Tomorrow sees the grand launch of Pokémon Sword and Shield's first slice of DLC, The Isle of Armor, and with new trailers and gorgeous new art being released, it's no wonder that fans are starting to pre-order the Expansion Pass ready for the big day.
Unfortunately, Nintendo has revealed that it has been receiving inquiries from players who have picked up the wrong DLC expansion. You see, if you own Pokémon Sword, you'll need to buy the Pokémon Sword Expansion Pass; if you own Shield, you'll need the Pokémon Shield Expansion Pass.
Nintendo's customer support team has said that people owning Pokémon Shield have bought the Sword version Expansion Pass, for example, asking future buyers to be careful when selecting which version they need. As a handy tip, Nintendo notes that the safest way to grab the correct expansion is to purchase it through your game itself. If you haven't already bought it, your in-game menu should look something like this:
If you choose to buy the Expansion directly from the eShop instead, you're asked which version you'd like to buy at the point of purchase.
As for why the DLC needs to be split into two versions? Just like the main games themselves, each version of the Expansion Pass will feature version-exclusive Pokémon and characters. They're technically separate products as a result, as frustrating as that may be.
So, if you're thinking about buying the Sword and Shield Expansion Pass, please make sure you grab the right one!
[source twitter.com]
Comments (140)
Life would be easier if they just made 1 DLC for both games, but instead they did this... because money.
Why didn't they made the expansion pass to be just ONE? Why so greedy?
The content is almost if NOT identical.
Not like Nintendo to make something needlessly complicated.
Oh no, hang on... it is completely like Nintendo to make something needlessly complicated. My bad.
They're both the wrong DLC.
Yeah they should have just made one Season Pass
But also, how hard can it be to purchase the right DLC?
Well that's just poor planning there Nintendo! Disappointed
@gcunit Needlessly complicated? Matching the word Sword with Sword? If that's complicated, I question how these people managed to turn the switch on in the first place, or even put socks on their feet instead of their hands.
For the next games, what if they released one game instead, but you got to pick a legendary at the beginning of the game and based on that you would get exclusive Pokemon. None of this would be an issue. It's like how in
Ruby and SapphireEmerald the game asks you whether you saw a blue (Latias) or red (Latios) Pokemon on TV, and based on that you'd get the respective legendary. Saves a lot of hassle I think.@Rob151 Poor planning? Trying to milk buyers of both versions for two DLC-purchases, more like.
I can let a lot slide with regards to SwSh and the way GF and Nintendo handled it, but selling two versions of the DLC when (As far as we know now) differences are minor does have that feeling of cash-grabbing about it.
@gcunit Sad, but most times true. I can sort of live with the separate versions of the main game (though that's also just a relic from the past), but having the DLC be split in the same way is quite silly.
In Nintendo's defence, they don't have much say in the Pokemon franchise afaik.
@Octane that was only in Pokémon Emerald, in Ruby you always got Latios and in Sapphire always Latias (and to get both in any of the 3 games you needed a Eon Ticket)
But in same Emerald you could get both Groundon and Kyogre so that's a win.
@Rayquaza2510 My bad, didn't know that was Emerald-only. Anyway, then they should do it like Emerald did.
This is why you sometimes need to have product titles that spell out for the consumer how you use that product.
"Super Smash Bros for Nintendo 3DS" and "Super Smash Bros for Wii U" come to mind.
A lot of people are probably making an assumption that "the sword expansion pass is the companion to the shield game", because a sword accompanies a shield or vice versa.
This was just bad decision making on Nintendo and TPCi's part, it should have been a single expansion pass that works for both games, or alternatively, an expansion pass that works for either version of the game if you're going to distinguish them anyway.
No sympathy for people who can't take the time to read what they are buying.
@MysticX Yeah I agree with you there. But also the fact that they now have to go out of their way to "correct" people and have to deal with all the complaints is kinda planning
Everyone: BOO NINTENDO, youre too blame for all of this.
Me:......but Gamefreaks the one who made the game, its dlc, and made it 2 entirely seperate dlc packs. Nintendo had nothin....
Everyone: BOO NINTENDO!!!
Tbh this just sounds like a way to make more money. So even if a user owned both games, they'd need to essentially buy the DLC twice to get the exclusives in both.
