As Sony and Microsoft prepare to release their next gen consoles into the wild, rumours about Nintendo's future plans for Switch hardware continue to come in thick and fast. You name it, Switch Pro will have it. 4K upscaling? Natch. 48-hour battery life? We'd expect nothing less. Wake you up in the morning with a coffee and a bacon sandwich? Ooo, brown sauce please.
The latest rumour comes from Economic Daily News and suggests that an upgraded version of Nintendo's all-conquering hybrid console could come with a Mini-LED display courtesy of Taiwanese panel manufacturer Innolux Corporation.
The report suggests that Nintendo has recently visited Innolux, with the insinuation that it may be parting company with its current screen suppliers Sharp and JDI and using Mini-LED display technology from Innolux in an upgraded Switch rumoured to arrive next year.
For anyone unfamiliar with Mini-LED technology, no, this doesn't mean that a new Switch will incorporate some tiny little screen into an upgraded Joy-Con or anything zany like that (so you can stop imagining a VMU revival like we were for a hot minute!). Rather, the main screen on the new console would use Mini-LED technology as opposed to the backlit 720p LCD screen in the current models.
Still not sure what Mini-LED is? Well, it's probably best described as a 'hybrid' of current backlit LCD screens with OLED-style local illumination. Each pixel in an OLED screen emits its own light and can be turned on or off individually, whereas LCD screens rely on illumination from backlights which can result in light spill and dark areas of the screen that appear 'grey' rather than black (think about how the illuminated 'black' screen looks on your Switch when you first turn it on).
Contrary to traditional LCD backlights, Mini-LED screens provide a much more local field of backlighting to illuminate the pixels on the screen more precisely, improving screen contrast and, potentially, battery life (there's less 'waste' or light spill as light is only delivered to pixels that need it).
Apple is reportedly adopting this technology for its devices as a cost-effective way of improving its range of screens without going down the more expensive OLED or Micro-LED route (it should be noted that the confusingly named Mini-LED tech is different from Micro-LED tech, the latter of which is essentially a smaller version of OLED).
So what does this mean for a hypothetical Switch Pro? Screen contrast and brightness to rival that of an OLED screen and improved battery life as the console draws power more efficiently to the parts of the screen that need illumination. Whether this rumour turns out to be substantial is anyone's guess at the moment, but of all the wild whispers doing the rounds, this certainly sounds more plausible than many.
Let us know below if you'd expect a screen upgrade like this in any new Switch model.
Brown sauce. Yes very much please
"Each pixel in an OLED screen emits its own light and can be turned on or off individually, whereas LCD screens rely on illumination from backlights which can result in light spill and dark areas of the screen that appear 'grey' rather than black (think about how the illuminated 'black' screen looks on your Switch when you first turn it on)."
Mmm that also makes the screen hotter because each pixel lights on its own?
The original PS Vita had problems with screen burn-ins because of that on black parts of the screen?
This is one of the "Pro" features I would actually see happening.
*Why Nintendo? Switch Pro should be a premium device similar to PS4 Pro and xbox one x! Give me the best high tech i can afford!
It's no surprise, the Switch LCD is bargin basement on a technological front. Which reflects the quality.
"SwItCh LoOkS gReAt, TrOlL"
Save yourself the embarrassment and understand the world of technology before your feelings take over. I'm not even saying it in a negative way.
Objective > subjective.
@Zuljaras OLED (like the vastly superior vita screen compared to Switch) has that issue.
The day backlit LCD become obsolete is a good day.
Tbh. It doesn't mean it's for Switch Pro. Could just as easily be a revision for the current hardware if works out a cheaper cost to Nintendo. Which might allow them to reduce the price of the hardware further down the line or incorporate a 'free' game bundle instead.
I wish they'd get on with it now. My launch day Switch is starting to play up and I'm not buying another one with all the Pro rumours.
Out of all of the features I'd like to see on a future Switch model I don't think "better contrast and brightness" has ever crossed my mind.
I think a more durable version of the current Switch, (maybe with some slight performance upgrades) would be enough.
This rumor could very well be true, and if it is, that means that new products that incorporate this display technology are at least a year away.
@Moon Same - holding out for the Pro which I'm thinking will be released March 2021. The fan in mine sounds like it has seen better days and the screen brightness could be improved.
@Kimyonaakuma It's not just that. You don't get the greyish black levels or washed out image of an LCD screen because of the persistant white backlight. The picture quality would be vastly superior to the Switch's current LCD.
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@Anw_kh The 'Switch Pro' should just take what they've done with the current Switch that's brought them such success so far and improve and refined, in my opinion. The worst thing they could do is ditch the handheld mode as that's the system's biggest strength that sets it apart. Let the other two fight over the home console market, don't need three companies making basically the same thing. They also probably need to keep it relatively affordable for it to sell well.
This sounds like a nice upgrade. Hopefully the battery/power savings can be used to power a stronger processor. I’d love the Switch Pro (Switch 2, Switch successor) to be able to handle games as well as a base PS4 or Xbox One. The extra contrast & brightness would be great for when playing outside or in the car, when the bright sun is shining. The Switch is very poor in those conditions now.
MiniLED on switch will be very nice. It’s similar to FALD but with more zones. It’s really a stopgap to OLED, QD-OLED and eventually MicroLED, but is a realistic solution for now & will likely look gorgeous. No need for huge viewing angles on a handheld anyway.
