Polish studio Destructive Creations' twin-stick murder simulator Hatred is coming to the Nintendo Switch, it has been confirmed.
Released in 2015, the game gained notoriety for its glorification of violence – something which caused Valve to remove it from their Steam Greenlight service. It was later reinstated, along with an apology from Valve's Gabe Newell.
Placing you in the role of a cold-blooded killer who is "sick and tired of humanity’s worthless existence" and intent on "cleansing the land", Hatred was positioned by its developer as a response to "politically correct" trends within the games industry:
These days, when a lot of games are heading to be polite, colorful, politically correct and trying to be some kind of higher art, rather than just an entertainment , we wanted to create something against trends. We say ‘yes, it is a game about killing people' and the only reason of the antagonist doing that sick stuff is his deep-rooted hatred.
The game was awarded an 'Adults Only' rating, making it the third video game to receive the rating for extreme violence – Manhunt 2 and the unreleased Thrill Kill are the other two.
As for the game's quality, it currently holds a Metacritic rating of 43/100, with the user score being 4.7. Game Informer said of the PC version: "The game takes itself extremely seriously and has plenty of extremely violent content and murder, but it ends up feeling more like camp." Gamespot added: "Hatred is too repetitive to be exciting, too dumb to be frightening, too basic for you to feel accomplished at its end, too dour to be violently cathartic, too self-serious to engender ironic amusement, and yet still too childish to matter... essentially, it's a nothing of a game." UK outlet The Guardian perhaps put it best: "At its worst, it’s the gaming equivalent of a drunkard shouting abuse from a park bench. At its best … well, the drunkard has leapt up and now he’s wielding a plastic knife." Maybe not one to get too excited about, then?
Nintendo does not permit Adults Only-rated games on the eShop, so it remains to be seen if some content has had to be removed. No release date has been revealed yet, either.
[source twitter.com, via gonintendo.com]
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Wait, so Nintendo doesn’t allow Adult Only games yet the game is coming to the Switch 🤔 makes no sense to me
Hm never played it before, but I must say I’m a little bit curious. Controversial games are always interesting.
Nintendo has no problem with 18+ ratings in other territories so long as the game isn't banned/refused, so, technically, only the U.S. version would need to be censored while being available uncut with an 18+ certificate elsewhere.
Similarly, there is no Australian X18+ rating for games (it exists only for film/home video via licensed venues, and only in ACT/NT, so the vast majority of the country don't even have access to such material) so there is no risk of the Aussie eShop being flooded with sexually explicit games (though our R18+ classification places "virtually no restrictions" on nudity!).
This game sucks. If it wasn't for how "dangerous" it says it is, there would be no reason to talk about it.
No interest at all in playing it, but I'm glad that Nintendo are allowing a wide range of stuff onto the platform.
@popey1980
There is no way the game won't be censored.
i tried this out on pc and im not sure exactly what the deal is, it just seems like a generic top down twin stick shooter with executions that almost any other violent game has, there isn't even any nudity in it.
Even a cursory glance at the eShop's offerings any given week speaks volumes; the Nintendo Seal of Quality is long, long gone, replaced by the Nintendo Seal of Quantity. So many games that are outright garbage there, whether thematically or simply in terms of quality. They've been releasing at such a rapid rate since the Switch's launch that users have to wade through WAY too much junk in an unwieldy menu system that puts new titles...including the games that are actually worth having..."below the fold" typically in less than a week.
Nintendo loves to tout the Switch's eShop/Indie support and number of games, but this is its dark underbelly. Those numbers they tout mean absolutely nothing if the games aren't worth owning or playing. The Switch and users would benefit greatly if they would "trim the fat" and get rid of 90-plus percent of what's there.
'Murder simulation'... that description alone makes me feel physically sick.
@AtlanteanMan
There never was a "seal of quality" it was just there to show that Nintendo approved it to be released on the NES not the actual quality of the game it self.
