Over the past decade or so Nintendo has made significant strides in its online / download stores, with the eShop platform becoming vital for both 3DS and Wii U. Those stores both learnt lessons from their predecessors - on Wii and DSi - in terms of becoming more accessible and rewarding for Indies, while making better use of demos, DLC and promotions. There's room for improvement with the eShop on the Nintendo Switch, of course, but there's a solid foundation in place.
The Virtual Console, however, has been relatively static. In fact, its debut on Wii is still arguably the best example of the service; at the time it was a fresh and exciting concept, and third-parties in particular couldn't wait to get involved. In addition to the Wii VC supporting key retro home consoles from the big N, it hosted games from third-party systems of a surprising variety. For older gamers, or young players eager to experience classic gaming, it was a treat to explore old games from Nintendo systems and others that they likely never owned.
On 3DS we saw portable systems for the first time in a VC, with the Game Boy (and Color) along with the Game Gear, though after an initial burst these games somewhat drifted away. Familiar NES titles then made their way to the portable, while a highlight for New 3DS owners has been the availability of some SNES classics. The Game Boy Advance never arrived, despite ten games being given to '3DS Ambassadors' after the system's 2011 price-drop; it seems that the emulation to make that happen (seemingly booting the 3DS as a DS) wasn't practical for the eShop's paid products. The Wii U VC focused exclusively on Nintendo systems, repeating a number of familiar releases from the Wii store but adding Wii downloads, and intriguingly DS and GBA titles best enjoyed on the GamePad.
Those latter examples, in particular, highlight one way that the Switch can deliver the ultimate Virtual Console. As a portable console that's also perfect for home gaming via its technology and the dock, it can deliver pretty much any Nintendo system's games in some form. The exceptions are perhaps Wii U, 3DS and DS, due to their dual-screen requirements; workarounds are possible (like we've seen with DS on Wii U) but are often clumsy. The majority of the Nintendo Life community that voted in our recent polls pegged the GameCube as their most wanted platform on the Switch VC, reinforcing its status as a fan favourite and as the only console yet to grace the service in some form (along with the Virtual Boy); as most reading this will know, it looks like the GameCube will be coming to the Switch's download service.
The door is open for both retro portables and home consoles on a Switch Virtual Console, and not just because of that core concept of the hardware. Also of interest is the use of a custom Nvidia Tegra chip to power the GPU; as owners of Shield devices know, the technology behind the Tegra range can power some pretty decent emulators. Apps have emulated all sorts of interesting things on Shield hardware (including MAME and so on); Nintendo will naturally apply strict controls with its Virtual Console, but the capabilities are there to emulate old systems of various kinds. The GameCube reports also provide a reminder of what the Tegra technology can achieve; when used well it can be powerful.
The potential for platforms is exciting - we'd love to see Arcade games return, following up the Wii VC support but with arcade games from the late '80s and into the '90s. But beyond games, whether Game Boy titles best enjoyed on the Switch console or GameCube releases to be savoured on the TV, Nintendo can go further and modernise how it sells and distributes these classic downloads.
In our poll on the topic of how a new Virtual Console could work, votes were relatively split. Virtual Console bundles were a popular option; in the past we've cited Capcom's budget retail release of Mega Man Legacy Collection as a way of adding value to classic games, with the six original NES entries in the series included along with some welcome extras; even without the charming additions such as challenges and the in-built music player, the idea of grouping classics together to offer better value is tempting. With so many iconic IPs getting frequent releases in each past generation, bundled downloads could give incentive to buyers not willing to spend $5 on a single NES game; a good price on all main Super Mario Bros. NES titles in one, for example, would be rather appealing.
Another popular option is for My Nintendo to play an active role in offering unique downloads, discounts and deals. The loyalty programme has been underwhelming to date, but there'll be hope that it can truly kick into gear once the Nintendo Switch arrives. Also attracting a decent number of votes was the status quo, with a number of the community evidently happy enough with the current structure and pricing. It should be noted that reports of the Switch likely featuring 'upgrade' prices on downloads already owned may help with this. The execution of this was frustrating on Wii U (necessitating a system transfer from the Wii), but with Nintendo Network ID records and the newer Nintendo Account system Nintendo will hopefully be able to apply discounted upgrades automatically on Switch. Ideally if you've already bought Super Mario World on New 3DS or Wii U, for example, you'll automatically see a lower price on Switch.
Notably there was minimal love for two subscription options in the polls. One was a monthly fee that allowed the option to pick a few games at a time that are then owned, and the other was a PS+-style option where a number of downloads can be picked up as part of a subscription, but they're not 'owned'; for example when your subscription ends, so does your access to the relevant downloads. Resistance to subscriptions is perhaps understandable; Nintendo gamers in particular are used to basic online features being completely free, so the idea of content being behind monthly or annual payments would be unfamiliar on a big N system.
