As is often the way with any presentation focused on a launch, Nintendo unveiled a number of Switch titles while others, either rumoured or simply desired by fans, received no mention at all. There were some notable absentees as a result, but Reggie Fils-Aime has tried to sooth any lingering nerves around certain franchises.
Speaking to GameSpot, the Nintendo of America President evidently saw a question about Mother 3 coming, and also tackled the other big M - Metroid. The NoA executive does sometimes string fans along with remarks, but nevertheless his comments are relatively reassuring that major IPs not yet seen on Switch could very well be on the horizon.
Oh, so earlier today I got asked about Mother 3; maybe you can ask me about Metroid. Look, again, I am proud as an executive with Nintendo to say that we look at all of the boards and all of the comments and we really have a good understanding of what our consumers want. And believe me, we take that to heart as we work to create content.
So I have nothing to announce - here. But we are aware that there are some key IP that consumers just can't wait for the next true instalment in that franchise's legacy. Suffice it to say, we're aware of it, and talk to me in a year and let's look back and see what's happened.
With Nintendo having already lined up a Fire Emblem Nintendo Direct for next week, it looks like the relatively quiet 2016 could make way for a full-blooded year of awareness-building in 2017. With the Switch arriving soon, here's hoping for a year of regular Directs and frequent surprises.There's plenty of time for big names and franchises to make their way onto the Switch.
here we go again
E3 better be huge for Nintendo or else this thing will fail faster than the Wii U if that's even possible
Love my Wii U but come on Nintendo get it together
Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice....
I'll just leave this here.
So basically he said "maybe"? I know it's not a slow news day guys so, uhm...
More like "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 87 times, shame on me."
Reggie spouting his lies as usual.
"Look, again, I am proud as an executive with Nintendo to say that we look at all of the boards and all of the comments and we really have a good understanding of what our consumers want."
Talk to me in a year too Reggie.
If I don't see a Metroid game within a year, we will ALL be talking in a years time, oh yes indeed we will be!
Nothing to see here folks, move along.
There's a lot of games that were missing - Mario and rabids RPG, Pikmin 4, BG&E2, SSB port - but it was a hardware reveal, not a game show. Plenty of time for games after launch and Zelda.
I really think Nintendo should have done a big blowout on Zelda BotW before hand, it's too big of a game, and too long in the making, for Switch to keep up. Wait, maybe that's backward, Switch is overwhelming my Zelda U game. Yeah, that's it, more Zelda U, a game worth covering.
Yes. Let's looks back in a year. bookmarks post
@rjejr Agreed they seemed to be concentrating on the hardware, but even I think they needed to show more in regards to games. A lot of people were badly burned by the Wii U due to a lack of support. The presentation didn't help.
I think it should be common sense that there is still a launch lineup to be revealed. But I don't blame anyone for being upset right now.
Or how about: "Fool me once, strike one. But fool me twice, strike three."
There's time. I mean a Direct coming up on the 18th?
Also, I think the first batch of hardware is already sold. It's actually useful to hold some of those cards close to the chest and dole them out to keep reminding people about the Switch as stock catches up.
Though, I do think some more before the launch will also be good.
If Nintendo has anything in development, regardless of its current state, for goodness sake just confirm it.
@HappyMaskedGuy They did that with Smash 4 in E3 2011 but then people expected a trailer for the game in E3 2012 despite development only starting after Kid Icarus Uprising was finished.
Metroid. Only way I see this solved for the fans is both a 2D release and a strong 3D release. Even then I just don't know. Federation Force got buried and the game is great. Other M had some issues, but it did plenty right and nothing as bad as the overblown internet reaction might make someone believe.
It almost needs to be as big and impressive as Breath of the Wild at this point, but that takes many years...
Ugh. Look. I'm a diehard Nintendo fan and I have spent a ton of energy defending them for like thirty years, practically. But after four freaking years of being told "we've got great things on the horizon for Wii U!" only to reach that horizon time and again to find that those "things" that we were promised would be there were just mirages and that there's nothing there but a sun setting on a console that Nintendo themselves didn't even support most of the time, and it's being replaced with a new console that seems to be little more than another lamb sent to the slaughter... it's just depressing, and it seems like Nintendo are determined to repeat their Wii U non-strategy with Switch.
I sincerely want to believe you, Reggie, but it's just hard to get past the sense of déjà vu, or to overcome the sick feeling that's been residing in my stomach since I watched the presentation last night. I mean that thing was garbage. It essentially killed all hype and momentum for this console outside of the ever-shrinking circle of dedicated Nintendo fans who will buy it no matter what. Get some damn games rolling on this thing ASAP, or else start laying off your hardware staff and preparing your strategy for going third-party.
Federation Force 2 here we come!
"It's like Nintendo promised to buy them a puppy, and they came downstairs on Christmas morning to find a load off Korean takeout containers under the tree."
@aaronsullivan but that direct is FE focused.
I just hope nintendo has a direct to reveal some launch games and a couple goodies to look forward too.
@Xaessya Man I hope that's in development! That would be awesome on the Switch.
@liljmoore I was just impressed that it was happening so quickly. If there wasn't more to show in the weeks following, I'd think they'd wait another week before springing it to spread events out. Maybe they are anxious because of the mobile game, though.
@aaronsullivan Oh I appreciate that & have been saying there is more news to come including a real launch lineup. But that doesn't mean a lot of people weren't upset by NIntendo not doing the one thing they needed them to do.
Heck, they had a massive trump card with "80 games in development" but it was mentioned so fleetingly a lot of people in the presentation stream with me missed it.
Nintendo just won't be able to wash the dissapointment out of a lot of fans mouths before launch, even if everything we ever wanted is now shown to us. They could have avoided it by switching out Arms with a bigger property that they're almost certainly holding back on.
...so you're saying there's a chance?
buy the english cart.
beat the game.
put it in yer pocket and move on with yer lives until this happens.
feel free to hit that heart below.
I view his comments positively. Surely, given the lack of Wii U games, they've been up to something. They stated quite a few times they won't repeat the Wii U launch drought...more is incoming.
Hoping they have more surprises on the way. The FE direct was a nice announcements, I hope we get small things like that to keep us interested until E3.
You know the subtext here is that Reggie does indeed know what fans want but has almost no power to extract that from Nintendo.
For instance, we all but know for sure it wasn't his decision to imbue the Federation Soldiers from the Metroid franchise with chibi proportions. Somebody in Japan thought that would be cute and more appealing — and it may well have been to a Japanese audience that is already unconvinced by Metroid, but it was a huge mistake that torpedoed a great game.
Yah I agree, I love my WiiU, but if we don't see lots and I mean lots of games coming out soon at e3 Ninty will fail with the Switch and I don't want that, a new Metroid and F-Zero are defo needed
@Whopper744 dumb and dumber quote? Lol
@BiasedSonyFan I've made this argument myself with people complaining about a full price MK8D... with only 10m Wii U owners out there, they can't just cater to a small portion of the potential audience.
However, there is a thing called "word of mouth", the fans are going to make up a large proportion of the people watching the presentation on the night & then spreading the word. What kind of word is being spread?
Plus it's NOT just Nintendo fans that have mocked Nintendo launch lineups in the past... for the Gamecube, 3DS and Wii U it was all over Sony, Microsoft & even multiformat magazines. The launch lineups were weak.
Look, all I was doing was putting the point across that Nintendo could & should have done a bit more for quite a lot of people. As much as Nintendo can not cater for anyone.. there shouldn't be SO many lifelong Nintendo fans ACTUALLY upset & on the point of losing faith. I am not one of them... but again, I can't blame the ones that have.
Nintendo can get everyone back on board, it just would have taken a little extra work this morning to have have not lost their faith in the first place.
@DanteSolablood That a major thing that stood out to me. "80 titles in development" ok why not show at least 4 to 10 of them?
Now E3 is 5 months away. So we should getting at least 3 ND in that span.
All in the future games look amazing like Mario, Splatoon, Xenoblade 2.
But launch games seems to have been forgotten in focus of Zelda. Hopefully Nintendo fixes this.
While I doubt Mother 3 will happen, wait until E3 to jump to the conclusion that we won't get Metroid or something else that fans really want. These games take time to make.
@aaronsullivan I personally think they should have just made FF a new ip instead of putting Metroid Prime on the title.
All I want at this point is a comparison between zelda switch and wii u 'cos if the switch version rocks out It's going to mean me selling a kidney. Then if I survive that back street botch job then and only then will want more info on mother/metroid.
Looking at this reveal it really felt skewed towards the japanese market, so hopefully in the very near future we'll get a more western focused direct.
A positive comment that peiple take negatively.
Classic Nintendo Life.
@liljmoore That's kind of my point, Nintendo have something amazing but seem to be squandering it. It seems they are trying to be more modern by holding back & pacing news for the last couple of months... but I think they haven't judged it correctly. Instead of hyping everyone ready to keep the hype going, they've dropped a lot of people off the cliff & are leaving them there.
There will be some amazing news to come, I'm sure of it.
This is just Nintendo dodging answers as always, nothing new. earthbound 2 is coming, and chances are it'll be this year. It may end up being announced the same way Beginnings was.
