Game Freak "Excited" To See How Pokémon Sword And Shield Players Respond To The Wild Area's Camera

I just want it to be here already. 😭

When you feel your biggest accomplishment in a game is the camera controls, you KNOW you've come a long way.

This is the EA way of doing things not the Nintendo way, the EA way would never have given us BOTW. A open world approach with a free camera was the obvious answer since the Switch was announced but that’s spooky for GF who probably still wants a 3DS2/4DS so instead we get the EA sequel experience: slightly nicer graphics and few interesting new ideas but missing lots of features and content from the previous installments.

Doing something other games have done for what.....25 years lol.

@eaglebob345

Same! Don't let the kids here bring that excitement down.

My 6 and 4 year old boys are really looking forward to this game. All they have basically played so far is Pokemon Go, as I don't buy most remakes and skipped let's go.

I think they are going to have a blast with this and learning how to actually battle and level up the way we are used to. Now just a matter of agreeing on a starter by Friday lol.

Open world Pokémon game coming 2050.

I'm not cancelling my pre-order, but some of the issues I am now hearing laid out by people who claim to have actually played the game are concerning to say the least. As hyped as I was for the game before, despite some of the controversial changes, that hype is severely smothered now.

I still think I will have fun, but I feel like I was planning on going out to a nice dinner at an Italian restaurant and instead am settling for average delivery pizza. :/

@Heavyarms55 I would suggest Digimon Cyber Sleuth if you really wanted to get your money's worth. It's got more game variety, multiple evolutions for each monster, a better story, it's cheaper as well as having multiple slots for equip able items for each Digimon

But like... free camera motion should be a series standard now that the games are on console. I feel like you don't need fan feedback to understand that.

This is sad lol

Can't we just get info on Pokemon Home now?! Getting pretty infuriating that we are in the dark about this crucial thing despite being mentioned so often...

Looks like I'm gonna continue to wait a lil more to see if that whole '200+ pokes will be added after the main game' thing is true before I decide if I want Shield still.

Based on what we already know, minus Umbreon, next to -none- of my favorites made the cut. Even with such a huge cut, like what are the chances that I have basically nothing to look forward to Dex-wise? Not going to lose sleep over it, but it's still very strange, tbh with you, as I was so looking forward to Gen 8 at first. This going open world was a big attraction...

The bar is really that low lol

@Lalivero "Looks like I'm gonna continue to wait a lil more to see if that whole '200+ pokes will be added after the main game' thing is true"
It's not, the game has already been datamined. The whole idea of that was based off a random 4chan anonymous post. Let it go.

Game Freak so proud of being able to accomplish what has existed for decades.

@Verg Oh shush, haha. I mean I feel dumb more than anything to even think that was going to be true though. Why you gotta be crushing my fantasies? 😂😂

Looks like I'll be skipping Gen 8 for now then. I guess it gives me reason to look up the new pokés, since that was the only thing holding me back from leaks.

So there really are only 400ish pokés total? Good grief this is a mess. 🧐

How cute. They are slowly learning how to program.

...It's a camera. Maybe I'd see where they were coming from if this was on the N64, but who can possibly mess up a camera these days?

@SlowPokemon roserade's hidden ability is now useless...

Gamefreak is a comical company of funny moments.

@XCWarrior My boys were 6 and 11 last year and really enjoyed Let's Go. Both beat it. It was a good starting point for them even though they have played Sun and Moon.

@SeantheDon29 I didn't like Digimon as a kid and honestly I'm not interested now. If my faith in GF after 20 years turns out to have been misplaced and Sw/Sh do end up the massive disappointment some have suggested, I'll just have to learn to move on from the franchise.

@Lalivero

I don't really understand this mentality, though. They aren't going to allow you to transfer your old Pokemon pre-Sword/Shield. All of your old Pokemon are stuck on the 3DS forever. Pokemon Home is going to be used from Sword and Shield on, so you might as well restart your collection. The games look really good, the Dyna/Gigantamax mechanic makes gym battles more epic than ever before and raids are an awesome addition for multiplayer. The story looks promising, the art style is vibrant and colorful, the soundtrack sounds great, the characters and gym leaders look interesting, and the new Pokemon designs are fantastic. The game not having some old Pokemon I've seen and used for years is not that big of a deal, I look forward to new Pokemon in new Pokemon games.

@Spudtendo The game does not look that good unfortunately.

The Dynamax stuff is is main selling point but you only really use it on gyms,

The story is clocking out for people around 14 hours with no real post game content

Not hearing anything promising about the story fro people who are playing the game.

I do hope you enjoy your purchase, in all seriousness. I don't want anyone feeling like they wasted their money. This game seems like a massive waste though and they flat out lied about a bunch of stuff, I can't support it.

