Super Mario Maker 2 is a game we've hardly been quiet about, except maybe during that whole 'E3' thing. Well, now we can say with confidence that we actually have the game in our collective hands, and we've been digging right ruddy deep into it and learning as much as we can.
In short (and before the eventual review), we've been having an absolute blast playing Super Mario Maker 2. Course creation is as wonderful as it ever was, and even with the slim selection of levels available online at the time of writing due to so few people having access to the game, playing their creations is some of the most fun we've had with a 2D Mario game in years.
It seems to be very much fitting into that reliable 'sequel' identity, keeping the ground work largely the same and just building on top of it with more and more delicious gubbins, and that's no bad thing in our eyes; Super Mario Maker probably didn't reach the number of people it should have done due to it being on the Wii U, but the following it garnered from people simply watching the game being played on platforms like YouTube is a testament to just how much people like the idea.
As excellent as it all is, there are some areas that have been leaving fans with more questions than answers, and we've tried to accommodate that in the videos found below. We're certain there are still some ludicrously specific ones you still have, and whilst we can't cover everything, we hope you find the answers to at least some of them in the following audio-visual-based presentations.
There's a fair bit missing in the 3D World style
The Super Mario 3D World style is missing a fair amount of stuff, but it's also got a fair chunk of its own unique goodness. A lot of it's mechanical stuff like gizmos and differently functioning enemies, but if you're more into just creating whatever you fancy with whatever tools are within your pinky finger, you shouldn't have any issues at all. Think of it like an entirely separate toolbox.
Some courses in Story Mode can't be recreated
Story Mode includes mechanics that aren't available to use in the core creator, and it's not entirely clear why. They're nothing extraordinary, simply clear conditions that require you to end the level carrying a heavy stone that weighs you down and limits your movement speed, or escorting a hapless Toad or two to the exit, complete with their own vulnerabilities. Here's hoping they become available in a future update.
The Weird Mushroom is gone as well
We don't care if it broke some levels, at least let us use it as a standalone powerup! This is potentially due to the random nature of the item, as it could spawn from any block that would normally house a Super Mushroom at a rate of 1 in 100, and potentially break some levels unexpectedly. Admittedly it's not a big deal, but its omission still makes us a bit mopey.
Boss rushes are even more fun than ever
We love a good boss rush, and thanks to new mechanics in the 3D World style, we've been able to create a belter. Rather than focus on the predictable Meowser, we instead decided to create small arenas with more unique bosses mostly of our own design, although we did include Boom Boom and Pom Pom, the mad lad and mad lass themselves. We're still not happy about having to have that awkward door above that second Warp Box though.
Traditional Mario levels are just as wonderful as they ever were
Maybe even more so. Thanks to the new night versions of themes there's even more variety to play around with. In this course, everything's super slippery, making the platforming that much more challenging, but we've tried to keep it fair as well, rather than just making things unforgivable. It's a fine line to walk and we're still not sure we've quite nailed it just yet, but it's a solid start in our eyes, and a hell of a lot better than those 'Don't Touch Anything' courses that plagued the first game.
We're certain there's still a wealth of potential we've yet to see from Super Mario Maker 2; are you planning on picking it up come launch? Let us know in the comments below.
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Next Friday can't come quick enough. Really hyped for this now. Wasn't so convinced at first, but after that Direct and the previews from you and other sites...
The only solo game that you have to pay for an online service to play 100%.
I keep my WiiU Mario Maker, it's free to play there.
Watching Ryukar play the original really gets me pumped for the sequel. Love that guys videos and REALLY looking forward to playing people’s crazy creations in this one. Can’t wait!!
So torn on whether to get this Day 1 or not.
It's not like I need it.
Is it?
@AlexOlney - Lak-eee-tu, not Lak-it-u
@gcunit Don't forget Super Merry-Oh.
Edit: Of course you need it!