This or an OLED panel or a IGZO will atleast suffice for me. I don’t need 4K in handheld mode but FULL HD with a different type of panel would be very nice.
I take it this means better motion as well?
Aside from a bit more processing power, the main thing I'd be interested in seeing on an upgraded switch would be a screen that did a better job in sunlight. If I could play the thing in the garden without squinting, that'd be worth paying for.
@Zuljaras Yeah, my Vita has screen burn-in. Still, overall the OLED screen was very pretty on the Vita and made games look amazing.
@TheFullAndy Yes, all types of LCD (even TN) have slower response times than practically every type of xLED screen.
Which is one of the biggest factors during motion. That's why sports screens are OLED (or plasma if older).
Screen is fine. 1. More durable, especially joy cons. 2. Something to improve frame rate and performance. 3. Something to significantly improve the atrocious load times. 4. Fully compatible with the current Switch game library.
Those are things that the Switch pro needs to be killer enough to buy, otherwise a pretty screen isn’t important.
I am still using my panasonic plasma TV because it handles motion so well.
This would be nice, I don't think a pro version of the Switch needs to to do a huge amount differently.
MiniLED seems a good compromise for the screen, potential for 1080p in handheld, better battery life and the 4k upscaling which has been rumoured would all be welcome additions.
I think its important to make sure that even if they release a pro all future games will still be compatible with all switch models and all of those features would be fairly easy to implement and maintain this.
The screen is terrible. Durability? What's wrong with it now? I would rather see glass over the display. Scratches are the only durability issue I see.
@TheFullAndy I have an old panasonic plasma as my secondary TV and always get a kick out of people commenting on how great it is to this day. So I'm right there with you.
@Menchi Maybe years ago, but response rate is why all VR headsets are now LCD. Index being the top of the line and still LCD. Motion on OLED is often smeary.
Once again.... it's wait and see for me. If a new Switch model comes out that's a bit beefier, they have my money. If not, I love the Switch I have.
@BenAV oh i'm totally with you mate! Dont change the switch! Just go all the way pro!
@Reprise I prefer longevity of the screen
Also if you don't have them next to each other both look good.
Fix the joycons and that itself will make it a "Pro" upgrade
@StevenG Most OLED are considerably faster than even top end LCD. 0.1ms vs 1ms? It has nothing to do with why they're LCD. In fact most of them are OLED now, not LCD. Rift, Vive, OSVR, Helmet Vision, all OLED. The "smearing" is because most of the headsets refresh at 45hz per eye for most headsets. Well, not with the new ones being 100 or 120hz.
I am so ready for a switch pro or 2.
I don’t believe that. Too expensive. Nintendo never opted for the most modern screen technology
I would rather have a Switch console which could output 4K or at least upscaling from 1080p or 2160. It shouldn’t be too expensive to do given that the next generation consoles are coming out and new GPUs and other tech. The screen would be 1080p handheld and then output 4K upscale. A $399 pro that could do this would be reasonable.
I liked this article just for its jokes and its bacon sandwich quip! Keep us smiling and chuckling! Thanks @gavinlane
@Anw_kh Fair enough. They should definitely be looking at upgrading it however they can within reason but I'd expect them to try to keep it relatively affordable. I wouldn't be surprised if it just replaces the current standard model altogether rather than it being a more expensive alternative.
"Nintendo's looking to improve screen performance and battery life"
All while bringing us 4K 60 fps at $350 apiece, girls and boys. And that's the price for the RDR2 bundle.
Then again, I can't outdo Gavin's own bacon and coffee line here anyway.
@Menchi No, increasing refresh rate makes the smear worse. The panel can't keep up from black to lit. This is a real problem with OLED. This is why increasing the brightness covers it up, because the "black" pixels get lit just a little, so they are on but slightly grey. That means you get those silly grey to grey numbers you are using.
Rift, Vive, OSVR, Helmet Vision, all of those are outdated.
The Rift has been replaced with the Quest 2, which is LCD.
The Vive has been replaced with the Index which is LCD.
Those last two sold about 5 units total.
What headset does 45hz? Per eye? They both refresh at the same time! Some of them use one big panel!
72hz is the Quest and that's the cheapest. 90hz on the second model. The index is the same.
Grey to grey numbers like you are showing are pointless. The issue is the panel being off then being on. Stop falling for marketing.
I dont need a Switch Pro, I need more games for the Switch. Ffs theyre still porting games to the switch from the Wii. The world doesnt need a slightly better Switch. The world needs more games for the Switch
Don’t care for power specifications, it will be powerful anyway. All I want is improved battery, non drifting joycon, stable internet connexion and bigger storage capacity.
I really wish Nintendo wouldn’t be so cheap e.g. adopt OLED instead. A lot of games don’t look that good in handheld mode, and if they don’t provide at least decent hardware things could go poorly for the Switch 2 or whatever the next is called.
@BenAV nintendo are fans of addons maybe a dock pro is what we get!
