The 2019 version of Samurai Shodown has become something of a hit, offering fans a solid reboot of the classic fighter while serving as the perfect jumping-on point for newcomers. It's also been supported by some post-launch DLC characters, the latest of which has caused quite a stir online.
Newly-released character Iroha is pretty typical of an SNK-designed fighter – heck, she's pretty typical of a female fighting game character full stop. She's got a massive chest and shapely bottom, and, upon her introduction in Samurai Shodown VI, was apparently designed to be 'mostly nude' – one of her specials actually has her performing a suplex in the buff. Nobuyuki Kuroki – the director of the 2019 reboot – has commented that he was against her inclusion to the starting roster of the game as he felt it would be at odds with its atmosphere – which gives you some indication of how sexed-up this particular character is, even by SNK's standards.
When the DLC dropped, SNK's official Samurai Shodown Twitter account wasted absolutely no time whatsoever in pushing the saucier elements of the character. As reported by Kotaku, the account started retweeting screens taken from Iroha's reveal trailer, most of which focused on 'physical assets' than her fighting skills. This stream of cheesecake culminated in the comment “We all horny on main tonight" from the official Samurai Shodown account.
While a great many Samurai Shodown fans no doubt appreciated the sentiment – this is the company which gave the world Mai Shiranui, after all – some of the game's followers expressed their concern that such tweets made them feel uncomfortable:
By Monday morning, it was all over. The tweets had been expunged from the account's timeline and were replaced by an apology:
Given the ratio of male to female players in the fighting game arena, it shouldn't come as a massive shock to learn that the reaction to this self-censorship has been overwhelmingly negative, and has triggered a flood of insults aimed at those whose complaints led to it. Predictably, many have taken to social media to express their outrage at the fact that the tweets have been removed and that an apology has been issued.
Kotaku reports that it has approached SNK for comment, but the company has so far not responded.
When your own PR department is already behaving like the type of overenthusiastic fan nobody likes to be around.
Lol, gotta love identity politics. The New Pearl Clutchers need to get a life. And I say that as someone who won't touch a game with sexualized characters (that kind of stuff seems pretty puerile to me) unless it's called Bayonetta.
But just because I find it silly, it doesn't mean that I'll try to cancel something.
I stopped reading after Kotaku names was mentioned...
if you want to be activists do that, don't pretend to be gaming journalists.
Good on them for deleting the tweets, anyway. It's better than nothing.
Without seeing the actual tweets it’s hard to come to a conclusion. However, if all they posted were suggestive photos of their suggestive character addition, isn’t that just modern day marketing? I have ads on this site right now that are crotch shots of women modeling skimpy bikinis.
Social media is cancer. Twitter is especially bad.
If you think otherwise or think you can change that, you're just setting yourself up for depression.
Can't judge without original tweets for context. Based on that trailer, whilst character is sexualised, I don't think it is the worst I've come across. Not saying that it isn't over the top or the fact that worse is available makes this right. But... I don't know, this seems a bit out of proportion for me (both the situation and the characters/jk).
The community seems concerningly thirsty. I thought for myself that those tweets were kinde cringy. Nothing of worth was lost by removing them.
These guys should talk to Hideki Naganuma about being horny on main
The comments defending the guy? This isn't even about political correctness, it's about being professional in your job. And talking about how horny you are over a fictional woman just ain't a way to you know, do your job to market the game. I'm so put off by how political this website is getting.
@Rika_Yoshitake No doubt, that entire organization is nothing but liberal hacks. Left all those blogs behind a few years back.
Love how this site publishes this article and then thinks it will post a handy YouTube link to watch the character perform the suppler in the nude - just in case, you know, the point needed illustrating,
Sad losers, just use the internet for alternative means of getting off rather than a bunch of polygons if you are that desperate
Or go outside and meet a real life person (when safe to do so obviously)
Edit: On second thoughts, having read some more comments, probably best some of you don't try to meet real life people.
Wonder if Sony is gonna censor this too. They censor everything. Wish they were like Nintendo, Nintendo is the best.
I'm just so confused how people can be perfectly ok with the costumes of these characters but then be offended by these comments.
@Rika_Yoshitake : so much of kotaku's stuff has a political spin on it. I bookmarked one of their writers Ethan Gach because he just reports topics without adding his own agenda.
So many of these sites have a slant now, like polygon, the verge, etc. I'm glad I still have a gameinformer subscription.
Iroha is going to have some serious back issues when she get's older.
While I do agree the PC in our society is getting way outta control however I believe common sense should have been used by the SNK employee. There should be a level of professionalism to be considered when you represent an entire Company in the power of anything you put out in public view. This ins't something new either so it always fascinates me that many companies still get wrapped up in these situations and always have to backtrack with a apology and deal with the fallout.
The whole world is practically addicted to porn at this point so we are just fooling ourselves when people act like they’re offended by this stuff.
Aaand even funnier is how a lot of these women use their sexuality to get views, gain popularity, wealth or even notoriety. I hear you man, but can't fully cosign since they play the oh we're being objectified card & then a good majority will have their ASSets front & center in streams, IG photos or whatever with no problem when it is beneficial.
Funny how you virtually never see them do a regular cosplay or anything eh? They almost ALWAYS pick hyper sexualized characters to emulate or will even sex up ones that aren't supposed. So yeah, the whining is sometimes annoying seeing as that so many of them seem to wanna have it both ways. Don't be a THOT when it benefits you, but clutch your pearls when you aren't or can't control the narrative. FOH with the inconsistency is all I'm saying.
Fantasy and entertainment should not be subject to pandering to crazy PC culture.
"Reported by Kotaku".
Orchestrated by Kotaku, I think you meant.
@Anthracks Nah, stone people really ate offended by this stuff. They are in three minority, I bet.
I can’t stand sexualized fan service. It’s not even a political thing. Unless it’s befitting to the character what’s the point? The worst part is a lot of games want us to take them seriously but shows us multiple angles of giant boobs. How can I not laugh my ass off at that point?
@gameboy1975 Just because some women abused the system doesn't mean ALL women should be treated like worthless sex objects.
Good to see the Nintendo Life comment section is as classy as ever
not being massively sexist is always the best choice. What idiot decided to write those tweets?
Jesus, I can't believe there are people out there defending this guy's lack of professionalism. The sexism and virginity is strong
here, a decent amount of you folks belong in the IGN comment section.