Didnt play the original, so can't wait for this especially the story mode
Shame about the lack of support for Amiibo
Can't wait for this second iteration. And yes, you've got to pay for online play. Deal with it.
"Story Mode includes mechanics that aren't available to use in the core creator"
One thing that really bothered me about the original Spaltoon - haven't played 2 - is that my favorite mechanic in the game, perhaps 1 of my favorites in any game - was the invisible levels. They did that so well, yet it never appears in the main game. There were a few others that weren't as memorable, but I don't think the multiplayer let you travel through the highwire lines and I don't think it had those sponge platforms or the fountains.
@PCkid What did you mean by this? - "The only solo game that you have to pay for an online service to play 100%."
Will the game not let you play it if you don't have NO? I don't care too much about creation, I was just going to do the main story adn mess around with my kid sa bit. Will the game not let me in w/o a paid NO account? I bought the bundle for my kids graduation gift, but Nintneod being Ntinedo they didn't have a Family bundle, only the single account. Nitnendo really really hates families who own a Switch. MS and PS are much better about letting 1 console do everything.
Well I suppose if I can't I won't, I'll just watch my kid play. OR join in with him, don't think they could keep out a 2nd player offline b/c they don't have an account. But Nintneod does suck sometimes - see SMM on 3DS - so who knows.
@Cosats "And yes, you've got to pay for online play. Deal with it."
If I should have to deal with it then Ntinedo should offer a Family bundle with the game in the eShop. What good is it to offer a bundle for pre-order, which I've already pre-odered, if everybody in the house playing on the Switch needs their own account? As far as I can tell Nintneod won't even give you a discount for upgrading to a Family plan. So now that I bought the bundle for $70 am I now supposed to to buy 2 more single plans at $20 each for the other people in the house who might want to play?
Nintnedo, in all it's lousy communication and inability to do online properly, may be telling us to deal with it, but nobody needs your attitude in the comments. So F!!!!!!!!!
@rjejr Pretty sure there is a family bundle...
@rjejr The family plan is $35 a year for up to eight people. Also those eight people don't actually have to be related, so if you know a couple friends who have Switches, group up with them and split the cost.
Use of word "gubbins" instantly alerted me that this was written by @AlexOlney after I skipped to the text.
@PCkid How on earth do you 100% a infinite level editor?
@rjejr
I'm sorry, a little bit off topic, but why can't you spell Nintendo right??? You scramble the letters in every possible way, but never the right order. This drives me a little bit nuts, to be honest.🤪 Are you doing this on purpose?
Can you say if any of these have been changed from Super Maker Maker 1?
1. Can we restart a level from the checkpoint now? In SMM1, you could only restart from the beginning.
2. If you go through a checkpoint with a key and die, do you get to keep your key now?
3. Can you remove a star from a level if you accidentally starred it?
4. Is the number of courses you can save in course world expanded? On that same note, the number of
favorite makers that you can add?
@MrBlacky You know, it's kinda crazy that after nearly 11 years on this site that my fingers still can't type Nitnedo correctly, but they just won't. I mean I tried that time, but when I try it seems to come out Nitnendo more than anything else. I spent the first 3 or 4 years correcting it but gave up after that. You'd think by now my spellcheck would figure it out, but no. Sorry if it bothers you, I've had like 50 people comment about it over the years but most just ridicule me, I think you're the first person to ever say it bothered them. I'd say I'll fix it, but I know I won't.
@Adamario I know how the Family plan works, and we do know 1 other person with a Switch, my nephew, so I did look, as you'll see if you continue reading, but the $69 bundle w/ NO seemed like a good deal, $10 off the price of NO w/ the game, as a graduation gift for my kid who most wants the game. Didn't seem worth it to spend $35 on the Family plan when I could get the single plan for $10 when I don't game online and neither does my other son.