I'm excited to see how players respond when they learn that the new Pokemon models used as an excuse for cutting 60% of them aren't actually new - they're tri for tri the same as the 3ds models.

In short, if you had any doubts, they lied.

@SlowPokemon Holy crap, that list is absolutely terrible. No GTS, even further limited transferring, textures and models have been proven to have not be polished, and somehow that is only the tip of the iceberg.

What on earth happened here? How is even Gen 6 looking better than SwSh?

I wish the community could somehow coordinate a boycott on the game like with what happened with the Star Wars Battlefront 2 debacle, but I unfortunately doubt it would be possible here... Nintendo and Game Freak clearly don’t give a single care in the world about the outrage either.

@eaglebob345 You aren't the only one, my man. Glad to see some positivity about the game!

@Spudtendo How do I restart my collection if there are virtually no pokémon to choose from that I personally care for in SwSh? I didn't expect a full pokédex after the announcement of cuts, so I didn't expect to have every single favorite make it in, but this severe of a cut to where I have like no pokémon to look forward to? That's sketchy at best. I usually mix old with new, but without even the option, my interest is shattered.

I have zero interest in the gig/dynamax mechanic, tbh, and I likely won't have Switch Online to enjoy raids, so what is there exactly?

Like I said, chances are I'm just skipping Sw & Sh/Gen 8 until we see how the next game(s) pan out. No biggie really. 👀

I'm just flat out putting every complainer on my ignore list at this point lmao

I love the internet because you always see these complainers being the most vocal, but sales prove that they're a small minority every time and it's going to happen with Sword and Shield. These two games are going to be some of the best selling games on the Switch, they're going to be critical successes, and they're going to sell a gang of Switches during the holiday season. If you @ me with some negative trash I'll just ignore you and take you off the list when Nintendo Life makes an article about the games selling extremely well, just so I can see what you have to say there.

@Spudtendo gotta “love” Haters! 🤣
I’ve already purchased Pokémon Sword, and I can’t wait to play it! It’s going to be amazing!

@Spudtendo I have not been on every single topic trashing the games, but feel free to put me on ignore if that makes you feel better. You basically asked why the mentality and I gave you my take. I initially replied to this topic simply because I was misinformed about there being additions post game, which someone cleared up above, but okay... 🧐

I kinda feel like a Pokemon MMO would solve the balancing & graphics issues caused by having a zillion Pokemon in your back catalogue. Have different regions for different Gens just like the original games and slowly implement more & more with time as expansions; it's not that radical a thought, I'm by no means the first person to come up with it. And yeah it's a ridiculous amount of work to start but wasn't that also true of this game? And you'd surely have a lighter time of it in future while getting a constant stream of subscription money? This is so obvious to me that I figure I must have missed something critical about the idea, would be interested to get feedback

@Spudtendo Oh course the game will sell well, there's plenty of people who, like you, don't care about the warnings or just don't care/know about the stuff missing so they will buy the game.

Personally though, I hope this game flops hard to send a message.

Something something "not what I personally want" something something snide remark because it's "not what I personally want" something something clever retort because it's "not what I personally want" something something jump on the hate bandwagon because...oh sod this.

@Spudtendo Feel free to ignore me too, but I can't ignore the fact that the main story is half the length of previous games, the game crashes and softlocks regularly, it has no post-game, the GTS is gone, day night cycles don't work properly and aren't on routes / the wild area, it looks worse than Let's Go much of the time graphically, and it's missing tons of features from previous games.

@Kalmaro I won’t speak for anyone else, but personally my desire to purchase the game has nothing to do with not caring “about the warnings”. Rather I simply have not seen much to suggest the game won’t be good if not great. Sure we have some posters making assertions, such as accusations against Game Freak, but anyone can make assertions, and I haven’t seen any convincing evidence to back up any of the claims. If you make a claim, you are saddled with the burden of proof, and in my opinion that hasn’t been remotely met.

@Maelwolf have you checked the Reddit link posted earlier? The claims have all be made there with linka/videos to back them up.

@SlowPokemon Bruh I thought I knew everything I could hate about this game and theres even MORE?! I will never be able to get out of these stages of grief am I...

Looking forward to playing this very soon!! A lot of haters but i know im going to have a great time and thats the important thing to me and millions more,

Mods: no need for the insults.

@bluemage1989 I wish you the best, or I would but I'm not sure if you value what I say since you may consider me a hater.