I doubt Nintendo will change the screen because the screen is very adequate for its games. My phone has a better screen than my Switch but I don't game on my phone. I could see Nintendo improving the chip again which could reduce heat issues and improve battery life. Maybe they would directly improve the battery as well. But otherwise as long as Switch is selling very well why change a winning and very profitable formula? Particularly as the pandemic has reduced a lot of people's incomes now and for the next year or so. So the affordability of switch is a big selling point in its favour. If Xcloud on phones really takes off Nintendo might think again but that will probably take years to happen anyways. Accept what the Switch is and be happy with what an incredible machine you've got! Banking on a switch pro coming out is probably not a good use of time, instead enjoy the Switch as it is. What I do think nintendo will do is release more crazy amazing inventive beautiful peripherals that extend the Switch as a gaming platform for those that want it along the lines of Mario Kart Live and Ring Fit Adventure! Sorry for being a downer to those counting on a Switch Pro. But happy gaming one and all!
@Zuljaras Sorta. OLED has burn-in (due to the organic components, which is what the O stands for), but Micro LED doesn't have burn-in while being basically the same thing otherwise as it's (in practical terms) just a synthetic version of OLED.
Hope this revision gets released before the end of March so I can buy some of the games they are delisting on that date.
Finally, a rumor that is sensible and sounds less like a wish list. Can't believe people are still begging for a portable 4k system. I would consider buying a pro for a led screen. Lcd sucks.
I could see an improved screen and better battery. I hope the system is larger instead of being made for children's hands and actually be comfortable to hold. If bigger they could switch the type of sticks used and stop this drift nonsense.
If you need something for anti aliasing, look into the Marseille graphics enhancer for Switch on Amazon. It does a good job.
@ummyeahnintendo People are still making this complaint?
Iunno what to tell you, the Switch library is pretty large even if you ignore the ports. I don't mind the ports since they don't take a ton of time to do and means I don't have to dig out my old consoles anymore. But they're still making plenty of new games, like Bravely 2 and Hyrule Warriors 2. Whether the games they're making appeal to you is a different story.
@BrintaPap Innolux and Sharp have recently partnered to mass-produce some of their products. It could mean that this is a miniLED but also an IGZO panel, like it was mentioned by a Sharp spokesman last year. This could translate in never seen before efficiency in a portable console, but I'm afraid these panels would cost a f* lot.
The only problem I had with the switch was the batterylife which got a major boost with the v2 release so im fine with how it is now. All I want are OS updates. Give us folders and themes and more apps, wep browser let us chat and send messages. Let us gift games on the eshop. All of this was already possible on older nintendo consoles just bring it back! Oh and miiverse will always be the most amazing idea nintendo has ever had and yall just weren't ready for it
@StevenG Must be some type of compromise for the screen size then, considering all high end OLEDs have no issues, including my current panasonic master set or people with the 2nd best current gaming tv, the LG CX. Which wouldn't transfer to something like a Switch replacement.
... because Nintendo has a history of being one of the first to adopt cutting edge technology... not.
Nintendo are about new clever uses of existing technologies - right back to using LCD to create the Game & Watch handhelds.
Look what they just did with Mari Kart Live: clever use of existing technology.
Still, anything can happen these days - but I highly doubt this news. Even with the potential cost and battery savings I think Nintendo will let the technology 'play out' in the wild for a while.
@ummyeahnintendo I agree we need more games, but I also think if the switch is upgraded enough internally it will be easier to get more 3rd party support. So I say the world does need an upgraded switch.
Well I’ve just bought a FULL HD tv 🤯
This time i will not buy ps5 or xbox...
I will wait for new switch.
The only games that i will miss from ps5 or xbox are
Except these games i dont like their rest games.
I still have a lot of games to play on switch.
A lot of games are out there for switch and a lot more coming...
I wait like a crazy new monster hunter... and i think i will play it on 4K!!!
If a pro switch, is to be true, I have a question.
Will there be different games for the different switch'? Why have a "4k pro" but be limited by the older switch/lite, and why forget the 75+million switch/lite consoles.
Either we have pro 4k/og/lite, and the same games, which would make a more expensive 4k pro pointless. Or we have a 4k pro and we leave the other consoles behind, to maximize the pro.
@teo_o that could be true (about the cost) the good thing on the market that’s happening right now is that OLED panels are starting to become smaller. See 48 inch OLED TV’s and more laptops with an OLED panel. That alongside a few brands like LG that starts to mass producing them even more and Samsung and the like focusing on MicroLed etc.
Hopefully this means cheaper displays, monitors, TV’s etc.
Im actually hoping there's no Switch Pro and Nintendo just releases a full-blown Switch 2 sooner.
Releasing a Pro version means we'd have to wait for a "true upgrade" waaay too long. The current Switch is just too anemic at this point, and a Pro wouldn't be much of an improvement (from a performance standpoint).
@Menchi yeah the switch screen isn't the best, but I think it's quality for the technology being used. What I mean is that the tech specs aren't great, but it isn't low quality — just older tech.
@diablo2 it could totally be, like many articles are speculating, that the switch is becoming a service and every new hardware revision is like a new smartphone in the ecosystem with the whole back catalog compatible. i'm up for that.
@Menchi No, it is the nature of OLED.
Your screens have it too, they cover it up. They jack up the brightness during fast motion and the blacks are no longer black. Turn down the brightness and check it out. To really see it have a black box centered in a white box and that moving around a grey screen. Makes it super obvious.
The panels used in VR headsets are the same size as what a switch would get.
The panel lottery is also real, some will do it worse than others.
Eh. I don't really care if the screen/battery life are improved at all (literally who has problems with the system's battery life since the red box revision?). I just want my games to run at native res when undocked. That's it. That's all the upgrade I need.
