Apart from Persona 5's Joker, we still don't know anything about the upcoming DLC fighters being added to Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. While there's been a number of developing rumours about possible characters who could be added, there's been no other information about what to expect.
Until now, that is. In Masahiro Sakurai's most recent feature within Japanese gaming magazine Famitsu, it's reportedly been confirmed the five upcoming DLC fighters in Ultimate will not have their own custom recordings or sequences for Palutena's Guidance. No reasoning for this decision was provided.
For the uninformed, Palutena's Guidance is essentially an easter egg in Smash Bros. Ultimate where characters from Kid Icarus: Uprising talk about a specific fighter when Pit uses his downwards taunt on Palutena's Temple stage.
The decision to not include recordings for the DLC fighters in Ultimate is somewhat of a surprise after it was recently confirmed the bonus fighter Piranha Plant received its own sequence. In saying this, the situation is now likely to be the same as Super Smash Bros. for Wii U, where additional characters received a generic sequence.
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This is fine. It happened last game as well and nobody was majorly bothered by it.
Costs too much to get the actresses to say those lines again. No biggy
Now that we got Joker, when is Batman coming?
Ehhhhhhhhhhh..................?
I have no idea what this means. Guidance sequence? All I do is button mash
Can't let Viridi blabber out that Persona 5 port ahead of a Direct, after all.
This was an undeservedly big speculative point in pre-release discussions for Smash Bros. Ultimate. We've all lived without it in the Melee days, I think we'll be just fine with a generic line of dialogue.
That's it... pre-order canceled
This makes sense to me, since I'm working under the theory that Piranha Plant was intended for the base game. But did not make it due to time constraints. Not that It's a big deal either way, since a lot of us expected as much.
That aside, am I the only one obsessing over what's in the spring update?
Hmm it a shame ,but I hope whoever made those guidance segments for dlc on YouTube for the last game do it again
To be honest I did kind of expect them to have one due to Piranha Plant. I figured the DLC fighters were chosen early enough to have them recorded along with the rest of the (new) guidances. But I guess that only counts for Piranha Plant then. Makes me wonder if they deliberately cut the plant from the base roster just to sell him separately to late buyers honestly. Hmmm...
It’s not like the DLC costs half the price of the full game but only includes five fighters and stages with 70+ in the main game.... why should they push the boat out. We should just blindly thank them and praise them.
In fact I’m glad it doesn’t have this. Makes the game better.
Everyone saying this was expected and is fine.... I assume you’d have been happy with generic from that start
Not a big deal. The game is massive and full of nods and hidden references as is. Going to be a packed year.
Not worried about them bringing back all the voice actors involved (as the game is multilingual) and having them record lines and insert that into the game. We are getting new characters, their move balancing, a stage and music. Especially if these follow just jokers model and are all new to Nintendo thet means all that is done from the ground up. That isn’t an overnight process or a cheap one.
Why not its an easy job just to record something amd doesn't take much space?
But even so, its fine without
I’m not too bothered yet at the same time I wish there were more codec calls with Snake and Otacon but that’s just me...
Apparently it's out of Nintendo's budget to pay an actress for half an hour of work (if that).
It's a bummer, but definitely not a deal breaker. Always love some more Codec Calls and Palute Guidance
That's really lazy of them. The game has already sold more than 12 million copies, and will probably be the best selling Switch game of all time. Whats a few extra bucks to bring back the voice actress and record a few new lines of dialogue...
I'm well aware that recording news voices must best costly, but I think that decision appears to be a counter measure against the data miners and prevent leaks of the new characters.
I don't know, they could include the lines in a future update? Sure, but I can't stop to think that this is the main reason.
Can’t say I’m not disappointed, CODEX Calls and Palutena’s Guidance were some nice touches. The Piranha Plant PG was hilarious.
More proof Pirahna Plant is the greatest character.
I want my money back!!!
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Who cares?
I mean, it's a bit upsetting that this isn't the case, but I absolutely get it. The game has something like 12 different voiced languages, it's a lot of effort and coordination to get 24 actors (assuming just Pit and Palutena return) all over the world to be available and ready to do a few lines of voiceover for a taunt not a lot of people are going to see.