@BiasedSonyFan I've been saying I'm relaxed & understand news is coming. My whole point though was that there is no use attacking people who are feeling dissapointed.. they have reason to be.
It's important to read what people write, not want you want to read.
I mean, you could claim to be a dolphin, but that doesn't mean you are one.
I wonder what comments sections they read?I hope not Youtube or IGN!
@DanteSolablood Agree 100%. What's wrong with having expectations? These certain commenters belittling or even straight up attacking others because they dislike how the Switch is turning out is honestly pathetic lol
@Seacliff I am a beautiful princess. I have the shiniest beard in the kingdom!
@OorWullie Well they sometimes disable youtube comment so I'm pretty sure they read some of them.
But stay away from ign and also game informer. They filled with nothing but negativity
Lol! The comments 😂😂😂
Someone need a tissue?
Just take a deep breath (of the wild) and relax.
Hahaha.....man I read here often and post every so often but I have to post......So many of you guys are so jaded....and I get it with the last two gens being Wii/WiiU.....but I honestly believe Nintendo has recognized that and will do better for us 'core' Ninity fans.
Soon all of Nintendo's resource will be behind one platform and I think they will be able to feed both their 'core' crowd and their cassual affair.
Its so early and anyone fretting does not seem to remember that many launches are rough and that doesn't mean squat to overall success. I think this Spring launch is nothing but a build to xmas when the system will get bundled and price dropped and have a decent library.
Another point to the early 'haters'......This is not supposed to be and never was going to be a ps4/xb1 alternative. What it needs to be is an 'attractive' platform for Nintendo and other games. I think it will suceed at that and here are some reasons:
1. The tech is slick. Devs seem to like it, Nvidia seems proud, and people getting hands on as we speak are writing possotive things.
2. It appears to be easy to dev with Nvidia and major engines on board.
3. WiiU and Wii were GC derrived meaning it been 3 gens since Nintendo made new hardware. This chipset and Nvidia aliance means they are much more scaleable. They could do a SwitchPro in two years easy with 1080/4K that we all wanted now.
4. Joycons will be more impactful than you ppl realize.....think about it.....this is the new controller standard for mobile and home gaming.
5. This is the first true gaming tablet, which also is a gaming portable, a home console and lord nows what else. Wayyyyy more diverse a product than WiiU or Wii or anything they have made before.
This is it for Nintendo people. If Switch is not a hit I fear they will be out of the hardware business. They are leveraging their years of continued dominance in handheld gaming and funneling that into Switch.....I think this will work.
Other M 2?????
So...you're telling me there's a chance????
My take is Nintendo seemed to be holding back a lot of stuff. But why?
You have the hype, keep it going. Why have the secrets when they are already out?
What happened to Pokemon? Mother 3 is being teased and asked for constantly. Where was Ubisoft? The VC? What about the paid online services? The other WiiU ports? What launch games are gonna be available besides BOTW, 1 2 Switch, and JD?
Nintendo really dropped the ball keeping the other outsiders looking in. Hardcore fans like myself are getting day 1. But they need to show a better reason for other to pick it up day 1. Cause every one I know who were looking forward to the reveal are disappointed
@liljmoore Yep,it's brutal over there,Youtube can be just bad.I just hope Nintendo aren't getting their feedback from there.I'm pretty sure Nintendolife is far and away the biggest Nintendo fan site and I think it has over all the best community for the most part.This is where they need to be getting genuine feedback of what Nintendo fans want.
@BiasedSonyFan Lol, a point I've also used. There are so many different opinions that me effectively saying "I know why people feel this way", has led to me being bunched in with them.
But yes, as per all the comments I left after the presentation.. Nintendo has a lot left up it's sleeve & having a great piece of hardware is a great start. Personally, I'm looking forward to one of those 80 games in development being a new AC or FF:Tactics. Fingers crossed!
And my shiny princess beard is still the greatest.
While the presentation was disappointing to a degree remember:
This is now Nitnendo's handheld AND console. Games will all come to this one system so we will never get as little games we did on the Wii U and the 3DS has gotten tons of great games. Now they have one machine to develop for once 3DS is done after this year. Pokémon will end up getting future games on this system in the next few years and I believe it will be successful.
I'm not getting one on launch day but I will in the next year
@BiasedSonyFan The thing is,one of the most commone criticisms of Nintendo is "they need to shed their kiddy image".The device,original trailer and yesterdays presentation has attempted to do that.It's a slick looking machine,gimmicks aren't forced,graphically it looks fairly capable,we're getting a much improved online service.Overall it's an impressive piece of kit and is priced accordingly,not quite a budget option but also less than the premium cost of PS4 Pro and soon Scorpio.So it seems Nintendo have been listening but still it's not enough for many.I do think they messed up not showing or at least telling us about more 3rd party games on the horizon.That combined with the inconvenient time it was shown has contributed to much of the negative reaction.For me,it was 11am when the presentation was on and I came out feeling even more hyped than I went in.
@iNintendo I'm not getting one at launch either.. but that's just because I've been off work ill for a while. I'll pick once up one I'm not minus a lot of £££s!
If they're taking the time to add Online to the SNES VC games on Switch, they can certainly take the time to translate 1 game.
Might you if it sold very well, I'd love them to translate all the Fire Emblem games we never got....
Yeah between school and lack of cash I'll grab one this summer when we know more games. I believe that within a year's time this console will have a decent library of games with a promising future of many more (especially when the 3DS is dead)
@DanteSolablood I agree with the sentiment, but outside of some eShop indies I really don't think so - and fair enough, why would you want to go against Zelda? For my money, Zelda and Bomberman with it's myriad of multi-player configurations - I can't think of a better day one launch for my personal taste since maybe Dreamcast or PSP.
Also, considering how deliberate Nintendo has been in it's messaging since the WiiU debacle, and it's insistence on selling this as a home console, I think the inevitable glut of Japanese 3DS, Vita, and mobile developer's projects will come to the fore at TGS 2017. For whatever p00p they're getting now for whatever reason, internally I imagine they're thrilled the headline isn't "it's a handheld that plugs into the TV."
@Spiders Haha, good point!! I'm just looking forward to importing in some Super Robot Wars, Gundam Breaker & Kamen Rider games!
korean food is tasty.
It's time, Boyz. Nintendo is back.
@liljmoore There is no point on focusing on anything besides Zelda, and honestly I'm glad 3rd parties aren't going to test the waters against the game that's going to sell 1:1 with the system.
AFTER Wii U - TALK IS CHEAP!!
"we really have a good understanding of what our consumers want"
This from the people who thought Metroid Prime: Federation Force and Animal Crossing: Amiibo Festival were good ideas.
Region-free was that secret megaton. I wonder how that is going to affect Virtual Console and eShop titles. Reggie must've been furious when the word came down!
@Agent721 I basically view them positively as well. His "lies" are more what he knows is in the works, but then the plans shifted dramatically as the Wii U tanked fast. Still, I don't blame anyone for feeling betrayed.
@Phin68 I know somebody gonna pull that out...
@liljmoore I see where you're coming from but I prefer it connected to the Metroid name. In fact it has the most in common with Prime due to the viewpoint and style of fighting so it makes sense to have that part, too. Plus, I enjoy that it's in the Metroid universe and observes the actions of Samus from a different perspective. I actually feel that I'm getting more Metroid despite it not being in the gameplay not being in the genre it helped create.
I'm still fighting Space Pirates and unraveling a (simple) mystery in the same areas she is. It doesn't feel separate from the franchise besides playing different characters in a mission-based squad cooperative game; similar theme, mood, setting, story, it has ancient ruins, hostile alien wildlife, contraptions, Space Pirates dabbling in nasty biological experiments, giant alien creature battle set pieces, even shooting doors to open them and seeking out upgrades you can equip strategically.
Problem is Wii U needed a saving throw and Metroid fans (including me) were feeling the gap looking for the next big game. A spin off wasn't going to satisfy a desperate need and many disregard Other M making the wait seem longer. And the spin off has a cutesy style during briefings and briefly when you are out of your mech. Instant mostly irrational hate mob. lol.
Anyway, I'm enjoying it. I keep harping lately in the hopes one or two people might check it out.
@aaronsullivan Chibi or not, Metroid or not, I could write you a long list of problems with Federation Force that in my mind disqualify it from being considered a good game, let alone a great one.
I mean, just for starters, I've never played a "great game" with a final boss as horrendously basic and mind-numbing as that.
@PipeGuy64Bit https://youtu.be/BJEvhi2OlEY (profanity warning)
How about this one?
"Fool me once, I'm mad. Fool me twice, how could you?! Fool me three times, you're officially that guy, okay? You know him. You know the one. You go to a bar, and he's like, 'This suit is uhh... Officially, it's a Georgio Armani. Ech. My dad knows him.' Fork you!
I aaaain't havin' that shrimp!"
@aaronsullivan Zelda will sell the 2 million launch consoles. Then those 2 million people will buy Spla2oon. And maybe a few Japanese will buy a SWitch for Spla2oon who couldn't find 1 at launch. But so far there isnt a game between Zelda and Mario that sells Switch hardware at $299 and no game. Now sometimes you don't need 1 big game, just several little ones, but I'm not sure there are enough of those either. I suppose MK8D and Spla2oon are a really nice 1,2 punch (bad pun) of port and sequel, but they didn't sell Wii U, why do they sell Switch?