@mariomaster96 Would agree with you if it wasn't for the fact that these are games targeted for kids.
@Rob151 how is it Nintendos fault that people cant read??
Yes, it should have been just one DLC for both games. Though, it clearly tells you which game is required for the DLC so they have nobody to blame other than themselves for buying the wrong DLC. The trend of customers blindly buying products without doing any research needs to stop
Both games should have been on the same cart in the first place.
@patbacknitro18 Nintendo is the publisher. So they're partly responsible for anything they publish. They could for example refuse to publish something if it isn't up to their standards.
@Octane but than people won’t pay for both games.... and both dlc
I respect the new idea for a Pokemon DLC, but they should've just made another game and shoehorn in the dlc. Although, they would have to get some normal ingame stuff and delete it to make room for the dlc
I am going to wait and see what the DLC offers in gameplay/story before I buy it. I have a friend who will give me a full run down on if it is worth it. I find it infuriating that there is no info on how much story it will add.
Either way I spent 600+ hours on Sword and enjoyed that.
@Darkyoshi98 Basic product design and marketing. An item needs to be clearly marked and distinguished from another otherwise people will just pick up the wrong item. This should never have been an issue.
Wii U vs. Wii
3DS vs. new 3DS
Switch Lite that doesn't actually "switch"
Gotta love Nintendo's marketing team!
No reason they couldn't combine these into a mixed DLC and just apply the right variant based on the game you're playing. Just the fact that they made this separate feels scummy to me honestly but whatever. I didn't buy the game so what do I know?
You can just add this to the long list of issues with this dead game...
Feels bad for those who bothered with this rip off.
We should have expected it and if anyone didn't then that's your own fault. These guy's have been making watt to many miss steps lately.
@TrueAssassin86x that is true, even as a Pokémon fan I found it dumb they make 2 essentially same games but with some Pokémon being exclusive to one of the 2 games.
But then Pokémon Diamond & Pearl came with online trading and I never looked back at that issue, I could always get them all with 1 game since then.
This stupid move of 2 separate DLC was to be expected, I even made jokes about it when Sun&Moon came out that if Pokémon games will ever get DLC, I bet they make them separate just like the games.
I nearly bought the wrong pass myself. Its been months since I played Sword, and my brother owns Shield. I kept on talking with him about Shield so when I went to buy the pass I had to stop and check my box to see what version I had.
Obviously if I didn't check, I'd have been an idiot but I certainly can see how easy it is to get confused. Especially if purchasing on the behalf of someone else. Nintendo should have locked the purchase through the game itself alone as a solution or have an extra page of warning at the time of purchase (rather than just bold text on the store page)
@Yosher Obviously, they wanted people that bought both sword and shield to also buy both expansion packs. $$$
I have Pokemon Shield. When I load up the eshop, the Pokemon Sword expansion pass appears on the 'discover' page.
It would be quite generous I think to not consider this deliberate.
It should be just one dlc and one game, but they like splitting things up because they know fans will buy anything with Pokemon on it.
Seems like User error to me
I bought both versions, since I also have both games.. So this doesn't affect me.
Also Pokémon has always been multiple games..
So what is the difference of Expansion Pass for Sword and Shield ?
I thought Isle of Armor was for Sword and Isle of Tundra was for Shield.
The version-splitting needs to die already. Full stop.
Imagine buying Pokemon sword and then going online to buy dlc for Shield.
Do people not know how to read
@Anti-Matter The DLC is in two parts, “Isle of armour” and the “Crown tundra” one, both versions will have the two parts of DLC, the differences seem to be certain available pokemon and a different trainer or two, so about as different as Sword and Shield were, really.
Still doesn’t quite explain why there have to be two versions of the DLC though, since the data is pretty much the same (All pokemon for both versions have to be in there, for compatibility and trading)
So $60 for Sword, $30 for Sword DLC, $60 for Shield, $30 for Shield DLC, for a total of $180 if you want to play it all?
Guess they wanted to 1-Up SSBU $60 + $25 dlc + $30 DLC = $115.
Anybody else here old enough to remember when Sakurai called DLC a scam? I know @Yorumi is.