We're a little surprised at the number of votes the status quo received, perhaps reflecting the fact many reading these pages will hope to benefit from significant upgrade discounts. After all, many of us have bought plenty of retro games two or three times each, in some cases, so upgrading on the cheap could be a good solution. Whether that would make sense for Nintendo in terms of tempting newcomers to buy Virtual Console games is something else entirely. Ultimately the conventional approach to selling VC games does seem a good bet, especially if GameCube downloads arrive as the new $15-20 premium offerings to draw in a lot of sales.
In the end a majority of those who voted in our polls think the Virtual Console is at least 'quite important' to Switch. It'll be intriguing to see what moves Nintendo makes to freshen up the idea - the GameCube looks certain as an addition, the emulation possibilities are conceivably wide-reaching and exciting with Tegra technology, and we have the foundations of the eShop and My Nintendo which can shake up how retro games are sold.
With the Switch all set to offer quality gaming both at home and on the go, the opportunity is there for Nintendo to bring the Virtual Console back to the fore. The company has traded on nostalgia a lot in 2016, culminating in the NES Mini; it can utilise that brand power in significant ways in the next generation.
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I swear there's been a Talking Point about this before.
I just want GameCube VC that utilizes the Wii U adapter.
Just give me Mario Sunshine and I'll be happy.
Give me Paper Mario Thousand Year Door and I will be happy.
I was sad that GBA games didn't make it to 3DS, so I'm hoping they appear on the Switch too at some point
Yeah not buying intone VC hype again. Too much red tape involving games that I like on previous Nintendo systems that keeps them from ever coming to VC services.
Honestly if you want those old games on one system just get a "magical" original Xbox. You can get one for $100 or less
As excited as I am for the Switch, I'm expecting the same drip feed of releases that we got with the 3DS and Wii U. Why would they do such a 180 on their approach toward it?
They had better offer a discount on already owned virtual console games because there is no way I will be shelling out full price for them yet again. After how many times I have owned them I think Nintendo should just let me have the Switch versions for free, and yes I know that it takes time and money to port the games in order to make them playable on the Switch but I think Nintendo needs to start rewarding it's loyal fans. I hope this system sees the start of a new era of Nintendo, not that there is anything particularly wrong with the way they are but I feel like if they want to compete with Sony and Microsoft they need to start treating their fan base as well as those two do. Make the system attractive for the community and positive word of mouth will spread, which would hopefully bring about more sales.
Not buying into the hype that doesn't exist. Outside of the hardcore Nintendo fan base, that gets smaller every year, people don't even know about the Switch or care. Its going to look like a WiiU 2.0 to them. Another controller with a screen built in when they didn't even care the first time around. And the few new VC titles Nintendo will release wont sway them.
I hope they can get Original Wii games on VC, it would take a lot to emulate the controls though. Could it be done if the system is powerful enough? I know I can buy them on Wii U but I want the games to carry over!
"The Wii U VC focused exclusively on Nintendo systems..." No, it did not. It also has THREE Turbo-Grafx 16 games!!!
i stopped buying games from the eshop already until i get news of how vc games work.
I thought the article was going to mention console specific joy-cons.
@Dpishere
“They had better not charge us ANYTHING for already owned Virtual Console games.“
Fix'd.
The Switch is in a unique position to emulate not only the games of all systems past, but the controllers and thier button configurations as well with the joycons. Imagine an SNES joycon set, an N64 joycon set with the C buttons, etc.
@DarthNocturnal In my opinion if the emulation offers more enhanced visuals and filters like NES Classic I wouldn't mind $1 per NES game again. Same for other systems. It takes effort and money to develop these games on brand new hardware.
Wish for FREE Region, White or Blue body color, Large enough internal storage, Cute Boxing games like Animal Boxing NDS or K-1 Pocket GBA, Long lived battery, Sturdy material, Switch controller or Joy Con / Main console / Docker sold separately for back up plans or Cross Color experience and most important.... Affordable price.
it will be the most amazing console ever my pridiction it will sell
72-80 milion unites among 8 years
Now that we got a unified Nintendo ID it's time to not charge us again for the same games.
As soon as Nintendo fixes that and gives us PAL gamers 60hz retro games I'll buy VC games.
I feel like they will make you re-rebuy them again :s
You can still buy GameCube games in eBay for reasonable prices. Just buy a GameCube or a Wii if you wanna still play these. If you didn't buy the game first time around, I doubt you'll pay the high price Nintendo will charge for their GC vc.
