In case you haven’t been keeping tabs on the WWE video game scene, it’s currently in a state of complete anarchy. Ever since THQ went bust and 2K Games took over the licence in 2013, the games have been gathering a steady flow of criticism, which has been rapidly gaining in pace as each instalment is released.
The situation has been particularly grim for Nintendo fans. When 2K took over it completely ignored the Wii and Wii U and only released one game, WWE 2K18, on the Switch. The problem was, this Switch version was more broken than Matt Hardy (don’t worry non-fans, that’s his gimmick: I’m not libelling him) and was absolutely riddled with bugs and slowdown. Rather than fix it, 2K quietly shirked away again and chose not to bring 2K19 or 2K20 to the Switch.
Even fans of other consoles have been discovering what that feels like now. Last year 2K ditched developer Yuke’s – who had been lead developer on the series ever since it started two decades ago – and decided to make WWE 2K20 on its own, before quickly realising it was rubbish at making wrestling games without any help. As such, there will be no WWE 2K21 at all on any system: instead 2K is pausing to reflect on what it’s doing wrong, and is letting its NBA Playgrounds studio Saber Interactive release a cartoonish arcade-style brawler called WWE 2K Battlegrounds instead (hey, at least that one’s coming to Switch).
It’s clear that the WWE 2K series is in some sort of existential limbo as 2K tries to figure out how to revive a series now that it’s punted the team that knew it inside-out. I think I might have the solution, and while it’s something of a bold one I think deep down anyone who’s been playing wrestling games for a long time will know it’s the correct one.
Kill it. Retire it. And bring back No Mercy.
For those not familiar with it, WWF No Mercy was a Nintendo 64 exclusive and was the definitive WWF (as it was known then) game. It had an enormous roster for the time, had a thoroughly entertaining branching story mode and, most importantly, had the most perfect combat system which has yet to be even remotely approached by any other wrestling game since, let alone surpassed.
What made No Mercy such a fun game to play was the tactical element of its control system. On a base level you had two opening gambits: an attack (with the B button) or a grapple (with A). You could tap either button for a quick one that did less damage, or hold it down for a more powerful one that took a while to wind up, telegraphing it to your opponent so anyone reasonably skilled at the game could figure out what’s coming and reverse it accordingly (the L button reversed grapples, the R button reversed attacks).
What this ultimately meant was that if you put two experts against each other the game would actually play out like a real wrestling match. You would never be crazy enough to try to bust out the big moves early on, because your opponent would see you coming a mile off and counter you out of your boots. Instead, your strategy would be to try to chip away at your opponent with quick attacks and grapples, and slowly wear them down. Then, as their stamina depleted, you would be able to pick them up off the floor and leave them stunned for a brief period, finally leaving them wide open to more powerful attacks and grapples.
It’s the closest a WWE game has ever come to feeling like the real thing (and yes, we know it isn’t ‘real’ in that sense, so if you act smart and mention it in the comments everyone will know you didn’t actually read the article). The fact that two decades later nothing has matched it speaks volumes about the current state of the genre: it’s little surprise that there’s an active ROM modding scene with fans making their own modern versions of the game, by taking out the old wrestlers and replacing them with today’s superstars.
What I propose, then, is that 2K call these modders’ bluff and do the same thing. Give No Mercy an HD update, call it WWE No Mercy 2K22 (it’s too late to do it this year), and fill the roster with modern WWE and NXT superstars. Chuck a bunch of legends in there too: the character models are so low poly that you could have hundreds and hundreds of wrestlers in there with fairly little effort. Yes, 2K has a big scanning set-up that it uses to make photo-realistic versions of athletes in its NBA and WWE games, but given that 2K20’s character models were notorious for looking like ropey mannequins from a backstreet Niagara Falls waxworks, we don’t think many would care too much if this HD No Mercy had hundreds of low-poly grapplers in there instead.
Here’s the kicker: there’s already precedent for this. Right before THQ went under it released WWE WrestleFest, an iOS version of the classic 1991 arcade game that retained some of the original roster like Jake ‘the Snake’ Roberts and Macho Man Randy Savage, but also added the likes of John Cena and The Rock. It was planned for Xbox 360 and PS3 but when THQ went to the big squared circle in the sky, so did WrestleFest. It’s no big loss, because it was rubbish, but the point is that taking an old wrestling game and updating its roster isn’t even a revolutionary idea: it’s been done before, just with a game that wasn’t very good in the first place.