Mario should sell Switch at Christmas, the PS4 and X1 owners will be back in a buying mood for the holidays and that Mario game looks great. And maybe by then 3DS is dead? What comes after Mario Sports Challenge on 3DS? And where are all the 3DS ports on Switch, all I've seen are Wii U so far. They must be coming eventually.
I'm not sure I see enough games for Switch to be another Wii, but it should have enough this year to best Wii U.
People with a hacked 3DS are already enjoying it through GBA VC inject. I wonder why is it so hard to localize this software. I'd definitely buy it.
@rjejr I think this Arms might surprise a few people and do well.With it's $60 price tag,Nintendo are obviously treating it as a major release. I think we'll see that getting a big push in the coming months,just like Splatoon had.I'm pretty sure it was confirmed in the Treehouse to have the option of standard controls too,so that will help.I also think this is what Project Robot has evolved into
So in a year from now we will look back and either something or nothing will have happened. Still, it does sound kind of promising.
"we look at all of the boards and all of the comments and we really have a good understanding of what our consumers want" --Reggie Body
There were 2 games that would have made me interested in the Switch. A new Metroid was one of them. Yesterday was the perfect opportunity to announce the development of a new Metroid game and we heard nothing. Hardly anyone is excited for 1-2 Switch, yet they led with that Wii Sports flash in a pan crap. Adults with jobs and money would have been hyped to see a Metroid reveal. There wasn't one on the WiiU. How about we look back at the past 3 years from now Reggie? I'll buy the new Zelda for my WiiU thank you very much. Get back with us when you get serious.
I still has hope!
If Reggie is all about the message boards then maybe we should all change our avatars to Metroid Prime and Super Metroid!
That was literally the first thing that came to my mind. Kind of eloquent in my opinion.
No news is no news.
No Metroid is better than any Metroid.
Next true installment... does that mean Metroid Other M and Federation Force are now non-canon? XDD
((Not that I disliked either of them... just the former's story and voice acting.))
I think because you can't show all of your cards at the initial reveal and then have absolutely nothing to surprise people with the rest of the year. Show us all their games now and then say sorry guys, we're not doing an E3 presentation because you already know everything. Then people rage fit on the Internet because E3 sucked.
Speaking of which, this was just the hardware reveal, not the next E3. And in fact, I dare say they showed more games at this hardware reveal- games that are actually all releasing this year, then they have at multiple E3's in the past.
I mean, we're getting- just this year alone in the 9 months following:
Zelda Breath of the Wild
Fire Emblem Warriors
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (with battle mode + DLC + new tracks)
Arms (new IP)
1-2 Switch (new IP)
I don't know when people started believing a spread like that is a crap lineup, but it just boggles my mind with the thought of what people's expectations actually are. Did people think we were going to get every single Nintendo franchise in history all in the first nine months of the system being on market? That's a lot of games they're releasing over the course of nine months. And we probably have more coming at E3 (Pokémon Stars, Pikmin 4, etc)
Then you look at all the 3rd party games coming, almost all of them this year:
Ultra Street Fighter II
TALES OF game
Octopath Traveler (game from Bravely Default team)
No More Heroes sequel
LEGO City Undercover
Romance of the Three Kingdoms
Disgaea 5 Complete
Dragon Quest XI
Dragon Quest Heroes 1 & 2
Shin Megami Tensei (going to be a masterpiece)
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Binding of Isaac Afterbirth +
Minecraft Story Mode
I Am Setsuna
Beyond Good & Evil
New Frontier Days
Dragonball Xenoverse 2
Has Been Heroes
Super Bomberman R
Puyo Puyo Tetris
Wonderboy Dragon Trap
That Scissorsnips game
And probably GameCube VC, and more unannounced titles. We've got lots of games coming, but no matter how many games are announced it's just not good enough for some people it seems. I do hope people buy these third-party games because that was one of peoples biggest gripes. We need to show our support and buy the games we're getting before we start asking for more
Mother 3 will be released in the west, one of these days. That's what I like to believe anyways.
Never played any of the mother games, kinda would like to play it!
We liaten to consumers that's why we made federstion force...
@BiasedSonyFan and maybe they want to advertise their new IP making use of the system's features rather than tout some future "FIFA Switch" that everybody more or less knows what to expect from by now.
We know two Nintendo games available on launch day; it's yet to be clarified whether we are or aren't getting any third party games on launch day (including VC and possible indie titles like Stardew Valley). Although speaking of third parties, it would also be fair to account for the question how many folks want to get their Switch games out the same week (let alone DAY) Breath of the Wild premieres... :V XD
@JaxonH buying isn't the point. PS4 gets titles like Battlefield and Final Fantasy XV and the gamers there do little but complain about how those suck; we need these games on a Nintendo platform so we can justly complain about how they suck, too! Complaining about just one company's AAA games all the time is unproductive and boring! XD
@ogo79 Nothing says GBA then a dark screen with washed out colors and a low-res screen XD
Yeah not getting the switch. Not listening to Reggie tell me alot of nothing anymore. This system already has the worst launch lineup and Nintendo doesn't want to talk about whether or not they are making the games that fans want? A lot of the switch's launch titles look like cancelled WiiU games. The switch is a hand held console that can be hooked up to the TV, not a real home console.
Nintendo, Why is it so hard to please your fans?? People been asking for this for ages, it cant be too hard to translate it and put it on the VC.
E3 2017 better impress, if Reggie wants anyone to take his word.
Games at the quality level of nintendo take time to develop and we all can agree that we dont want titles to be rushed. Imo the wii u failed because all the third party developers jumped ship early but that isnt the casr here guys. Nintendo has always used the element of surprise too so you know they need to hold some things back for E3. What will your faces look like when they announce a new pokemon title and animal crossing (its due) as well as Metroid, Pikmin and DK and maybe even a ice climbers sequel. The third parrty support is working too so I wouldnt count this thing out yet. The exitement from third party developers alone that i've read has me sold on it. They seem to think this is what they've been waiting for and just gush about the opportunity to develop for it and that says alot from the very voices that assured the wii u's death. I see this being the thing sold out everywhere this holiday season unless you have thousands to give a ebay scalper. My biggest letdown will be if they dont bring the dragon quest titles over to the west on the switch but thats just me. I would get this system if thats all they did was bring the dragon quest series here with nothing more but again, thats just me...
@BAN I agree 100%. Huge Nintendo fanboy for nearly 30 years, and each console is more disappointing than the last. I seriously had high hopes for the Switch last night as I figured they learned their lesson with Wii U. But after that absymal showing I'm beginning to think it's Wii U all over again. I think they CAN turn it around and make Switch awesome but right now it's looking pretty bad.
Sony and microsoft make cheaper alternatives to gaming PC's every 5 years but absolutely fail at every attempt at actual innovation. PS move=Fail, PS Vitas=Fail, PS 3d=Fail, Sony 3d televisions= fail, Playstation VR= fail. Nintendo can easily make all the complainers here happy as all they'd have to do is easily make another gaming pc workaround and use their first party characters on them and let everything else be exactly the same as the others so we can just sit there and look at three different preview videos and study them to argue which one is better even though it wouldnt be able to be seen by the naked eye. This is really all you guys want? Nintendo wants to be innovative like they always have and they've had the only real success in this area as well as failures but the innovation is what sets them apart from the others. If you cant appreciate that thenit is time to move on to the other competitors because they will deliver what you all seek every 5 years with a box, 2 more controllers that are exactly the same as previous ones with an updated processor and graphics card to feed your new 5000k telivisions of the future that have the cost of new vehicles. Have fun with that!!!
The gasbag speaks again.
@JaxonH any idea what the skiing/snowboarding game shown in the montage is??
That's Steep from Ubisoft. It's a AAA open world skiing/snowboarding game, with a focus on seamless online.
It just released on other consoles, to little fanfare. But it reviewed well.
@Niinbendo making new fun ips is part of what makes Nintendo great. Ok I like most I'm sure feel underwhelmed by 1,2 Switch and ARMS but let's not judge them before we've even played them! One of them could be great
Sounds more like he would sooner talk about a new Metroid game. That's good news for Metroid fans, but this doesn't seem to me like he's "Offering Hope for Those Dreaming of Mother 3."
One year is actually oddly specific.
I'm perplexed by people saying this is disappointing. What about it is disappointing? switch looks absolutely amazing. Console handheld hybrid in one, seamless transition. Sleek, thin and sexy. Incredible games on the way. Joycons look like the most amazing controllers ever created...
I remember in e3 2013 Nintendo revealed like 6 great new games (DKC, Mario Kart, Smash, Splatoon, Xenoblade, and... Maybe it was only 5, can't remember). But people were screaming in excitement. "Best e3 ever!" people said.
Well now we get 6 great games shown and it's just a hardware reveal (Xenoblade 2, Zelda, Mario Odyssey, Arms, Splatoon 2, Fire Emblem Warriors) and people are saying it's the biggest disappointment ever. I just don't get it. I dont. Get it.