What even is a hater in this context? All the criticisms I've heard so far have been backed up for the most part

@Kalmaro I have checked the link. The videos struck me as questionable at best, as not only is the game not currently out, but we have no clue about the context of the clips, ie: what settings were enabled, what version of the game are they from, etc. Heck, I quite enjoy Witcher 3, but if I wanted to portray it negatively, it wouldn’t be hard to collect a few grainy clips of occasional bugs, or to create a situation were issues occur.

@Maelwolf Well you asked for evidence, there you go. This is what we have so far.

I'm not sure what settings you are referring to. They do mention that there are sound settings you have to unlock as an item before you can even use them.

As for the picture looking grainy, not all of them look that bad. It's pretty easy to see how lack gamefreak has been.

Like how the new legendary walks in place while turning around, you can really see the effort gamefreak put into these new animations. Nevermind that flying type Pokémon as still T-posing, to assert dominance, I guess.

With all the complaints and overeactions every single time there's a new Pokemon game, I'm so glad the series passed me by and I have nothing to do with it. I've been a member here for over 10 years and it seems like every new entry brings so much negative reactions. Now I'm sure, some complaints are justified but come on, it's just a bloody video game. If they have turned as bad as many make out, why even bother with the series any more?.Move on.

Smash and Pokémon seem to have this toxic community that are never pleased with what they get.

@Kalmaro I just don’t see a thread dedicated to negativity towards the game as very convincing “evidence”, with clips and such being fairly suspect as there is little to no information where or how they have been collected from a game not yet released. Most of the reddit thread is just more assertions, which again, anyone can make.

I find it rather silly how people can see evidence right in their face and discredit it anyway they can because they don't want to believe proof given to them on a silver platter.

@Maelwolf They expressed in the Reddit post how they got the info. I'm not sure what else you want. Pokémon games always get released early and data mining has been a thing for years.

What more were you looking for exactly?

And why is it important if the thread is negative as long as they are backing up their claims? That's all that matters in the end, right?

Having control over the camera is something I’ve wanted since they finally went 3D. But I really do hope they take all the criticism on board to better themselves, even if it means a longer development cycle.

They should really take note of other Nintendo 1st party IPs that have gotten other devs involved to help with their games. Nintendo and Monolith with BotW and Splatoon, Nintendo and Bamco with many games we’ve just found out, Intelligent Systems and Koei with FE:3H.

@SeantheDon29 Digimon Sybersleuth is a fantastic game and I am enjoying it again on the Switch, but it also has a fixed camera.

@Spudtendo So you don't wanna listen to fair and honest criticism? OK boomer, enjoy your echo chamber.

You know you've done something wrong when the CAMERA CONTROLS are your biggest accomplishment when making this trainwreck.

@bluemage1989 @OorWullie @Galenmereth this is the thing. Outside of specialist gaming sites, and the people who frequent specialist gaming sites who go to YouTube and Twitter to complain to likeminded individuals who frequent the same sites, nobody knows this is happening. The vast majority of people who will buy this game won’t know any of this is going on. 10,000 angry voices out of a possible 10-15,000,000 sales is between 0.1 and 0.06%.

I dont even think anyone would care if they were aware to be honest.

https://i.imgur.com/uPpPzBt.mp4

Like this camera??

@WiltonRoots 10,000? More like 100. And of the people not buying the game because of it, more like 10. GameFreak doesn't care, or needs to really.

There have been worse mistakes in gaming recently, and companies still don't care. See, for instance, Fallout 76 or Anthem or... etc.

@sanderev lol. If I was to turn around to anyone at my work and say, “what’s your opinion on the National Dex?” I would get 100% blank stares.

I’m not even interested in the game I’m just an outsider looking at this behaviour in disbelief.

@Kalmaro,

Backed up is subjective, all complaints or love for the game is still personal opinions.

@WiltonRoots,

Liar !!!, there will be mass protests outside major retailers come Friday, slogans like "You cut the dex, what next?" will be displayed on banners, people will not buy this trainwreck of a game...mark my words.

@Heavyarms55 One thing to consider is that many of the people streaming online have pirated copies of the game that were ripped from a cartridge, so there may well be issues because of that. I watched a bit of a guy streaming the game from Germany (if I understood correctly, he had an actual physical copy of the game rather than a ripped file) before the stream was reported, and the game looked beautiful, with none of the issues with animations/music/day-night cycle being reported on Reddit. Fingers crossed that’s what’s causing the issues.

@WiltonRoots,

Would that be the same YouTube videos watched by 10 thousand outraged fans?.

@johnvboy This is what it looks like outside GAME already, imagine what it's going to be like on Friday...

@Jooles_95,

There has been a campaign aginst this game from the start, the minority will stop at nothing to try and convince people the game is broken, while at the same time not understanding they are only ever preaching to like minded individuals, so even if they were correct their rants would make little difference to the sales or reception of this game.