There’s a deep irony in the fact that Nintendo fans have been getting slim pickings these days when it comes to wrestling games, whereas 20 years ago Nintendo was the place to be if you wanted the definitive WWE experience. It’s time to correct that hideous injustice and bring the champion out of retirement for one last ride. It’s time to show a modern generation of wrestling fans how a video game representation of sports entertainment is supposed to feel. It’s time to realise that THQ picked the wrong horse to back all those years ago and should have killed the SmackDown! series (which eventually became 2K) instead of the N64 games. Friends, it’s time for No Mercy to make a run-in.
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This is such a no brainer, I've been saying it since even before the Wii Virtual Console, but that was the point where me and my friends were championing for a version that is practically identical but just upgrades the roster, arenas, music etc. It makes so much sense I genuinely can't believe they haven't done it yet
Huge wrestling fan here.
I would be happy with a starter compromise of a Wrestlefest/WWF Superstars style game with a large roster of current and legend wrestler (to h*ll with "Superstars" that's a f'n Vince term, they're wrestlers darn it).
The modding community is HUGE for the AKI engine games (like No Mercy). If they can accomplish the stuff they have, then a multi million dollar company could easily give us an upgraded No Mercy engine game with a Fire Pro level character customization system.
That would be the end all be all of modern wrestling games!
I loved this game and would welcome a remaster. As I’ve not followed WWE since, I would be ok with the same roster, but with CD quality entrance videos and music. Also later themes. E.g. The Game performed by motorhead rather than the previous HHH theme that featured in the original game.
Definitely need a good wrestling game , thou don’t bother putting new superstars in , wrestling now days is terrible keep the attitude era wrestlers in and add some of the new ones as unlockables if needed but defo a remake of this or smack down would be awesome
Something that has no chance of happening.
Yes.
No other words needed.
I'm really surprised nobody remembers the fact that THQ were toying with the idea of No Mercy being released on the Wii with an updated roster, it had a small section in one of the Nintendo magazines around 2007/8 time...
@FourBs yup me and my brothers were eagerly awaiting it's release on Wii VC and nothing....I bet Nintendo were not interested just like with Rare's Goldeneye VC version (which they wanted to release on 360 too). Nintendo had some serious idiots on the payroll during the Wii years, no doubt sponging the money for little to no work. A No Mercy revival would be Great.
All the N64 wrestling games were top notch. No mercy, Wrestlemania 2000, WCW/NWO revenge, world tour. So many bangers. They all played the same, and were easy to grasp. I spent so many hours playing them as a kid. I still fire up WM2000 and Revenge every so often.
@FargusPelagius To be fair, being "idiots" has nothing to do with it: when you're dealing with something like Bond or the WWE there are licensing issues you have to sort out.
This used to be a lot of fun, particularly the corny scripts. Like the Undertaker...
"You may have defeated [opponent], but now it's my time. I'm gonna kick your ass!... Next week."
@FourBs I hadn't heard, but man that would have been heavenly. A No Mercy revival sits atop my list of gaming comeback dreams with a new (and good) Virtual On, Shining Force, Advance Wars and Dokapon Kingdom.
The Fire Pro Wrestling version of games have always been superior to that piss pressed to a disc known as Smackdown. How THQ and now 2K have been dumb enough to let it die and stay dead is just beyond my brain's comprehension.
@Emperor-Palpsy Yep, sounds right in line with a typical promo from back then.
"Next Sunday, at [insert pay-per-view], I'm going to bash your face in!
I have WWE Day of Reckoning 2 on the GameCube, which is basically the sequel to No Mercy. It looks and plays way better than that marshmellow wrestling game.
Big wrestling fan. Great article. I agree. Nothing has ever been as good as No Mercy. WM 2000, which came before it, was also exceptional, but this pipped it (aside from the erase data bug in the early carts, which I had .
The WCW games, which used the same engine, were also fun too.
I would buy an HD update of No Mercy in a heartbeat. Still my favorite wrestling game ever.
WCW/nWo Revenge should be the one. I played hours and hours of that game. The perfect wrestling game.