I see the old "ignore" button is gonna get a workout today.
Why do video game companies THINK that gamers use TWITTER, most of us are exorcised from the platform for being a "gamer", so why even bother catering towards your non-customers. I'm sure if you want to announce games, most players WILL check your website for updates/use media's like this website for gaming news. Putting your on twitter is gonna do nothing but keep you in a dumpster fire, the second you make these snowflakes cry.
@norwichred if that was your idea of nude wait until you see a real girl!
Tons of gamers use Twitter. The kind of freaks you seem so proud to lump yourself in with don't use social media because no one likes you. Also, in my experience the people that use snowflake as an insult complain on the internet more than anyone.
@gameboy1975 I’ll never forget what someone posted in my stream chat back when i streamed on twitch, “finally someone actually playing the game instead of hanging out trying to show off their goods”. this was ~2 years ago now and just keeps getting worse.
on the one hand, the fan service stuff is kind of gross. on the other hand, fan service games shouldn’t worry too much about people who aren’t buying those games anyway. on the other other hand, none of this matters that much. on the other other hand, let’s cancel Nintendo for:
At the end of the day, they do it because it gets views. It's that simple. The guys shaming these girls for showing skin on Twitch are the ones watching the most. They'll watch, get their rocks off, and then shame the girl. That type of behavior is disgusting honestly. I'm not interested in watching those girls stream (I don't like wasting my time watching other people play games in general), but there's obviously demand for it. I can respect their hustle though, and it's always satisfying to think that these girls are taking money from neckbeards who are obviously ashamed of themselves.
@TheFullAndy @Phostachio hardly, I've experienced gamers on full fronts, and most people who play games are not gonna get upset the second someone says something inappropriate on a whim, and even if they do, they themselves are special snowflakes who use OP items and consider themselves the best. It may come as a surprise to you that most gamers play games for playing games, not some over-glorified achievement they have to post on a social media platform just to tell everyone how good they are.
In the words of filthy frank insecurity intensifies "I'm better then everyone"
"On the latest super important controversy, character designed to make people horny is stated to be making people horny, 'fans' lose their minds."
While there's a lot to be said about the oversexualisation of women in games (how many times have you seen a realistic woman in a game as opposed to men), I'm also not a fan of policing sexual desire. Finding someone hot, even if it's a fictional character, is a natural thing to feel; the erotic doesn't follow the strict rules of morality and society. So some boys **** to a video game character, big whoop.
I don't think it was appropriate for the official account to post this tho, after all, some or most people play without this sexual fixation. They should be able to see the official account without comments like that.
On the other hand, and I'm walking on thin ice here, if you start to identify with a game character, and as a consequence feel unsafe because people desire said character, you're probably inscribing yourself in victimhood more than necessary. Sexual desire needs expression, surely some lewd jokes on twitter are not that big of a deal.
At any rate, if game developers cared more about creating female characters that don't cater to male gaze, this discussion would be moot. Alas, that doesn't happen, and when it does happen (TLOU 2 lesbian moment for instance) it is met with vitriol. So perhaps the pendulum needs to swing in the other direction for once to result in some balance.
What are you on about?!
I guess "the king" can't take a little talk back!
He was a very sad individual.
Ellie wasn't created to cater to "male gaze". The fact that you think so makes you part of the problem.
Are you so upset about this that you've completely forgotten what we were talking about? Achievements and OP items? What are you talking about?
Iroha is still going to be in the game, don't worry buddy. Get your hand lotion ready.
Meh. Iroha is still in the game, all they did was delete a few juvenile tweets. Don't see the problem.
@Phostachio that's exactly what I'm saying though? Thus, the moment it was revealed she actually cares for women, gamers were all up in arms.
@Phostachio eh, no this is a baiting comment. you can be aware of the problem and not watch them. i was pretty heavily involved in twitch and the community at the time and every twitchcon most of the girls are dressed to show as much skin as possible and call it cosplay. it became such a problem on camera twitch had to enforce a dress code for them. further most of them try to hide the fact that they are in a relationship to manipulate further. it’s pure manipulation and men easily fall for it unfortunately. and back to the original point they shouldn’t be doing it in the first place. if you think it’s acceptable for a woman to show herself off but not for a man to want to see a woman showing herself off then you have a double standard or some other motives
"She wanted it Judge"
That is what you sound like.
I am a fan of sex and sexuality--it's sexist to police someone for expressing their sexuality.
However, I don't know what those tweets said, though I suspect that both the original tweets, the offended users response, and the angry horndogs angry at self-censorship all share one thing in common: hyperbole.
I miss the days when we could just have a few pics of Mai Shiranui in EGM and not have the noise of some horndogs in their bedrooms screaming about her or some Woke people talking about how terrible she was--gaming was something between peers, now it's a huge public discourse, which is a mixed blessing at best. Can't close the browser tabs because non-participation lets the loudest voices set the agenda, can't ignore it because it will be shoved in your face no matter what.
Can we just play the game and enjoy art, sexiness and all?
I never said the guys viewing these girls can't do so, obviously both parties benefit from it. The girls aren't manipulating anyone. My problem here isn’t with guys watching these girls stream, it’s that they’ll watch them stream and still call them thots and shame them. Those kinds of guys are the problem.
@Phostachio I could care less about this game, however if some SJW snowflake, or Anti-SJW snowflake came into my game and started making a ruckous over certain aspects like DIFFICULTY, and they end up changing the game for these flithy casuals on twitter, then gets extremely annoying. Hence my comment, Game companies need to get the H#LL off twitter.
In poor taste? Yeah, but it's not that big of a deal.
@TheFullAndy nope that’s not at all what I sound like, you’re changing my words to match your narrative. My statements were and only are women are not innocent and I’m tired of the man bashing for finding women attractive. It’s not a crime, it’s natural.
I didn't quote any of your words so how did I change them?
I just read your post and it sounded....dodgy.
People need to see that even if they aren’t offended, some people are. It’s clearly an awful thing to tweet and entirely detrimental to encouraging a female audience for the game.
You are absolutely right, which is why I didn't condemn or even remotely say all women. It's just crazy the double standards. While what he/she tweeted was cringey IMO, the fact that people (especially men) always have to apologize even though women can make sexually charged or suggestive comment, jokes about men's genitalia, weight or whatever without doing it nearly as much is a BS double standard.
