Talks About Minecraft In Smash Bros. Began "At Least" Five Years Ago

Thanks for saying it's one of the best games ever and maybe the best in its genre I know a ton of people that act like it's like fortnite (ew) which is not anything special at ALL a so so game that got popular because little kids played it and soon everyone played it. I

It was a truly revolutionary game for its time. Those first few months when the alpha was taking off were really exciting, seeing all the additions and then the insane redstone creations coming to the forefront. The modding community delivered some proper bangers too, like jetpacks. It doesn’t surprise me that this has been in the works for years, from the sounds of it, the ability to create blocks fundamentally changes the way stages are loaded into memory.

@Ghostchip Who the hell says minecraft is like fortnite????????????????????????.

@nessisonett @Ghostchip
1. What makes it one of the best games ever, maybe the best in its genre, and

2. how was it truly revolutionary?

I don't mean to start a massive argument in the comments, and I don't mean to come off as someone who hates the game. I'm legitimately interested in your opinions.

Bonus question 3: Why does everyone hate fortnite?

Crazy how long it took before it came to fruition, but it does sound like implementation might've begun even before the release of Ultimate if insiders are to be believed. They put a lot of effort into Steve, and it shows. Too bad many here seem to be writing it off, but at the very least most people are happy and hyped. Plus, you never know when you'll like a character you don't want! I learned my lesson with Terry, who went from "I have no idea who this guy is" to one of the 3 characters I play most

@Cool_Squirtle In terms of creative freedom and the tools provided for the player, Minecraft marked a massive step forward for user-generated content. Redstone in particular allows for programmable circuits, leading to some truly impressive content. It even has a pretty substantial survival mode alongside the sandbox. Then, with user generated content came custom servers that pushed the boundaries of the software. There was even a festival a few months ago in-game due to Covid with artists like Charli XCX and 100 Gecs. This level of mass user generated content is unprecedented as Media Molecule’s fare never seems to quite lift off and other games with rabid fanbases like WoW and Fortnite actively ban mods, custom servers and the like. The possibilities with Minecraft are endless and the fact it’s both endured and not warranted a sequel speaks volumes.

Also, interestingly, the first battle royale game I played was a Hunger Games custom server in Minecraft circa 2012. Everything since has followed that exact gameplay loop.

They kind of left it a bit late from Minecraft's time when it really blew up. It's big news but had this happened say, before Bayoneta got into the Wii U/3DS games, I think it would have been even bigger news.

Then again, Minecraft did take forever to come to Wii U and 3DS.....

@Cool_Squirtle Minecraft basically ushered in a new generation not just for PC Gaming, but what it means for a game to have mass appeal and capture the mainstream market who don't necessarily play video games with its simplistic objectives and neverending stream of content. Not to mention people have analyzed its potential applications in stuff like coding and educational software. Minecraft might potentially be the IP with the largest following and active concurrent playerbase to ever be represented in Smash. It definitely is the largest third party inclusion like it or not.

He's essentially the perfect indie representative to lead in with given how the game itself was originally developed by two people

This is exactly why it makes no sense for people to wonder why they bothered choosing Minecraft.

@Angelic_Lapras_King I'd say it came at the exact right time given Minecraft made a major resurgence in popularity around 2018/2019 and is doing extremely well with stuff like Bedrock and Dungeons in addition to stuff like Minecraft RTX coming later

the initial reveal post on this site seemed to have a lot of mixed/indifferent feelings with steve in smash. i think its only fair that the roster tackles characters from other peoples childhood too. it may not have the appeal of the expressive gaming mascots we grew up with, but this game has proven its mark in gaming history and stands the test of time. i may not care about the game but its a very welcome addition

@Cool_Squirtle 1. It was the first really polished in the genre and it was just oozing with fun around every corner. It has also only gotten better with multiplayer being a big thing in its success. It Redstone/machine mechanics run surprisingly deep. Just a joy to play while most other builders get monotonous IMO. I'm sure others share this opinion but if you don't I get it its not for everyone. It also never felt like a editor but like you were the person which is great.
2. Is kind of like number 1. And it also was popular enough to really set the bar for how a games fanbase can mod and play with the creation as much as they'd like. I didn't play a lot of video games before minecraft and I'm sure it got a ton of people into it as well.
3. Fortnite was too popular for its own good. Its art style was kind of eh and its mechanics were semi good at best. It lost its popularity due to people realizing this wasn't the best experience (or even battle royale) they could have. It felt like the last year all anyone would play was fortnite and it was good enough to warrant a fan base and such but it EXPLODED. Now that everyone looks back on it we realize that it was a ok at best game that was nothing special. Does this warrant hate for it? Nope. But people think about how fortnite was played a ton and too defend themselves they say haha fortnite bad haha. I think it is bad but I only like a few shooters and this one is not really that good.

@Snatcher not like gameplay but a few years ago minecraft was as embarrassing to play as fortnite with buddy's or on the internet. But people realized it was not just a fad game like fortnite and it really rose again over the past few years. People were saying that it was just a game that was popular but kind of bad when you looked past the glitz and glimmer. As you know this is not true lol

I'll be very curious to see what Mii Fighter costumes tag along with Steve. What IP would pair well with Minecraft? What will the out-of-left-field costume even be?

Vergeben was right again.

@Ghostchip It's funny how you seem to hate Fortnite so much but love bringing it up when talking about Minecraft.