Yes! The story mode was so good! And all free roaming of the corridor to the bar and car park. Great memories.
Actually, tell a lie, I loved the odd GC game WrestleMania XIX, which did not have a season mode, but the main game was a weird ass mode which involved beating up security guards in shopping malls, and throwing builders off construction sites. That was fun! It tried something so different.
"most importantly, had the most perfect combat system which has yet to be even remotely approached by any other wrestling game since, let alone surpassed."
"It’s the closest a WWE game has ever come to feeling like the real thing (and yes, we know it isn’t ‘real’ in that sense, so if you act smart and mention it in the comments everyone will know you didn’t actually read the article). The fact that two decades later nothing has matched it speaks volumes about the current state of the genre: "
Whoa, @scully1888, not true. Def Jam Vendetta (released on all three consoles at the time), and the WWE games on GCN tried to carry on the spirit to varying degrees of success, with WWE Day of Reckoning 2 almost sticking the landing. If only THQ would have stuck with AKI/Syn Sophia and continued perfecting these games instead of crowning Crapdown the champion.
@Papichulo Looks, better yes, but plays better? Nah
It captured the spirit of No Mercy, but took the engine and made the gameplay too fast in some ways, when it was always meant to be more technical/methodical and not as arcadey. It also had an extremely crippling mechanic taken from the Crapdown series in which ANYTIME two wrestlers are locked in an animation are hit by a third, they immediately drop to the ground as if gravity intensified by 100 degrees: pins, submissions, grapples, you name it. It made triple threat cage matches impossible, and doing any extended animation where you have more than one opponent extremely risky if not flat out foolish/impossible.
That being said, if THQ would have just stuck with the formula and iterated on it, the world would be a much better place today.
Nothing’s really come close to No Mercy for me, it’s just a brilliant game with a great roster. No way it’s coming onto modern consoles though, they’d have to remake it because Chris Benoit is in it. I don’t see them allowing a game with him to be released after what happened.
@burninmylight The Def Jam and GameCube WWE games certainly tried to recreate the formula, like you say, but I think the Def Jam games were too fast and the GameCube ones, while brilliant, just felt ever so slightly off. Totally entitled to your opinion, but I still reckon No Mercy was the most fun to play.
@Grot I think it's more the fact that there's no chance in hell that the WWE would allow the release of a new product with him in it. He'd need to be removed or replaced, or this idea would be a non-starter right away.
Umm yes please!!!! But probably not realistic
Way easier and more plausible solution... Spike needs to port the current Fire Pro (the best wrestling game on the planet) to the Switch.
@Grot I didn’t say that they shouldn’t rerelease it, I would love that, but WWE definitely won’t. They removed almost every mention of him from anything they put out, therefore this would also be affected.
Sadly it will never happen, as I doubt the WWE will want to pay royalties to wrestlers who are no longer on contract.
Bar the ones on legend's deals etc.
@Grot I think that cancel culture is one of our biggest problems, but only really regarding free speech or morality. If it's legality we're talking, and as in Benoit's case a heinous and horrible crime, I think it makes sense not to include him in a way. But I totally understand your meaning.
I just want a wrestling game in general on Switch that isn't Fire Pro (not my cup of tea) . Haven't touched anything Take Two throws up, never played No Mercy since I was a Playstation kid so have no feelings towards it. Reading this doesn't make me want to play it either in new or old format.
TNA (now Impact) and AAA had releases last gen and both were a lot of fun and very different to the then Smackdown series, I'd love either of those updated and rereleased (give me Pagano) but no hope of that. They even looked better, go look at some of the models in the games compared to recent 2K garbage, night and day difference.
Modern wrestling/wrestlers are trash, but I would play a new No Mercy game if it was loaded with old wrestlers
@scully1888 Oh I agree about No Mercy being the most fun, but I just felt like we should acknowledge THQ's attempts to carry on the formula after No Mercy; it wasn't like THQ thought that game was the pinnacle of possibilities and was a masterpiece that should never be touched again.
That being said, tell me more about this modding scene for the game, and where to get started. I've been thinking lately that if publishers won't give me the games I'd love to play again, then I'll resort to the efforts of other passionate fans.
I just love the thought of playing N64 games on the Switch.