@Ralizah well if it happens to be more powerful, it needs a more efficient screen to maintain at least an equal amount of battery time
@TheSwitcher And older tech is lower quality than modern tech.
Have we actually seen portable device from any of the big manufacturers with mini-LED screen yet? If not, it’s surprising for Nintendo to be the first one to break into the market?
@Supadav03 I think that would be the next generation device, not an upgrade from what we currently have. I suppose they might be able to pull it off with some exclusives, but it doesn't seem to be the direction Nintendo is going if they want the switch to last 3 to 3.5 more years.
@PhhhCough I think they are just going to do stuff like improve battery, screen, make slightly faster, increase screen size by reducing bezel etc.
Rumors, throw enough at the wall and something is bound to stick. But that doesn't prove insight, just lucky guessing.
This actually sounds plausible.
Crazy how one day the polls show most people use the system docked and here we are celebrating more money spent on portable features. Just as I thought it was crazy to spend so much money on the joy con tech which btw drifts i'd much rather the money spent on processing power and ram so the games look and run better.
take these rumors as a grain of salt and besides i doubt a switch pro is ever going to happen since were only a few years away from switch 2.
I would be happy if the screen atleast featured local dimmimg
@Zuljaras that is true, oled doesn't really suit game console, since the HUD would cause burn in. However, an LCD would get hotter, since it has a backlight. However that doesn't affect the pixels on an LCD, since it isn't the pixels getting hot, it's the backlight. But yh, OLED would give Nintendo plenty of problems, mainly just burn in, and how much more expensive oled it
This is simply not true. Oled has vastly superior response times to LCD. LCD motion is horrible compared to just about anything. Just ask people who switch from plasma to LCD.
Apparently the screendoor effect is less with LCD panels which might be why they are preferred for VR. Price is probably a not unimportant other factor. Doubt custom low volume oled panels come cheap.
@ymax56 I play on a oled TV and it looks amazing. While in theory oled can burn it, it's unlikely to happen at noticable levels with normal usage. Unless all you do is play the same game 8 hours a day and that game happens to have a totally static UI, you shouldn't have to worry about it.
Okay, my first thought was totally of the Dreamcast, but this is cool too...
@AZD1222 I don't think so which is exactly why this rumor makes no sense at all. Similar results can be achieved much easier (and cheaper) by simply switching to a higher brightness LCD panel and replace the tiny battery with a bigger one. There is plenty of space in the chassis...
Back in my day we had to wait for daddy to drive by a street light to be able to see something on our game boy screen, we had no fancy el cee dee or o lad screens!!
In all seriousness, I'm honestly kind of excited for the Switch Pro. My old launch Switch kinda sucks, battery is dead way too fast and there's a crack on the shell from the heat.
First and foremost though I hope the Pro has the joy con drift fixed.
@Ponyo404 that is true, but I just think Nintendo wouldn't bother with an oled display. It would be so amazing (introduced my friend to oled, he thinks it's a revolution when it's been around forever 😂), those contrast levels (and maybe 60 FPS) would be sooooo nice
Cool, but I want RAW POWER!!! Hahaha! GRAPHICS!!!
(But for real, that and new control styles are the only thing interesting about new hardware pretty much.)
@BlubberWhale and a redesign. But don't forget colours, we need colours!
I think that Nintendo with the switch pro, try to get better battery life, and focus on 1080p at a locked 60fps. They could take advantage of Nvidia's DLSS 2.0 technology to upscale the image to 4k. I think that Nintendo's partnership with Nvidia could really help them make affordable consoles but still have close to cutting edge graphics. (ok that last part was a bit of a stretch but it gets the point across.
I’m brown sauce , or tomato sauce, but mustard is awesome! Xxx
sure.. like thats ever gonna happen.
Just give us OLED for [email protected]$*% sake. Thinner, better contrast and more vibrant, uses less electricity... win win win.
Every smartphone I've ever owned has been OLED, I almost can't stand looking at my laptop anymore it's that good.
Nintendo themselves have said that the Switch is currently at the mid-point of its lifecycle, so don't expect a Switch 2 until 2023/2024.
Using mini-LED over OLED makes sense given that it doesn't suffer the same technical issues (i.e. burn in) while offering similar illumination capabilities and better power efficiency.
It would be crazy to see Nintendo adopt mini-LED display technology before Apple does, which makes me a bit skeptical of this rumor in the first place.
Though this definitely makes more sense than the 4Chan-tier rumors of the Switch Pro being some mythical 4K 120FPS ray tracing-capable console-only fantasy box.
Switch reminds me of the Super Gameboy. The difference being that the SGB was literally a GB, minus screen, and inputs, using the Super Nintendo for video output, and controller inputs. The Switch is obviously an entire console that can go either way, docked, or handheld.
The whole idea of the Switch sacrificing dedicated handheld, and home console capabilities, to be a hybrid is probably something that mostly will diminish over time. Maybe not ever necessarily 100%, but to an acceptable extent. Remember, at one time, pdas (personal digital assistant), and cell phones were 2 separate items you carried around.
Mini OLED is still very expensive, Nintendo avoids using expensive parts when they can. They’ll just go with s good quality IPS display and people will faun over how mucus more rich the colours look. Especially as Apple moves to OLED for their phones, there is going to be tons of high quality LCD line capacity at factories. And really, putting micro LED in a device that could end up on a playground is just wasteful snd it would balloon the price.