Quit acting like your opinions on Fortnite and Minecraft are objectively what everyone thinks. You can not like Fortnite but saying stuff like "looking back, we realized that it was an ok at best game that was nothing special" and "Minecraft was as embarrassing to play as fortnite with buddy's or on the internet" like they're more than just opinions is atrocious.

It's clear from your previous comments that you're just salty about Fortnitestill managing to rival Minecraft in terms of popularity (since you're incapable of realizing that lots of people still play Fortnite). Now hush up, please.

As lukewarm and slightly-off as I often find Minecraft, one would be deluding themselves to think that Minecraft is not wholly deserving of a spot in Smash Bros. Even Miyamoto himself has praised Minecraft. It is a revolutionary game that was unlike anything that had come before it in its presentation, gameplay, and popularity when it was in early development. It is the first game that comes to mind when thinking of a truly free, player-driven creative video game experience. As deserving as many other characters are, Minecraft undoubtedly deserves a spot as well.

I've never been into Minecraft (nothing against it, it's just not for me), but you could tell from the trailer that this wasn't a quick reskin and that some serious work had gone into this. It does look like it will give some new ways to play Smash, which I'm all for.

@nessisonett basically your last paragraph.. Lots of people have been minecraft like it is fortnite.. just connecting to a user generated server... (and for every user who actually creates stuff, there are probably 10.000 who just consume)...

My kids have during the years have had three ways of playing minecraft
1. Buiding stuff (with some impressive redstone stuff. which will really help them in physics i think)
2. Playing mini games (of which some are fortnite like, even with special skins etc., which have some street cred)
3. Second life style virtual cities.. my son has been shopkeeper, entrereneur, and now is a civil servant..(that still has some status there;))....

In a way epic always has looked at community generated content in Minecraft as inspiration of some events / development in fortnite.. don't hear anything anymore about fortnite though...

@Cool_Squirtle Honestly, I would love to see Jonesy in smash, mainly due to the salt of Fortnite haters. Fortnite is pretty fun, TBH.

@romanista Fortnite's current season is a total Marvel takeover, and it's pretty damn epic.

@Snatcher Outside the mass following of both titles they have nothing in common.

@LatsaSpege Try creative, and watch a few beginners tutorials. That is what got me into playing survival. And after the first few nights it’s honestly very peaceful. Also playing on easy make it, well, easy, and peaceful takes away all the hostile mobs.

@Snatcher just yesterday somebody said in the comment thread of the article announcing Minecraft coming to Smash Bros, somebody said "what's next, a Fortnite character"

I started Minecraft in alpha as well, right when I was in high school. The amount of fun memories I have with that game is pretty high, from raids to just hanging out. Minecraft is probably my most played game(hours wise) out there.
Even so I still think Steve is a weird pick, but I'm optimistic at least.

Vergeben was right all along. He heard right. Nintendo just delayed Steve's inclusion to the second pass.

@AlexanderDaniels I know Vergeben messed up a lot towards the end but I had no doubt in my mind that he didnt leak stuff, I just figured someone was feeding him false info, so I've held out some hope for the Minecraft prediction the whole time

@Ghostchip Thought I was in r/Gaming after reading your comment for a second.

@Cool_Squirtle #3 fortnight, I tried it for three rounds, it was boring each and every time. It's slow and was not fun. Also the freeium model really really puts me off! I want to pay and play the game for all time. Another reason I don't like it: it's not good for kids in my humble opinion.

@Danrenfroe2016 we had a similar experience. I couldn't get into it after two rounds and just deleted it. I don't mind freemium games, as long as they aren't pay to win. Why is it not good for children in your opinion?

@Cool_Squirtle Well I'm going to sound really cynical with this as me and my sister both played resident evil on the Nintendo 64 and also loved 007 on the Nintendo 64 as well as perfect dark and then after that we played some medal of Honor games, and I love Wolfenstein and doom and all new FPS ( most except call of duty) But I was 16 and 17 by the time 007 N64 came out. And to us that was extremely realistic, violent and mature. My sister is 3 years younger. Granted me and my sister did not turn into reprobate serial killers or anything like that.

But!

I just don't like the idea of 8, 9, and 10 year olds going around shooting each other in the head in a video game. (Am I becoming an old fogie? Maybe) My nephew is eight and I don't think he's ever mentioned that game or really knows about its existence although I know he's heard of it before but we don't exactly want to hasten them into playing those type games. I feel like Kirby and Mario and smash Brothers is more well suited.

I just feel like it's inappropriate for the younger players. And it is definitely marketed to them with all the dances and such. But what do I know. What do you think?

@Danrenfroe2016 I think there are definitely worse games they could be playing. If I had a young child I'd rather they played fortnite than a hentai sim/gta/doom-like game. Part of me wants to say I agree that children shouldn't be playing shooting games at that age, and part of me thinks games like splatoon, battlefront, and overwatch are totally fine for all ages. I think the thing that annoys me about fortnite specifically is that, as you said, its target demographic is children yet it doesn't have a strong fantasy element, and it's also not necessarily good in my opinion. The thing I do like about fortnite(and mine craft) is that they're so popular they're bringing in people that normally wouldn't play games, and I think that grows the gaming community as a whole. I'd probably push Kirby or splatoon on my child if he wanted to play fortnite though.