I've literally watched women ogling & making very obvious passes & sexually charged comments towards guys like Dwayne Johnson, Kobe Bryant, Idris Elba et cetera. Even though these guys are married, in relationships, not asking for that kind of attention or whatever. Yet nobody bats an eye, clutches their pearls or apologies sought after.
Yet some guy says a woman is pretty, hot or admires her looks, he's objectifying/traumatizing her & pearls are clutched. And he might get his arse "cancelled". Hell, even when she isn't that offended, someone else picks it up. All I'm saying is let's keep it fair & thorough. If it's not acceptable, it goes for both sides. We can't pick & choose when the ogling, outrage & such is deemed acceptable.
Sex sells. For every person offended, I'm afraid their are dozens either not bothered or drooling.
@Phostachio I don’t know who is shaming who here. I don’t do it and I’ll have no part of it. If I witness shaming of any kind I’ll be all over that person before you can blink. Calling them out for manipulation is not shaming. Stereotyping and assuming people here do shame without evidence is just plain wrong and only serves agendas. Also if someone uses a weakness of another for personal gain this most definitely is manipulation.
@Phostachio This is an article about twitter correct? It some how became news worthy for a media website to pick up on, and seeing how it's about gaming and the platform they post comments about, which did nothing but get them into a dumpster fire which Could have been prevented if they where not on twitter, however a special snowflake at their company decided to post something to cause drama, which in turn points the finger at gamers as a whole, and not the anti-SJW crowd.
So basically what is happening here is WE are getting blamed for something we never did and all because of game companies catering towards the casuals.
No one has ever complained about virtue signaling when it’s a virtue they support.
And when it’s not a virtue they support, they seem to stop seeing the virtue in it, when the virtue is undeniable but one still doesn’t wish to support it, complain about virtue signaling.
That is fair man. No daughters myself, but I had 3 younger sisters & I have nieces. No matter what though, the bad os out there. And this is just a niche tweet. Whereas there's way more out there that's more influential & potentially damaging. You sound like a solid person, so she has a good foundation as she should get her values from home. As most should. This isn't that serious though & I just took the chance to call out the double standards.
I mean, couldn't the females I'm talking about or describing do just as much or worse damage given their easier access? They can be just as much of the problem pr even more so if she sees them skirting by like that & think that's the norm or acceptable? Anyway man, just sime thoughts.Bee easy in any case...
@TheFullAndy here we go twisting words again. my turn. by your logic i should never find a woman attractive. nobody should. women shouldn’t find men attractive. procreation should stop. the human race should die because men find women attractive and literally worse than murdering baby seals using another baby seal as a bludgeoning stick. everyone should be eunuchs. this is what you sound like. very accurate. also take your own advice and seek help
If you're going to speak out against something, post the original content. Seriously. Not joking. It's not right.
They should just introduce a sexed-up male character already.
@Noid If they don’t have realistic ‘swing’ mechanics with the guy, I’ll riot.
@nessisonett conan exiles
IF SHE BREATHES
@Noid none of us would care even the tiniest little bit
The only thing I will say is that the whole "big tiddie anime" crap can go away anytime now. It's always been stupid and I don't know why people are still in love with this art style. Same goes for the girls in games that look 12 but are actually 18+. Its just gross honestly.
I'm struggling to see how the original tweet could be considered offensive. Sure, it may be unprofessional, but offensive? Is something like that really worth getting offended over?
And nothing was lost; nothing was gained, be it on Twitter or in these comments.
@Retron I assume you're giving your advice to everyone offended that the tweets were deleted. I agree. Hypocrites who indicate how much their feelings are hurt and doing something about it by mocking people for having their feelings hurt and doing something about it really need to just shut the [ ] up.
"We apologise again for the fault in the subtitles. Those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked, have been sacked."
Going to say this now: Jist because they deleted the tweet doesn't mean they stopped thinking it.
@TheFullAndy @tekknik @gameboy1975 etc, please stop the childish arguing and insult throwing otherwise accounts will be banned.
So, from the sound of it, the person who was promoting this new DLC character on Twitter on the official SamSho account was tweeting out a lot of saucy captures of the character, the company took notice, deleted the tweets, gave the social media person a warning, issued a pretty stock apology message, and now people are upset about this intervention.
...look. SNK has the right to control their public image online, and to reprimand individuals who use their public accounts in ways that the brass is uncomfortable with. And most big companies are not going to want their official Twitter account to sound like it's being run by a horny teenage boy.
@brandonbwii The Last of Us.
@GrailUK Doesn’t mean I have to like that business mindset. Find another way to sell your products already.
Oh, can't wait until all the female cosplayers cosplay as these pictures looking probably more revealing than the actual character. Hypocrites....>.<
Oh no another company reacted to something unauthorized being posted on one of their official Twitter accounts.
Oh no it's the end of the world.
The irony of calling this sort of entirely reasonable self-censorship "pandering"...
I don't think it's the same individuals, dude.
It feels like we can't ever have a serious discussion about sexual content in games. Depending on which side you're on, you're either arguing with a bunch of prudes or a bunch of deprived people. There's never a middle ground. I really don't know why we've become so ashamed of sexual content in games.
@brandonbwii Indeed. Wasn't condoning it.
@bluesdance That is so classic I remember seeing that! Reminds me when all Tomb Raider advertisements in gaming magazines made sure to show off all her various "assets" in various suggestive poses. I remember gawking at them (including the Game Boy Pocket one) with the other kids at school...it obviously worked.
Ah the 90s were the time when companies really pushed anything of sexual nature further and further. The competition got so fierce every other page of gaming magazines almost turned into soft core porno. It reminds me during the era of the WWF(before 'E') and WCW TV wars. They would go back and forth so much with the attractive women barely wearing anything to the point it was like 70% of all the broadcast every Monday night. LOL I wore out the jump button on the remote!
Sigh. I'm just glad Iroha is included and not 'nerfed'.
I love the butthurt comments from the supposedly manly men.
What a bunch of whiny little kids, oh noes someone took down some marketing garbage. You are complaining that you lost out on advertising.
What a bunch of losers.
@Heavyarms55 i agree social media,twitter and facebook need to disappear it gives sjw more ammo to attack games,anime and so on with ecchi type stuff in them reason why we cant have nice things.