"These days, the "DLC scam" has become quite the epidemic, charging customers extra money to complete what was essentially an unfinished product. I completely understand how aggravated players must feel. After all, a game should be 100% at the time of release, and I would be livid if it were split up and sold in pieces."
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2015/04/masahiro_sakurai_shares_his_positive_feelings_on_producing_authentic_super_smash_bros_dlc_with_a_smaller_team
Not sure why people here in the comments are defending the idiots who are buying the wrong expansion pass. If you have Sword, you buy the Sword pass. Duh!
seriously did not one person in Nintendo say wait this might be an issue. why not one expansion pass covers both sides. seriously are they that broke they need nickle dime every penny.
@rjejr The keyword there is 'unfinished'. Smash Bros. Ultimate is already very much a complete game without the DLC, and that DLC is merely an added bonus for the fans. He even goes on to explain his feelings further on this in that article you posted. There is a major difference between content being taken out of the main game to be sold seperately as DLC, and content being created specifically for being DLC after the game has already launched.
@Razer
What's your definition of a "dead game"?
@gcunit Dont be so flippantly disingenuous. No-one needs to pay for 'both' games and both 'DLC packs to "play them all". You can buy one game and trade with others to get the Pokemon from the others, or buy ONE game and ONE dlc pack, and trade for the others.
That's kind of the point. You're supposed to trade to get them all. Where have you been for the past 2 decades plus.
Why would you want to play them all? Are you that in to seeing the text differences where one says "sword" and the other says "shield"?
@popey1980 Exactly. People can have their opinion on what they think of the fact you have to buy two separate things of DLC, but it clearly says what version you're buying on the EShop front and center.
People can't stop and think "Hmmm, I own Sword, so I should download the Sword expansion?"
We really have gotten stupid as a species, which given the state of the world..... yeah I can believe it.
you are kidding me right? seriously there are two different versions of the dlc that mean if you buy the wrong one you can't play it? totally bonkers stuff from Gamefreak again
man people are stupid
Gamefreak is the main one to blame here. They're absolutely greedy and lazy.
And even though it's not that hard to buy the right dlc, I can totally see that people misclick and accidentally buy the wrong one for themselves or for their kids. Especially parents who don't have any idea.
@EVIL-C Seriously! This is quite pathetic!
@Onkel_Laser There is no excuse for stupidity. How do you "accidentally" pick Shield instead of Sword, or vice versa, and then confirm the purchase? People are just plain stupid. Don't put the blame on Gamefreak. People would be complaining if they released two new "Ultra" versions with the DLC too. No one can just be satisfied.
So when you purchase from the eshop you are presented with two options,
Option 1, to buy the expansion pass for pokemon sword
Option 2, to buy the expansion pass for pokemon shield
So how are people still buying the wrong version?
Blame nintendo all you like but this is down to lack of intelligence and observation
@HXLXIII
Dude, stop defending Gamefreak. Parents don't care for that *****. If a 9-year old chooses to pick up the wrong game and let the parents only see the buy-button, it's pretty easy to make a mistake. Just make one DLC. Greedy company.
@Yosher "The keyword there is 'unfinished'."
And do you know how to release a finished game without DLC?
I'll give you a sec...
Finish it before you release it. You know, there's a reason finished games are called "Complete" when they are sold complete, and they aren't called "complete game plus all the DLC". They are simply called "complete", b/c that's when they are finished. They completed finishing the game. Anything else is just spin.
I'll help you out. In the future, if you ever buy a game like The Witcher 3, HZD, Far Cry 4, Bionic Infinite - the list goes on - and it says "Complete edition" on the box, but it doesn't include the DLC, return it and get your money back, it's neither complete nor finished.
If you have to ask your customers to "be careful" when buying your own product, then you've screwed up.
@gcunit whilst i agree 1 DLC would have just been easier, its not exactly hard is it. i have no sympathy for the people buying the wrong expansion.
@Onkel_Laser Would you sign a contract without reading it first? Unless you're a complete fool, I doubt it.
This is a clear example of certain people just not reading and paying attention to instructions. Simple as that.
@EVIL-C
Dude, KISS-principle. Keep it simple stupid. If you're allowing for errors to happen, it's your fault. It's obviously not hard to buy the right one, but that's not the point here.