But if Nintnedo really wanted to market the Family Plan why not make a bundle option on the eShop, or physical? I'm guessing they hope a lot of people buy the $69 bundle, digital or physical, then cough up the extra $20 when other people want to play SMM2, which is kind of a backhanded way of getting more people to sign up for individual accounts rather than the Family Plan if you ask me. If they have a Family Plan, then market the Family Plan, at least on the eShop, don't hide it so people buy more Individual Plans. That's not right.
@NESlover85 I probably should mention I'm in the US. It is possible there's a Family Bundle elsewhere but I did look exhaustively both on the eShop and physical before making my purchase for about a week b/c I always look for the best deal. I honestly may still not have purchased a Family bundle if it was say $94.99 - ie no discount, Nintneod's preferred method of bundling - but if it was available for sale in the US I'm pretty sure I would have come across it. Again, EU, UK, Japan I didn't look. I know the Switch is region free but I havent' bothered to set up any accounts in any other regions yet b/c we usually get everything we need in the US.
US eShop
https://www.nintendo.com/search/#category=all&page=1&query=super%20mario%20maker%202
Google search
https://www.google.com/search?q=Super+mario+maker+2+Family+Online+bundle&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwizwI2s6friAhXoTN8KHWWxCmAQ_AUIsgIoAA&biw=1600&bih=795
@MrBlacky rjejr Intend? No.
@rjejr I have one space left in my group membership. Octane and Ralizah are part of it. It needs renewing 25th September so only has 3 months left to run this year. For £2 via Paypal you can have my last spot to trial it if you like.
@gcunit Well that is very considerate of you, especially considering the out of control nature of my previous rant, ("deal w/ it" always sets me off, it's a known trigger) but we're good. And it's not for me, it's for my kid. And maybe my other kid. My kids really need to learn to make friends and share this stuff, but I think rather than make friends and share they'd rather just pay the $20 themselves, I've raised such New Yorkers. 😂
BTW, would it even work between the US and UK? You think Nintneod would see that and me like, uh, no cross oceanic families, not gonna happen.
Now if you have an HBO Go password you wanna share, I'm all ears.
But the Weird Mushroom is available as a stand-alone powerup in both the Wii U and 3DS versions. You have to complete all of the official courses in Coursebot to unlock it in the Wii U version.
@rjejr I believe it’s already been confirmed you can play the game offline without a NO subscription. To upload levels or access levels online, you need the subscription. I take it the other user meant that to play levels online by themselves, they still need a subscription. Story mode should work without a subscription though, as should simply creating levels.
No lanky Mario? Why even bother then? He was the best feature! 😂
Those little random things were some of my favorite things about SMM. Randomly finding a weird mushroom. Suddenly playing a fly squishing minigame. Mario falling off the stage then spending a long drawn out time doing stuff before dying. I hope the game still has that level of unexpectedness.
But I’ll still miss lanky Mario, some levels were made just for him and they were very interesting...
@ShadJV
Judging by the videos being posted this week, where they seem to be saying there aren't really any more secrets that haven't been talked about, the only things in the category of fun/weird extras are the sound effects (and why do they always call them "sound effects" when they're really "A/V effects"? Nearly all of them include a visual touch.).
I suspect we'll be seeing fewer SMB levels now, since removing the costumes just leaves you with the crudest looking graphics and nothing else unique. I won't really miss the extended fall offscreen skits, though. Nice idea but most of the time it happens while you're annoyed at goofing up and in less of a mood to be razzed about it. So those wore thin after a while.
So it does seem like they've removed a lot of the light subversion humor, but they may have felt a little repetitive the second time around.
@rjejr I was waiting for a proper justification of thoughts, instead I read non comprehensible random sentences.
@rjejr
I just found it funny (and a little bit irritating), that the letters never ever seem to find their right place. But saying it bothers me is a little bit much, it would say it's more an OCD thing. 😉
@rjejr its 20 dollars a year and you can add up to 8 accounts. Why do people incessantly complain about this. If you truly cant afford it just find a friend and split it
This will be THE reason I'll invest in the immensely expensive Nintendo Online Membership. But it'll be worth it...game looks A-maze-ing.