Perhaps Sakurai could reconsider if the game receives Long term support beyond the fighter pass, but I'm not holding my breath or holding him to that.
Shame really, I could imagine Viridi poorly singing Last Surprise.
@Stocksy Okay, look here. I’d get saying that with most games, but Smash Ultimate has more then enough content in its base game for a full priced game. The DLC is so pricy for multiple reasons:
-The characters will take a while to develop, so people need to be paid.
-Licensing fees, as it seems quite likely that the entire DLC roster is third party
The DLC will be more then adequate, let me assure you.
@TheFanatic honestly no amount of spin or fanboying over the series will convince me. I love the game. It’s amazing. The DLC model is horrible and a cash In at the best of times. When it’s story expansion it’s hard to compare to base game. When it’s like this you are paying a lot for not a lot especially compared to how much content is in the game.
With Resident Evil 2 remake giving away three dlc stories it shows that you don’t have to “pay for their time” this game has already and will for years make buckets of money.
It’s horribly priced for what it is.
Will we all still buy it yes.
Could they have paid for an hour voice over.
Yes.
Thank you. Next
@Stocksy Don’t brush me off like that. They aren’t just hiring three random people off the street to record a few lines. They’re getting 24-36 professional actors (languages and all that) to come in, sign a NDA, record lines and the Nintendo have to stealth add them to the game to avoid datamining. Call me a fanboy all you want, but with the amount of work Sakurai and his team have put in in the last two decades, I think taking measures to avoid a leak and not waste too much valuable money and money should be allowed. But, you know, that’s just my opinion.
Understandable but the fact that Snake's codec was recycled from Brawl with nothing new is unacceptable. Recycle if must but at least add some new ones to the rest of the base characters that were not in Brawl.
Incredibly lame...I wonder what the reasoning behind this was..?it should have been in voice actors contract to provide updated lines for future characters
If they are going to go all in on dlc characters they may as well go the extra mile and include the guidances as well.
One thing I hope they add in a future update is bios for the spirits. It was interesting reading the history and bios on trophies. (Especially with a lot of them being from famicom only series).
@Ryu_Niiyama that is true besides the spanish dub ugh its horrible, dont know why the mess up so bad, for example Isabelle is called Cinnamon ugh I play only in english because of that.
Well if it’s just going to be PlayStation characters they don’t need to do them.
It’s a little disappointing, but the trick was so situational anyway. Who’s gonna play 1v1 on the biggest stage in the game?
As fine as I am with this, I feel Joker deserved special treatment considering it seems the VAs for the primary confidants in P5 appear to be reprising their roles for Smash
They could've even referenced the fact that Xander Mobus, the announcer in SSB4/Ultimate, voices Joker in the English version of P5 (or how Joker's JP VA, is also the JP voice for Roy)
Looking at both sides; yes on one hand; rehiring voice actors/actresses is a pain and would probably be costly. ON THE OTHER HAND; They had already decided who the dlc cast was gonna be, so why not record them pre-emptively while the base cast was already being done, sign the NDA stating they won't spoil the DLC, then patch in the lines when the DLC character is released? There are cases for and against here. But I will agree this does lead people to believe that our plant friend was meant to be in the base roster, but then made DLC at the last minute.
@Silly_G and a team to record it. And writer's and researchers for the lines. Extra programming too. It's really not as easy or cheap as you think. And it's such a small thing that the majority of players will miss so it's just not worth it.
@The-Chosen-one I believe it's cause of all the different languages they'd have to do it in as well.
@ChompyMage
ahhh i forgot about that, indeed that's true
whyyyyyyyy why would they not do this
@Regpuppy I'm curious about that too. They added multiplayer to Spirit Board in the last update so maybe they'll add some additional features in this one? I hope they bring back Coin Battles.
@Ernest_The_Crab I'm just trying to put it out of my mind. Because It's still a short while away and I don't want to go down the speculation rabbit hole quite yet. But I wouldn't mind some past game modes and minigames coming back. Especially the map creator, even if the maps tend to be janky as hell.