@WiltonRoots,

And that's only a small town branch.

It's... interesting how Ohmori's comment regard the free camera in such high regard...
After such comment I expect an high level quality camera control, full directions, maybe a zoom and perfect collision and management of obstacles.

If it's just a basic "the camera spin around in 360° degree" then this comment will become legendary for all the wrong reasons...

I simply have a feeling that many of the haters are simply waay to old to play Pokémon games. And now want Pokémon to be the game they like now. They have simply outgrown Pokémon.

@SlowPokemon What was it you posted that @Zuljaras and @Ardisan were shocked by?? The comment seems to be gone.

@SalvorHardin the EA way would sell you everything they removed back in pieces and completely break the balance of the game for players that dont pay for microtransactions again and again

can't imagine anyone losing thier minds over a look see feature. lack of expectations if you ask me

@Klunk23 Took he words right out of my mouth!
going to use consumer feedback... if they had done that, we would have had it by now

@Porky It was this: [ WARNING SPOILERS]
https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/dv438w/complete_list_of_all_problems_known_so_far_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Game freaks are you guys from the past?
how the hell that bloody moving camera
makes you proud???

@SalvorHardin i'd love to have a 4dimension DS, thanks

Maybe if Team Ninja were as proud of the camera in Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3 it would have been a better game.

@DockEllisD yep all they’re doing is talking to each other and we have to witness it, while we get hammered with dislikes for not giving a toss about their first world problems.

On a sidenote Ihave my copy since yesterday morning, I finished it in roughly 13 hours (because vacation) and my simple non Pokédex releted opinion is, so sad the game is a mess performance wise, bugs wise, content wise (they removed other functionality and moves) and graphical glitches wise.

As for the Pokédex, well magikarp is still there so that is fine but after reading mostly Reddit today and seeing that people are already busy with looking into the code, and find stuff I hoped weren't true, it makes me sad GameFreak went the EA route and lied to us into the face.

Let's hope they fix the performance and bugs issues, because I remember them not doing that with the 3ds games so my hopes are low for that.

But are the games worth it? Well for a non die hard fan yes they are (if they fix the bugs ect)

Otherwise it depends, I just hope sites like NintendoLife give the game a fair score for what it really is and not give it a 9 because it's Pokémon and from Nintendo (Breath of the Wild did deserve it's praise to name 1 game, even while I'm more a Pokémon fan than Zelda one)

My personal tip is wait for a sale.

@XCWarrior I'm sure they will have a blast, but not the way we had when we played it, the games lack content (good Battle Tower, post game ect), but also are way easier while older games were not hard either (something that started to slowly creep in since the 3ds games)

Don't get me wrong, again they will enjoy it but to say the experience will be the same is not true (sadly)

@Spudtendo something something blind brand loyalty, something something nintendrones. What ELSE is usually said in response to a maligned game's high sales? Not much intrigue here.

The way some people deflect any and all criticism of these games (especially how most of it is warranted) it's like they don't want them to be anything more than merely acceptable at best.

@WiltonRoots That's clearly not for Pokémon though you dummy.

Also is no one going to talk about how it's all but confirmed that GameFreak reused all the models and animation?
https://youtu.be/5skcy9AT4pw

@johnvboy The thing I find crazy is that everyone is commenting on how rubbish and jaggy the game looks from a stream that very obviously had lagging issues (it was glaringly obvious if you had the audio on). We know nothing about the story or most of the new features since the leakers did not really mention any details; all we know is that Pokemon have been cut (which is sad, but was going to happen eventually) and that a bunch of moves are gone (though almost 1/3 of them are gimmick-related, like Z-moves). From the outrage this has sparked, you'd guess the previous games charged us by the Pokemon, or something. insert facepalm here Anyway, a vocal minority was, ahem, spitting on the Let's Go games before they came out, and I - and everyone I know - still really enjoyed them, so I expect this to be the same.

@PKBegley Talk to someone who gives a damn.

These games are an embarrassment

@PKBegley @WiltonRoots It seems that plenty of people gave a damn when they were sure the models were indeed new. Now that it's confirmed to be not true they went silent or pretend it doesn't matter anyway.
It's fascinating how much people hate being proven wrong; this comment section is also a fine example of that.

Makes sense for the Wild Area. Anywhere else in the game I'd rather not have to adjust the camera all the time and focus on playing instead. In all the Pokemon games I've played so far, it would just have been an unnecessary hassle. (Except for Lumiose City but that can go die in a fire.)

@Preposterous You're exactly right!
Even the official writers on this site don't seem to want to bring it up.

#GameFreakLied

@Kai_,

Well done sir...