I think more snes and n64 titles is more important.
The reason the "status quo" is so popular doesn't just have to do with hopes for upgrade prices or something. I would wager (since this is my own reason) it's so popular is because people like to own their games. Subscription services don't offer that, and bundles don't offer the freedom of choosing individual games to purchase and download independent of a bundle. That's what I LOVE about the wii U and 3DS virtual console - the ability to choose individual retro games I want to play, and purchase and download them on their own. And the fact that I own them digitally and can play them whenever I want, without a dependence on a subscription service, is amazing.
Secondly, the Wii VC was only superior to later iterations in one way: content. The most games from the most developers and systems were available here. But in terms of ease of use, convenience, speed, and accessibility, the Wii VC is incredibly clunky and slow. The Wii U eshop is fantastic in those respects, and I hope to see Nintendo utilize something very similar to the current eshop on the Switch, just with quality of life improvements (like having a shopping cart for when you want to buy multiple games at once) and, of course, the largest library of Nintendo retro games available on any Virtual Console before.
@Furealz
Microsoft offers emulated 360 games (aka last gen games, which are FAR more complex then anything on Wii U VC) on Xbox One for no extra cost if you already own it (physical OR digital). And several games run BETTER then on an actual 360. Again, no extra cost.
The only way I can see the Switch VC being any good is if Nintendo can pull in the 3rd party support again.
Atleast I can still access all of my Wii downloads on my WiiU. Although, booting Wii mode is annoying.
I hope it delivers. I'm sure it will.
For god sakes Nintendo, offer up our VC libraries for free on the next console. Platforms like Steam, iOS, OS, Windows, and others allow you to run your games on whatever platforms that can run your games and software. Nintendo should do the same.
Arcade games are my biggest wish for VC. Possibly some obscure Japanese arcade games too that never came to the west.
I want a clear purple Switch
@TadpoleSHero Personally I'd rather pay say 40 pound a year over the consoles life span and have access to a huge library of VC that continues to grow than pay the equivalent for at most 10 VC releases that I may own but are tied to the console.Even if they do carry over,if you buy a lot of VC games it'll still cost you more buying them individually.The option to buy them individually should also be there though for those that are only interested in a few titles.
A unified account system where you can back up and access digital games and game saves from the cloud is all I want.
Just hoping to have a convenient way to buy some of the GameCube games I don't have anymore. I still love the ones I have and kinda wish I hadnt gotten rid of a few in particular (Mario Sunshine, Sonic Adventure 2 battle).
GCNeverDied
Give me region free or go to hell.
@BinaryFragger Rumours suggest the Switch VC is supposed to be good,LKD said she has heard good things about it anyway.Eurogamer reported the team that built the emulator for NES mini (N.E.R.D) are behind it and they have a pretty good track record.
The Wii U web browser media player.
DS Emulator for Wii U (which supports 2x native resolution rendering).
Stable stereoscopic 3D on the New 3DS.
Wii VC games on Wii U.
If true,i'm sure it'll be a big improvement on Wii U's VC. Especially if the region free rumours also turn out to be true.
I honestly don't expect to have to pay for VC games I already own! I want the transition this time to fully utilise account systems and let me download my entire VC library from Wii U and 3DS, free of charge, day 1.
Well, it's nice to have dreams right?!
Nintendo are full up on potential and have been since the Wii launched; problem is, they're as good at delivering on it as a double amputee with a chance at an open goal. At best it'll maintain Nintendo's "reliable" trickle of content where there should at least be a stream, in lieu of a river.
@OorWullie
Way too much lag in the NES mini. Plus some other weird graphical things going on.
@G0dlike
I was a big supporter of the VC initially, and paid the "upgrade" fee for most of the Wii U games because it was cheap. If they allow a free transition, I'll jump to Switch alot sooner as I'm not really that excited over the games that have thus been leaked.
@GraveLordXD
Google coinops.
I love how everyone forgets that the Wii vc is still active and is not that big of a deal to log into. Yea, it would be nice if Wii U got more. But I have like 100 Wii vc and wiiware games. I still log into play them. Most recently was contra 4. Heck, I even played Wii games on the gamepad resting in my lap and a wiimote/classic controller.
I am excited for switch, but not rebuy games.
@cleveland124 I didn't know that,from what I've read it's still a big improvement on Wii U NES VC. Although that wouldn't be hard.
About the transition to Switch,Eurogamer said there will be a small upgrade fee like with Wii U.Hopefully they've got that wrong.
Once again, be ready to purchase the same SNES titles for a 3rd or 4th time. Only for Nintendo.