Japanese developers should isolate themselves from the western world to keep from catching whatever mental illness is spreading around. I doubt any of these people upset on twitter will have bought or played the game.
@antdickens my apologies sir, your right it doesn’t help anything.
You called being attracted to sex natural, and then called it a weakness that women prey on. So the guys watching these streams are weak victims? Is that really what you're getting at?
That is how I read it.
Off topic, but I really hope the Neo Geo Pocket Color version of the game becomes available for everyone. Also the horny on main street comment triggered something in my brain. Now I have to go listen to the first Tokyo Blade album. I need a “midnight rendezvous.”
Those tweets were so obnoxious over the weekend that I actually unfollowed SNK because of it. If they've cleaned this up though maybe I'll re-follow.
@Fuwa Agreed. But I always tend to find that with most topics although sexual content certainly seems to be the most difficult to discuss. In my experience, there has never been a shortage of people who once they find out your opinion differs from others, the person on the other side must automatically have the most extreme opinion from yours and because they think there is no middle ground, they will automatically hurl insults in some misguided way of proving that they are superior/morally right etc.
I will admit, I am far from perfect; their have been times where I have done this. I guess defaulting to this is easier than actually trying to see the other's perspective. You could call me a hypocrite, but it's why I am careful which topics I get into.
Back on topic, I have been trying to find the original tweets, but I am struggling since they have been deleted, so unless someone has a screenshot somewhere, I don't think I will know the whole story. I think SNK are well within their right to remove tweets from their own twitter page which they don't approve of, but I am more surprised they weren't pre-screened by someone from marketing if they were that bad. Unless social media managers are very autonomous that they can do whatever tweets they want? I don't know.
EDIT: Scratch that, I am a dumb dumb, there is now a screenshot in the article. I don't think what was tweeted is enough to lose sleep over either way. Inappropriate for a company's pr twitter perhaps, but eh.
@Phostachio Not at all, in fact I’m not even saying anybody in particular is a victim. Just that both parties are equally at fault. The weakness is not an attraction to women. My statement was that attraction to women is natural for a heterosexual male. That doesn’t imply any specific beauty standards or anything more than hetero men find women attractive. The weakness, of you want to call it that (note that I was giving a pure definition of manipulation) is whatever the reasoning may be for a man to want a particular woman’s attention. Be it beauty, personality, whatever. Realizing a trigger in a particular person and exercising for personal gain is manipulation and further other streamers on the service do this as well for other reasons. For example, extracting money from people for fictitious ailments or diseases.
If someone wants to say it in conversation it’s fine it’s whatever, but as a marketing Tweet it’s unprofessional. No matter how you want to look at it. However, it’s also nothing to lose sleep over either. There have be other far worse marketing tactics used, unfortunately.
@mesome713 remember the other day where you were talking about how much you hated skimpy outfits in non-Nintendo games? 🤔
So a woman better not be pretty or have a good personality as that woman is manipulating a man's weakness for being attracted to those things?
You have a messed up view of things.
@TheFullAndy His opinions are the group think of a particular set of internet losers. It used to be these guys were separated and couldn't find similar people. This meant they either self isolated or improved themselves. Now they find similarly damaged people and pretend it's some kind of reasonable culture. It's really pathetic.
@Phostachio Also FWIW I had to dig around to find the tweets (and only saw one, but that was enough) and completely agree they were in appropriate. It was completely unprofessional and disrespectful. I am not defending them in any way.
Not offended by the tweet, but it is unprofessional. I definitely would not have said something like that on the job. Other than that, I look forward to Iroha in Samurai Shodown.
Just pointing out this article has over 100+ comments, none of the games other articles or it's review got this many comments.
While harassment to women is...
... we also have to assess the fact that fictional characters (that is, unless played by someone in live-action, in which case God help us all!) are pretty much all that people can lust after.
I hate to be so matter-of-factly about this, but... it's how things are.
@jump they don't actually care about the game. They just want want to complain about "censorship" or "objectification"
@nessisonett Some people will always be offended, and not necessarily the same people every time. So, let's stop creating art or entertainment that could be provocative to anyone. Better yet, let's not say anything, ever.
Wowwwwwww. There are some REALLY sexist and ignorant comments here. Like, to the point that I'm surprised. This is almost as bad as twitter.
@RiasGremory Oh it's much, much worse than that. Social media gives a platform to anyone to say anything they want, no matter how vile, harmful and disgusting, from the comparative safety of being hidden away behind a computer screen, and often times, a fake name.
That "safety" brings out the absolute worst in people. People you thought you knew and trusted will say appalling things. Coworkers spread lies and fake news, extended families start all manner of vile conversations. Politics, religion, morality, everything is toxic and harmful.
You can't talk about games, music, TV, movies, anything. Everything is political, everything is an argument.
And social media is designed to encourage that. The most hateful comments end up with the most replies and are pushed to the top of every thread. Downvotes are hidden and give the appearance that people only agree with the comment. Trolls deliberately fan the flames seeking to make people angry constantly.
SJWs, racists, sex offenders, religious nuts, moralists, political folk, criminals, trolls, hypocrites and on and on and on. That's the true face of social media.
This is what corporate Twitter does all the time. People acting like this is 'unprofessional'. It's marketing. It's trying to get attention and on Twitter the way brands get attention is to be obnoxious and inappropriate. You like it when it suits you and you don't when it doesn't.
If there wasn't a backlash upper management would have seen the guy that wrote the Tweet as a marketing genius. "We don't get kids these days, but this guy does!" But since there was a backlash "the employee that wrote this Tweet does not represent the views of blah blah blah he has been disciplined, etc."
Laura craft, chun Li, joanna dark, bayonetta, Jill Valentine. Each one of them wears either little clothes or skin tight clothes. Women in games are dressed provocatively. I don't like it because in my opinion it gives men the idea that women are sex objects. However when I say that men attack me because "there's nothing wrong with a little fantasy" and women attack me for saying "we should be able to wear what we want". Now this is the comment that breaks the camels back. It's just confusing. The only thing I agree with is that it shouldn't have come from the developers account.
Do you mean the native american animation in Smash? That was seriously outdated, in bad taste and Nintendo cut it out because they didn't realise it was still in there.
Is that really the best example you can come up with?