@Preposterous,

So go on, how many people actually care?, ten thousand people on YouTube.

It's still not BotW Pokémon but it will be interesting... The first trailer looked like it would be like the 3ds ones, then in the next one... Wild area!
Still, slightly reserved because of the pop in and also looks like the Pokemon just randomly rotate instead of having some sort of behaviour... But still it will be awesome seeing them in the wild

@johnvboy Do you really want to argue that there has to be enough people for a cause to be right? An anonymous poll could be held among people living in your town to decide whether your house should be demolished in order to build a swimming pool for everyone to enjoy for free. You probably wouldn't like the results.

@Preposterous The poor guy is clearly in blind denial. Pay no attention to him.

@Preposterous,

Never said it was right or wrong, stated that most fans do not care.

@PKBegley,

Aww pay no attention to the naughty man, and who are you anyway?, just another hater in denial because the mass majority of Pokemon fans could not care less about your complaints.

@johnvboy you'd be dead wrong on that, we care alot i mean it would have never lifted off the ground if it weren't for us

@DarkLloyd,

So a few people care an awful lot, that's still a minority compared to the overall sales of this game.

@johnvboy it aint a few people, you are doing nothing more than trying to downplay the issue like its nothing.

its ok to not be blind for a company you know.

@nhSnork,

But again who says the haters or the people who have no issues with this game are right or wrong, if the game sells well it can't always because people are blind, that's very dismissive form the people with issues side, which is surprising when they get upset at people that dismiss their concerns.

@DarkLloyd I mean if it wasn't then we wouldn't speak out against companies who constantly fill their games with Lootboxes, or who bow down to a totalitarian dictatorship by banning players who support democracy.
What we're doing here is calling out GameFreak for lying to us about why they had to cut over half of the National Pokédex and refusing to fix the issue.
And @johnvboy also forgets that there's also a vocal number of people in Japan angry about this too.

@DarkLloyd,

You are trying to say it's more people than it actually is, as I and others have said many many times ten thousand views on YouTube is a minority, you are caught in the trap of taking the views of internet forums as a majority, when in fact they are a minority.

I wonder what performance is going to be like? Gamefreak has never been very good at optimization.

@PKBegley,

I still fail to see how that makes it anything other than a minority, if the games perform poorley saleswise and the wider mass market Pokemon fans boycott the game, then I would take notice, not sayiong you guys concerns are not important, but they are important to you not the wider Pokemon demographic.

@Mountain_Man,

That's bait on here fella.

@johnvboy I never realised a cut in the pokedex would lead to such a temper tantrum from the entitled pokemon elite lols. Clearly we are all just blind fanboys because we don't agree with their views.

@Ardisan @Porky I can’t believe they actually took my comment down just because I linked to a legitimate collection of complaints. How much is Nintendo Life getting paid to give this game positive press???

@johnvboy
I can't wait for everyone in this comments section to cry "paid shill" when NintendoLife reviews the game and gives it a 8/10 rather than a 3/10.

@westman98 How many comments do we reckon on the review article? 450? 500?

@WiltonRoots
Sounds about right. My popcorn will be ready.

There’s another hashtag trending about GameFreak, Nintendolife. You gonna posts an article about it? I imagine not.

My favourite thing will always be the Defense Squad who just shout nothing but "haters" and the like as if none of these people actually wanted the game to be good and have no actual valid complaints about the game. It's essentially the same as a child plugging their ears and shouting "LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!".

Look, everyone who's looking forward to this game go ahead, I hope you have a lot of fun. But criticism is just as valid as praise. If you think people don't have the right to raise their concerns about the game then it's just that. Continue to look the other way. Of course this game is going to sell millions. It's for that very reason that this series will also continue to stagnate and not take a single step toward improvement. You may think that this game selling tons is a win, but all it means is that TPC doesn't have to actually work any harder to bring you a game that has actually made leaps and well... "Evolved".

@SlowPokemon it’s because internet gaming journalists don’t do any real research and feel threatened when a community comes together to do what they don’t know how to do.

Can you imagine IGN, Nintendolife, or any other site breaking down the models like the community? No. They’ll just ask GameFreak about it and post their lies again. They’re incredibly lazy and only exist to be apart of the PR machine.

@Kyranosaurus,

We can't hear you because there is not that many of you.

@johnvboy That's not true. The things they pointed out are objectively true, like how much content was cut out and how much the game struggles kist to load on characters.

@johnvboy Ah, you've become blind too now I see? A shame but I suppose it does mean you don't have to look at the awful pop-in in the game.

eats popcorn while watching the people dance Seriously, I fear in these days someone would troll a group with some elaborately convincing, yet fake info with people escalating things like this just for entertainment. I neither defend or do not defend the stuff as I’m just like one who is about to go on a roller coaster to get some screaming thrills, nothing complicated.