@Ponyo404 Look up OLED smearing.
Grey to grey is very fast, but black to color is very slow.
Yes, Pentile is inferior to RGB. That's the cause of screendoor, just another problem with OLED.
Panel that size are used in phones, very cheap.
Black smearing is a huge issue with OLED. Better panels do it less, but they all have it to some degree.
@Zuljaras the ps vita released in 2011 or 2012 back then oled screen were still new and they were less efficient than lcd screens, while yes oled screens still do have burn issues it happens less frequently than it did back than
@TG16_IS_BAE agree. It'd be nice if the joy con "pro" sticks had the feel of the pro controller. But I'd like a bigger screen too. Same size Switch, just edge to edge and 1080p please.
I know it's just anecdotal, but my used Vita I ordered from Japan several years ago doesn't have screen problems. It has circular blotches you can see when starting it up, but looks perfect while playing games or movies. And I've compared Downwell on Vita vs Switch and it looks way better on Vita. The blacks are so rich. But it's also the kind of thing where it would never bother me if I'd only played it on Switch. Actually it still doesn't bother me at all to play Downwell in handheld mode on Switch.
I've finally seen a frame rate higher than 60. I got Vampire The Masquerade running at what I think is 90fps on my supposedly up to 144fps monitor and it is incredible. I have avoided playing PC games because I have so much trouble getting smooth frame rates. I'll be playing Dirt 3, F1 2014, or some older 1st person shooter or something and various frame rate counters will say 120fps, or 80fps, or 100fps, but I can see stutter that makes the game look like its running at 50 or 55fps. I guess it could be CPU related microstutter, who knows. But something like Rush Rally 2 (actually it's Rush Rally 3, awesome game!) on Switch or wipEout Omega Collection or Fast RMX or N++, all those look amazingly smooth on my 60fps smart LCD TV compared to almost anything on my older I5 gtx 970 rig. I'm probably missing some obvious setting on my monitor or PC. But at least Vampire the Masquerade (bloodlines, or whatever, the old 2002 or so rpg) look incredibly smooth! Anyways, the thing I want most in a Switch Pro or Switch 2 is 120fps capability. If not in handheld, then at least in docked mode. That feature is what I'm by far the most excited about on Xbox series X, series S, and PS 5. Having the ease of use of a console along with the stable and static GPU and CPU of a console allowing developers to lock games to an unshakable 120fps sounds so pleasing! I don't think I'll have the money for it anytime soon, but I'd LOVE to play Dirt 5 at a locked 120fps (hopefully I'll finally be able to see what my old Asus 1080p 144htz monitor can do). Oh, and if the improved Switch can boost frame rates on older unlocked frame rate games that would be freaking awesome. Hyrule Warriors and Spongebob locked at 60fps would be something!
My biggest issue with the Vita is that it has an OLED screen. I just don't really like them due to how dim they are. In comparison the Switch screen is like a mini sun. So I hope mini-led is far brighter than OLED.
@ymax56 Heck yeah! You know it buddy! 😛 Gimme a Nickelodeon orange Switch Pro and dock! (Jk, but seriously...) 😐
@Zuljaras OLED has lower heat output than any form of LED. So its should actually run very cool. Screen burn in with OLED is still a problem but you would have to leave the system on the same screen for a very very long time to get a burn in.
@JudgeMethos True, I would like a beefier switch with bigger joy-cons that have better grips and not just flat, and with actual analog stick, that could also be compatible with current switch models, and the pro would have extra features like power and screen etc.
@BlubberWhale imagine the glory of the design of the Pikachu 2ds XL, but on the switch dock. The possibilites are endless, and so tantalising!
@1UP_MARIO Can I get spicy?
Anyone else wanna see some kinda streetpass function brought over to the switch goin forward!? I absolutely loved streetpass on 3DS! Makin it a thing in a new/revised switch would be a great time to do so!
If they should really make a Switch Pro, I would like them to make it like the Wii U, with a second screen in the controller.
Otherwise they should just get rid of the screen altogether.
Yes, because if there is one thing Nintendo is eager to do, it is repeating the Wii U 🙄
@sremick OLED is to expensive. It would drive the price up by like a 100 bucks. That's why they take mini-LED over OLED. And btw mini-LED doesn't burn in.
@westman98 all this talk has reminded me of DeadPixelGate. Remember that? What a weekend that was...
@ymax56 😂 But nooo! Not TOO tantalizing please! I don’t want to have to start collecting all those luscious Switches! lol
@Zuljaras Burn-in has nothing to do with heat..
@Zuljaras OLEDs do run hotter and take more energy which is why mini-led makes more sense for a Switch. Micro-led is essentially OLED without the potential for burn-in and no degradation over time, but it is very costly to produce until the fabrication matures. Mini-led splits the difference; it can have thousands of dimming zones compared to 120 on a decent LED TV. There is still more potential for color and light bloom/bleed and banding compared to OLED and MicroLED, but it's far cheaper to fabricate.
@BlubberWhale hehe. Hehe.
@Mountain_Man TCL has two models using Mini-leds. MicroLEDs are further out.
@Wavey84 Those 3 games at 60fps would be sweet. Although I play Breath of the Wild docked while using dejudder/motion interpolation on my TV so it looks like 60fps with not too much input delay. I try to do that with any game locked at 30fps so it looks pleasing and smooth while playing.