The NES has an enormous amount of garbage games
as does the SNES and Wii.
And more choice is always better then little to no choice.
While the E-shop could do with abetter interface.
i'd rather have an ungodly amount of games, then just a handfull of the same old usual suspects.
After all who knows what you can find in there ?
@popey1980 read carefully doesnt allow AO games on Eshop i feel physical release is gonna be the only way to get this game!!!
The most controversial thing about the game is how they didn't want to pay unreal + epic their 5% so they had it pulled from steam. Or just fakes the takedown for more publicity.
This game is pretty bad, but that shouldn't be a surprise considering it only exists for its shock value. I would recommend staying away.
@LavaTwilight
Not any different from GTA or Saints Row or any other over the top violent games out there.
How is this any different form Hotline Miami or Postal ?
It's just over the top gore and violence for shock value.
@KitsuneNight
Yeah, that other comment read to me like 'I don't like it so it shouldn't exist.' People need to drop that attitude. There's a lot of games I don't care for (the game that is the focal point of this article is one of them) but they have a right to exist. Fact is all successful consoles have large libraries that are cluttered with garbage and beyond that, no one person gets to decide what's good or not. Some people hate well-loved games, so it is what it is. Now if people want to discuss how Nintendo could improve it's E-Shop so it's easier for people to find what they want, that's absolutely a conversation Nintendo should be open to.
Been wanting to play this game for a long time! Glad to see it coming to Switch. Also note that this is the first console release if true.
gore and violence? Sounds like resident evil 3 remake.
@AtlanteanMan
I agree, it’s as bad as trying to find a game on a mobile App Store, except those stores at least have much better search functionality.
@jcvandan lol that's a bit extreme of an assumption don't you think?
Probably will be distributed physically by the publisher, Destructive Creations, since retailers won't carry AO-rated games either.
The biggest problem with this game is that it’s terrible. The difference between this and Hotline Miami is that game is actually fun to play and has a plot. I mean, ‘cleansing the land’? Are the devs actually that thick that they think it’s acceptable to use that language? They might as well have called it Nazi Simulator and sold it for £1.
@DarkLloyd haha yeah, but to dedicate your life for an extended period of time to producing something which is essentially a troll (they even admit this in their PR) displays some sort of mental instability imo
@KitsuneNight Quite frankly I find those games unacceptable too. They have an 18 guidance, yet they're allowed to be sold to under-18s. I know my opinion is relatively unpopular, but I have to stand by my principles. I think those games are disgraceful and a stain on the video game industry. It's so bad that I don't even want to be associated with gamers if that's the way I'm viewed. But then I guess the love of violence is just one of the signs of the times.
Might give it a try if and when it comes, I wasn't playing games around the time it initially released so didn't see the backlash against it but looking now, it was absurd how some circles reacted to it. Not surprised there is some still some of that here considering groups love to be offended by pretty much everything these days.
@LavaTwilight surely you can see the difference between games that use extreme violence as a tool to say something interesting and a game like this which is just extremist trolling. You can still have principles and say you don't like violence (nothing wrong with that), but appreciate the differences between the 2. It's sort of like the difference between torture porn movies and war movies.
@jcvandan Yeah, I agree, it’s the difference between horror movies like It and horror movies like Cannibal Holocaust. Violence can be nuanced in the same way as sex, drug taking etc but it can also be entirely gratuitous and these devs sound like absolute plonkers.
finally, I can find out how to overload the reactorrs on the go
@KitsuneNight postal 1 is probably the most apt comparison there is, it's just as grim and boring as that
...Hatred? What is next: that game?
We already have a great murder simulator - Hotline Miami.
@popey1980 Actually Nintendo themselves which are first party dont do or allow AO rated titles. But they do allow third party developers to sell Adult games on the Switch eShop. I have 3 titles that are adult rated.
I can’t get behind this. I play games to have fun and relax this just has such a negative connotation.