@TheFullAndy Dude, you've misconstrued Tekkniks point so many times, so I'm going to try and attempt to explain it one time, and hopefully you'll see what they're saying is not messed up in any way.
Girls can be pretty and beautiful, both physically and personality wise. It is natural to be attracted to said women if you are a heterosexual male.
However, SOME women use that specifically to manipulate, whether to garner incorrect attention through cosplaying, or by streaming with the intent to get people's money based solely on said beauty. Again, SOME, not all. At which point, Tekknik has an issue with that sort of purposeful manipulation/exploitation of a natural desire
Tekknik presented two ideas that work well with each other and can be understood, so hopefully this helps understand their points. If not and you choose to misconstrue it all again, I give up.
No I got your point: You can be offended but i don't care.
I agree, if something I say or do offends someone, i don't care, within reason.
But the native american thing wasn't offensive it was racist.
So in those instances the women should let the men "get it on" with them because how dare they use their looks or personality in a way that benefits them?! Is that the gist?
I am going to punch my best mate for all those times he used his charms and looks to chat up all those women at the bar.
All I take from this is that these weak willed men need to get a life and stop being so stupid before they end up killing prostitutes.
@TheFullAndy Ah, I see, you're just doing it again. Adding things to the conversation that nobody even said or implied, and then blaming the person for having that viewpoint even though that's not remotely what they said. Ah well.
A quote from one of his earlier posts:
"further most of them try to hide the fact that they are in a relationship to manipulate further"
I mean come on lol
That tells me all I need to know right there.
@Cupid This. I usually dislike when people seemingly get angry about any public statement these days, but that tweet was just a dumb thing to post from an official account, looks more like something an uneducated 12 year old would post.
NintendoLife comment section, on brand like clockwork 😂😂. Though I would add that some of the comments here are quite concerning and I would be very wary of some of these commenters being around women if that's how you truly feel.
@tekknik In post #62, may I ask what is meant by using a person's weakness for manipulation? What weaknesses are you talking about exactly?
@Whispy May I ask what's meant by "incorrect attention"?
And so the f' what a woman uses her looks to pay the bills? Is she hurting anyone in the process? Seriously, what's the issue here?
I'm sorry, people who follow samsho games give up any right to snowflakiness when they get their decoder pin in the mail.
This generation needs more Cobra Kai. It should be required viewing material.
@UmbreonsPapa Sure I’ll try again. Perhaps weakness isn’t the correct word so this could part of the misconception. Most (all?) people have various triggers that will almost certainly guarantee some benefit to someone if triggered properly and in the right context. You’ve likely seen these in F2P mobile games but they affect all aspects of society and (unfortunately) is more often than not used for financial gain. Business even research how to more effectively extract revenue using emotional tactics. You see it everyday. These are the weakness I’m referring too and can vary from person to person, and again that may not be the correct word. Now this is the important part, a person realizing these “weaknesses” and using them for financial gain is morally unacceptable to me. Some streamers, including both men and women, have done exactly this. Sometimes is playing on a lonely person (male or female), other times it’s claiming you’re handicap when you’re really not. What I’m not saying that most people seem to be insinuating is that if some person falls in love without manipulation and then by their own will starts forking over money then obviously the person who’s the focus of the love is not at fault.
Twitter is full of disgusting puritans that cannot take a joke or appreciate female beauty.
So.....if someone falls head over heels for a girl (or boy) on twitch and pays a sub to continue watching it, it is that girls (or boys) fault for showing a bit of skin or having a flirty personality or not revealing she (or he) has a partner and therefore that girl (or boy) is morally bankrupt?
@bluesdance Holy crap, that's a pretty intense ad. I didn't think it got any more controversial than that one Game Boy Micro commercial with the horny mouse.
If people actually get offended at this, I don't know how they handle the real world in the slightest.
Well this shows how political correctness is basically a puritan movement.
@TheFullAndy - Which is curious, cause the whole animation is encapsulated by that very outdated game. The feather was removed, but the loincloth and torch is still there, still representing the supposed toxicity of the representation many supposedly complained about.
Which means I feel like the complaint was motivated by fame, cause JUST the feather was racist, not the whole part.
Which actually serves @graysoncharles own point; That people get offended over anything, cause the removal of the simple graphic made them stop. Simply cause they were heard and the endorphins kicked in and moved to the next argument, though the rest of the example remained intact. Seems to me it wasn't about the move at all, it was about their projection, and it was shallow.
Crass and inappropriate? Maybe? Does it offend me that much? No
I don't know enough about native american history and what is considered racist/offensive or not, I just remember a short animation being changed that didn't affect the game in any way, removed perceived racist imagery and the usual mixture of people complaining about the original offensiveness of it then other people being offended by those offended and complaining about that.
Happens every damn time and everyone is as bad as each other.
@TheFullAndy - That last bit I don't disagree with.
I was pointing out, they used the example of the ENTIRE move, exclusively used in that one game with Indians burning forts, as why the feather was problematic.
Now let's consider this a proper defense: Why is only removing the feather "enough?" Why would the rest of the move and animation, that exclusively referenced that one game, still consider to been acceptable though the referenced material remained the same sans the feather?
That's where the argument falls apart, cause many defended the change to avoid the offensive context. But that remained, just no feather. So one had to ask why is just the feather problematic?
Now I am not going after you or anything, just pointing out there is nuance to that example that still serves grayson's point. That is all I am saying.
As I said I don't know enough about Native American history.
Regardless, Graysons main point "If something offends you, it is truly your fault, period, since that reaction comes from you, not the one who you said "caused" it" is something I disagree with.
If I approached someone in the street and just started saying really nasty stuff to them, is it their fault they are offended or mine?
Nonsense, people are not robots, it is why mental health is a thing.
Everyone has something that they find offensive, unless they are a psychopath, and if it goes beyond the pale it needs fixing.
Even you getting annoyed at people getting offended is really you being offended by others reactions.
If you really believed what you say you wouldn't have commented at all.
@GrailUK Didn’t think you were. Just adding my 2 cents.
I wasn't saying you couldn't or shouldn't comment.
I was saying if you were following your logic of not being offended or getting "snowflakey" about something, in this case other people being offended, then you wouldn't feel the need to comment as it shows you are offended.
One big circle.