@Jimsbo You can press A to skip through the random extended death jingles. I think there will still be plenty of Super Mario Bros themed levels (it has its vintage charm, not everyone is obsessed with good graphics) even without Mystery Mushrooms, and they added in the (previously Amiibo locked) Huge Mushroom as the unique power-up. Still it’s sad to see the Mystery Mushroom removed so they could add in the crappy multiplayer from New Super Mario Bros. Unlocking all of the Mystery Mushroom costumes was what kept me playing and addicted to the original game, and so far it doesn’t look like they have a good replacement for this feature.
a lot of the stuff listen were not in 3D World so no wonder they are not included they are being faithful to the game
@rjejr
I meant that on the WiiU you can build your stages (which is a big part of Super Mario Maker) and make your friends play them.
Here on the Switch, you're screwed if you're not paying for the online service.
And guess what, it's even worst than what I thought.
Check that :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oEG1ICHiv8
if it's true, it's a shame.
@rjejr Or... just buy the game and the family plan separately. Problem solved.
I'm so excited! I can't wait till next Friday!
So you can't make escort missions? Good! They shouldn't be in story mode or any other video game, either, not unless the escort him/her/itself is capable of fighting with decent AI!
Any mention of the 30th Anniversary Mario amiibo’s power up, the Giant Mushroom? I heard amiibo aren’t compatible, but I did like the giant power up that smashed blocks and sent the game into CRT mode. It made for some good Metroid/Wario Land style levels.
@PCkid What? You don't have to pay for online to build levels and play the story.
Or did you mean only game you need a subscription for to get the most out of? Because then you have to include literally every game that has online.
@rjejr I don't know if it was you, but I remember around the time I started reading this site, I kept seeing "Nintneod" or something like that, and to this day I thought purposefully misspelling Nintendo was some kind of meme I was out of the loop about.
@BitBoink Yeah, me too. I showed a friend Ryukahr's videos and he ended up watching like all his Mario Maker videos. They're fun to watch.
I've been standing pat for a while when it comes to expanding my Switch catalog. Mario Maker 2, Fire Emblem, then Zelda... Heck of a lineup on the way.
@VR32X He mentioned quickly in the video that there's no big mushroom either. It's while he talking about the weird tall mushroom being missing. I love both of those mushrooms. I'm still more excited about this game than almost anything even, except maybe Breath of the Wild and a new Advance Wars (if they would only get Intelligent Systems working on a new 60fps Advance Wars, please!).
I wonder if they took that warped feature out where everything has a disorienting zigzag visual effect...
@Meowskers I don't really have the same point of view as that message, but it's true that on Wii U you could do everything and on Switch you have to have Nintendo online service to do the basic stuff the game is about.
@Der I considered buying them separately. I consider everything, impulse purchases aren't really my thing, saving money is. The bundle seemed the way to go b/c of the $10 off, making single player NO only $10 for the first year. If my other son wants to play online for another $20 that's $30 total, still cheaper than the family $35, and that's on him. I'll play online if I can, but I'm not paying for it until it makes sense for me. At some point it might, but it doesn't right now.
That said, SSM2 + Family online for $84.99, $10 off like the single account, I probably would have purchased it, but Nintnedo didn't give us that option, the only bundle option is single account, so I bought it. NESlover never got back to me with a link for a Family bundle. Too late now anyway.
@Not_Soos It was probably me, everybody else on here seems to know how to type. Well except Dom, he averages 3 typos per article, but that's a whole other story. 😂
Man, I think I've derailed another thread. 😎
@ShadJV "Story mode should work without a subscription though, as should simply creating levels."
It should, but buttons should probably also work in handheld mode, but they won't:
https://gonintendo.com/stories/338084-super-mario-maker-2-requires-you-to-use-the-touchscreen-when-in-h
and we should have been able to play with friends online from the beginning, but we can't until the update. At least they'll update that.