@Krazzar I know that mini-LED technology currently exists, but if Nintendo is just now shopping around for a new display for a rumored future iteration of the Switch then we're looking at a year at least of development and testing before a new console would even be ready for mass production.
@rockodoodle oh, ok. They better add joycons to that list!
@Krazzar Thank you for the info as I did not know that. I thought that it was like the old OLED because Nintendo would love the cheaper option for sure.
Or they could be lining up parts for the next console, not a "Switch Pro"..... these things take years and many vendor meetings.
@andykara2003 Because of "Tabletop mode" wide viewing angles is a critical feature of Switch, however.
Hopefully the new Switch Pro had a feature that will allow you to transfer your save file to a memory card this time instead of the cloud and reduced load time on some games. I could not care less about the Switch screen as I will be playing it dock anyways. As long as it's not worst than the one on the base model it's fine to me. Also put bigger storage in the Switch Pro please, a phone is able to have 128gb of internal storage, there's no reason for any media device to have less than 64gb of internal storage in the year 2020.
If there's one obstacle with the Switch right now, it's battery life. The Switch's graphics chip is capable of handling higher resolutions, which is probably why everyone's asking for a Switch Pro.
However, you can't forget about battery life, and that seems to be what Nintendo's focus is in terms of hardware. Why would you release a major revision if you can't get the most crucial issue resolved? Heck, the New 3DS still had a resolution of 240p. The whole battery issue pretty much mirrors gaming laptops.
Didn't the OG Vita have an OLED display and then Sony got rid of it in subsequent models because it was too expensive or something? Maybe I'm misremembering idk
This sounds far more plausable, than all the ridiculous 4K rumors.
Micro LED to improve battery life. Add a newer higher capacity battery and improved cooling and they might finally be able to push the Tegra X1 chip to actual full 100% clock frequency potential. As right now it's locked down to about 70%.
So there is quite a performance improvement possible if they manage to find a way to run the Tegra X1 SoC at 100% in an updated Switch Console.
This would mean faster load times and increased framerates, which would mean current games that struggle with framerates should be able to run much smoother.
I would take such a new improved Switch console in a heart beat! Yes please!
@Wavey84 Interesting. That's a nice TV! Yeah, I wish 60fps was the floor for performance. The more stuff running at 90 or 120fps the better.
I seem to not be bothered much by input lag. I really don't like low frame rates or irregular frame pacing, but input lag rarely bothers me.
mini-LED panels also support refresh rates up to 120Hz.
While there is no chance the Switch Pro will support 120 FPS, this is definitely something that could be very useful for the Switch 2 should Nintendo chase after 120Hz refresh rates for next-gen.
I play docked almost exclusively, so I don't care what display the next Switch gets. A faster Tegra chip with DLSS 2.0 support and (at least) 8GB GDDR5 , that's what interest me.
Not gonna lie I could really do without a switch Pro, I think the lite is fine since its even more of a handheld than the normal switch but pro just seems kinda dumb to me
@Wavey84 it’s crazy how certain aspects took a step backwards after CRTs and have never caught up. I love & collect them myself for the 240/480p stuff. I love the instantaneous nature of cartridges - just switch on, Immediately straight into the game - punchy image, zero lag, perfect motion etc.
Really wish this wasn't a thing... Too many people just bought one. It's, like, 3 years old too? Way too soon...
A lot of youngers buy these too and many files are struggling.
Personally I think this is all just junk journalism and rumour... But say it enough and it comes true doesn't it?... Please guys... Find something else to talk about. Nobody but rich a-holes and Switch hold outs want this.
@1UP_MARIO What on earth is ‘Brown’ sauce... (sounds horrible).... is that a British name for Bbq sauce? Because if it’s not, I don’t think I want to know what it is.
None of this matters to me, the one thing I would want is a slot for 3DS games. I would also hope that our 3DS eShop and Wii U eShop games would play on the Switch.
I’m still not believing any of this. Why would they make a new switch when they already have a HUGE player base. Just watch, all these rumors are gonna be fake (literally you could go on a random site and say Nintendo switch pro with warioware pro and get featured all over this site) every little Timmy who beilieved it is gonna cry because they now have to wait, or complain that they didn’t just buy a ps5 or series x earlier.
@Anw_kh it's called a PC my friend
@Wavey84 Nice - we have almost exactly the same journey - Sony CRT to Panasonic plasma (still have mine), CX OLED. You’re so right about motion - & the OLED is great for movies and 60hz or 120hz games but has problems with 30fps games in terms of stutter because of the panel’s response time and sample-and-hold nature nature and of course the lower res in motion. I’d be happy to have a mild motion interpolation to counter the 30fps stuttering if it could be incorporated into game mode with no added lag - impossible I know. I just wish Sony & MS would just commit to a universal 60hz+ option for games but I don’t think it’ll happen. I’d be happy to sacrifice resolution for frame rate in every case & the C9/CX upscales very well. I don’t like BFI because of the dimming, as you say. I have a few decent CRTs - NEC XV29+ (for 480p), a low use 25” and 2 X brand new 21” Sony 4:3 late 90’s consumer trinitrons, a Loewe E3001 chassis shadow mask, new 14” later Sony and a BVM 20E1E pro monitor. hopefully at least some will outlast me with inevitable cap replacements and care. Getting them new took a lot of searching over a few years but it’s my hobby and the image of an unused set is much sharper and more vibrant than a used one. The BNIB 21” and up sets have pretty much run out now, although they do pop up very occasionally.