Yes please! Ill take one!
I want wrestling games like WWF: the arcade game WWE no mercy and WWE Allstars.
Wrestling games with all the greats of back then and now that doesn't take itself too serious but has an accesible fun arcade style experience.
I want a roster with Jake the snake roberts, Andre the giant, The rock, Stone cold Steve austin, even Brock lesnar and John Cena, Hulk Hogan and many more.
And Paige cuz well it's Paige!
@Grot I enjoyed War Zone at the time (and especially loved its sequel WWF Attitude) but in hindsight they didn't really hold up: entering different multi-button commands to do special moves was a bit too Mortal Kombat.
Nothing more infuriating than to have friends convincing me that the Yukes/2K games are good to someone who grew up with the AKI wrestling games.
@nessisonett What he did was tragic but if he is being kept out of games simply because 'bad man is bad!' then I disagree, if he is kept out due to respect of the families and his tragic end then I can live with that if anything this goes to show that Wrestling is real in the sense that it is a very dangerous sport and with the lack of proper health care they get from the WWE can lead to very tragic situations.
You also don't see Owen Heart pop up in wrestling games either.
Shame such a fun form of entertainment has such a seedy underbelly, it's almost like video games itself...
RetroMania Wrestling is releasing soon on the switch for those looking for WrestleFest/Superstars fix.
@KillerBOB How can you say that modern wrestling / wrestlers are trash? We are in arguably THE golden age of wrestling with so much quality out there for every type of fan, promotions like NJPW, CMLL, AAA, Impact and more constantly putting out incredible events.
A bit of rose tinted view of the past I think.
@khululy I mean, look at the guy in charge of the WWE, he’s literally a raving lunatic. There’s definitely a big difference between what happened to Owen Hart and what Chris Benoit did but at the same time, I reckon they ignore it because WWE is ultimately responsible for both. The head trauma seemingly caused Chris’ mental health to plummet and Owen Hart never would have been trying that stunt without somebody high up approving it. I assume they’re trying the old ‘if they don’t acknowledge it, they can’t be criticised for it’ trick.
Who owns the IP? Not the WWE license, but the No Mercy Code?
@nessisonett I both respect and loathe Vince mcMahon at the same time for things he did for wrestling as a whole.
If third parties won’t come to switch on this and make the proper game, Nintendo should revivify NES Pro Wrestling with a new title.
The Amazon is ready!
Time to break the walls down
@BeautyandtheBeer
In the 90's, WWF and WCW were drawing tens of millions of viewers a week (each), wrestlers were featured all over mainstream media, talk shows, magazines, etc.
Now nobody cares about it, and WWE is getting their lowest ratings in history and AEW has about 650-700K viewers 🤡
I had all 4 of the AKI/THQ games on N64 and loved them all. Being able to turn off TKO so you could continue doing Stone Cold Stunners to your half-dead opponent was great.
Yes, I contend to this day that No Mercy and Wrestlmania 2000 were the best wrestling games... ever! Sorely missed as well.
@Edu23XWiiU @Mana_Knight @NintendoByNature
WCW/NWO World Tour & Revenge were religion in my household. Besides myself putting in endless hours into them my brothers and I would always do 4 player fights and tag team matches. There was never a shortage of friends at the house so the living room was always as wild as a craps table in Las Vegas. Because the engine was so ingeniously designed it made all of us so good at the game the matches would be very intense to the end. WWE No Mercy unfortunately came when those days slowed down some so it didn't get as much love as it deserved.
In that case I'd prefer Revenge because I'm biased however I'd completely accept No Mercy because technically it is the superior version of the bunch. My personal experiences are just more connected to the WCW/NWO games.
Nah not for me!
Virtual Pro-Wrestling II over this every day of the week!
Best pro-wrestling game released on N64
@nessisonett Virtual Pro-Wrestling II already surpassed No Mercy and that was during N64 lifespan. Also King of Coliseum II is a better game!
@KillerBOB You should never use popularity as a determining factor for anything really. Do you even watch wrestling these days? The standard is leaps and bounds above what came in the 90s, whatever style you're into and that can't be really questioned. The storytelling? That's subjective, the story of Tanahashi vs Okada at WK for example was a multi year story that felt organic and not something you'd see in the 90's.