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2019/05/it_seems_you_cant_play_against_friends_online_in_super_mario_maker_2
So why you are probably 100% correct, this is Nintendo we're talking about, so you always have to be weary of unnecessary limitations they may impose upon their games. It was only a few weeks ago when somebody on here was trying to explain to me that you only need the Individual NO account for everyone on 1 Switch to play online. I had to explain to him that while that seems like it should be the case, it isn't. I had just used a free 1 week trial and found out the hard way.
I got the game for my son's graduation, as long as he can do everything he wants w/ the 1 year account fine, I don't really need to play the game at all. My other son is somewhat in the middle, he'd probably play some levels but not make too many. It will be interesting to see how it all works.
@MrBlacky I get the OCD thing. Believe me I have tried to teach my fingers to type it correctly but after a few years I stopped caring. Not like anybody is going to misread Hedonist (yes my auto-correct changed my mistyping of Nintendo into Hedonist, go figure) as Sony or Microsoft, I figure everybody knows what I'm referring to, so close enough.
And for me, not you but that's ok, I'd rather have Ntinedo than Hedonist. 😎
@rjejr Lol! You cracked me up with that ultra loud and angry ending to the post! I wasn't reading it as super angry. Anyways, thanks for making me laugh. I bought the online service, but understand all the criticism of it. Nintendo should give us Super Mario Bros 99 for free, along with Excitebike Vs 99 and any other games that would be fun that way. Also, SNES, N64, GameCube, Wii, GBA, GB, GBC, DS, and 3DS games free like the NES app.
Thanks for the videos. It's exciting to learn more about this awesome game! I wish it had every damn thing in the universe, but I'm going to love it even with only 90% of the things in it!
@rjejr when I said they should, I mean because Nintendo SAID they don’t need subscription. Only the online functionality needs the subscription.
@Gravitron "its 20 dollars a year and you can add up to 8 accounts. Why do people incessantly complain about this. If you truly cant afford it just find a friend and split it"
I'm not sure what you mean by that. The $20 individual account can only be used by 1 person, you can't "add up to 8 accounts" for $20. The account that you can have up to 8 accounts is the Family account and that costs $35, not $20. Unless you mean 8 separate accounts on 1 Switch can each pay $20 each, but I never saw that number in the FAQ.
https://www.nintendo.com/switch/online-service/faq/
Not sure if you are either correcting me or chastising me, maybe a little of both, but I need to be able to read your comment in such a way that it makes sense to be helpful, and right now I can't, and it doesn't, sorry.
@PCkid Thanks for the link. Yeah, that "no playing online with friends" thing did not go over well. Fortunately, in case you missed it, Nintendo has said they'll add it later on with a patch. Not sure NL ever covered it, I looked but didn't find it, but I may have just been using the wrong search words.
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/06/super-mario-maker-2s-paid-online-mode-wont-let-you-matchmake-with-friends/
https://www.svg.com/153234/read-this-before-you-buy-super-mario-maker-2/
@60frames-please "I wasn't reading it as super angry."
I'm like the Bruce Banner of Nintendo Life.
@ShadJV Thanks for the clarification.
I never pre-downloaded anything before. I wonder if I can start playing next Thursday at midnight while my kids still sleeping to figure all this stuff out firsthand? Gonna be a forum thread I'm guessing, if there isn't already.
@rjejr I guess I forgot I bought the family plan. I wasnt trying to be rude or anything I just think it's a little excessive to complain about the price of Nintendo online.
@rjejr depends on the release. I expect MM2 will be available to play at midnight, but I haven’t seen that confirmed yet. Some games do that, some games don’t until a certain time the next day... but I think preloaded games usually DO work at midnight!
@rjejr Well you remind me of me when I find out a game doesn't run at 60fps or when I read almost anything about the news or politics.