@Wavey84 CRT have input lag...
I can see Nintendo swapping for a crt display.
As long as they get rid of the ghastly screen bezels, they stand out like an old Android 2012 tablet.
LED would be nice, 1080p handheld is what would be worthwhile for the pro and 2160p docked if we are being realistic
@Willsy @WaveWitch CRTs only have input lag if they’re the more recent HD (1080i) models. The older 50/60Hz models have a lag in the microseconds, basically zero. For SD consoles, you should use one of these types. My LG CX or any modern TV has no hope of matching this, even running at 120fps.
I couldn't care less about an update to the Switch's screen or battery life. I have no interest whatsoever of ever playing my switch in handheld mode.
Please, Nintendo, just give me a dedicated tv box that's powerful enough to play next gen games without compromise along with all of the great first party stuff.
@PhhhCough There'll be no Switch Pro. This "Pro" concept of a separate more expensive version to sit next to a base model has been around for precisely one generation in the entire history of videogames. That (XB & PS4) was mostly due to the sudden proliferation of 4K and HDR. It's simply too late in the Switch's cycle for "Pro" model too, and I doubt we'll ever see the "Pro" concept from anyone ever again.
There's no doubt we'll see a Switch upgrade. Just expect it to be Switch 2 or a Switch New (like New 3DS) and REPLACE the current version. So it will retail at the same or similar RRP while the old model might get discounted to run out the stock.
My guess is Switch 2 late next year or early 2022 with BOTW2 as a launch title.
But switch can barely do 1080p 🤷🏻♂️
That defeats the entire purpose of the Switch platform.
And considering they’ve sold 65 million of the things in just three years, I’d say they made a good call.
And I say this as someone who plays Docked 90% of the time. But I do enjoy the portability when I travel and know I’ll be waiting around for a while. And sometimes when it’s nice outside I’ll take it out and play a nice RPG on a cool evening.
@BenAV agree 110%
@1UP_MARIO You can't have bacon without brown sauce!
@HalBailman We're seeing the Pro concept with Xbox Series S and Series X.
A Switch Pro with a samsung amoledor atleast LG poled would be awesome. Switch lcd isn't bad, but some games really doesn't take the grey blackness well
@WaveWitch Yeah, I hear you.
Yeah, CRTs are incredible. They simply look great, almost no matter what CRT you're using.
What happened to the rumored IGZO display?
@StevenG and LCD has fundamentally poor motion handling. And how often do you have a scene that has lots of full blacks? Not that often. I'm playing Super Mario Galaxy on a C9 and can't see I notice anything off.
What I do very much notice is that it looks miles better than any LCD I've seen.
I will say it again, there won't be a pro but just another revision with a way better battery life and screen.
@Ponyo404 The color black is widely used.
What mode are you using?
An IPS LCD would compete very well, but those are also expensive and rare. I like OLED, but it's not always a good fit.
@60frames-please I like your name. There, I said it. What are you gonna do about it? 😂
the rumored Switch Pro having mini-LED display is good or bad for the console?hmmm mini-LED display for Switch Pro?does this means Switch Pro is gonna a hybrid like the standard Switch?
I don't care about screen or battery as long as Nintendo hasn't addressed the joycon issue.
@Ponyo404 @Menchi refresh rate and speeds are completely different. Refresh matters where speed does not for the most part. You will not notice a .01 ms compared to a 1ms unless you are right upon the screen. As far as the switch goes the screen is already so small and is at least a foot or more away from your face. It will not be noticed. Now of you had a 50 in tv a foot say from your face you would notice it. This is why for the best picture there are distance ratings which noone that games goes by.
@WaveWitch Cool name! Yeah? I like those old Sonys also. What is amazing to me though is just how pretty much any CRT looks incredible. I had a cheap, crappy 9 inch color CRT and plugged my PS3 into it and was blown away by how awesome Wipeout HD looked on it. I couldn't understand how it looked so good.
@BlubberWhale I'm just going to tell you I like your name too. I see so many interesting names on Rocket League. Yours is kinda like one of those I guess.
I have an OLED TV right here, the screen stays cool even while displaying white for a longer period of time, which is the worst case. OLEDs do not really go above room temperature, under normal circumstances.
Power consumption of an OLED is theoretically lower than than other screen types as well, but this is a topic under debate. I think the problem are the things that TVs do to protect their OLED screens from "burn in", which in turn costs power, but I am not sure on that one.
The brightness of the picture currently displayed also has far more influence on the total power consumption than with LCD.
"Burn in", btw, has nothing to do with actual heat in the OLEDs case (at least not under normal usage).
Single OLEDs degrade by usage, so if you have, let's say, a blue box constantly on the upper left corner, than the OLEDs responsible for the color blue will deteriorate faster than other colors, giving that space where the blue box was a slight red tint, which is noticable because this didn't happen on the rest of the screen.
The only reason why it is commonly called "burn in" is because the result is similar to plasma screens burn in.
All that being said, modern TVs use a lot of tricks to prevent this from happening. At this point "burn in" is not a realistic problem anymore on TVs at least. Though a lot of people still think that it is...
It's interesting to me, that you notice motion blur on your OLED so much.