Is it in the mainstream? Not as much though depends which country you look. And the tens of millions, I would contest that, from what I could see it was approaching 9 mil (on occasion) for a short period of time.
Take into account TV isn't nearly as strong an indicator these days, wrestling throughout the world has never been stronger (until the Chinese coronoavirus hit at least). NJPW sell out the Tokyo Dome, demand for it overseas is increasing which is incredible, AEW are in with great success, AAA and CMLL are still strong as ever, places like Stardom exist and grow every year.
@RustedHero yea me too. The first real sweet wrestling game I played on the N64 was war zone which definitely was inferior to the other games we mentioned. But once world tour came out, my mind was blown. Graphically, I was astonished as an 11yr old. We went at it all night, rumbles, tornado tag matches, championship runs etc. Theyre still fun to play to this day, believe it or not.
Yuke's should have been fired years ago. The online was literally unplayable on the Xbox 360 & Xbox One for a decade.
No need to worry. Kenny Omega said we will get so see gameplay from the upcoming AEW game very soon.
Who knows, maybe the game is getting released before the year is over.
The game engine on those N64 wrestling games was phenomenal.
I really miss it tbh. So much fun knocking people out. Pulling weapons from the crowd. Damn. The memories.
Played No Mercy back in the day, loved it. Never owned it but man, such a fun wrestling game.
In the words of Daniel Bryan... YES! YES!! YES!!!
As much as I'd love to see a No Mercy rerelease(even a Wrestlemania 2000 or WCW/nWo Revenge rerelease would be cool), I imagine it would be licensing hell.
At least we got Retromania Wrestling coming to the Switch for anyone wanting a more old school style wrestling game.
@Tisteg80 considering we have no idea who is developing the AEW game I really do think we could see all this hype and being severely disappointed. Plus any AEW game is gonna need some seriously good CAW mode as that roster line up is not strong enough at all.
Maybe a Switch port of Fire Pro Wrestling World?
@khululy They’re kept out because of poor PR. WWE historically didn’t/don’t really care about the welfare of their performers or their families. There are lots of well documented cases on top of Owen and Benoit. From the steroids use of the 80s right up until the lack of any decent testing for COVID happening now.
@BeautyandtheBeer
A lot of wasted words.
There are less people watching professional wrestling at this point in time than any other time in the past 30+ years.
Whether you want to believe it or not, the amount of people watching wrestling is a direct indicator of how popular it is, and almost nobody is watching it today except for fat bearded geeks who collect FunkoPop and watch anime. Regular people stopped watching it long ago.
If you enjoy it, good for you, but don't delude yourself into believe that wrestling is "better than ever" today 🤡
@kobashi100
I think the developer could very well be Syn Sophia, formerly known as AKI Corporation - the guys that gave us the awesome N64 wrestling classics. It's probably not the same team anymore but a lot of people who know how to do a wrestling game right could still work there or return.
Concerning the roster: Yes, a good wrestling game needs a CAW mode, but I disagree that AEW's roster isn't strong enough. When I think back to WWF No Mercy or Wrestlemania 2000, I can probably name ten guys of each game that truly were "superstars" but the rest were midcarders at best. But what it really comes down to is the gameplay and the fun the game brings and the N64 titles delivered that despite the mediocre roster.
The new head of WWE 2K cited No Mercy as an inspiration for where the series will be headed
@Tisteg80 I mean the roster isn't large enough. For someone who played Virtual Pro-Wrestling 2, then fire pro and KOC I am use to having huge selection of wrestlers. An AEW game with weak CAW probably wouldn't see me buy it. I don't watch the product. I gave it a fair chance but soon as they started doing the silly, wacky stuff like you see in the WWE that was me done with the AEW.
@KillerBOB Less people watching on TV? Yes, more people watching on streaming, apps, worldwide though so you're not looking at it from a global view to support you're flawed view. TV ratings declined in general for everything, you cannot use that as a comparison.
You've not countered anything I've said so I'll take that as you can't.
Oh and nice generalization of wrestling fans, clearly you stopped watching 20 years ago as your views are incredibly outdated. Tells me all I need to know about you.