@MarkyVigoroth If they made a visual novel with as a ‘plot element’ then you know fine well some here would defend it.
@Nin10Doe the article is wrong then By what you are saying. Curious though, what are the 3 AO Switch you have?
The best part about the game is the protagonist’s name is literally Not Important.
Hey, anyone remember how South Park Stick of Truth? That came out on Switch, and one of the boss fights had your shrunk down character fight magical underwear stealing elves underneath your 2 parents having sex. If that game made it onto the Switch, then really anything goes.
@nessisonett If we got a Berserk game on the Switch then you are right, I'd defend the heck out of that.
I'm glad it's free to come to the platform, but I don't know that it has a lot of value outside of being something that pushes against the boundaries of what is considered acceptable in art.
@nessisonett has been a plot element in fiction for hundreds, and probably thousands, of years. It's a part of life, so it'll be a part of art.
Also, Hatred, to my knowledge, doesn't include any sort of racial component to the main character's generalized misanthropy. If you're reading Nazism into this game, then that's baggage you're hauling with you.
@popey1980 Sure since you want to know about it. The eShop has Shin Den Ai ~Nani Ga Hosshi No which is an adult Simulator also promoted on this site. Dead Or Alive Scarlet, and NinNin Days a visual novel is especially not for children. Dont believe me look them up.
@patbacknitro18 considering the only berserk games aren't visual novel titles, and those titles as far as I know skip right past the golden age part with gambino and/or omit the uh...eclipse bit with casca, not exactly sure it fits any part of the bill there
But surely any 18-Rated game Is “Adult Only”?
Attention seeking developers like this are a waste of time. Make a bad game, call it 'art' and then spend the next five years living of the attention. I am not surprised to see some within the NL community (the usual basement dwellers) standing up for it saying 'all games have a right to exist' because... ARRRRRT'.
Its not a great game and tbh its no more violent than something like Hotline Miami
Murder Simulator? LOL, you get to kill in almost every game these days. Is CoD or Fortnite not a murder simulator?
If this is allowed on Switch, anything could come on here. For all we know, Hentai Area 51 could be next!
@Nin10Doe without sound aggressive or argumentative, I thought DOA Scarlet was an 18 not AO? I’d have to dig my case out and check, NinNin Days is rated 12 ... I don’t know much about Electric Love, thought it was an 18-rated dating type game, but I haven’t played that one so couldn’t say. (But I am of the opinion that surely any 18-rated game is AO, purely based on the fact you have to be an adult to play it).
Yeah, this game didn't actually have any controversial messages to begin with.
If anything, it singles out the exact same viewpoints and the people it offended would usually subscribe to.
I could murder a tunnocks tea cake.
@Nin10Doe Shin Den Ai ~Nani Ga Hoshii No and Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 Scarlet are both cero D which is 17+ from what I can tell and not cero Z which is 18+ in Japan. And NinNinDays is T for teen on esrb in USA. These are all based on google searches I did, so unless there are other versions I cannot find none of the games you list are AO 18+.
@PuppyToucher NinNin Days is originally an 18+ game on PC. The adult scenes were removed for the Switch Version. That explains the drop to T for teens. Now if you want to talk about actual triple X games the eShop sure doesnt have any.
Oh right, this game was a thing.
@Dragonslacker1 Don't poke the bear...
@somebread Actually the Dynasty Warrior devs made a Berserk game that kept in a lot of stuff you'd think they'd cut out. They do bring up Guts tragic childhood with his father, and they even bring in freaking Wyald. The very rapey monster that gets cut out of almost every single Berserk adaptation.
@NoTinderLife Doom Eternal just released lol, what is that game supposed to be then? A Hugging Simulator?
The only thing I liked about this game is the memes it spawned on how over the top edgy this game was and the pearl clutching that came with it other than that its a very boring Postal 1 knock off atleast Postal 2 was funny in its edginess.