@Jooles_95 "a bunch of moves are gone (though almost 1/3 of them are gimmick-related, like Z-moves)."

So what you're saying is, most of the moves cut aren't gimmicks or Z-moves? I think you see or point then. They cut a lot of stuff for no real reason.

1. This game will sell like gangbusters regardless of its quality. The brand is a juggernaut. However, sales measure profit and consumer interest, not quality.

2. The vocal minority IS a minority. But they're also likely to be Pokemon's longest fans. There's always a huge influx of new players because the primary demographic is children. Those new players don't care about the problems, because for them that's the baseline norm.

3. None of the above invalidates the relevant complaints. GF is a second rate developer with a top tier franchise that they haven't known what to do with for years (Camera control? In 2019? Really? That's your stunning achievement?) TPCs brand management has been brilliant, and super effective.

Pokemon can limp along in mediocrity for a LONG time. I don't expect changes based on the vocal minority. But I do think that despite their abysmal behavior, the vocal minority has a strongly valid point.

@N1ntendodo What are you saying is fake, exactly?

The level of clownery from the defenders is laughable. And you're right @LUIGITORNADO I am pretty sure these sites are paid by Nintendo to not say anything bad about their games. Especially if they are bad like in this case.
@Kalmaro
N1ntendodo and johnvboy are clearly trolls. Ignore them.

@Kalmaro nothing from here. Altho, there may be an attempt from before from a gym list I saw.

That gym list wasnt quite up to snuff over time. Said wrong names about the new Pokemon

@Kyranosaurus,

I said the masses were not bothered, not that they deny or can't see it.

Also, if I were a troll, I wouldve spun your logic to make sure youd have false glory. I would have lied to you to harm you for fun. So, theres my honest answer and I say NO. @PKBegley

One thing I don't understand is why are the graphics so ugly? Why does that ground look like a Nintendo DS game? Makes no sense to me.

@Kalmaro,

As I said I am not commenting on any validity of peoples concerns, my issues are more that the complainers fail to see the mass majority of fans simply do not care, nor are likley to even visit an internet forum.

@johnvboy The "masses" are people who don't typically know what's actually happening. I can 100% guarantee you that the "masses" don't even read news from video game sites or know that even the Dex cut is a thing. If you really want to get technical, you're a minority as well. The only reason these games will sell is because the masses have no way of being informed outside social media and looking through the internet.

@PKBegley,

If this site is paying for no negative comments it's not doing a very good job, and just calling people trolls that do not share your own negative opinion is not very helpful.

@Kyranosaurus,

Again the view from the core gamer that nobody apart from them knows what they are talking about, and you are correct I am in a minority because I too post on internet gaming forums, difference between us is I actually realize this.

@Kyranosaurus Yes exactly!
@johnvboy Except you're winding people up who don't agree with you. The only thing you haven't done to put the icing on top is say "okay boomer"

@johnvboy I said asuch earlier, I think most people don't know/care.

Which is unfortunate since we are getting an objectively inferior product to the Pokémon let's go games.

@PKBegley,

If you are getting wound up that's your issue, you are not winding me up at all.

@johnvboy Then I have no clue why you're being so smug and rude about this. If you don't want the game to improve then that's on you I guess. All you're doing is pretty much pulling silly faces and laughing at people for wanting a better game.

@Kyranosaurus,

Not being rude just offering a different point of view, if that's being rude then we should all stop posting on discussion forums.

@johnvboy Oh god I never realised that "We can't hear you lol" was a "different point of view". God you're sure being insightful and mature about this, thank you, clearly.

@Kyranosaurus,

I also have no issues with you and others wanting a better game, but you have to realize that the main market this game is aimed at will be over the moon with it.

@PKBegley they’re called media trades. Basically gaming sites get access to games, previews and events in exchange for advertising games.

@Kyranosaurus,

That's was making a little lite of the situation I realize, but still the complaints are in the minority, this of course does not make them invalid, but still it's a minority.

@Sculptor,

Now this is pure bate.

@LUIGITORNADO,

Which is why you look at a wide range of views.

@johnvboy No, the ground actually does look that bad. It's pretty startling

@Kalmaro,

Like I have said lots of times not saying there are no issues, but the masses that buy this game will not bother, as they will be upgrading from the 3DS version.

@johnvboy
"I also have no issues with you and others wanting a better game, but you have to realize that the main market this game is aimed at will be over the moon with it."