@Onkel_Laser im sorry, but if people are stupid enough to get the wrong version then they shouldnt be allowed refunds etc. its not a hard concept is it? you have pokemon shield, so you get the shield expansion. easy. gamefreak have a lot to answer for with their half arsed attempts, but this isnt their fault here
Is it so hard for people to READ what they're buying? Really?
You don't have to read a huge doctoral thesis. All you freaking have to do is see whether it says Sword or Shield on the thumbnail/title for the DLC.
This says a lot about people's reading skills. A lot of bad things.
Anyway, hyped for the DLC. Bought it a while ago for Shield, hope it goes live tonight.
@Crimson_Ridley Don't blame people for what is clearly another Nintendo oversight. Granted I would probably download the correct version but there are a lot of kids who play pokemon games and when they get their parents to buy them something like this, the parent probably doesn't know any better.
It's just classic Nintendo making something more complicated than it needs to be.
Ruh roh! I had no idea this was a thing. Hopefully I picked the right one.
Edit: I picked the right one! This means I'm not people who can't: turn the switch on in the first place, or even put socks on their feet instead of their hands, do not make assumptions, no one has sympathy for me, don't take time to read, no one to blame but myslef, blindly buying without research, been an idiot, buy anything with Pokemon on it, a user error, still not know how to read, an idiot, stupid, plain stupid, lack of intelligence and observation, finding things hard, read a huge doctoral thesis, a kid, a parent, walk on their own feet instead of being carried through life, not paying attention, a grandparent, stupid people will be stupid, rare common sense, my parent faults, don't bother reading fine print, a no brainer, don't double check, blaming Nintendo, can't read and it's hilarious.
So bit of a relief really.
@Onkel_Laser I've always been a firm believer in KISS. I'm also in favour of reading instructions.
@Razer
Woah! Dead game, wow. You should get your facts right really as you just make yourself look foolish.
Just because you don't like it, it does not make a game dead, an I say this because I've seen you comment before on a game you don't like to slate.
@MrMetroid Then the parent should check what game they have. If the child said their Call of Duty game was called Battlefield and the parent bought a Battlefield pass, would that be on the company to sort it out? No, that would be user error. This is not an oversight, the pass is clearly labelled for which game it is intended for.
You can blame Nintendo all you want, but people need to learn to walk on their own feet instead of being carried through life.
@rjejr
This guy lmao.
This freaking guy seriously looks at a game with 74 characters and says "DlC sCaM ePiDeMiC! iT's NoT cOmPlEtE!"
It's completely possible to release a full game, and then add even more paid content to it, you absolute chudder. Or do you whine about sequels too?
@RupeeClock or it could be a parent, not knowing or paying attention.. ... I always thought this might happen with parents or grandparents with the WiiU vs. Wii.
I didn't realize you could buy DLC for a game you don't own...
Sorry but I have no sympathy and they shouldn't get a refund. How hard is to frigging god damn read? READ BEFORE YOU BUY for crying out loud. That is very very basic common sense!
If they can't read very simple plain english then god almighty how are they managing to get through life at all.
They SURELY can implement a dependency check between apps in the store, come ON
@Onkel_Laser I am a parent, and if i was letting my hypotherical 9 year old child (my oldest is only 1 and a half) buy DLC for a game, I'd make sure it was the right one, and I'd be the one making the purchase in the first place. That might be a defense in like the 90's with a generation that didnt grow up with technology, but no excuse in this day and age. Stupid people will be stupid. This isn't about defending GAMEFREAK.
@DonkeyDiddyKong I don't know if you've noticed...but sadly common sense is pretty damn rare nowadays. You'd have better luck finding a perfect IV, Hidden Ability shiny Wooloo in the wild within the first 15 minutes of starting a new game.
@Heavyarms55 I have AC:Rogue downloaded, but i don't own the Rebel collection...yet. Granted it's not paid DLC, but same kinda thing i guess.
@rjejr The Witcher 3 is actually called GOTY version on PS4, X1 and PC at least. Also you must be one entitled person if you think the base game of The Witcher 3 isn't a complete game, those two expansions were that expansions in that they expanded the world and characters of the game.
Also got to laugh as i bet you're the type of person who champions Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, Platinum and Ultra Sun and Moon what are for more a rip off then a $30 expansion.