On my Philips 803, I barely ever notice that.
Interestingly, I had noticed this at the very beginning specifically while watching sports, but the effect was gone after a few days. I possibly changed some setting reducing the effect without me trying to, but thats just me trying to find an explanation for something that still confuses me.
I since talked to guest in my home if they could still see the blur, since I might just have somehow gotten used to it, but so far no one was able to notice anything like that.
I played a variety of games already, essencially all big Switch games, for example.
Maybe I will try a first person PC game, since my PC is connected to the TV anyway, though it's not like I really want to see that, I guess .
But yeah, I know, other display types can be a lot worse, not including CRT and Plasma.
I have seen horrible things myself in the past, though I wouldn't be able to tell the models anymore.
As for QLED, I only have my Samsung monitor (49RG94) for comparison, that one, at least, doesn't smear too much, thankfully.
@SigourneyBeaver Not really because the Pro concept is during the cycle and offers a radical increase in power and commensurately higher price. This strategy by XB is more like PS3 era of offering a budget model related to storage, with the added benefit of slightly lower specs for those that don't need higher. It'll be interesting to see how it works out.
OLED is organic in nature and will degrade over time even if they less it's lifespan. Consider a 300 or 400 Pro Switch loosing color in a year. What do you think the fallout will be for Nintendo be for having to replace defective OLED screens. It won't be a happy reunion I can tell you that.
Here's what I don't like from Industry FAQ:
What's the lifespan of an OLED TV? Any OLED TV should last you years of use. Back in 2016 The Korea Times reported that LG OLED TVs had a lifespan of over 100,000 hours (11 years of constant use).
11 years and those buying used Switch with OLED will be screwed over unless Nintendo replaces those screens to be resold.
@HalBailman To me it's similar, only they're being launched together this time. But Series S doesn't have an optical drive, so it's probably not a direct comparison.
However, it will be very interesting to see how it works out. Series S is still a huge upgrade over the original Xbox One and Xbox One S, so maybe the cheaper price will sway people towards it. It will also be very interesting to see how much value is put in physical games this time around.
If the display dies only after 11 years of usage (!), then I really don't see the problem.
That's easily at least 40 years of real time if it was used solely as handheld.
Docked, the screen doesn't detiriorate at all, at least not that way.
At this point it is very likely that the system dies because of some other component.
If "11 years of constant use" ist true then this can't be an argument against OLED, that would be silly.
@StevenG cinema bright mode because it's most color accurate. Also turned off all the post processing.
I think there are plenty of IPS TV's. My previous LG was IPS and I believe all non oled LG TVs are IPS.
But blacks still depend a lot on the backlight. On my old tv backlight bleed was very obvious when watching a movie with black bars. Once you see, or rather do not see any backlight bleed on a OLED you don't want to go back.
Yes if you got a LCD with a lot of dimming zones the issue is less obvious but at that price point you might as well get an OLED.
@Dirty0814 Nonsense. Refresh rates or response times or whatever you want to call it, don't get any more or less noticable depending on the screen size.
Viewing distance ratings are for immersion and aren't really any different for movies or games.
Also you aren't going to notice a difference between 1 and 0.1ms.
@Ponyo404 Bright mode, meaning it's going to turn blacks to greys to get rid of smearing. It does this only a frame or two ahead and only around what is about to change.
I have both OLEDs and IPS TVs, and other devices. The black levels are great on the OLED, the smear is not.
@StevenG Unless the TV is buffering how does it know what is ahead? Given the low input lag on oleds I doubt it's buffering the image a few frames at a time.
Anyway I don't notice any smearing. As I said, there isn't a whole lot of content that has a lot of pure blacks in it and without the pixels actually turning off there isn't any smear.
Sounds great, a really nice battery life and 4k upscaling with a hybrid of oled technology for display would be fantastic
Tbh though I'd really like a VMU style display incorporated somehow
@60frames-please Haha, thanks. Hey I just played that for the first time like... a day or two ago.
OLED screens are still expensive? Well, this seems to be the way going forward for more advanced screens. I'm just glad they could be finally abandoning LCD.
My guess is, the Switch Pro will draw so much power that they will definitely relly on the best efficiency options currently avaliable.
Thinking about this, it could improve the visibility of obscured interiors in Animal Crossing.
@SigourneyBeaver To you they are, in reality they are not. Like you said, they're a simultaneous release, one has no drive, and XB's strategy is clearly to appeal to the budget buyer. With the "Pro" concept, it comes mid cycle to take advantage of technological advances, and to appeal to high-end buyers and enthusiasts. Sales will probably guide us more, if it's 80/20 split towards the S, you can say indeed X is like a "Pro". If X dominates, then it's the mainstream version with the S the version for the niche budget audience.
Nintendo always aim to cut corners. Expect a standard lcd.
@Zuljaras no burn in with mini led. Its still an Led or Lcd Pannel used. Mini led is like local dimming on crack, giving you an oled like functionality. Not quite as good, but somewhere inbetween. Plasma and Oled are the ones that get burn in. But modern oled tech makes a lot of effort to minimise burn in threats.
@kalosn mini led is just the back light. Its not to be confused with micro led which works like oled. Mini led will work behind an lcd pannel to give tight contrast and colour accuracy control. If this is true they will still most likely be working with sharp.
@Zuljaras , OLED has that problem, mini led doesn’t
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