@brandonbwii Thanks ^^
"We're all horny on main tonight" legit sounds like something either the DOOM or Devolver Digital Twitter accounts would tweet just saying
Why were you disagreeing? Because their comment offended your views on the matter to the point that you had to counter. You had to let nessisonett know in essence why you were offended.
No one wins in these arguments. It is just people getting more offended by other peoples views ad infinitum. And no one sees the irony of it
That's alright, I don't care if my views offend you 😎
@Phostachio So much projection lol
People that disagree with your bad takes is not sexism. Maybe you should take your own advice and grow up.
I’ll never understand why people get so offended by fictional characters just being who they are and designed to be. That disclaimer remember any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely coincidental, oh and the fact that they are not real!
Don’t forget at our core we are still base animals with basic instincts and we have programmed into us characteristics that each of us find generally attractive in a mate.
I mean, you literally did the same thing but oh well. Can't expect much else from a guy that goes around calling homosexuals "degenerates".
"but if people were still offended, i'd have to just say, deal with it."
To be fair, they did deal with it and quite effectively too!
@Phostachio Dude, you are clearly projecting your own failings onto people that disagree with you. Like I said, take your own advice and grow up.
I agree for the most part.
But people being offended and making it clear why they are offended is their right. It isn't their fault the tweets were taken down, that decision was out of their hands.
Just like it is a right for people to be offended by those posting they were offended and for them to post why they are offended about those offended
The never ending merry go round I mention above.
Are these tweets something I would care about?
Nah, but I do find it funny people getting in a tizzy that images of a "sexy" videogame character were deleted, I just think that is sad, watch some porn or something. People can take offence at my view which is their right but I don't care if my view has offended them.
You see? Merry go round.
Paint-by-number Twitter'versy aside, new Samsho is pretty fun. You guys should give it a try if you get the chance.
This is where someone points out that Iroha is actually a bird...
You do you bud.
Everyone is free to offend, but much like with free speech, everyone is also free to deal with the consequences if they push it too far.
@TheFullAndy - Depends on context. If it's threatening, then the fault lies on the one fishing it out. However if my livelihood isn't at stake, it is within my control to let it live rent free in my head for as long as it warrants.
It's similar to this conversation. If I find it deplorable or offensive, I can just log out. Your potential nasty things won't have the means to reach me as a target. Thus rendering the slander worthless, as its goal isn't being met.
For the record: I don't find this conversation at all offensive, I kind of enjoy this talk.
@Savino 21th century and people still think people think women as sex toys
2020 and people are still getting offended over fictional sexuality or people getting offended for fictional sexuality and issuing apologies when only one person was offended. Wonderful.
Yeah there has been good points made by many in this comments section but in the end it just shows to me that everyone gets offended.
The only reason we are all here is we have taken exception to, or been offended by, something whether it be aspects of the article itself or other peoples comments.
And the merry go round goes on and on!
Right, gonna play some Street Fighter V. Have a good one!
And you are evidently offended by that so came here to complain!
Don't take offense if I don't reply to any retort you have, you can read all my previous comments above to catch my drift.
surprisingly more well-rounded comment section then i expected. the tweet was corny as all get out and im more glad they deleted it because it was a huge eyeroll
unmentioned in the article, but as of last night at least, one of the senior people at SNK (Jim Bulmer) had been run off twitter as a scapegoat for the tweet getting deleted, makes you wonder who exactly the offended gang was :V
This is hilarious! And of course SNK is going to apologize, what else are they going to do?! Not apologized and risk losing sales? And the admin got a "stern" warning....which is...HILARIOUS! Some of you are taking this too seriously on both ends...no its no the end of the world that SNK apologized and PC culture isn't destroying everything (talk about an over the top statement), and no, its not a big deal it happened in the first place, as it was...HILARIOUS! Chill pills, get a prescription!
@Entrr_username - Well, to be fair, there isn't anyone stopping people from making male characters the same way.
Hell, many date sims do this. If there is a market for overtly sexualized men, then capitalize.
After all, we all don't have to be in the same markets.
Oh I know, it's just frustrating to see this on NintendoLife. Like I said before, I expect this kind of thing on IGN but usually Nintendo fans are above it.
@Paraka Very good point
Wow, you're cool and edgy. I bet you're still making Naruto AMVs with Linkin Park music.
@Phostachio You better get used to it. People that disagree with you are not going away
@LoneRenegade17 Just a tiny minority of people (literally one person) in a fanbase that think they get to speak for the whole fanbase. The tweet was cringe but it still had over 5000 likes before it was taken down.
@ReaperExTenebris I know you might be referring partly to me but it was more directed at the easily offended crowd that always like to play the victim.
I have nothing against LGBT people other then the ones that like to enforce what we are allowed and not allowed to say and what should be and shouldn't be allowed.
So if there is an LGBT person that was offended by my comments that dont fall into this group then I apologise. As for the ones that think they should have control over what should and shouldn't be allowed because they like to play the victims there whole lives rather then grow up, well I would just say deal with it because I have more self respect then to let manchildren decide what I am allowed to say or not say.
Did they say they were speaking for the entire fan base or did they just speak?
Anyway don't blame them, they succeeded in what they were trying to do whilst all those 500 likes failed in keeping up pictures of video game boobies or whatever it was.
What a bunch of failures!
@ReaperExTenebris It was entirely appropriate if the fanbase liked it. You dont want companies to engage with there fanbase? To join in on jokes or internet memes? What's wrong with that if the fanbase in question like it?
@TheFullAndy You can read the account that complained. From your earlier posts you like to act like you are above it all but when called out on it you just keep being obtuse and playing semantic games.
And they didnt win because now the company will lose money. Look what happened with Ion Fury when they caved into a minority and apologised but then the backlash from the actual fans was far bigger so they retracted the apology.
So they havent won yet my dude
So...they didn't act like they were talking for the entire fan base then.
I haven't been obtuse at all, my first comment in this article sets out what I think about the people upset the tweets were deleted.
Also I think it is pretty clear you were doing some LGBT bashing earlier and are therefore complete scum.
Obtuse enough for you?
@ReaperExTenebris I wouldnt care as the market of said game in your analogy wouldnt be for me anyway. Samurai shodown and many japanese fighters are known for these designs of female characters and majority of the market they are targeting clearly like that. Otherwise they would have stopped ages ago.
No my aim isnt to offend people like you for being bi or trans. Just the ones that police what I can and cant say or what jokes I am allowed to make. I dont care if there are jokes at my expense either.