I understand paying for online is a bummer, the people did say one of their biggest complaint was Nintendo's online and they're actually doing something about that. I remember a lot of people saying specifically they would pay for it if they had to. and they made the console region free which is another thing people said they had to have.
It seems to me like this was a perfect presentation, 5 of Nintendo's biggest franchises all dropping in the first year with a system that looks incredible with a whole spread of third-party games on the way... I'm honest-to-goodness perplexed at how anyone could say this is disappointing. Maybe I could understand someone saying it was OK, but disappointing? Were we watching the same presentation?
Arms looks fantastic are you kidding me? I wouldn't be fool enough to judge it without playing it (hint hint) but judging by the footage the game looks absolutely incredible. The next Splatoon. Nintendo is on a roll with their new IP.
Speaking of which, remember the fantastic company that makes classics like Splatoon and Arms and Xenoblade and the Zelda (possibly best game ever made???) and the best Mario since 64? And that's just the first 9 months.
Understanding that had been reinforced over the last 24 hours:
1) Everyone wanted Nintendo to take a loss on Switch and sell it at rock-bottom prices, regardless of the tech inside.
2) Leaks are generally a terrible thing for the industry, as it sets expectations at a completely unreasonable level (ergo nobody is happy).
3) Brexit sucks - because stupid people decided to tank our economy for at least a couple of years (as well as lie their pants off), I'm paying over the odds for all tech.
So there you have it. I'm still stoked for Switch, more devs will announce their wares soon enough and there are already some big names coming. Oh, and I get to play Zelda at launch. Ban goes a few months of my life.
It's only early days people, so I'm optimistic. Also is anyone else aware that Xenoblade 2 is happening? Xenoblade freaking 2 yo!!!
I like the line up of games coming out this year but let's hope e3 makes this year even better.
I want MOTHER 3 so much. Love that game.
@JaxonH Most of these 3rd party titles are small niche games or improved ports of old games, which many people already played on another consoles and are not so happy to double dip just for the portability. Where are the new, popular AAA games? The system sellers? 1-2 Switch is basically Switch's Wii Sports, but instead of being included with the console, it will cost U$50. ARMS is a cool but unproved new ip, which doesn't look to have anywhere near the same level of content or scale as the new Zelda and Mario games, but yet they're charging full price for it. Also, Xenoblade 2 isn't completely confirmed to launch this year, monolith is aiming for a 2017 release in Japan, and we know how long it takes to localize games like this. Yeah, we have Zelda for launch, but as awesome as it is, it's just one game, and the only totally new and exciting game coming at launch, at least that we know for now.
Niche games are fine when there's enough for everyone to find something they like. Some play these 5 games over here, some play these 5 games over here. Big name AAA isn't all there is to gaming. Besides, anyone looking to buy a Switch for their big name AAA is barking up the wrong tree anyways. I'm sure we'll get some (Dragon Quest XI, NBA2k, FIFA, Steep, Dragon Quest 1+2, Skyrim, etc) and lots of smaller 3rd party (Sonic Mania comes to mind) but by and large those games have their market on other consoles. I mean Im sure others are coming (Beyond Good & Evil, Assassins Creed, Dark Souls, etc). But Shich doesn't need AAA games specifically, it just needs to have games. 3DS is a perfect example. Full library loved by many, not a single big name AAA to be found. That's not to say I'm against big-name AAA, but it's hardly the sole reason to buy a Switch.
Nintendo has said they didn't bundle a game to keep cost down and let people choose what they want. And I'm guessing people like us won't be drawn to that game (although Im buying it, I may be a hermit crab gamer but even I have family to play with on occasions).
Im pretty sure I saw Xenoblade has actually been confirmed for 2017 for the west, but I won't swear on it. I think I saw it on one of those release schedule things tweeted by NoA.
And you're right, Zelda is just one game, but, as @rjejr would say, "dems da breaks" PS4 launch only had Killzone. Wii U only had NSMBU and NintendoLand, 3DS only had Street Fighter IV... this is just how console launches go. It takes time to build a library. We should count ourselves lucky to be getting such a timeless classic as Zelda BotW at launch. But there are other launch games, 3rd party like Steep and Disgaea 5 and Rayman and the like, and it won't be long before more start rolling in.
I think Dragon Quest Heroes and Dragon Quest Heroes 2 is 3 weeks after launch, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is just a month out (and let's not discount the importance of MK8 Deluxe with new battle mode). And I know Dragon Quest XI is releasing around that time too. And Arms is pegged for spring as well. Which imo, looks like the next Splatoon. Finally technology has caught up where we can have motion games that actually work and are awesome.
Splatoon 2 is in summer (which is only 3 months after Switch launches) and that's a huge game. Like Zelda and Mario Kart, probably be one of the best in the library so it's great to get it year one. We also have Fire Emblem Warriors coming and Mario by years end, and its finally open like Mario 64. This is what everyone has beeb saying they wanted! Lots of other games peppered throughout the year, which I think I listed in post 83. I mean, there's gonna be games to play. I know many are ports, but how many of those games did you play on other consoles? I can only name one, and I have like 50+ PS4 and 50+ Xbox ONE games on my shelf. Besides, all these on Switch will be portable. Which is reason enough to double dip even if I did own it on another console.
Ultimately, is Switch going to have as many games as other consoles? Doubtful. But if you're comaining about ports youve already played, then you own another console, so why would you complain about wanting AAA games you can already play? I mean, I want as many as possible, just to have portably, but more than wanting games I already own to play portably I want different games. Which is what we're seeing with Nintendo exclusives and games like Ultra Street Fighter II and Bomberman R and lots of other cool looking games in that list. We don't need a third PS4/X1 clone, we need an alternative that offers different games with a different experience and different features, to complement any other gaming we partake in, not to clone and replace.
He's said this for like YEARS. it pretty much means no. So much for the Mother 3 rumor LOL!
I think it's kind of unfair that Reggie is being held for a promise he never made.
If people want to ask where mother 3 is ask you know Laura Kate Dale and Emily Rogers.Those are the "insiders" who "leaked" the damn things.
This is why I hate rumours these untrustworthy people have set unrealistic expectations that undermine the real reveals. Then they get off with no backlash despite being near completely wrong.
Sigh... Is it so hard to translate a game? Even I could do it when I learn Japanese.
@G-Boy you have no idea. I was lending a hand with Landstalker's Russian fan translation once; it takes a lot more than just knowing the languages. Kilobytes of text extracted, not necessarily in any order of appearance (especially when it comes to an action adventure like Landstalker), with about as much context as you can remember from playing the game... the text has to match the line length, reinserted into the code and tested for mistakes and typos in every nook and cranny to visit (and a ton of contextless failures await there, especially with things like "you" - it covers singular and plural uses where Russian has two separate equivalent pronouns; if that's an obscure renewed remark in a sidequest location from that guy behind that tree, welcome to the guessing game.
And that's a 16 bit action adventure we're talking. Compare the scale of modern RPGs, even if they do have a paid team doing the job rather than a couple enthusiasts.
Oh, and AFAIK translating from Japanese is even more insane since kanji are a lot more concise and compact on "paper". Not only parts of the game often have to be adapted to featuring Latin alphabet where there was none, but translators often face the challenge of facing REALLY limited line lengths or object sizes for an English text. I dare assume it's also comparatively less of an issue in modern official translations where the localisation team can even consult the developer team at times (actually, rumours say Ace Attorney Investigations 2 was never localised partly due to the developer team disbanding and moving on to other projects), but it's still no piece of cake.
I personally think we are already getting a lot of great titles. Maybe not very strong launch line of titles as we hoped, but hey it's always better to get something than nothing. And we all know more amusing titles are coming up. Like (almost) everyone else, I also desire Mother 3 and new Metroid on the Switch, but let me quote the article:
"There's plenty of time for big names and franchises to make their way onto the Switch"
Imagine if Nitendo shoot all their bullets, announced every title they are planning or working on and then released them ALL straight after the Switch release and in one year. People would have not enough money to purchase everything, would not have enough time to play or they would get bored of Switch very quickly because getting everything at once is no fun at all.
@JaxonH let me give you an applause. Your comment basically said everything I thought. clap clap clap
@MasterGraveheart no idea about Other M but I'm pretty confident Federation Force is a conspicuous spinoff, a satellite entry. Flagship entries are another thing, just like with numbered Final Fantasies and the many side projects. It has little to do with "canon" which can encompass everything officially created and/or approved as opposed to fan works and bootlegs.
He does sound like he's reading from a magic 8 ball a lot of the tome, doesn't he?
I'm not sure many people are going to believe you Reggie. We've heard the salesman spiel before and we know how it ends.
Cool so if you're aware of what fans want you'll be all over a new F-Zero then yeah?
Metriod at e3 then.
As usual, folks expect all the software news now and its completely understandable given Nintendo's recent history.
That presentation on Thursday was not E3 though, it was focusing on hardware details. The Switch seems to be aiming for a year-long launch window that ends with Mario Odyssey, I'll wait for more news and not expect the entire 2017 roster to be revealed 12 days into the year.
Great for starting a discussion, but Reggie said nothing more than he ever does. He's always been a snake oil salesman, willing to say whatever it takes to make the sale, but he's slippery. Right now, I would not count on Mother 3 and Metroid is at least a year or more off, if it happens.