@rjejr If you look at it that way then every single paid DLC ever produced is evil and if you ask me that's just not the right way to look at it. They have deadlines to meet and if you would want them to include all the DLC into the main game then games would have to be postponed for who knows how long.
@MrMetroid That is the parents fault then. Plain and simple.
That’s pretty silly!
Granted I did double and triple check when I was buying the various eShop codes for my family and I.
Nintendo should do the right thing here and give refunds. They should change their entire refund policy for the eShop because its simply inadequate and anti-consumer and they should be called out on it.
While it's kinda a silly error, that's a blind spot on Nintendo's eShop
They could simply block DLC for software you don't own, it doesn't make sense to allow the purchase in the first place
Maybe they will change this behavior on an update
@Crimson_Ridley
They probably read Pokemon DLC and think: "Yes, my child owns a Pokemon game, that makes sense!"
Oh well I did buy both expansion for each game now I have to update to see if they updated....
@TheFullAndy a game you can beat using one Pokémon for the entire thing with 2 moves, not fainting once = dead game.
Sure you have the option to get more than that but you don't need more than that.
A game that gives you no incentive to progress is a dead game.
I know more people who regret this purchase than any other game on the Switch and I can see why too.
It's a dead game. Has no life, no character, no energy... no challenge... It's just... Dead.
Edit: to be fair the franchise was going down this path with X and Y. This is just the culmination of that.
@Razer dead game yeah right where you getting your facts from a magic 8 ball.
@playstation_king their blaming the wrong company its gamefreak that should be taken the heat from this not nintendo.
@Onkel_Laser you cant deny some people dont bother reading the fine prnt before they click the buy button so its partially their fault too.
@RiasGremory it's not a fact, it's an opinion.
It has no challenge
It's short
The flimsy story is the worst in the series
Shared xp
It feels like a rip off.
The company behind it are riddled with corporate greed.
Actually Let's go Evee and Pikachu were much better.
@RiasGremory you can complete this game with one Pokémon... Lol
@Razer
Alright, thats your opinion of the games then fair enough.
Personally I don't play Pokemon games as they always seemed aimed towards kids (no offence intended to anyone just my impression) but I wouldn't call these games dead as they are still selling millions and clearly lots of people are buying, or trying to buy, the DLC.
I trust Nintendo is refunding players who've ordered the wrong DLC. Aside from being slightly unintuitive, selecting the correct DLC should be a no-brainer.
@HXLXIII please do not use profanity. Censoring it by changing some characters is not acceptable either.
@Heavyarms55 @NullPointerExcep as far as the eshop is concerned, you only own your digital games. It doesn’t really know or care what physical games are in your collection. So that would be a bit hard to implement, I guess.
Sounds like the Fire Emblem Fates situation all over again.
I find this incredible that it's happened. I haven't ordered it yet so I checked on the website. It's just one version (a code you redeem on the console shop). Presumably you'll need to select the version then too. Why is it not detecting which version you have on your account (if you have just a single version that is)? Why even split the versions and just have one download that works out the end content when it gets installed?
.....So people don't pick the right option and also don't double check to make sure it's the correct one?? This seems like a user error for the most part, even if you can argue that they could make the eShop page more clear. Of course, people will blame Nintendo over this because they already have a bone to pick with Nintendo and/or this game.
@Onion
It's really not though. The worst you could do in Fates was not get the discount if you decided to ignore all the stuff telling you to make your purchase in-game. Well, you'd lose out on a few bonus items too but w/e.
Here you've just bought an entirely useless purchase for something that has no business being split in the first place.
@Razer So i take it that you're not a fan? Good for you bub, want a gold star? It's pretty obvious many more people have the exact opposite opinion than you. Get off the comment thread if you're not a fan and ** off.
People on here arguing about whether or not the game should've had DLC is not the issue here
The issue is people can't read and it's hilarious that this mistake keeps happening.
@HXLXIII I'm a big fan of the series but not this dead game. But this is my opinion, if you like it then go ahead and knock yourself out.
Last I checked I live in a free country, so I'll put my opinion wherever I want.
If you have a problem with that then you should cry me a river little man, I need salt from your tears 😂.