@TheFullAndy That person complaining to the account over a post the fanbase clearly liked was pretty much speaking for the fans. She was just one person that complained over a post that got 5000 up votes. She was the outlier.
Now I am not saying she isnt allowed to complain obviously, but she shouldn't be suprised if the fanbase gangs up on her.
I ain't joining you on your little merry go round so maybe start listening to what people are actually saying. Didnt you say you was going to play street fighter v or are you not as above it all as you claim. Maybe you are offended even?
@Damo Given the ratio of male to female players in the fighting game arena, it shouldn't come as a massive shock to learn that the reaction to this self-censorship has been overwhelmingly negative...
Just what the hell does that mean? The original tweet was puerile and useless, but your words come across as virulently anti-male hate speech, Damien McFerran. I think you should explain yourself. I don't read Kotaku (or The Root, or any other Gawker regressive left baiting) precisely to avoid this kind of bigotry. I don't think I'll be letting this go.
Iroha is still coming to SamSho, with no censorship? Yes, then who cares?
@ReaperExTenebris I upvoted you as I 100% agree. The tweet was cringe and doa5 did handle things better.
Taking a break from getting my arse kicked.
I never said I don't get offended, in fact my argument was clearly that everyone gets offended, me and you included. You are already on the merry go round and the fact you don't realise that amuses me.
Regardless of whether the person who complained was an outlier, they have a right to air their issues with the tweets. It wasn't the person who complained who took the tweets down it was the company, maybe after realising they were just a bit pathetic (seriously, just watch porn).
You have skipped over my LGBT comment. Let it be known that does offend me as it is utterly pathetic and if you do it again I will report you.
@Cupid I salute your perspective in this. @Damo could have questioned sexual fetishes or what have you without attacking all men, or an entire fanbase.
I'm sure there are going to be those who don't see the big deal, but let this be a lesson:
If you are EVER working at your job and feel the need to type or utter the phrase, "We so horny" in any kind of official (or unofficial) capacity, don't. Not if you like that job.
@Mando44646 Agreed. That goes for @damo as well.
Doh!! So that's what I was doing wrong!
@Elldot Reported and Ignored. Look in the mirror. Also, the term "neckbeard" comes across as body-shaming. Seriously, you should practice what you preach.
Wow, you really aren't letting this go! Watch out Damo!!
@ReaperExTenebris Seriously. The tweet, from an official account no less, was ****ing juvenile and stupid. Unprofessional. It deserves criticism, discussion, you name it. But @damo is adding fuel to the fire for no reason... that I can see.
To get everyone commenting?!
Mission accomplished I would say.
@TheFullAndy lol and you are still letting the points go over your head. I clearly said she is able to complain, just not to be suprised if her complaints are not popular. Do you get it yet?
Just watch porn? It's a game dude, I dont know why you are making some false equivalence with porn. Do you think women in bikinis on a beach
is pornnographic or something?
I skipped over your LGBT comment because I dont care. I REALLY do not care that you are offended.
I mean I do care when it comes to other people so I concede I did jump in this thread being strong with my words and ended up offending people I didnt intend to. But you? I dont care. You are free to be as offended as you like dude. It doesnt bother me.
@Suicune I don't agree with everything you say, but I respect the reasoning in your statements.
@ReaperExTenebris agreed. I got doa6 day one and am disapointed. They did improve some things over time but I kinda wish they would add back the Virtua Fighter characters from doa5
@ReaperExTenebris Click the article byline. "By Damien McFerran".
@TheFullAndy Yeah, you deliberately ignored all the nuance and reasoning in tekknik's comment. Keep it up with the shallow quips in response to thoughtful paragraphs. I won't be reading your nonsense.
Nice thumbnail atleast ^_^
I have nothing to "get" over the complaint not being popular, I know how the internet works. In fact more power to them for saying it knowing the backlash they would face.
I keep referencing porn because I cannot in my head fathom any other reason why people are fussed about these tweets being deleted unless they are sexually frustrated losers. The tweets were clearly juvenile.
I am glad you "REALLY" (hah giveaway) do not care if I am offended. I do not give two fu....hoots that you don't care, just know you have been warned.
I had a glance over all your comments. You got issues son.
Nuance? I read between the lines. The lad has issues.
@gameboy1975 I agree with you 100% on the double standards. I don't think I want to look up this Samurai Showdown, but, in fairness, if only the female characters are having their bodies displayed prominently, I would say the developers are guilty of some hypocrisy.
The fact you agree with all these women haters is not a surprise.
@Dogorilla agreed, and also glad that the site itself is as classy as ever.
I'm seriously thinking of quitting NL, I'm really tired of non-reporting, copypasted news with zero research, clickbait and articles like this that only exist to stir the pot and cause some ruckus.
I keep coming here only because of the community and because I've been here for like 6 years, but even the community has grown more toxic over the years.
I'm just disheartened because this site has all it would take to be a great one, but it's becoming more and more like a cesspool.
They are bothered for the reason the tweet was taken down. How do you not understand this yet? More power to the person that angered the fanbase she is part of? Huh?
Why do you keep warning me? You just come across as fragile. Now you say I have issues so I must have gotten under your skin. You will get over it.
If you know how the internet works then you will know I can see through all your attempts to pretend you ain't totally assblasted
assbalsted? I am beginning to think he doth protest too much. It is OK mate, just be honest with yourself, no judgement here.
I do not care why these losers are annoyed the tweets got taken down which is probably "a girl made it happen!"
So you clearly hate women too huh? I refer to my first point.
Also you sound like a sheep - "oh no someone has different thoughts than us!"
@UmbreonsPapa Many consider it crass when a person succeeds only because of their looks. Just as people dislike those who succeed only due to their privileged birth, rather than strength of character or achievement. The extreme example being certain political "leaders" of our time.
@TheFullAndy I see you have run out of steam if you think all the people that disagree with you just 'hate women'. Just because you may have skeletons in your closet doesnt mean everyone else does.
Also notice I ain't giving you are warning to report your post for making a personal attack on me earlier with the whole I have issues thing? Its because I can take the bantz. You told me you know how the internet works, practice what you preach my dude
Everything they have said?
Seriously look at tekkniks comments as an example.
@TheFullAndy Excuse me for being pedantic here, but did tekkniks say he hates women or are you projecting that onto him?