@Mana_Knight I still have xix and while the 64 wrestling games were my favorite, that game was good fun to. I loved that crazy cage match you’d unlock in revenge mode where you would fight in this cage hanging by a chain over the waters below on some barge ship. The only way you’d win is throwing other players into the water off the side or by throwing them thru the floor to a stock tell, it was so funny!
I’d love to see a no mercy resurrection with help and a cell and maybe at least 6 man matches thrown in.
@zbinks that’d be swell also and I’d say more likely. But dunno why we haven’t gotten that yet.
@Collette really good points! I had never thought of it that way. Maybe some of the trauma he was dealt from years of in ring action could have been avoided with a bit more R&R on the company's part. It's a shame. He definitely had an impact, I know Chris Jericho still remembers him fondly, despite how his life ended.
I loved WCW/NWO Revenge and WWF Warzone because Bret Hitman Hart was in those. Unfortunately, he left WWF right before AKI got the WWF license, so he wasn’t in Wrestlemania 2000 and WWF No Mercy. This two games were great, but Bret Hart’s absence was definitely felt in those games. If they were to ever remake them, I hope he is added to them.
I would in a heartbeat spend $80 on a Wrestling game if it had current rosters and the old school No Mercy mechanics with a fresh coat of paint and maybe some smooth online play as well as a better storyline where Steven Richards isn't the main villain.
No Mercy is easily one of the best fighting games ever made.
Retromania Wrestling comes out soon (no WWE license) and that uses the old WrestleFest game engine from the arcades, so anything is possible. Problem is that WWE probably doesn’t care about bringing back the WWF No Mercy game engine to their games. They probably don’t even remember that it existed. Therefore we will probably have to rely on an independent game studio without the WWE license to bring it back like they did the WrestleFest engine. Hopefully we all haven’t died of old age before that happens.
@BeautyandtheBeer
Less people are watching wrestling now, period. It's not even something the general public cares about anymore, it only appeals to the hardcore internet nerd fanbase. And yes, TV ratings do matter, and AEW (the #2 company) is currently drawing worse ratings for their main show than the worst ratings that WWF and WCW ever got for their B-level programs in the 90s.
Sorry you were born too late and missed out on watching the late-80s to late-90s era of wrestling. Nobody who experienced that time would ever say that wrestling is just as/more popular today than it was then 😂
Yes I agree its easily won of the best fighting games ever made, its without a shadow of a doubt the best wrestling game ever made!
The problem is the rights to the game engine. You have all these indie wrestling marks that think that its just the engine that makes these games.... wrong its The era of wrestling (Monday Night Wars and the late 80's were the most important & successful eras), The engine and most importantly the stars.
If somehow AKI would let you port this exact game then it would sell a million, but only if the game was not messed with.
I will just wait for AEW's game to come out.
How wOnDeRfUl to see an article about WWF No Mercy ! 😄 Thankyou 💪
I heard Yuke’s is currently working on their own non-WWE wrestling game. Would love to see that turn up sometime.
It'd be a dream come true but just like an fzero gx sequel I know this will never happen
FirePro Wrestling is better than No Mercy. That said, No Mercy is a very close second.
The rumour is that some of the people behind th it a game are making an AEW game, that I would like!
Nah. WWF No Mercy probably won't get a remake or re-release. It's a sports game; it would be like re-releasing Madden '99. I know EA did that one year with modern rosters, but a wrestling game is not as easy to modernize like that when they have their own likenesses and looks and not bound to uniforms and helmets. I'm sure that if THQ Nordic were interested than they would need lots of arm-pulling to get it to market & it likely would be more trouble than it's worth.
I heard about talk of an AEW game with AKI getting involved not too long ago. It sounds like it will be an indy game that requires skill to it like Blade Strangers. I watch the first few episodes of AEW but I couldn't get into it after the first few months. The only people in AEW I care about though are Darb Allin and Kris Statlander. Everyone else is either too bland, too outrageously off the wall, or a WWE has-been. They're also extremely disadvantaged without a creative team.
I dont have many N64 games. I just collected all the N64 wrestling games and quit..