@LavaTwilight I don't understand? Every game has some sort of violence and murder in it. Zelda even has that, It may not be human to human but still, it's violence/murder.
I'm actually having a hard time coming up with a list of games that DON'T have any violence at all, unless it's solo racing games with no opponents, or anything else.
Sorry to say but I wouldn't watch the weather network with you bud, you'd run me out of kleenex.
Love to hear a psychologist's opinion. But to be fair, i play military war games. Games where you assasinate people and steal cars. I don't see how people can suddenly feel it's taboo to make a game where you murder characters.
I was intrigued at first, but now I’m disappointed after players’ first hand opinions of the game.
It has been announced for the Switch, doesn't mean it will get to be released on the Switch. Nintendo and Sony have a zero tolerance policy in regards to AO rated games.
The dev tweeting the game running on Switch does not mean it will actually be released. This is a PR stunt to drum up interest but I doubt the game will actually be released in its original form if at all.
@dewokkel it's not horrible played it on PC when this controversy came out, but easily forgettable. Runs on UE4 that's probably why this won't look to bad on Switch.
@NoTinderLife No, this one really is a murder simulator. It asks you to execute a homeless junky prisoned in your basement from the very beginning to teach you how game's mechanics works.
I like how dark this game looks. Will definitely buy it again if it comes to Switch.
The developer’s comment doesn’t make sense because something can be both subversive and “art”. Sounds like he’s just trying to justify making a bland, boring game.
Considering the AO rating was given more for the premise than any specific content, I really don't see what they could do to get it down to an M. Seems more likely it would be a sign of laxer standards from the ESRB.
@NotTelevision I don't find it bland or boring. I like how dark it looks and how hard it was to play it on PC with a controller. It was especially good accompanied by my playlist of Polish dark electro
@DarkLloyd The controversy is that the main character is a spree shooter and he’s gunning down regular civilians. We live in a world where video games are often blamed for school shootings, so a ridiculous game showing exactly that is a good scapegoat. There’s also the part about political correctness and everything being sanitized and fluffy and the devs are a bunch of Polish edgelords who see this trend as infantile. The game’s ending shows that they don’t take the whole thing seriously though.
There was also an accusation of them being neo-Nazis because people outside Poland don’t know who “Cursed Soldiers” were and one dev was photographed in a T-shirt about them.
@DarkLloyd It's because this is a mediocre game that's only still being discussed because of the "controversy" around it. To me it seems like the equivalent of a middle schooler turning in a essay full of cursewords after they got in trouble for being too inappropriate in class. To each their own though lol.
@popey1980 PEGI 18 is a thing on consoles that is the max in EU
in US M for Mature is the max, AO which is adults only is a no go on consoles.
I have this game on Steam, it's a mediocre game and the only reason is it got so much attention was because of cruel murdering (but Rockstar made a worse game on that regard in the past)
Hoo boy. The moral guardians are going to have a field day with this one.
@nessisonett - "Nazi Simulator" sounds more politically angled (and I don't mean current political climate), when I knew a few edgelords back in High School that viewed society as a whole as a parasite.
But yeah, the worst offender for this game is that it was bad. Just genuine bad.
Just hope it gets released uncut in the UK since either way it's getting an 18 rating as that's the highest rating here for games.
@TheLightSpirit because it's a big middle finger to companies forcing political correctness into games?
@Ralizah If you're not reading Nazism in this game then you need to pay a bit more attention. I've seen the trailer, and it oozes white supremacy wish fulfillment. It also lacks artistry of any variety, boundary-pushing or otherwise.
For anyone wondering why this is a murder simulator and something like Halo or Doom isn't: Those games give context to the violence (and have other things, like great music, that makes them worthy of the purchase). This, on the other hand, is just the violence itself.
No attempt is made to give "The Antagonist" any sort of moral justification for his actions. You just kill, stab, burn, pillage... I've seen playthroughs online and it's just as grim as you think it is.