@SquallLeonhart86 I set "Andy" to Ignore near the top of the thread, and I don't want to crimp your style when you seem to have things in hand, but seriously, "Andy" is a low-effort troll. I mean, if you want to bother, so be it.
Awww did I offend you?
OK, explain to me in detail the issue you have with the tweets being taken down?
You said it is the reason they were taken down that is the problem but I personally don't see why people don't realise they were juvenile and alienated a section of the player base so that is why they were obviously taken down.
You can tell who the Resetera dips are around here. Lol
"I can't deal with people so I ignore them"
It is TheFullAndy by the way.
@COVIDberry True, but I am having fun.
Regarding Tekknik, a quote:
"further most of them try to hide the fact that they are in a relationship to manipulate further."
Practically textbook woman hater. It is almost cliche
@TheFullAndy Alienated what section of the player base? How big is that section and how did a cringe tweet alienate them when the tweet had over 5000 likes.
@TheFullAndy So are you saying all women are twitch thots? Because that would have to be the case if you want to make out he hates women.
@SSJW Hahaha - I am not sure I get the reference.
I do not know what Twitch THOT is I am a well adjusted human man.
Also you are meant to be telling me the issue you have with a woman not being happy the twitter feed for a game she liked was acting like a 13 year old boy.
Hop to it.
Serious, and I don't want to know as I imagine it is a pathetic way to label someone.
@TheFullAndy You are human? I dont believe you.
Seriously though why should I answer your question when it starts with the presumption I hate women.
I mean ffs one of my fav game journalists is a transsexual even though you may find that hard to believe.
You are a far more generous and understanding person than I.
OK, I take back that you hate women.
Explain your issue with what has occurred.
I genuinely don't see the issue.
Yes but not on this article. Have a feeling he has me on ignore anyway.
You are a cool dude, fair play to you.
@TheFullAndy Fine. My issue is that a cringe joke tweet was taken down because one persona complained. It makes no sense to me. If 5000 people liked it then why listen to a single person that doesnt?
I do get the tweet was unprofessional but it was still a joke that people clearly liked. That's it. Well, that's my personal opinion on it anyway.
Let's say that tweet had a mostly nude male character with an equally cringe joke but the tweet still had 5000 likes but a single guy complained so it was taken down. It would be stupid.
How a person can feel 'unwelcome' because of a single cringe joke tweet makes no sence to me. But that's just my take on it.
OK, thanks for breaking down your issues.
Hypotheticals are pointless because bottom line is it never happens the other way so maybe that is why the female crowd are maybe getting sick of it.
Also the person who complained had every right to express their opinion and they didn't demand it get taken down, the company decided that.
Anyone hating on that girl should hang their heads in shame.
The reason I was accusing people of being women haters is because that is what they focused on, that it was a woman and only that. Plus other things they said (sorry Tekknik has issues)
So sad little men calling women twitchers Hos.
@Averagewriter I don't know how long you've been here, but trust me when I say it was way better a few years ago, and I'm not the only one thinking that.
PushSquare is way better than NL, and has had the opposite trajectory: the authors were very opinionated and defensive, but with time they found their style (which I quite like, and is way more charismatic than the bland fake enthusiasm of NL) and the community grew. Nowadays they still have their issues like everyone but in general it's a blast.
Oh and reviews are actually competent over there, as opposed to here.
I imagine the interactivity aspect makes people think they are in a "releationship" with these twitchers but at the end of the day that is on them.
I don't keep in contact with that stripper I gave 50 notes to.
@TheFullAndy Fair enough.
I want to just mention one other thing, the woman that complained was also being combative on Twitter afterwords so she kept kicking the Hornets nest. She started calling everyone troglodytes. But I do agree the company should take the blame as they were the ones that took it down.
That is also her right, we havent exactly been taking any replies here lying down have we 😂.
We won't agree on this, they shouldn't have put it up in the first place, but now there is an understanding of sorts.
Didn't think you were dude.
I think it is a horrible term dreamt up by lonely frustrated men children, but that is just me.
@TheFullAndy +1 True that
Shall we draw a line here and move on under hopefully more lighthearted encounters?
@TheFullAndy Sure! I am happy to agree to disagree.
I do apologise about my first comments in the thread. I understand they were in poor taste.
Only on Twitter could someone be offended by a horny on main joke.
It is OK dude, we are both clearly stubborn gits and I am also a bit of a wind up merchant! But everything I say I believe in.
I can see a few more "disagreements" down the road but I will try and keep it light!
Today/tonight has been fun! I like the occasional online battle of wits!
PC culture is preventing this guy who is working to say he’s horny to everyone online on the company twitter while on the job how dare you stifle his freedoms and his addiction to tiddy.
@TheFullAndy Same here. You definitely give as good as you get.
Til next time!
This "self censorship" was of course appropriate. I say of course, but as your article says and the comments on here suggest, not everyone agrees with that. Such a shame.
It was a pretty awful tweet, but the negative reaction everywhere is pretty sad.
How’s the online play? Decent population still for North American players? Tired of waiting for the PC version, lol.
My dudes, being turned on by sexy game characters is a-ok, IMHO. It’s just another form of appealing visual design. It’s all complementary to the game anyway...not like this is going to replace human sexy-time. It’s just an added bonus to the bloody gameplay!
@TheFullAndy - Well I came to see what the hubbub was about, honestly. I can actually see why he had to apologize.
I mean, in context, he spoke about arousal, on a company account, on a game not dedicated to arousal. That's bad optics, simply put. If it were his personal account I may see it differently.
Then the comments section, my first hot take was to say even if he deletes it, still thinks it. So his feelings were already made public about it.
But I get you, we do get offended, or insulted in some way, and come here cause we are all compelled to share our opinion over it. Sometimes it aligns with people we're notably at odds, sometimes not. Always good to reflect if this is the hills people want to die on.
Now go kick ass on some Rashid for me, lord knows I suck at it.
@TheFullAndy Not sure what you're talking about since I never even replied to you.
@Savino 😴 all you want but it's true. From what I see, people have much higher standards for female characters than males, sometimes too much. Make a male sexy all you want but make a female even a tiny bit revealing and you're as good as dead.
This game is actually really sweet. Hands down my new favorite 2d fighter.
I think many of these comments are going round in circles, so I'm locking the comment section on this now.
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