The actual 3 greatest wrestlers of all time were
Ox Baker
Abdulla the Butcher
King Kong Bruiser Brody
then Dick the Bruiser and Andre the Giant
and Harley Race and Flair and Gorgeous George
with a nod to Terry Gordy, King Kong Bundy
Early Vince era-
you pick. Mine are Machoman, George the Animal Steel and Ultimate Warrior, Iron Shiek, Hacksaw
Modern era-
I dont watch enough. Kenny Omega? Abdulla the Butcher would make these guys BLEED!
I like WOW nowdays.
Fantastic piece!! The N64 was the greatest wrestling console ever. Why can't someone/anyone use the No Mercy engine to bring a wrestling game over. Today's wrestlers are horrible, so including them doesn't matter. Just give me old school.
Also, where is Fire Pro? PC and PS4, and no Switch.
Man, I miss sports on a Nintendo console.
@BeautyandtheBeer : Haha! I have to respectfully disagree with you. Wrestling is an absolute joke at this stage. It's all a spot fest, with little to no believability.
I just watched Survivor Series 96 a few days ago, and the best match on the card Stone Cold vs Bret Hart was legit. It was rough, a story was told, and it felt real. Even the other matches held up, mainly because of the physicality, and again a story being told.
I think wrestling, in a few years will be done in the States, mainly due to the idiocy of the higher ups ( HHH, Tony Khan, Vince and Stephanie).
@dcamp335 : I made Bret in No Mercy with his mid 80s black outfit, and came close on his 1997 1998 look. His taunting animations were close but not quite there. I easily incorporated his moveset. Only move missing was the figure four around the ring post. Btw, he is my favorite wrestler ever, and I actually met him at an autograph signing 6 years ago. He was so down to earth. Getting a chance to meet my hero was such a great moment. I'll always cherish that.
My friends and I would play WCW vs NWO, WrestleMania 2000, and No Mercy non-stop. But No Mercy was definitely the culmination.
@Grot : WWF attitude was a great follow up too. The button combos were tough but rewarding. You would have loved No Mercy, WCW Revenge, etc. If you have a Wii, you could try to find Day of Reckoning 1 and 2 from gamecube to get a feel for what the THQ games were sort of like.
Would be a day 1 buy for me
If they fix the bug that erases your save file (lost too many belts that way), then I'd buy it.
@nessisonett Not only that but Matt Hardy, Chris Jericho, Dean Malenko, Earl Hebner, Tazz, and Mr. Ass work for AEW now and Ken Shamrock is on Impact so those characters would be removed as well.
@KillerBOB Correct my man! Modern wrestling is total trash!!
Completely with you on this 1!!!
The AKI wrestling games were the best. They had a frame based parry system for both hitting moves and grapples. Western developed wrestling games don't come close to this quality of gameplay.
@Cyberbotv2 He was my favorite as well. I always did the same thing; created Bret Hart in those later WWE games but I was always frustrated by the fact that the developers always intentionally made it impossible to make him perfectly. I’m glad they finally started including him in most WWE games now.
I still have my No Mercy which has the bug that wipes the save after a few games, man that was annoying and didn't know you could send it back for repair, but it was still a great game.
Would consider it if it came around but for some reason I doubt it
I liked WCW vs nWo better based on the characters.
WCW always had a more vibrant cast of characters.
Just wanted to note that here, for those that remember it was the game that No Mercy really was based off of.
But yes, a wrestling game like this would be amazing. Be sure to include the tag team moves.
And as other posters have said, a Wrestlefest game would be equally appreciated and well received.
These new wrestling games are so god awful. All of them. The new one coming may be the worst of all.
@TimboSlice
Looking back on WCW/nWo Revenge, that game likely had the greatest roster in a wrestling game ever (that only featured current wrestlers).
@Brad_Hogan virtual Pro-Wrestling 2 and KOC II say hello.
@Cyberbotv2 you mean American pro-wrestling. Before lockdown I was watching great stuff in new japan and Noah.
@scully1888 yeah The Bond license was an issue, Nintendo had the money but we're not interested. I think they based the potential sales off their own N64 titles already released, which is why so few actually made it. It took money and work to create. Rare and Yukes (aki) had done most of the work already (THQ still had the wrestling license so that wasn't an issue)so the principle barrier was unfortunately Nintendo themselves. Still stands that No Mercy would have sold well on Wii, and to not realise that is "idiotic".