Happily, the above (and the fact that, if you're good, you're nigh unstoppable) also makes the game impossible to take seriously and it's lone selling point - the violence - is rather tame when compared with fatalities (already here), Glory Kills (also already here), or even No Russian (...probably coming soon).
So yeah, it's coming and yeah, it'll piss people off. But - if I'm honest - I'd much rather have other "murder simulators" because they at least try to make an effort - unlike this garbage, which is shock value at its worst.
/rant
The game may be trash but I applaude the devs for trying something different at least. Hats off to them.
The term "Controversial" being used for a video game is usually as much of a warning sign as phrases like "movie tie in", "99 games in one" and "urban fighter". Apart from Barbarian, GTA and Mortal Combat, controversial games suck. However. like movie tie ins, they are guaranteed to make money, proving the old adage about a fool and their money. I'm sure they deliberately targeted the Switch as the console most likely to ban then and gave an unpaid intern doing the conversion just so they can cry 'Censorship!'
@PanurgeJr Sounds like a personal problem. This is standard-issue edgy misanthropy. Nowhere in the trailer does the character talk about racial issues, directly or indirectly.
So if you're reading white nationalism into it, that's something YOU'RE contributing, not the game.
I’ll pass ..I am not getting this ..
The real problem with this game, is that it simply isn't any good.
It is an edgelord game, it exists to be provocative and get money from kids like that. As an actual game it sucks.
@patbacknitro18 DOOM Eternal has a plot and is a game. It has some content and is enjoyable. This is just edgelord crap, it isn't very good and it wouldn't be of any note without the fake contraversy.
"...we wanted to create something against trends." Right, except do you know what game already did that? Untitled Goose Game, except with creativity. All these developers did was take every game that ever involved a weapon and simply removed the point.
@jcvandan well that escalated fast...
@Fido007 Absolutely, that's one area that my wife and I have debated before. SMB1 has a degree of violence in Goomba-stomping, etc. But I think the devil is in the detail. Literally. How graphic is the portrayal? Even MK2 had an excess of gore for the time it was released. I can't even look at the most recent iteration. I think the difference is the glorification of it. Is it a game that shows this to be normal behavior to be imitated? 'Simulation' by definition is imitation of life. Why would I want to do that in real life, let alone a virtual one? There is a line. For some it's thinner than others. I'm actually more tolerant than my wife is in this area of violence in video games. But this is just so far over the line it's not even funny.
I look forward to it. Yes, you're playing a mentally deranged person, but I don't care. I hate the thousands of games where killing doesn't make sense. At least here it does.
@LavaTwilight IDK violence is a part of life, animals killing and eating other animals, volcano's exploding causing all kinds of living creatures to get burned alive, or suffocated. Airplanes crashing killing or mutating bodies. Acknowledging and accepting violence is a part of growing up, if not your setting yourself up to be taken advantage of, and people will take advantage of that don't kid yourself.
The universe is chaos, along with everything else. Being civilized is one thing, but denial of the truth only portraits someone as a fool.
I'm not telling you to buy this game, however if your biggest concern is about stomping on a Goomba in super Mario brothers, you may need to re-evaluate your current situation, that or find a new medium of entertainment.
@Fido007 I don't think you understood what I was saying...
Physical please
lmao 15 y/o edgelord me would have loved this
Doesn't look like it's worth spending any money or time on. Sounds like the developers couldn't figure out how to make a good game, so tried to find a way to get it some attention in other ways.
@LavaTwilight Ok Boomer
@JohnnyC exactly. Taking the whole controversial point aside and looking into the gameplay, the game doesn't really offers much, and it ends being shallow, bland and with nothing new to offer.
@tendonerd That's not it lol. Epic just didn't want their logo to be present in the game's reveal trailer.
Anyways, I loved the game. It's basically Postal 1/Redux but far better, a spiritual successor that nobody else wanted to make.
@Alpha-2002 The music in this game is great. Survival Mode in particular has the most Metal soundtrack I've ever heard in gaming. But even the Campaign's ambient score is pretty cool.