I was hyped about this game but honestly my wallet needs a rest. Think I'll wait for a sale or until the local used game store gets it in
@Gravitron It's not about the price, it's about people who say "Deal with it". I'll discuss any side of any topic all day, as you can see, and I'll try to be civil, but some people are all about the arrogance and attitude.
Also, Nintendo never really explains things very well. And does a lot of things people consider odd. For instance, it's been over 2 years since the Switch launched and MyNintnedo replaced Club Nintnedo, but all of the rewards on MyNintnedo are for Wii U and 3DS games, not Switch games. That was fine at launch, but over 2 years later, put 1 2 Switch or something similar on there, 30% off for 90 gold coins, just to get a Switch reward on there to shut people up already. MyNintnedo is an industry wide joke at this point and it would be so simple to fix. And having to use an app on a phone for Voice chat when Fortnite simply lets you plug in a mic? Letting other companies do what Nintendont is not a good look.
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2018/06/heres_how_voice_chat_works_in_fortnite_on_nintendo_switch
So it's less about the money, more about "Why even bother having a Family Plan if it's not bundled on the eShop like the Individual Plan is?" Surely more than 1 person in each household will want to play SMM2. It's the PERFECT game to sell the Family Plan bundled with.
Sure I can afford it, but they need to do a better job marketing things.
@ShadJV Thanks. Usually past my bedtime, but after all I've spent on the topic today I'm going to have to make an exception to find out what's what. Though I need to remember to sign up for NO first on my son's account. Maybe I should sell our Individual Code for $15 then buy a Family Plan? Bwah ha ha ha ha
@60frames-please "or when I read almost anything about the news or politics"
Only 500 more days until election day. So 501 more days until I can go back on twitter.
https://www.270towin.com/2020-countdown-clock/
@rjejr hey if you managed to do that, you’d be able to get a family plan for the same price as the regular sub!
@KBuckley27 3D World did have goomba stacks (3D Land introduced them!) so I think it's a little silly that stacking isn't included. And tracks were in 3D World, but... pretty different, and hard to move to 2D, so I'm more okay with those not being in.
@rjejr Yeah, I've been off Facebook for awhile now cuz I basically couldn't deal with it. It sucks anyways, so I'll probably never go back. Never been interested in Twitter though.
This game can't be released any sooner. I expect this to be my gaming highlight of 2019. I'm also looking forward to seeing the creativity of the online world.
Not surprised about the limits of 3D World. Its a shame, as i suspect many of those themed levels will be rather basic. The loss of the ability to even stack enemies as well as other taken for granted features like one way directional gates, and the abundance of gimmicky objects and enemies means i probably wont dabble too much in the style. They were probably hoping the cat suit and koopa kart would be enough to wow people.
There is a chance they may update the style with newer objects, but the issue is that unlike the original Mario Maker, one would suspect that such updates would negatively impact the release of new objects for the other game styles or at least split that focus. Not that the original styles arent already packed as is.
EDIT: although watching the video on unique story mechanics reminded me that there arent any blue throw blocks or the mushroom blocks from SMB2 which would have made for some decent puzzle components. The former as a weapon of sorts, and the latter for either plugging up pipes or stacking them for a boost.
Still can't believe they ditched the mystery mushroom. What a stupid move. That was the best thing about SMM1.
@BulbasaurusRex we're not talking about THAT kind of escort!
@rjejr I'm still working my way down the comments so I don't know if anyone else has pointed this out or you corrected yourself but in reply #42 you spelled Nintendo correctly:
"So why you are probably 100% correct, this is Nintendo we're talking about,"
You're getting better 😜
I wonder how people will share their levels this time round? For the original Mario Maker I remember NLife asking people to submit a level based on a certain theme, that might be 'hot and cold' or 'childrens literature' for example. Then we would play them and vote for our favourite level. I hope they do something similar again.
Hang on... no Fire Bros. outside 3D World style?