@UK-Nintendo
Uh...except Paper Mario TTYD, still insane prices on Ebay even Used condition.
@donniedarkenson
Eh...that will be a piracy if can run all games regardless of companies (Nintendo / Sony / Microsoft).
@ZurapiiYohane64
Eh? PS2 brand new still exist ? How much, what region, what type (fat or slim) ?
It pretty much HAS to include discounts otherwise I think those who stuck with Nintendo through the hard Wii U times will fill slapped in the face. And YES to auto applying it once you sign in with your Nintendo Network ID. I don't think they'll do another transfer process since well, our DS and Wii U Retail downloads are not exactly doable on the Switch and the Wii Mode did sometimes get errors loading up too.
I'm really hoping we do not start all over again. It would be a wonderful dream experience if both Wii U VC (Bar DS I guess) and 3DS VC libraries could be all available day one like DSiware on the 3DS eShop, but I guess all those Indie games won't fill those Download Update weeks alone, even with Gamecube.
As well as Gamecube to complete the circle, I would love the 3rd party consoles to return (Mega Drive, Master Syster, Neo Geo, a Turbografx that's MORE then 3 games, etc.) and maybe they could add Wiiware to the selection? Would be a shame if what few good games (Excitebike World Rally, the Final Fantasy games, etc.) ended up lost forever whenever Nintendo decides to shut down the Wii Shop.
@Dauntless Bro the hype is real! People around me seem to be quite so hyped about the switch (and they not Nintendo fanboys). It sure has 10x as much hype as the WiiU ever had.
After seeing how long it took them to release SNES and N64 games on Wii U, I really have to wonder how long it would take to emulate a GameCube game on Switch. People shouldn't have to wait months at a time for a new release.
Other than Wii virtual console. Nintendo has disappointed on many levels since. The 3ds would have been a nice virtual console machine and the Wii-U. Its like virtual console isnt very relevant anymore. I cant wait to see what Konami has up its sleeve with its recent patent of the TG16 in USA. A mini system which seems to be the fad right now would be awesome.
As far I'm concerned the Virtual Console should be restricted to only pre 3D games. Anything 3D should be remastered and I will accept nothing less. Yes that means spending the money to redo all the assets for N64 games like Sony and Activision are doing for the Crash Bandicoot trilogy.
Another thing I would like to hope for is actual space. This is a current issue for XBONE/PS4 and I hope Nintendo ensures there's plenty of GBs.
They had the right idea with allowing External HDD for up to 2TB (Which will be tricky for the Switch unless the USB ports on the Hub allow for one and you just pick what downloads you want to take with you.) but another issue is the 300 downloads at a time limit, they really have to either get rid of it or at the very least increase it up to something like 1000. For all the times they try and get you to buy Wii U and 3DS Retail games digitally with 10-20% discounts, they do like to limit just how much you can have downloaded at one time. Rather then limit us Nintendo, let us have plenty more to download. It means more download money for you at the end of the day.
The thing that always annoyed me was the boot up time. Having to close the game to load the store and wait about 30 seconds to open was a pain.
Hopefully the new one is like pretty much all the others where it opens instantly and doesn't require you to close the game or app you have open
@DarthNocturnal I agree completely, but unfortunately Nintendo's past history suggests that won't happen.
@azelf "Give me Paper Mario Thousand Year Door and I will be happy."
Ditto.
It would be awsome if they where to add customization option to the switch virtual console like the one found on Dolphin emulator 🐬.
@GraveLordXD I can't go into how (there's Google for that) but you can turn an original Xbox into a retro game machine.
Being able to play all my favorite Nintendo 64 and GameCube games on the go would be a dream come true.
I expect that there are licensing issues with a lot of 3rd party VC games, so games that were licensed for the Wii VC can't just be moved to the Wii U or Switch as they are different platforms (unless the 3rd party ok'd it).
I'd like my VC library to be unified, so if I couldn't move everything to the Switch then I might just keep them on the Wii U. I wouldn't be too bothered if there was a fee for ports although I'd prefer it to be a one time charge rather than be charged $1 individually for each game.
I was happy with the Wii VC (and by extension the Wii U) despite not getting every game that I wanted. Having decades of classic games on one system is something that noone else can do.
In all seriousness they need to do a better job of VC now before they think about the switch (Nintendo hasn't been known to listen to its customers as of late). Cross platform releases would be great for example double dragon 3, star tropics 1 and 2 and Bayou Billy are exclusive to wiiu for no apparent reason. Why not on the 3ds, I can't expect it to be licensing.
lol yeah mame, in my dreams
The potential has always been there, you just gotta utilize it. To me, what the Switch VC needs is a feature where you could just download the games you already own physically or virtually. I swear Nintendo has to have a way of knowing what we own and want not. But with the Switch apparently lacking in downward compability and demanding a fee to redownload VC games making more financial sense, I'd say the chances are slim.