@UmbralChaos wow... original... did you think of that all by yourself? Have you nothing intelligent to say? I've already acknowledged my opinion is unpopular. What more do you want?
Let me at'em.....blood and gore days are coming and those playing COD/GTA or similiar or AC are ranting on this game. Give me a break those games does even worse from violence, political assassinations, to corruptions and you saying this game is bad. That just shows how perverted your mindset is.
They don't allow AO games on console, so I'm guessing this will either be censored, or it's been re-rated as an M, as it was never really an AO game in the first place.
Wasn't this game awful and a total joke that was sold purely on how "edgy" it was?
@patbacknitro18 i remember there being a huge fuss over censorship in berserk musou over things like that, could be wrong though
(not that I really care, not exactly delving into a musou for the plot anyway)
I wouldn't download it if it was free.
Something is seriously wrong with the ratings system when we have Japanese games like Senran Kagura, which are blatantly either very close to, or are just straight up soft core material.. And rated below Adult Only, and then we have this..
@Xeawn
Assassins Creed Syndicate, Evie, one of the two main character choices. She just kicks major but. 😁
I want it. It looks like the kind of game where you can really release your stress.
They should've called it Edge: The Game lol 😂
@patbacknitro18 #36 yeah but unfortunately it got censored here in Europe at least, and the game (obviously) pokes fun at that fact.
I can't recall how many scenes were cut but several were unfortunately 😔
Marketing gold , even if the game is just ok....
@LavaTwilight What a Boomer thing to say.
I bet at the end of this version you walk around the hospital and shake hands with everyone you murdered
It uses the Crytek engine on PC and runs poorly unless you have a really powerful GPU. Not sure how they got this to run on Switch.
They’ll bypass it with IARC. The whole reason it was AO was because of context.
Hell yeah! This game is great!
I didn't know the game existed. I also figured the first manhunt would have had the same rating
Hmm... and yet no MOTHER 3?
@BadBadMountain Which one do you want?
Wait thought Nintendo didn't allow games like this that's one of the reasons they've never went all in on a dedicated Home console since the GameCube. Well if they are allowing games like these they may as well release a dedicated home console with specs on par with other consoles. Can you imagine a dedicated Home Console from Nintendo it would have all their amazing 1st party games plus all the 3rd party games too, released in the 2020s it would push Sony out of the Market and put them back on top again.
If Nintendo doesn't put adult-rated games on eSHOP, then why release it. I would rather not publish it, than take out some stuff, so it's not adult-rated.
Sorry but "murder simulator" doesn't sound appealing. Hard pass.
@FredsBodyDouble Sorry but "murder simulator" doesn't sound appealing. Hard pass.
But your ok with such games as COD/GTA/AC. Those games does far worse. Cherry picking must be in season there hope you eat lots of cherries.
Those who cannot differentiate fantasy from reality are clearly mentally ill.
This game as any other is just a fantasy, a fiction, a fabrication, nothing more.
Having said that- I’m looking forward to playing this and laughing all the while. I own a variety of content (literature, film and digital) at home, ranging charming animated classics, black and white romances, cheesy, campy horrors to bleak nihilistic chillers.
None of these bits have made me into a lovesick swooner, a sadistic killer or a reactionary anarchist.
Games like HATRED are nothing to abhor or despise, to do so would be a waste of emotion.
You can play them or choose not to, that’s your choice but please don’t say those that do are less of a human being for enjoying them.
That’s counterproductive and incredibly shallow behaviour.
@j_whitfield8 You've obviously never played a COD. Some of them have very good campaigns.
The last one had missions based on the Bin Laden raids and Benghazi.
Manhunt 2 got an M rating on Wii though and Thrill Kill got cancelled. I think Nintendo will force the dev to change a few things in the game to get it to at least an M-rating before it gets the okay for release on Switch. As violence as it could be though, the game was garbage on Steam so this is just another shovelware shoving its way onto Nintendo's eShop soon.