@LavaTwilight Well I was trying to keep from giving MrBlacky a headache so I went back and corrected that one before hitting reply. 😁
@ShadJV Oh man don't tempt me. 😂 I already jumped through enough hoops to get to where I am, gonna quit while I'm behind.
@60frames-please Twitter is like Instagram but without Sony censorship. 😉
@LavaTwilight That's a poor joke. Although, in this case, they wouldn't be any worse than any other noncombatant that you're frustratingly forced to protect while trying to make your way through a level while also trying to stay alive yourself.
@Meowskers
I said that with Super Mario Maker WiiU, I can play levels, I can build levels, I can share levels, I can play levels from my friends on my friendlist, I can play levels from unknown people.
In Super Mario Maker 2, I have no choice than to pay for the Online Service if I want to have the same experience.
In the end, I'm not going to buy the Online Service and I'm going to skip the game too. I'll continue to play Super Mario Maker on WiiU.
Every console has a paid-for online service and no I don't agree with it, but now Nintendo offers one for less than half the price and everyone moans? They give their NES games to stream for free and yet with PS you have to pay extra for this on top of their online service. I understand if people don't want to buy into it but don't moan about it.
If you want to buy it, buy it. If you want to refuse, refuse. Cuz there's a million things to choose, you know that there are.
@LavaTwilight every console has a online membership but the thing is xbox and ps have so many more online games to justify the subscription. Other than splatoon which I stopped playing forever ago I don't think I've used the online portion at all. Where as on Xbox I play ea sports (with friends) cod (with voice chat) forza, horizon, halo, sniper elite.... so the price might be cheaper but the games available to play online is much more limited. And even the games that allow online support often don't have friend requests, voice chat and other standard options. I can afford the service but I feel ripped off when I know I'll only use it to download levels.
I'll be grabbing this one my next payday. I missed out on the best moments of the first game because I skipped the Wii U, although I did grab the 3DS port (and was bummed it didn't have the ability to search for levels). Looking forward to this one a lot.
@sixrings then you're making a comparison instead of taking it on it's own merits. Would the service be justifiable if you stop looking at what the competition offers? That comes down to opinion though. I admit I did compare also in my comment, but when choosing whether or not to get NO, I just looked at what I got for what I'm paying for instead of what I'm not.
@LavaTwilight the Wii u didn't have many online games either. But it did have mario maker and splatoon. It also had black ops 2 with voice chat. So if I just compare NO to Nintendo previous online effort which was free it still fails. We compare everything in life. Comparing is how we come up with value. Otherwise I'll sell you this toyota for 1000000. Why is it worth that much you ask? Just pretend there are no other cars in the world to compare it to.
@sixrings I'll pay that if you can tell me why I should spend that much money on it by using the cars own features. Let me judge it by the merit of the car alone and not in conjunction with any other vehicle. Comparisons are why many people are depressed, because the media tells them they should look a certain way and they could make themselves look a certain way if they just buy certain products. That's an extreme example, but the principle is the same. The value we put on something should come down to the item in question alone. I know the status quo is to compare, I'm just someone of principle and I don't buy into the status quo.
@LavaTwilight Yea I don't know how one can live that way. Sorry I compare my meal prices at mcdonalds vs burger King, my car purchases either toyota or Honda, house value by the houses around mine, cell phone plan based on other providers. Everything has a comparison to make up a cost. Which is why websites such as Hotels.com exist. So you have an idea if you're getting screwed or not. As a Wii u owner, who plays my switch docked, and who believes all these upcoming games could have simply been released on the Wii u, I don't see the value in the system yet alone the online subscription. People who price shop have principles to.
@sixrings Each to their own isn't it? I compare each item only against it's own merit. If there are cheaper options, I'll check them out too, but only to see if what they're offering is worth what they're asking for. Of course I'll go for the cheaper option if it's the exact same product, but of course Nintendo's online service is not the same as PS online service. So I can't compare them.
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