@Bunkerneath yeah I had that cartridge too! Was super frustrating, and i had to wait a few weeks for the second run of cartridges to come in stock. As I recall GAME initially didn't want to honour a refund/exchange and we were furious, but a few days later they apologised and told us the whole first batch had a fault. "Phew"
@FargusPelagius I'm sorry but a lot of that just isn't true. Nintendo has nothing to do with it when it comes to third-party publishers securing licences.
EA had the Bond licence then it went to Activision (hence the GoldenEye remake on Wii): if the N64 GoldenEye was to come back Activision would have had to sort it out with Rare (i.e. Microsoft).
Meanwhile, THQ had the WWE licence, and that then moved on to 2K. If they wanted to bring back No Mercy, it would be up to 2K to figure out how to make that happen.
Nintendo doesn't really have a say in making third-party licences happen: publishers bring their games to Nintendo and Nintendo helps release them physically or digitally, that's about it.
Wrong; its time for Monster Truck Madness 64 to get a re-release. Perhaps with online play.
Too bad Twisted Metal won't come to nintendo.
No Mercy was the last wrestling game I ever played. My friends and I used to have a ball playing it, even though I'm not a wrestling fan, because it had my favorite feature--the ability to create your own wrestler, including females. I created a female striker type who had mostly kicks, knees and quicker moves that angered my friends so much they started setting 'house rules' that we could only play as 'real' wrestlers. And that's when I was done with that. The wrestling games that came after didn't interest me in the slightest because they couldn't compare to No Mercy's system.
A resurrection of the title might just draw me back into wrestling games. Heck, I don't even need it to be WWE related...it can just be any wrestling game with that level of customization.
@scully1888 what are you talking about? I was replying to the fact they had No Mercy ready to go for Wii, when THQ was still in business with the WWE license around 2008. Today, yes 2K would have to approve and any release would likely be a remaster using the No Mercy name. Either way it has enough of a following to work, and many fans would welcome it.
The Bond license could actually be renegotiated on a separate case basis, as it was with both Goldeneye and Tomorrow Never Dies. That unfortunately is what stops Nintendo rereleasing Goldeneye. I am guessing when it is brought up, it is too much of an investment for them to risk on a single game. But consider if Nintendo ever released N64 mini? Surely they'd try to deal for Goldeneye and Perfect Dark as they were defining games for the system. Nintendo are currently on better terms with MS, so the timing is actually better this time round (during the Wii, MS were competing directly with kinect as their casual hardware entry so were less likely to collaborate, despite Rare going ahead and rebuilding Goldeneye). Nothing has been done with the Bond license in video games since Legends (2012), so again any game can be negotiated on a case by case basis. Those negotiations can be initiated by Nintendo, because they are a publisher of video games. It is on them whether they invest.
I agree 100% with this.
The greatest multiplayer N64 game.
This is lovely, but also a pipe dream. On the brighter side, Yuke's did say they wanna start fresh and design a new kind of wrestling game because the annual demand for a WWE game was affecting their quality. I hope we're not far off of a brand new Yuke's wrestling game, even if it's a fiction brand. Just give us a proper wrestling game on the switch!
Just give us WWE Day of Reckoning 3 and problem solved.
Hmm, what happened to the WWE 2K franchise is interesting to learn, but also lamentable I guess...
But after reading your article, I came to the conclusion that your idea sounded incredible.
In fact, I think we can make this even more ambitious. Like how many are suggesting, what if we instead got a full remake of this game?
I was also imagining of ditching the yearly entries in favor of updates, but since I'm not completely aware of how these annual releases work, maybe that sounds too crazy.
"#FixWWE2K20", remember that? It shows how people care for the series (and probably to show how funny these glitches can be!), if you could get something like "#BringBackNoMercy" on, who knows, keeping in mind they listen more to what you wish nowadays, this dream could become our reality.
@kobashi100 Hahaha all the N64 games that use that engine are fantastic! Leagues ahead of everything else thats been released since them (1 exception is HCTP) but thats my opinion anyway!
@Brad_Hogan you never played king of Coliseum II then.
Hahaha I am a Fuginami fan, But No I didn't like that 1 either!
@gb_nes_gamer I'm 100% with you. If this game would ever be re-released it should be the same roster WWE of the last decade has sucked, thats why the fans have left!
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