Let me get this part straight. Me myself, and many others are aware that tons of people will still buy this game, but that doesn't actually change our opinions on the state of the game. What you're saying is not a new revelation or eye-opener. You're literally stating something that doesn't change that we want a better game. If we've already established WHY these complaints are in the minority then maybe that's why people are informing others of them? It makes a little more sense when you think about it that way. Again, I wont actually tell people that they aren't allowed to enjoy this game but if they didn't know about the issues then I'll let them know if they want.

https://twitter.com/GavinDennyVA/status/1194553204060676100?s=09

@KayFiOS I used to think the same thing until I actually tried to develop a camera system for a game. It actually takes a far amount of effort to get a camera system to "feel" right.

I mean, I wouldn't say it's the bulk of development, but I do understand where Game Freak is coming from here.

It's the first game to use a free-camera system and I am sure developers want to make sure that the camera is the perfect for picky Pokémon fans.

If it's too fast, to slow, or has an ounce of error in camera behavior when there is geometry around, rabid fans will be storming social media with their complaints that the feature is broken or should be removed all together.

@GamingFan4Lyf Guarantee that if the controllable camera were done so it feels bad one way or another, nobody would be asking for it's removal but rather for it to be fixed.

@PKBegley,

So based on this outrage, how will it sell?.

@johnvboy Well like Kalmaro said, most people aren't aware of the complaints. So they'll eat it up anyway.

@GamingFan4Lyf I don't think it's easy at all to develop a good camera system. The only issue here is that other games have been perfecting this FOR them. There's absolutely tons of examples for them to take from including Nintendo themselves if they choose not to look at unpartnered companies.

Either way, I don't want to take away from that effort of how making a camera can be tricky, but it must be said.

@PKBegley,

Most people do not look into this stuff, but we will see.

@Kyranosaurus Heck, Nintendo themselves practically made perfect camera movement with Super Mario 64.
Which may I remind everyone was made back in 1996?

@Kalmaro What I meant to say is, I have seen people throwing a grown-up tantrum online saying that HUNDREDS of moves have been cut, which is a ridiculous hyperbole. They have cut the dex (which admittedly I am mot thrilled about, though it is not enough to put me off playing) and removed a bunch of moves that were either clones/extremely similar to other moves they have kept or considered abused/OP in the online competitive scene, and because of this a lot of fans (especially on reddit, from what I have seen) are now trying to nitpick at non-issues to fit their narrative that the games are terrible. GF has been talking about wanting to bring more balance to the competitive scene, and I feel that the removal of a bunch of moves will do just that.

Regardless, I think that judging the game before playing it is silly, and am dreading the inevitable review-bombing that the games are going to get on Amazon/Metacritic even if they turn out to be solid entries in the series.

@Jooles_95 well they removed about 140 or so moves and not all of them removed makes sense (why can't we have return or barrier?)

That Reddit link pushed me over, I'll just wait for the next game, maybe, and pick up the Digimon game instead.

@Rayquaza2510 you beat a Pokemon game you obtained illegally early in 13 hours you got yesterday but you hated it, yet you played it 13 hours in a 24 hour period just so you could share your worthless opinion with me?

Right. Troll.

@XCWarrior,

Does sound a little suspect to me too.

@johnvboy
It isn't. It's a genuine question. Not every little bit of criticism should instantly be seen as bait… That would be fanboyism. I know this is a Nintendo site but come on. Ugly graphics are ugly graphics.

Moving the series from handhelds to the Switch finally allows so much more power to be utilized for it. And they still handle it like it's another 3DS game. If I didn't know any better, I would think that these are 3DS screenshots at first glance. When you look closer you'll notice the only thing that really separates this from a 3DS game, which is the higher resolution.

I just don't understand how they can leave so much potential untouched for such a big series, hardware/graphics wise. It makes no sense to me at all.

@XCWarrior illegaly? Are you serious?

I order games at multiple different stores, to name few PlayAsia, Nedgame, Amazon, Bol.com, GameMania MediaMarkt and many more, and no matter on which system you play them it happens quite often that the game is shipped few days before release.

Especially with PS4 games, no idea why.

Even if you order from a publisher themselves it happens, I've ordered enough times from Nisa EU, Marvelous EU, and Iffy Store EU and even they ship the game early enough so that you have your game ON TIME because it does happen sometimes the mail has issues and the package comes in too late, but if not it's earlier.

Nothing illegal, from all the years I order my games it's nothing new if a game gets delivered between 2 days before launch or on the release day, but having a game 3 to 4 days before is also nothing strange, my FE Three Houses for example came in 3 days before release, nothing strange.

Btw don't put words in my mouth, that's low because I never said I hate it, YOU assume I did.

I am dissapointed and that's something different, the game is a mess and as a Pokémon fan it does hurt.