Snake's Codecs were better IMO
There is a chance that they have already made the lines, and the individual lines won't be included in each character download, but in another download(s) set. SilverdudeOmni said it best, Nintendo already knew their choices for dlc, so it makes little sense to not have gotten recordings for those characters early-on. Unless, for the particular vas, who would be involved in this, their contracts only stipulated a set number of characters to do lines for, or a certain set of characters.
I still believe that as good as the game might be(, I don't own it yet), it seems that Nintendo rushed Ultimate out the door to capitalize not only on Christmas sales, but also people signing up to NSO just to play Ultimate online.
I kinda look at it, like Nintendo is skimping. Sometimes for a game co., an attitude of, "we've done enough, they'll still buy it" is dangerous, if that attitude becomes the norm. I wouldn't put it past Nintendo to include these lines, in the manner I suggested above, or not at all. Affect the overall game quality? Not in a gameplay sense, but in a character celebration sense.
Ouchie, if the third-party star power increases even further with DLC, it's definitely going to be a pity to go back to "An intruder from another dimension", what with this being the Ultimate Smash game and all.
A good workaround would be a bit of voice acting only after the final challenger is released.
@Incarta : That argument doesn't hold any water because they would still need to bring in the announcer to record lines for the DLC characters (as well as the announcers of the other localisations), so recording new dialogue is something that they are going to do regardless.
It isn't a big ask considering that the Fighter Pass is close to half the cost of the physical version at retail AU$32.50 / $69) for a laughably miniscule amount of new content when compared to the base game.
Plot twist, new characters (and perhaps many of the old ones) might get something like.the codecs/guidance with the Persona 5 cast in the new stage. After all, those guys sure love to record lots and lots of dialogues.
Well, I can dream.
@Silly_G Fair point. They were already spending money on some of the things I listed anyway. But they'd still have to research and write a script for the voice actress.
I still think they're looking to save a bit of money by not bringing Palutena's actress back in another 5 times.
And yeah, the DLC is pricey!
I really couldnt care less. You listen to them once when games new and then again in a few years time when next smash is announced.
@The-Chosen-one its a matter of logistics and money. Theyde have to get all the various language voice actors back in a studio, pay them for their time when they may be busy with other things, and basically do it for only a few lines of dialog. Not really worth the effort.
@companyoflosers
yeah thats true
If every single other character has a custom quip from Palutena, then I think this is going a little cheap.
I found myself slightly annoyed by something like the DLC cups in MK8 Deluxe still not having their own separate trophy designs as well.
When you make people pay for something as a stand-alone item, then make it special. Go that extra mile. It wouldn't ever be more expensive or troublesome to distribute DLC that was just that bit more feature complete. This does not compare to the inclusion of a map or booklet with a physical release, which can delay the main launch and chip away at revenue.
I understand how it'd be troublesome to reengage all the voice actors just for this, but supposedly the DLC fighters were chosen in advance anyway? No matter the reasoning, this kind of predicament is one of my many pet peeves with DLC as a phenomenon on the whole.
tl;dr:
nitendo pls
Well that's dissapointing. I understand not doing them one by one but once they're all out I think it'd be worth hiring one writer and two VAs for an hour in the recording booth.
Boring and lazy. If a newcomer happens to be from Fire Emblem or any 1st party and they pull out the "No info at all because he/she is a mysterious being from another dimension" again, Ima flip some tables, rather not have anything at all than that lazy quote.
DLC characters x 12 languages.
Gamers: "Easy half hour of work. Cheap, too"
It's an Easter egg that people (who even know it exists) will just look up on YouTube one time and then forget about. Not really a big deal.
I forgot all about the guidance! Next time I fire up the game I'm going to go through each character.....or do a search on YouTube!
I didn't even know about this to start with.
I didnt buy the season pass anyway as I couldn't imagine 5 characters that I'd want to pay the money for. Joker is already of no consequence as I haven't played P5. If it was the other Joker and the next one was Batman then I might have got it.
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