Sorry, I'm sick and tired of the "Reggie Years." NOA's inventory management and promotional campaigns have been terrible for years under his management. He's been much better at promoting himself than he has been promoting Nintendo.
I'm positive the reason they hold back during Wii U days is because of hardware limitations. They made a gamble and dang it sure failed big time, with all the 3rd party games drought and a hardware with different architecture. Now we just have to wait and see, but all in all I'm so sure they'll try their best to deliver this time. Its a good start guys.
"There's plenty of time for big names and franchises to make their way onto the Switch."
I hate to be mean, but the same thing was said about the Wii-U at launch and over the past two years. EA, Activision, Square, and many other companies simply are NOT bringing their AAA titles to the Switch. EVER.
Unless the Switch becomes an unexpected hit, like the Wii was, there will be no economic incentive to put in the time and effort to convert titles to the system. It's not as powerful as an XBOX One or PS4, therefore any games would have to be ported to work properly.
The Switch is yet another gimmick from Nintendo. There, I said it. The JoyCons are ridiculously expensive and the motion controls are yet another return to the Wii-U. How many people want to do gesture-based gaming anymore, as demoed in the boxing title for Switch? Do you see Grandma and Grandpa buying a switch to play with their grandchildren?
The Switch will sell only to the hardcore Nintendo players who enjoy games like Zelda and Mario. That is a shrinking audience. Many consumers have nostalgic feelings about Nintendo, and will gladly go back and play classic titles as on the NES Classic Mini, but I strongly suspect that most have moved on. If I want portable gaming, even if it's not as good, I have my cell phone. If I want a home console, I want AAA titles that look great on my TV, so I'd buy an XB1 or PS4. (The XB1s doubling as a nifty Ultra Bluray Player.)
The Switch is Nintendo's Dreamcast and there will be little, if any 3rd party support aside from the titles Nintendo has to co-sponsor (like Square's weird entry), in the Switch's future.
It would have helped a heap if they gave a list of launch games and a list of games and there excepted release windows for the year. They really have to go all in on this, and if this is all in then we have a major problem. I will love the switch to death but how many do they have to sell to stay a viable company? Half the people that were going to by a switch watched the presentation and were put off because Zelda was the only game they wanted. I have no doubt that a year from now it will have a good library of games and for a new console that's normal but To many people are going around right now saying "well Nintendos last chance just went out the window due to not enough games" we just have to hang in there and the games will come but I just hope enough people are willing to see this through.
@canucksfan989 totally agree dude. they are far from cutting it right now.
In a year's time he'll say the exact same thing. New Nintendo console, old Nintendo problems.
@AirElephant Uhm... a side note: I'm not the one who said that sentence though, I only quoted the article XD
Funny you say that cause I have non-Nintendo friends jumping in too. At least one for sure, maybe two. People who haven't owned a Nintendo console in 20 years.
I don't know what the deal is with the fanbase anymore. This is the coolest console I've seen in decades, with some of the biggest games coming year one and two of them are possibly the best Nintendo games I've ever seen- one of them maybe the best video game I've ever seen in my entire life. And I understand that it's not perfect but my goodness, people saying it's a disaster and it's horrible and it's gonna fail...
It's like watching a beautiful sunset, and then watching every single person around you curse at it and spit and smack it across the face and say how ugly and horrid it is. Yet if you just ask a normal person who doesn't stock video game sites they'll tell you it's amazing.
Who cares. ZELDA!
@nhSnork You can always try.
We should all know by now how Nintendo does things. They never announce everything they're working on, so it is safe to assume they are indeed working on other games. It wouldn't be a good idea to just throw Zelda, Metroid and Mother 3 on the same day. You have to manage the big hitters.
"Huge Nintendo fanboy for nearly 30 years, and each console is more disappointing than the last. I seriously had high hopes for the Switch last night as I figured they learned their lesson with Wii U. But after that absymal showing I'm beginning to think it's Wii U all over again. I think they CAN turn it around and make Switch awesome but right now it's looking pretty bad."
Absolutely agree. Nice summary. I think there was a lot of goodwill and optimism out there before that presentation and they blew it. It's still fixable but that was their biggest and best chance gone.
Because that is Ninty for you. They don't give sneakpeaks or anything, they just slap you with the game and you just sit front of your comp stunned.
pokes Link Between Worlds and Majora's Mask 3D
I take that approach any day over 2-yr-long-hype or sumthing cough GTAV cough
People forget around here - isn't there an E3 coming up? Don't you think they would keep a few things up their sleeve for that?
I'm sure there'll be some scowling white man with stubble taking cover behind some rubble games pencilled in somewhere for that "AAA" fix. But there's no point showing that in a Japanese presentation because Japanese people don't like those games.
@nhSnork Loved Landstalker....classic game!
@JaxonH While I love all the great titles (all those great RPG's something the WiiU needed) coming to the first couple of months. I have no problem waiting. While I wasn't really disappointed with the presentation I know a lot of others who were.
The lack of launch titles and payed online is the major kicker for most.(not for me since I pay for PS+) and everyone and their mothers are super impatient for some strange reason.
I think Nintendo has some big Surprises in store for us, But I did feel like they held so much back during this. Your right in don't show all your cards, but give out a couple of teasers.
Over 80 titles in development why not show 4-10 of them.
But I'm a patient guy and can wait for Nintendo to show us what else they have in store for us
I do like the launch window lineup for the Switch, they've got a few big heavy hitters like BotW, Mario Odyssey, and Splatoon 2, but they really do need to offer more than just PR at this point. We've been getting PR for years, and if they really understood what the fans wanted, we'd have announcements for those games by now.
It seems more like they just don't care. Metroid especially has been completely abused in the last 10 years and whenever they could be bothered to even make one they've been avoiding the type of gameplay people want out of it and they've been rejecting projects that actually provide traditional Metroid game. And then when people were all expecting Prime 4 and we get FF instead, whoops, they couldn't put a team together and no one is actually working on one as of 2015. Does that sound like a company that cares about the fanbase and is going to be ready to announce the game in a year? Nope, that sounds more like a company that's trying to stall the fanbase until they just give up asking. What we need to do is get louder and constantly bug them for a Metroid game until they get sick of hearing it. That's the only way things get done in this industry.
If you're reading this Reggie/Nintendo Japan, my wishlist is:
Metroid Prime 4, New Wave Race, New Pilotwings (more than a demo like the 3DS game was), New Mario RPG...
Mother 3 was released in 2006, wasn't it? I'd love to see it on a Nintendo system in the west, sure, but this cannot seriously be what we are talking about in context of the Switch presentation. If anything, we ought to be talking about Mother 4, incl. Mother 3 as a free gift. Teasing us with Mother 3 is a) cruel beyond reason and b) at this point in time, utterly and totally ridiculous.
The irony is really thick here, with the Switch kind of marketing itself on a notion of "flexibility" while Mother 3's lack of release is really above all an enduring piece of evidence for the significant lack of flexibility on Nintendo's part for the - at the very least - last decade no less.
I mean, if it were to take the release of the Switch to bring Mother 3 officially west, that would really only show that it takes a fight for survival for Nintendo to find it in it's heart to show a modicum of flexibility. Basically ... if you want us to be less stubborn, you'd better put a gun to our head, 'cos no, we are not going to be moved neither by pleading nor by reasoning - no, sir!
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Just because you don't understand how business works, doesn't make him a liar. However, you calling him a liar makes you a disgrace.
Well they got 1 year to do something about it
Oh for goodness' sake. So much negativity. Everything I have seen about the hardware tells me it's amazing. Even the negative articles have said the hardware itself is impressive. But everyone is whinging about lack of games.
I missed out on the Wii U, so I'm happy paying for Wii U ports/remasters on a new system I intend to buy at launch. There are plenty of games that interest me coming to the Switch, both at launch and later on in the year. Zelda will keep me busy (along with DQ 7&8 and Ever Oasis on 3DS), as will Lego City Undercover later on. Then there will be Rime, I am Setsuna, probably Project Octopath, maybe Mario Odyssey and a bunch of other games. And that's all before Christmas.
Seems to me that some people want everything, they want it now, and if what they want isn't available at launch then not only will they not buy at launch, they insist they will not buy at all. Really, if there isn't a game you want at launch, then wait until there is a game you want. The console will be available on days other than launch day, you know.
@JaxonH If you're not working for them already, you should go apply for Nintendo's marketing team. You're working harder than they are to promote and their defend their products, and you (probably) aren't even being paid for it!
So far the majority of negativity seems to be forgetting that E3 is in June. So 5 months away and 3 months after the Switch launches. After that is Gamecom in August and the Tokyo Game Show in September. Obviously Nintendo isn't going to be at all of those shows but 3rd parties are.
Also, how many multi platform 3rd party games do people really expect to be released on the Switch 6 months before the Autumn/Winter release window most 3rd party games are released in? Rayman Legends showed us that if a 3rd party decides to release a game across multiple platforms, unless money has changed hands for timed exclusivity, they will wait and release all platforms at the same time. I doubt EA would have released FIFA18 on Switch 6 months early.