@dewokkel Play Agony Unrated
So many angry 14yr olds are gonna be stoked.
Game was barely mechanically sound. The edginess is laughable. But most criminal, it was boring. I had incredibly low expectations, but man. It let even those down. Was hoping that despite being tasteless, it would be mechanically sound, and fun. Nope. Not even worth the $2 I paid.
@Kriandis never heard of that one. Will check it out.
Lots of brains.. Lots of guts.... Blood... Corpsegrinder fisher is gonna love this. Hammer smashed face and all. Fun idea but soyeds like a very poor game. Would play for free maybe
@ivory_soul Unreal Engine 4*
@SwitchForce Actually I play none of the above and note I never said this game shouldn't exist... Just said hard pass for me. People can play whatever the hell they want.
@bluemage1989
I get what you're saying about the "it's art" argument, but I think you're misunderstanding the argument being made. I'm a developer that works in enterprise software. In my spare time I make little games for fun. Are they great? No. Are they good? I mean... I have fun with them, but probably not. Do they have the right to exist? Yes. Now don't get me wrong, it's probably a waste of everyone's time to argue that a game like this is anything but using "shock value" for a cash grab using articles like this as free publicity, and even as far as that goes the only thing even close to shocking about this game is how the devs chose to advertise it. Other games are more shocking and more fun, but I'm not going to be the one to tell someone what they can and can't develop and market. This article is the height of their success... and that's kinda pathetic. If that's what they want to do with their (lack of) talent then have at it.
The Guardian is complete and utter crap, why you claim they "said it best"? Also what's the point of bringing an edited game to Switch?
@FredsBodyDouble grow up
@YorkshireNed your argument is nonsensical.
@nessisonett you sound like a soy-infused SJW. Gratuitous sex is not a bad thing.
@mrmememan is that a problem?
@MarkyVigoroth what is "that game"?
@DarkLloyd first of all, love your profile pic. Second, I totally agree, any AO-rated game with tits is useless.
@MBII Wow thanks, and its not even my birthday! I love being called an SJW by generic trolls, it means I’m doing something right.
@Ralizah The game uses violence towards civilians as a selling point when the devs are Polish. Given that my great-nana used to tell us stories about life in Poland before she was rescued by my great-grandad during WW2, it’s not as if I’m making baseless accusations. Sure, you could replace ‘Nazi simulator’ with ‘Communist simulator’ if you were so inclined but a Polish dev making a game trivialising mass murder? That’s truly reprehensible given the many many mass graves still buried in Poland.
@MBII You’ve written about 12 comments in a row spewing the same mindless trash as millions of other brainwashed morons. It’s rather impressive how I’m apparently a sheep when you’re the one getting hugely offended over a game glorifying mass civilian murders. I’d say that was far more harmful to the gaming industry given that it was already blamed for Columbine and other mass shootings. I don’t even know who Anita Sarkeesian is, despite her being flung at me at every opportunity and personally, I have better things to do with my life than listen to somebody who uses ‘soy-infused’ as a real insult. I mean really? You say I’m a sheep but use a far-right meme to label me based on comments on a Nintendo website?
@MBII at least I have one, kid. Try getting off 8 Chan and living in the real world. You might learn to form your own opinions then instead of a copy and paste ideology.
@nessisonett Nearly every civilization on Earth has organized, institutional violence in its history. Humans are a violent species. So I don't see how relevant it is that the devs happen to be Polish (it's not like you're specifically targeting specific ethnic groups in the game; if this was "Holocaust Tycoon" or something, you'd have more of a point).
Don't get me wrong: I'm so sorry anyone in your family had to contend with something so horrible. I'm certainly not trivializing your feelings about what your family had to deal with. I just don't see the relevant moral connection between "bad things happened in Poland during WW2" and "Polish developers are morally obligated to not create senselessly violent media."