Putting words in my mouth is disgusting, please don't do that ever to anybody.

What your opinion is is fine, but you don't know me so don't assume you do, I game a lot and playing through a game in 1 go is nothing new for me if it's short enough (I did the same with Luigis Mansion 3 last weekend, great game), especially if I have vacation (you could've asked but you prefered to make assumptions)

Not to mention Switch is a portable too and I travel a lot to my work, and being 2 hours in public transit every day outside of my vacation is plenty of time to game.

"Oh look, we introduced a third person camera! We're so great and talented DD"

@Sculptor,

Some comments are jusr drive by bait, and I have never said that people can't complain or their reservations are not valid, I have simply stated the mass market Pokemon buyers will not care.

@Sculptor I think the issue there is that GameFreak as a whole do not have the experience necessary to develop console-level games with expansive worlds. They are decent at what they do - namely, Pokemon games - but don't know how to make anything else. If they teamed up with devs at Nintendo or Monolith, who are experts in open-world building and can code and compress a lot more efficiently, I have no doubt they would be able to produce a far better, larger game. They were at the top of their game in the GBA/DS era, but quality has admittedly been declining since the shift to 3D, which I think speaks for itself as to how much the studio is struggling with full 3D development. I think they either need to ask for support from other studios who know far more about 3D development, or revert back to 2d sprites.

That said, I'm still insanely excited for the games and can't wait to play on Friday.

@Jooles_95
That explains a lot. I didn't know anything about that dev really (not into Pokémon myself). Thanks for the info!

My biggest issue is just how lazy they've been with this game and how it shows, despite all the cuts the made to keep the quality up. It's just bad.

Zelda stuff are taking over all games lol

I took a look at a video of the Wild Area, and I don't know what you were watching, but it's just another terrible manual camera! Game Freak should just stick to fixed angles if they're going to ruin the free roaming camera like that! Why does Nintendo never learn?! The only good 3D cameras are ones that automatically stick behind the player's back (or inside his/hers/its "head") or static ones designed around fixed angles! I think Monolith Soft is the only Nintendo studio that actually knows how to put a good automatic camera in 3rd person 3D games.

@Kalmaro @Jooles_95 I checked the list of removed moves, and most of them are either the Z-moves, the Pikachu/Eevee exclusive moves from "Let's Go," or moves that have little to no competitive value. The only ones that I think will really be missed are Barrier, Heal Order, Hidden Power, Pursuit, Return, Signal Beam, and Sky Uppercut.

@BulbasaurusRex Personally, I don't see why they just didn't ban the moves then, rather than remove them. Could just make it so that they aren't legal competitively... Though some of those moves were kind of a bug deal. Hidden Power especially, though they nerfed the damage in SuMo

@BulbasaurusRex Exactly. They did mention that they wanted to re-balance the competitive scene, and I think the removal of moves that are OP or ‘spammed’ in online matches is going to do just that.

@Kalmaro The Pokémon games have never officially banned any moves before. They don't even ban any Pokémon in normal online battles. They've always left it up to the communities to initiate their own personal rules. Personally, I think they'd be overstepping their bounds to do so. As such, this is probably the better way to rebalance some things, plus it has the bonus of saving some memory for other things in the games (maybe allowing for the inclusion of a few extra Pokémon in the data instead).

I've never liked Return or Hidden Power, anyway, as it's just way too bothersome to do all the happiness raising or breeding necessary to make full use of those moves on the several Pokémon who require them for their most competitive movesets.

@BulbasaurusRex The Pokémon games have never officially banned any moves before.

Chatot would like to have a word with you!
Joking aside (though it was kinda banned), this is a much worse way to do it, because there are plenty of people who like the Pokémon cut (who doesn't like furret?) and some of the moves.

So if they just banned who was legal, people could play with the Pokémon they liked still and the smaller percentage who is competitive could enjoy their game balance.

Everyone wins. Instead, we have Dexit and a bunch of unhappy people with game balance that is questionable at best.

@Kalmaro Ah, okay, there is Chatter, but that was necessary to avoid vulgar language in online battles with the move's recording capabilities.

As I already said, the cut moves will barely be missed. As for the cut Pokémon, sorry, but it just wasn't possible. They had to cut the Pokédex to save enough memory for everything else. Everyone knows this by now, so stop complaining about what couldn't be done.

What do you mean questionable at best? The game balance is certainly no worse than it was previously and likely quite a bit better now.

@BulbasaurusRex Actually no, we don't know that they had to cut Pokémon to save memory. That's never been proven and we have already found models in game for Pokémon that were cut.

As for the balance being questionable, that's just coming from people who have been playing it so far. Though that's a matter of opinion, like people saying moves will barely be missed.