I think it's a bit premature to say all these games coming out are the best iterations. Certainly Zelda and Mario look good, but best versions to date? I'm skeptical buy will be pleased if this turns out to be true.
Is JasonH Reggie? No, can't be. Reggie's not that good at his job.
I watched him troll the queue outside my store on Wii u launch night and say to fan what do you want! One said GameCube games on vc and he said there coming! This was 5 years ago
I really don't get how instead of focusing on the new games coming out, people are moaning about old games or franchises that don't sell well anyway. I get being a fan of something niche, but this is getting ridiculous. Honestly I think Nintendo should just dump the wiiu jpn version of mother 3 on the eshop and tell gamers to have at it since they want it so badly.
In the meantime I'll be looking forward to many of the games on that long list @JaxonH posted.
...Also I am mildly annoyed that Ubisoft figured out a way to trick me into buying Steep. I skipped it because I didn't like the persistent online, but since I know I'll be paying for Nintendo online anyway....Hey Ubi, if you want to pull that with For Honor I won't be mad...I am skipping that one to due to the online requirement.
A few points:
The price outside of Japan is definitely too high. The Japanese MSRP was announced to be about ¥29,500, which converts to US$256.44. So they should have given it a US$250 price tag, but instead, they're overpricing it unnecessarily. They're even further overpricing it in the UK, at £280+, which is an outrageous US$341.66. The NS is going to be overpriced at launch, just like the 3DS was. Personally, I wouldn't get it locally until it gets a price drop to match the Japanese MSRP- in other words, holiday 2017 at the earliest. I think a lot of people are going to take advantage of it being region free...
As for the lineup, I'm definitely excited for Shin Megami Tensei 5, Xenoblade 2, No More Heroes 3, Beyond Good and Evil 2, and Dragon Quest XI (X is an MMO, so it's probably not coming outside of Japan). With this being the next big portable console in Japan, I'm sure it will become the next RPG powerhouse in the future, so I absolutely want to get it. There's just one problem...
None of these things are going to be available anywhere near launch.
So yeah, this is definitely a console that I would wait before considering getting until after seeing the full lineup at E3 2017. (Not to mention, wait for a price drop, so Nintendo will be forced to match the console prices outside of Japan with the Japanese MSRP.)
One more thing, and this could be the most important part: anyone who hasn't done so yet, take a look at the videos of what 1, 2, Switch (Fail) really is. Then contact Nintendo, and tell them to cancel that crap. It's an embarrassment, and I'm glad it's not being bundled with the system. Nintendo cannot afford to allow that trash to tarnish the system's image at the retail stores.
As soon as most people see 1, 2, Switch (Fail) has a minigame where you pretend to milk cows (or other biological life forms, using your imagination), or the one where you pretend to quickly chomp your teeth on something in front of the Joy-Con sensor, or even the one where you completely face away from the display/screen and pretend to attempt to hit an imaginary ping pong ball back and forth with another player, this thing is going to get lambasted left and right. It's a scandal waiting to happen- give Nintendo feedback that this "game" must not make it out into the market... or at least, it must not be given promotion, so it can be quickly forgotten. It's actually worse than Wii Play or Wii Music, and that's saying something...
And it's slated to be one of the few things at launch that the general public will get their first impression from of Nintendo's newest console.
@PlywoodStick Politics are the likely reason of the pricing. The pound went into the gutter when Brexit happened and I wouldn't be surprised if the dollar goes into the gutter in the near future.
@Grumblevolcano Well, I'm going by what the emotionally unaffected conversion calculator says in this case. No imaginary, entirely human-created and human-caused manufactured crises involved. The NS is just flat out overpriced outside of Japan, no excuses needed.
@BiasedSonyFan I wish it were that simple. It doesn't affect me, though- it affects public perception at launch. The initial run will sell out for the first month or two, but what about after that? The better the system can be colored, the better the chances it won't suffer the same fate as the Wii U. (Outside of Japan, anyways- the NS will range between doing very well and ridiculously well in Japan.)
@BiasedSonyFan Have you seen 1, 2, Switch in action? Just Dance is a godlike masterpiece by comparison. I wish it were instead a Just Dance, or a Wii Sports, or a Nintendo Land.
I don't know about you, but I don't think I've ever met the "pretend to milk cows (or other lifeforms), pretend to eat your controller, pretend to play a tennis game with no visual representation of what you're doing" crowd before... If anyone wants to do those things (I won't judge), use your imagination- that's free.
@BiasedSonyFan Alright, then... Just don't be surprised when the national news headlines come out...
"Prominent Celebrity Caught Pretending to Jerk Off in Public Using Nintendo Switch Game... Parents Outraged."
"Respected Prominent Businessman Caught Eating Controller... Stocks Dive"
"Player at Game Store Accidentally Hits Other Player During Imaginary Ping Pong Match... Gets Sued."
(This is hyperbole, but still, lol )
You know what... Maybe this will be fun... I can't wait to see the memes and jokes at Nintendo's expense!
@cleveland124 I know, right? If I didn't know any better, I'd say that Reggie is a front man/public face/puppet, and JaxonH is the real COO of NoA...
As everyone is sitting here crying and whining when the Nintendo 64 launched there was only 2 games I repeat two games available at launch that was it so be happy we have what we have
@PlywoodStick You ask if JaxonH is getting paid...but have you taken a look at your own posts? They read like your paid by the word to spread concern about the system. Kind of reminds me of back in 2004 from the people who just "knew" that Nintendo DS dual screens simply wouldn't work or be impossible to play with.
The way I see it , the system is better off for having 1,2- switch than not. It's not a serious game but a party game and it probably shares a double purpose of spreading the Switch through word of mouth by encouraging people to take it or use it at parties. Maybe not as exaggerated as you worded them but if those headlines showed up about 1,2- Switch it would probably be a sign it's doing its job.
Whether it works or not remains to be seen so I'd put away your magic 8-ball for now if it's telling you it should be cancelled.
@Slim1999 The N64 had Super Mario 64, one of the most legendary games of all time, and everyone knew what was coming on the system anywhere between E3 1995 and E3 1996, long before the system released. Not to mention, the SNES was awesome, while the Wii U, not so much. The N64 practically didn't need anything more at launch, everyone understood well ahead of time what was coming. Having Pilotwings 64 at launch, Wave Race 64 and Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire within the launch window, and Mario Kart 64 the following February didn't hurt, either...
Meanwhile, the NS... Basically also only has one real flagship at launch, BotW. Let's hope it can keep the NS afloat beyond the first two months...
@Dr_Lugae I realize that, I did kind of feel like an anti-JaxonH while writing that. Although I'm not concerned about the system itself, just one "game" on it that will shape the public perception of it's launch. Other than being overpriced by about US$50 in NA, and more in EU, I think the NS is looking pretty good. (Although sans BotW, a lot of the good things are a long ways off.)
I thought the DS was going to be really good before it came out, and so did lots of people. I don't know who you're referring to... People who mistakenly thought the PSP was the future?
And the system is better off for having a... "game" where you (I've written it so many times by now) do those things? You... aren't just deflecting what it is due to cognitive dissonance, right?
You don't tell Nintendo what you want, Nintendo tells you want you want!
@KeeperBvK He is a liar and plenty of people agree with me. I understand business plenty well. You don't know the first thing about me yet you made a stupid comment. You're the disgrace.
@Ignyte I agree with you but some people around here can't take criticism.
@Ignyte Welcome! I don't if know anyone's told you that yet, it seems you're (relatively) new on NL.
@PlywoodStick There were quite a lot of doubting letters in games magazines around the DS reveal, in addition to forums.
But I'm not deflecting even though the concepts are ridiculous the idea would probably be that it could potentially be a popular party game...purely because it is a pretty silly game. The best case scenario would be if people take it to parties and its a hit then people are going to know what the system is.
If 1,2-switch fails, well considering it's a game that only marginally uses the screen I doubt they'd have sunk a lot into the games development. To me it seems like a very low risk, high reward game to me.
@Dr_Lugae If you've seen it in action, the "game" not so marginally utilizes the newfangled technology in those $40 (for L or R, both are $80!) Joy-cons. (They're basically modified, upgraded, smaller Wiimotes. Swiimotes, if you will.) Not to mention all the resources they spent promoting the "game" in the NS reveal trailer, and at the Treehouse presentation, and potentially will spend in retail stores... Then people can pretend to jerk off nationwide, in every game store demo kiosk...
Any examples of those letters? I never saw any at the time, just lots of intrigued people, and some who thought the PSP would be a better choice after the GBA. Many thought the venerable Game Boy line would be discontinued (they were right), so there was a bit of hesitance to leave it behind after 15 years.
Maybe this means they've learned from past mistakes about their franchises (metroid needs to be dark with exploration not cute chibi with linear levels, and mother/earthbound they just need to bring over).
@PlywoodStick I've seen it but their other software utilizes all of that technology as well(Splatoon 2, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, Arms,etc.) and the cheaper the game development budget the more that would be available for advertising.
If you personally don't like the software, whatever. But you're overeacting to try and suggest 1,2-switch is a problem.
@BiasedSonyFan All of those Barbie games were classical works by Vincent Van Gogh compared to 1, 2, Switch. Even those old Windows 95 Barbie games and that NES Barbie game were way, way better. At least they were actually games. (Or carefully disguised beginner's computer tools.)