Is a game where you mow down innocent civilians en masse in bad taste? Obviously. This is an exploitation film in game form: something designed to push the boundaries of what's considered acceptable in the medium in order to draw controversy and, with it, attention and sales. Some people feel like such media shouldn't exist, but I think it's important, for the sake of liberty and creative expression, for media like this to push against boundaries. If only for the sake of controversial media that you might deem more worthwhile. Don't forget, it wasn't too long ago that stuff like zombie movies, James Joyce novels, and the like were considered "obscene." I'm sure a lot of games you enjoy now would have been restricted, censored, or banned entirely in the past, when moral guidelines for commercial products were stricter across the Western world.
Out of interest, do you feel similarly about the ""No Russian" mission in CoD:MW2?
Should we be more concerned when people play anime games with teenage looking female characters that are over sexualized? Are the people playing those games pedophiles? What about grown men playing New Horizons, Pokemon and other kiddie games? Are those the next killers? You know the Bates Motel type of creeps.
@Ralizah I’ve always skipped No Russian after the first time playing it because I just didn’t find it particularly fun mowing down civilians. However, that at least did have some plot significance and context plus the game did at least present it as an atrocity. I think the problem with this game lies in the very nature of games. Movies present a character performing atrocities and you can detach yourself from the character on screen. Being the very person committing them while in a game however, comes dangerously close to enacting a power fantasy and I just don’t see it as helpful given the many problems faced in countries with these kinds of mass murders. We’re only just moving away from the gaming industry being blamed for every act of violence and while this game may be seen as helpful for free speech purposes, if more games glorifying mass murder are widely sold then ultimately it might impact other, more nuanced games being sold since the ratings boards could take a harsher stance on all violence in games. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve played plenty games with glorified violence like Doom but in those games, the victims are demons and so it‘s very different from this game, where the victims are innocent civilians. Having seen the mass outcry against the gaming industry after several mass shootings, I just don’t see this game doing any good in the long run for the industry. It’ll forever be held as an example of why harsher ratings and more control should be put on developers’ creative freedoms.
@nessisonett respectfully, most of what you just said/have said is absolutely bonkers. Firstly, this is not at all tied to Nazism, as there is no mention of the main character killing others because of their race, ethnicity, religion, etc.. Secondly, the notion that these developers are especially disrespectful because they are Polish and should not have made this is in and of itself disrespectful being as you are holding other people to a different standard than others. I do understand your sensibilities to violence upon hearing those stories, though I am Polish too. My point for mentioning that is that different persons are comfortable with seeing/creating different kinds of content, even when they share a generally common background, which means that you should not push what you find acceptable upon others and criticize them for not adhering to that. Thirdly, the “power fantasy” argument is very alike to the “video games cause violence argument.” Just because you control a character does not mean that you identify with them or are going to replicate what they do. Additionally, if you find this game fun or cathartic, that is not wrong either, as videos games, like any other art medium, partially exist to explore themes or release emotions like aggression, and that is far from a bad or reprehensible thing. Fourthly, as far as I know, this game doesn’t glorify violence. It doesn’t actively look down upon it, sure, but it isn’t saying that killing is fun in its story. Fifthly, more control does not need to be put on developers/creators simply because others may want to enforce their viewpoints of what is acceptable. People should be allowed to make what they want and not be told what they can/cannot do or be given a rating that essentially kills their chances of selling their product — I think the AO rating is unnecessary, on a side note.
@MBII No, I just think it would be funny if it was made possible
@MBII The moderators have gotten rid of the word I used in describing that controversial game, I guess.
That game is just an Illusion...
This game's "controversy" was entirely orchestrated by the publisher back in 2015 and it's annoying to see it cluttering up my news feed five years later. By no means should their crappy, edgy little game be censored. Hatred brings nothing new to any table.
Sounds perfect for the Switch
@Silly_G so does that mean that a game filled with sex is ok?
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