@TheFullAndy I do like the series but this games a joke, it's just so easy. Shared exp takes away all of the challenge.
I mean yeah it's sold a lot but if Nintendo had a proper refund policy then we might have seen different sales figures.
But it's nearly impossible to return Nintendo games you've tried and didn't like. I would be interested to see sales figures if Nintendo had a proper return policy.
But I think they know this too hence why we haven't got a proper return policy.
Couldnt they just program the DLC to detect which version of the game you are playing, then it can adjust the exclusive characters and pokemon that appear accordingly?
@Razer
Sales figures would never include refunds anyway just the initial sale so they wouldn't change.
There has to be a fair balance so refunds are fair to customers but also game devs. For example someone shouldn't be able to play a game for 10 hours then expect their money back, developers would fold here, there and everywhere.
Also for the big Nintendo games, refunds would be a fraction of a percent.
@Razer,
The Pokemon games have been releasing two versions of their mainline entries for ages now, and it's not the developers fault if people do not read the descriptions on the DLC packs.
Your dead game comment seems to just want to cause trouble imho.
@Razer,
Still clinging to the old "It's sold well, but that does not mean everyone is happy" argument, I see.
@EVIL-C,
Welcome to the modern world, where nothing is anybody's fault anymore.
@Eel oops that's true
I had in mind that some publishers gave discounts on the eshop based on games you already owned, but I don't know how that works for physical ones
Maybe Nintendo didn't want to force people to register their physical games, so they let DLCs open for purchase instead
Interesting 🤔
I got both so I will buy both anyways.
@Eel I guess that makes sense. I've never tried to buy DLC for a physical game that I don't have save data for, so I just assumed it worked like that.
It's confirmed, Pokemon players don't know how to match shapes. I'm confused on how some people are saying this is Game Freak or Nintendo's fault? Like, take the 5 seconds and LOOK at the screen. It shouldn't be that hard. And also, this is the second time they've put out a warning to everyone, while even putting a link to the correct dlc in-game for those who are interested.
Stupid question, if you download the dlc, all profiles can play it right?
killed the sacred cow but quadrupled down on multiple versions
@Crimson_Ridley On the one hand it's kind of lousy that they made the DLC into two separate packages in the first place and it should probably not allow you to buy the DLC unless you have data for the corresponding game, though it's not nearly as greedy as people seem to think because most players aren't buying both games for themselves anyway (and if they are, that's on them), but as you say... It's hard to imagine so many people struggling to buy the correct DLC.
How hard is it to know which game you currently own in your system?
Ahah it seems like Pokemon Sword & Shield buyers are so smart...
This could all be avoided with a less greedy system, where you instantly get sent to the official page and the shop detects whats your version, or simply one pack fits all solution... Nintendo always doing wrong whatever others have done right for decades.
@Deltath
You would be amazed how many most ppl who buy these are parents that don't know the difference between pomemon go, sword and pokemon stadium. they're just buying wht their kids ask "by me pokemon pass plz". Most don't even know that the same game as 2 diferent versions.
Why can you buy DLC for a game you don't own in the first place? Usual Nintendo.
If you buy a downloadcode (not in the eshop) then the eshop ask you for wich version you want to activate the pass.
@AndreaF96
Only an idiot would tar an entire fanbase with the same brush.
@TheFullAndy So you are saying they are not smart?
@AndreaF96
I am saying you are an idiot.
@TheFullAndy You don't get a joke and I'm the idiot?
@AndreaF96
I got your "joke" where you used sarcasm implying all sword and shield players were not smart because a few of them bought the wrong DLC.
Hint for next time: Jokes are meant to be funny.
@TheFullAndy According to Cambridge dictionary: sarcasm ->
"remarks that mean the opposite of what they say, made to criticize someone or something in a way that is amusing to others but annoying to the person criticized". I guess the definition is right...
EDIT: Moreover, did you know that you can make a joke without actually believing the joke?
@AndreaF96
Bad luck bud I have never bought or played a Pokemon game in my life.
@TheFullAndy that means that the joke is even more effective than I thought it would be
EDIT: try Ultra Sun or Ultra Moon. They are, IMHO, the best pokemon games out there.
EDIT2: I have finished Pokémon Sword too but it's not as good as USUM. Mainly because its lack of post game content and because it lacks half of pokemon.