@Dr_Lugae All of those other games actually use both the mobile display or TV and the Joy-Cons, not just the Joy-Cons without needing the mobile display or TV. ARMS is actually not a bad demo for the tech, though it would've served better as a free pack-in than a standalone product.
@BiasedSonyFan Yes. Yes, I have, or least the NES and Windows 95 games. (But they were all my sister's games, I swear to God! )
And there's nothing to be embarrassed about there. At least they were actually games, or beginner's computer software, instead of jerk off simulators.
I'm not too worried about 1,2 Switch. The type of people who would buy it won't be laying down £350 for a Wii-style novelty (if they ever buy it at all). Hopefully by the time they've dropped the price they'll be some decent games and everybody can pretend it doesn't exist.
@electrolite77 Oh my God, the NS is £350 in the UK? US$426.33? I don't even want to think about what it'll cost in Aussieland...
And yeah, that sounds like the way it'll go down.
I don't remember Sony showing a Barbie game as the lead title when presenting a new console. Or having one as one of two first party games at launch. Good point about how well they do at appealing to all sorts of people though. 😉
Bad maths on my part. £280 for the console and (chokes back laughter) £60 for the game, so £340.
@electrolite77 Oh, okay... Still overpriced, but not quite so bad. The memes are going to be so real. I'm looking forward to those! And hey, at least they didn't put the cow milking minigame on the box cover... Because we all know pretending to shoot and kill someone is less controversial than pretending to milk (insert biological organism of your choice).
@electrolite77 According to Argos 1,2-switch is only £35.00
I can see them biding their time on this a bit. If the Switch takes off, they'll flood the market with a variety of games, but if it doesn't, they'll hunker down and put out stuff like Mother 3 that will satisfy the 2000 or so diehards who bought the console at launch.
And hey, we might see Mother 3 either way. But I'm guessing it's absolutely the lowest priority at the moment.
£315! Bargain! 😋
@Dr_Lugae "That's right, folks! For the low, low price of only £35, you too can signal towards your government that you are officially eligible to be permanently admitted to your local looney bin!"
Probably right. Judging by the time they spent on their red-hot minigame collection vs. the time spent discussing VC, absolutely right.
Nerds have money too.
I suspect it was more a case of 'we've got nothing for launch, does anybody have anything for launch. We forgot!'. AKA the Knack doctrine, or the fantavision approach.
@BiasedSonyFan Well, what can I say, a lot of people would question their sanity after playing it. Just look at Alex's response to playing the milking game on NL's Facebook page. He looked like he was questioning, "Is this real life? Am I playing the game, or is it playing me? Is this woman wearing a fake straw hat really coaching me on how to single-handedly milk a set of..."
I'd love to meet the target audience for this "game." I would probably... deeply regret it, ( ) but at least then all these questions that are being thrust into my mind would be answered...
@KrakenSoup To be fair, I have personally really loved my Wii U, and pretty much every Nintendo system (I think the only one I haven't owned since the NES is Virtual Boy). I know they have their quirks and sometimes inadequacies as game systems, but what I think has really hurt Nintendo more than the technological shortcomings of their systems is their own inability to muster enough energy to even begin trying to convince the public that they should buy something like a Wii U, or apparently now the Switch.
I really do think that Switch is a VERY good system. I think they nailed the core concept big time. But they don't seem to have the foggiest clue about how to market the thing, not just to the public but to developers as well, if that presentation is any indication. They are clearly lost if they honestly believe that people want to see yet another console with such a major emphasis on motion control. That alone is a strong indicator that Nintendo just do not understand the market. Wii U should have taught them that you can't try to pitch something as being both for core and casual gamers, but that lesson is lost on them, apparently.
I don't know. I have so much frustration after that presentation. I definitely believe that they can turn it around. They just need to push games. And not motion games. Regular ol' games. What is Retro even up to? Or any of their other studios or second-party partners? It's just weird that they didn't so much as mention what 90% of their people are working on.
I can only speak from the heart and if I feel it's a great system I'm going to say so, and I won't shy away from that. A lot of people are being unreasonable and irrational.
But I don't think Nintendo would like my opinions on their online service or high accessory prices very much. which is a load of crap. It's not the end of the world or anything but it is a money grab and I'm not buying it.
As for the rest of the system though, it's absolutely mint. I couldn't be more excited because they just nailed it
@BiasedSonyFan Lazy, yes. Wasting time, maybe. Insane? Not quite... Not yet, anyways.
@JaxonH Yeah, aside from what you mentioned (and above topic of amusing conversation), as well as the system MSRP being priced a bit too high outside of Japan (¥29,500 ≈ US$257), I have no significant contentions with the NS.
I think the system will become an RPG fan's dream come true, just not right away. I'll give it a year to get going. At least BotW should help carry it until then.
Yeah. Nintendo have never been short of games at launch. I made a ridiculous statement there alright. What was I thinking etc....
@Ignyte Is Nintendo from Soviet Russia? That would explain a lot.
I would go all out if i was Nintendo bring Mother 3 do another classic 2.5D Metroid n another Metroid Prime bring back F-Zero and Golden Sun plus a better Star Fox game a continuation of the lore why not another Punchout game aswell there is so many IP's Nintendo can draw upon i would go for it.
I'm glad region locks are gone with (WiiDs, lel) Switch, but I have a feeling we won't get exactly what we want.
I don't expect anything spectacular at launch but there better be some goods plan for E3.
Hmm, always toast tomorrow instead of bread today.
I want the game to be released so the super fans can finally stop asking about it.
For the love of God, Metroid PLEASE!!!
The PSP was pretty darn successful selling 82 million units. The DS also started pretty slow. The NA DS released 11/2004 and the PSP 3/2005 but both were in a dead heat at the end of 2005 at about 14 million units sold. It was then that a DS price decrease and new games such as Nintendogs and Brain training pushed the DS to the stratosphere.
I hope if they do Metroid it returns to 2D.
There's been a re-emergence of the metroidvania genre in recent years (Ori, Salt & Sanctuary, Xeodrifter, Song of the Deep, Axiom Verge, Black Knight Sword, Guacamelee, etc).
I see no reason why Nintendo can't bring Metroid back to its roots. =) But I'll really take anything!
nothing says other options such as
you choose to ignore the fact that this device exists.
its the most legitimate option for now.
id never recommend playing on a gba when you can play on a 700 inch tv.
"The price outside of Japan is definitely too high. The Japanese MSRP was announced to be about ¥29,500, which converts to US$256.44. So they should have given it a US$250 price tag, but instead, they're overpricing it unnecessarily. They're even further overpricing it in the UK, at £280+, which is an outrageous US$341.66. "
To be fair exchange rates are pretty volatile. On October 27th, the US exchange rate was 100.39 yen to USD. That would calculate to $293.85. Nintendo is at risk on the exchange rate so they would want to look at historical rates a little bit and make sure they have some room if rates fall. If you look at the last year it's about the highest it's been and it was also high last January so it's likely to drop in the future.
Europe is the Vat tax. I don't live in Europe so I may flub this one a little. But according to Wiki the lowest standard rate is 17%. At $300 that's about $50.
Reggie's comments suggest that something Mother 3 and Metroid relatedwill be shown within a year. Of course, he could just be bullsh*tting, but enough rumors have suggested that Mother 3 and a new non-Retro Metroid game are in development to make me believe that we should be seeing something related to those two franchises at E3 in June.
BTW Nintendo not mentioning Virtual Console whatsoever during the presentation was a bit surprising. I guess that information will come down the line.
full disclosure: My copy of MP:FF is still sealed:/
I thought Other M was fantastic, and it seems like FF is very decent as well. As good as the Prime games were, I was burnt out after the Trilogy. Both efforts since were so NOT THAT; they really wanted to do something fresh and the passion to bring that series home to Japanese devs and sensibilities showed, and the "fans" grabbed their pitchforks and screamed bloody murder and chased the people who wanted to make Metroid games out of town.
There's no reason to think Nintendo and Team Ninja couldn't have responded to sensible criticism and maybe made a really good sequel/successor. They were clearly setting the stage for an eventual Metroid 5, fleshing out story elements from 4 and wrapping up Mother Brain's storyline.
They didn't want to make Prime 4 and they still don't and who can blame them?
Maybe we don't get the Metroids we want, but we get the Metroids we deserve.
@cleveland124 Correct me if it's wrong, I've been using this calculator:
And according to it, the Yen was weaker against the US Dollar last January than it is currently:
Last year, ¥29,500 ≈ US$249.90, now ¥29,500 ≈ US$257.68.
On October 27, 2016, according to it, the rate was 0.0095120659 to the US Dollar, a particularly strong time period that has since rescinded:
This would have meant about a US$280.60 price tag when the Yen was temporarily stronger about a few months ago. So US$300 is still overpriced. If Nintendo is justifying the price raise based on the conversion rate three months ago, then they're taking advantage of the weakened Yen since then.
