6 years, people couldn’t really complain.
It’s a model that would absolutely suit Nintendo. They’re aren’t bothered about being at the cutting edge of the Home system market, they almost have a niche to themselves, and they coin it in from their games having long legs. However I agree they’re likely to budge it up. For starters I think it needs a much more generous approach to game sharing across Accounts and that seems pretty unlikely.
@SnesSwitch not only that but I got backlogs of backlogs to go back and forth from that is stacking on top of my gaming time. And those naysayers the Pro if that be will be able to play your old games so what's the crying pools of water about? Tech moves on and having a newer Switch play both standard and HD games is the same Switch. And having 4K output is nothing new but more so because the Switch can do when Docked. If the system has 4K capabilities turned on when Docked is icing on the cake.
@beazlen1 thought so. Thanks.
@skywake there's little to spin when the likes of Bloomberg and Nikkei decide to drop their dignity to the level of imageboard fakes by building their speculations on asininely anonymous data. Like I've said time and time again, including the other day, all this stuff is either fake or smuggled, and neither is all too fit for a decent person (or even someone much less than that like myself) to indulge with no incentive beyond alleged future entertainment options. What's the point in stuff unless/until it actually happens? I only perked my ears up towards Switch once it was revealed, with no need for Eurogamer's previous stuff, and nothing that coincided between the reveal and Eurogamer made the latter any less worthless. That's what the rumour mills don't realize among other things - there's no crowning moment of Itoldyouso regardless of what horse they bet on. Even Gaming budgets aren't planned on the basis of rumours, at least in the sanity domain, because whatever you end up not having enough money for you can just invest in sometime later. But we still live in this white noise interspersed with actual news, and we still deal with "new model" buzz since the day the previous one comes out. No matter how conveniently some forget that "Switch Pro" wasn't a topic since 2020 or 2019 or even 2018 - it's been "predicted" since all the way in 2017 simply because some teraflop and resolution worshippers couldn't wrap their minds about a Gen 9 console connected to a TV having lower specs than two of the TV-connected Gen 8 ones. They wanted all the PlayStation and Xbox multiplat content with no regard to Nintendo having to produce and further saturate the market with another PlayBox for that to happen, simultaneously alienating a lot of what eventually became Switch's current userbase, those of us who would have simply had almost zero.practical access to all these multiplats and Marios and Zeldas on a Nintendo PlayBox instead of the versatile hardware piece we got. But hey, New 3DS happened once, right? Anonymous insiders, roll out!
Past all this wishful thinking and paracontextual speculation over firmware update codes (which can mean anything including a separate souped-up dock station - but hey, given the multitude of Nintendo uncles out there, I bet there's something of the kind on the big Switch Pro bingo board as well😏), there's still nothing but how Bob Parr aptly put it once - "we'll get there when we get there". Switch may have more component revisions like back in 2019 and is destined to be succeeded by something more powerful - but there's no point in counting alleged or factual days until those days when there's already so much to keep oneself busy with here and now. Otherwise, why even buy ANY current hardware? The moment the true next console/model comes out (and like I've joked elsewhere today, I can't wait for that moment to finally bury dozens of fanheaded placeholder names like "Switch Pro"), we'll be having "insider" reports about "New Switch Pro Advance XL" with blackjack and SSDs instead. For mere $450 apiece, word up!
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