@AndreaF96
Pokemon games are for kids so no ta.
Edit: Not judging those who like the games but my impression is they are very much games made for kids and marketed for kids, and based on all the crying over these games this past year, some of the fan base act like kids.
@TheFullAndy ahah now you are trying to troll me I guess. If you are not then you are "taring an entire fanbase with the same brush".
@AndreaF96
I am not tarring an entire fan base as I said the games were for kids not that the fanbase were all kids.
@TheFullAndy You are, because you are implying that adults should not buy kids games for themselves. Most nintendo games are kids games. You may very well dislike pokemon games, but saying that you don't like them because they are kids games is, well, strange in a Nintendo "fan" site.
@AndreaF96
No most Nintendo games are designed for everyone but Pokemon games more than any other seem aimed towards the younger audience which is probably why the games haven't really evolved in decades, that is what the main complaint has been has it not?
@TheFullAndy not by me. My complaint about SWSH has been that it is just an half game made just to grab money with the least effort possible. And the fact that they removed pokemon to be able to then add them as a separate dlc proves that. But I don't want to start that discussion all over again. I respect your opinion anyway.
P.S.: I did not buy SWSH, I borrowed it from a friend.
@Yorumi I haven't played Pokemon S&S but my son the Pokemon fan did and he finished rather quickly w/ seemingly nothing to go back to. When I saw the trailer for the expansion pass even I was like - oh look, it's all the stuff that should have been in the game. My son isn't buying the DLC, he's done.
You are correct about the confusion, too many things simply called DLC - free, cheap, season passes, updates, patches. Hardly any game is shipped complete anymore. Really none. But there's adding stuff to the game, then there is fleshing out the game. Pokemon S&S really seemed limited, this seems like a game.
@Yosher "games would have to be postponed for who knows how long"
As long as Pikmin 4 maybe, which was nearly complete 4 years ago.
I'm ok w/ after the fact patches and updates. And even some games like Spaltoon 2. And what they have in common is they are free additions. Not counting the Spaltoon 2 $20 DLC which was almost a spin-off game. But $60 games should not have $20, $25, $30 passes. Zelda Breath of the Wild could have given everyone that green line on the map. You shouldn't need to pay $20 just to see where you've been. And the Pokemon S&S games were very limited, this looks more like the meat of the game than the actual game. And SSBU was $60 for 60 characters and 100 levels, now it's another $55 for 11 more characters and levels. That's a bit much. Plus people have to pay to play it online. And they sell amiibo for $15.99. That's called "milking it". As much as Nintneod is charging for the extra SSBU DLC characters they could have made the game free-to-start.
@WallyWest "The Witcher 3 is actually called GOTY version on PS4, X1 and PC at least."
You were saying?



@BLD ""DlC sCaM ePiDeMiC! iT's NoT cOmPlEtE!""
You actually typed that out and expect people to take you seriously? smh
@rjejr Here in the UK its called GOTY Version or at the very least it was when it originally came out, i even have a copy lying around. Either way my point still stands and yours doesn't.
@rjejr
The utter lack of self-awareness in this one is astonishing. "Epidemic", "scam" - those were YOUR words, you big lub.
Jesus, did it really take you all day to come up with that terrible attempt at avoiding having to actually answer for what you said?
Having two versions was always bad for the consumer. I get that they make more money but holy crap what a bag of nonsense. As a parent who bought their kids Pokemon we ended up buying both versions anyhow, and I understood the trading aspect of it. BUT, eventually we grow up and you have to decide which one to get or you are a parent trying to figure out which damn version your kid has etc and this becomes a nightmare. Pokemon has made billions but I'll always argue it is the biggest ruse any company has come up with since the upgrading of our phones (actually it predates that even lol)
This reminds me of when Black 2 and White 2 came out and people thought you had to buy the opposite colour version to what you had (Black 1 and White 1). I can understand that logic because people might think the opposite version pass "completes" their game by having the 2 different versions as 2 halves of the same game.
This happened to my son, and Nintendo 'Support' have been terrible. In 21 days they restarted the support process three times and were ultimately still unable to help.
The solution? He's moving onto a Proper Console and won't be shopping with Nintendo again.
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