In the UK in particular, so I've heard on NL, the VAT tax is 20%. So at £280 (US$341.06), that's £56 extra (US$68.21). Based on current rates, the NS will retail in the UK for the equivalent of US$409.27, when including VAT tax. That's not an easy amount to ask for from our perspective, considering it's alarmingly close to the PS4Pro and (likely) XBScorpio pricing in the US. The Japanese are basically going to be paying the equivalent of almost US$150 less than those in the UK.
@ogo79 Just pray if you get a GB-GCN Player that it will come with the Startup disc, otherwise you're SOL. (Unless you... cough... use alternative means...)
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Anyone who reads any decent number of comment threads here on NL knows a few things about you, not just the first.
this is true. it seems the discs just seem to disappear off the face of the earth sometimes. im glad ive got mine permanently inserted in my gamecube.
"and we really have a good understanding of what our consumers want"
I won't hold my breath, especially about a true new Metroid. It aint gonna happen.
Some people wondered: Where are alllll the Nintendo-titles? Well, there aren't any! They used all their money on Zelda: Breath of the wild.
Also: I can't get excited about third-party's on stage when they show diddly squat (for example, Suda only showed a picture of Travis). He then went on and on and on, and the translator couldn't even translate it anymore for some strange reason.
@Spiders You mean the same games that removed the exploration and the atmosphere and everything that defines Metroid? Yeah, that's sure a great direction for the series.
I'm pretty flexible as far as them playing around with their IPs as long as it's something good, but abandoning the core appeal of your game is generally a terrible idea. If that was their vision for Metroid, they deserve to be "chased out of town" and I'd honestly rather Metroid die than release more crap like Other M and FF. At least then it would be put out of its misery.
@PanurgeJr I don't need to call you a troll as everyone knows. Plenty of people agree with what I wrote.
Obviously. A popular one though, and one shared by Nintendo
I won't buy the switch until there is a new metroid on it.
A real one.
Its a no brainer Zelda on wii u than reggie you talk to me in a year or so if you have any real games on switch.
You have to remember that Nintendo doesn't really care about getting US dollars or other foreign currency. What they really get paid is what the exchange rate is that day. So you have to look at historical averages AND projected changes in the currency (which I'm not an expert on). But theoretically, the Switch will be a 5 year system. Here is the US IRS (tax authority) table for average conversion over the last 5 years.
So here are the prices for 29,500 yen over the last 5 years (2016 rate not finalized yet).
2015 $227 A particularly weak period for the Yen
2014 $268 The 2014 and 2013 drop probably explain why Nintendo wasn't willing to lower the Wii U rate any
Rates have improved significantly over the past 5 years. The question is, is this trend here to stay or due for a reversal? There is a lot of political and economic uncertainty right now in the US. Not sure what's going on in Japan.
Ultimately, I don't think a $50 swing is that out of line based on history. If the trend continues, it gives them options for lowering the price and they are taking all the risk the rate changes. I mean it's not like if the Yen grows stronger over night that Nintendo will raise their price.
On the Euro side, it was my understanding that £280 (US$341.06) was inclusive of the Vat tax. If not, that is indeed way too high. Are you sure that's not included?
This kind of thing is beyond a joke, seriously. How hard can it be to just release the frikin' thing already. I mean, for Christ's sake, there's an absolutely stunning English fan translation out there that Nintendo's been told it can use for nothing.
Mother 3 is one of the greatest and most important videogames ever made, imo, and far more people need to play it.
For your reference: http://www.inceptional.com/2015/05/11/mother-3-is-brilliant/
Just get it done already, Nintendo!
Reggie is a snake oil salesman. In my opinion, he needs to be replaced by someone who at least appears to care what his customers want.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Considering I said nothing about the content of your initial comment, the fact that you insist on defending it yet again with no prompting suggests you realize it's not as true as you claim.
And that was pretty poor apophasis. Your rhetoric needs work.
@impurekind Just curious, what happened to your old account/name?
@cleveland124 When you put it that way, there's definitely a lot of uncertainty in the overall market headed our way, so I can understand the point about Nintendo wanting to protect themselves, which isn't a bad thing. (Although that doesn't change that US$300 ≈ ¥34,364.10 right at this moment, the equivalent of nearly ¥5,000 more than they pay.)
As for the UK:
Currently, the exchange rate between the GBP and USD is (again, please correct me if this is wrong) between 1.21760 and 1.21808 to 1, making their NS price tag the equivalent of between US$340.92 to 341.06. And that's before factoring in the VAT tax.
I'd have liked $250 better too and that $50 will probably make a difference to some people on the fence. Me I'm more worried about the launch lineup of 5 games and that's why I'll hold off for now. I'm one of those idiots who will probably buy both versions of BOtW, so I'll get the Wii U version now and enjoy it. Then maybe go through it again when I do pick up a Switch.
@BLD So we disagree on the game being good or great. I don't judge a game by a couple of flaws like a poor final boss but how much enjoyment I get out of playing it. I think I could produce a pretty good list of games I consider great that had individual flaws like that. So, we have some different standards on that type of thing I guess.
I don't know how you played it but I get a big kick out of local co-op and Federation Force is, in my mind, great for that at the least (and there's a great deal more I like about it). Sorry you didn't enjoy it like I did, especially since you gave it a chance unlike most.
Not much to do with my original point, but I'm still enjoying Federation Force, so I'll happily defend it.
@QuickSilver88 I really wish I could believe you. But between a weak launch line-up and second of all, the switch seems to be really pushed as a portable wii 2 or wii U 2. The games which AREN'T Wii U remasters, are motion controls games from the wii era. I thought it was even clear to Nintendo at this point that all the wii gamers either moved on to Sony or Microsoft, or have been converted to mobile phone gamers. So the ones which are left are the die-hard nintendo fans, and the ps4 and Xbox one gamers. If nintendo really got some new third party games, even if they were ones the consumer could buy on another system, they might just buy it for the Switch because of the portability factor. But no one is going to buy 1,2 Switch, and even less likely buy a switch because of that game or really any of the other games. Not when the Xbox one and Ps4 already have bigger and better libraries
@DizziParadise It just seems like they would have learned from their past already. And it also seemed that all these filler games like Animal crossing Amiibo festival and Federation force were just to lead us off from the fact that they were planning some main series games that were planned for the Switch. Who knows, it might come true. But as of so far, the future looks bleak.
I do. I agree that the exploration is oversimplified in Other M, but really I don't think it Prime 2, 3, or Fusion are particularly better either. As far as atmosphere goes, I though it was very decent. Some parts better than others, but I loved the vibrant palette and some later parts gave me a Shadow Moses vibe, which I thought was very cool. If your criticism is about the narrative atmosphere, again, I don't think Prime and Fusion are much better either. Prime set up a weird messiah, chosen one thing that I thought felt really silly and untrue to the character. It was like some weird Riddick poop. Other M had it's issues too - personally I blame the script and the games strange insistence on having Samus' inner monologue read like stuffy prose, but, and this is probably my main point of defense of Other M, it's the same Samus as Metroid Fusion aka Metroid 4 - the most recent canonical game in the series. The Bottle Ship is locked off nearly identically to the Biologic Space Laboratories in Fusion (with opaque linearity); Samus has the same tone in her inner monologue' including her doubts and vulnerability, particularly regarding her relationship with Adam. Other M fails as a follow-up to Prime, but not to Fusion, which was clearly the direction the creators of Metroid wanted to go in moving forward.
Mechanically, I think Other M is among the strongest in the series. Samus felt incredible - especially when you compare Super Metroid's nimble and agile bounty hunter with Prime's comparatively slow and plodding hero. I played a series marathon in anticipation of Other M (save 2 on GB), and it honestly felt like a return to form - maybe a better way to put it is like a missing link between Super and Prime, like what would have been on the N64, or what fans would have clamored for had Prime not been so brilliant.
Overall I think Prime 1 is the better game, but Other the better Metroid. Maybe you disagree as most people do, but certainly it didn't need to get burned at the stake for the sins of not being prime 4. And honestly, Prime 2 and 3 got really stupid in the story department, and were clearly struggling to make the upgrades more meaningful than keys for locks and color coded enemies.
We'll never know the future as intended, but the way the fanbase turned on the series' creators was so brutal, honestly I would've had the Federation Force kill X-Suit Samus in a Metroid 5 mobile game.
We'll probably get a soulless Prime clone with a one-dimensional ass-kicking Samus, Ridley, Mecha Ridley and Harpo Ridley, and whatever's happening will have someone try to harness the power of Metroids, but oh, the avarice of so an so species!, and stuff blows up and a timed escape and I guess everyone will be happy?
@aaronsullivan They could make another Zero Mission type game or remake some of the older games in HD. I'd like to see the Prime trilogy in HD and portable. That would be a fairly easy thing to produce to hold people over. Seriously, Nintendo could have TONS of games available for Switch this year just by releasing HD ports of classics. This would help with Switch sales and those higher adoption rates would encourage third party support. Then by holidays 2017 or early next year have Metroid sequels ready to drop.
@Link506 @JaxonH thank you kind sirs. I'll check it out on PS4. Reviews look mixed but could be my kind of game
@ogo79 Except you have to be able to read Japanese, but nice try
you can get a reproduction cart that is in english but im more than sure you already knew that.
thats the best option until a legitimate option is available but perhaps to some, its easier to complain about something than it is to find a solution because solutions take more energy.
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