Overall, though, I think it needs to grow faster, a lot faster. We shouldn't have to wait years for something we've had on Wii and WiiU for years. Ideally, they should just continue the WiiU VC and add categories such as GameCube games in there fast.
Also, I wouldn't have a problem with a subscription option where we can get monthly changing games for free or at a large discount. Maybe don't lock the online behind it, though.
Here's my problem with subscription service, some months you get absolute garbage and shovelware for free and the good games won't be discounted (example you pay $30 a month and you get Milons Secret Castle and Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde as the free games!)
@Anti-Matter Not if they wrote it into their contract for the Wii U that software might run on future platforms. This is a non-issue when you get a new phone, or computer, or install Steam, all your games and software can be brought onto your next system. I am really hoping they thought that far ahead.
@Anti-Matter Plus, the "dollar or two upgrade" fee from the Wii U was pretty arbitrary. It would be nice if all your software ran at launch, but at the very least, once they get the software running, or release said VC game on the Switch VC, that it run for free if you bought it already on the Wii U or 3DS. It's not really too much to ask! Seems pointless to unify your eShop purchases if they'll never be allowed to be run on different systems.
The VC system might sadly be full of the same bottlenecks the Wii, 3DS, & WU all had: Not powerful-enough system capabilities for decent emulation, Lack of creativity/thinking-outside-the-box in control schemes/ways to control a game(for ex: Mario Paint using the Wiimote), Nintendo not releasing their own older games due to on-cart chips(for ex: SNes Yoshi's Island), & 3rd parties not releasing their old titles for one reason, or another.
Legal(, & professional-quality) emulation is a great idea, but Nintendo never seems to fully dive in(put their heart into it). I can understand that if it's not a big profit/source of income, how they would just be neglectful of it, but they should really put more heart, & "umph!" into it; Doing so might yield good financial surprises for Nintendo.
@donniedarkenson
Hm...but I decide to not follow Steam or PC gaming at all. Not interested, tired at some point, only interested with Nintendo games only despite still having some good memories of ps1 and ps2 games. I treat my PC just ONLY for typing, browsing internet, drawing and listening music, no gaming at all.
I've been thinking about Virtual Console on Switch lately when it dawned on me, before I even read this article.
A hybrid system will finally put a well-deserved end to the bovine fecal matter that is the GBA Virtual Console being stuck on a home console. Yes, "stuck" is not flattering, but that's how I see it.
I'm hoping that we'll get optional special controllers for Switch VC. Specifically I really think a right-hand controller that matches the button layout of the N64 is important for VC games.
Trying to play the ocarina in OoT is very tricky on an analogue stick and doing things like the singing frog challenge is really hard thanks to the analogue stick being in the wrong place relative to where the c-buttons should be.
i love retro gaming but i really don't care . NIntendo should STOP PLAYING!!!
they need
Nintendo has so much important things to do i don't need to see em working on VC or amiibo
@KirbyTheVampire the worst 3D Mario game, and you'll be happy?
@Windy TG16 was a Kanye West patent.
@UK-Nintendo
A lot of good GameCube games are hugely expensive, especially in PAL form. You need to look again. Start with Paper Mario, Fire Emblem and MGS : Twin Snakes. Then take in Skies of Arcadia, Chibi Robo, Pokemon XD, Mario Baseball and Four Swords. After that look for Kirby Air Ride, Twilight Princess and even Pikmin 2. The prices are why I stopped collecting after getting to about 200 games.
As for the hardware, a GC is pointless unless youre willing to splash out big money on a Component Cable which leaves you with the Wii option. This will have to be second-hand and isn't portable and will require Memory Cards too.
Buying original hardware isn't comparable. Great if you can afford it but it's easy to see why people want GC support on Switch.
@Pazuzu666 Even if we were to accept that judgement, it's still an excellent and critically acclaimed game, thoroughly enjoyed by a ton of people. What's so hard to believe about @KirbyTheVampire 's sentiment? Why so incredulous and dismissive?
For the right pricing also...because VC games now aren't cheap...
@electrolite77 I can agree with you abit however I still have nearly all the games you listed. Lost my copy of kirbys air ride. I find the n64 games and snes games more rare
Personally, I'm not that interested in the VC... most of the games I would get through it I've already played on their original system, which I still have, so could play them any time, and I typically wouldn't bother getting them again unless it was a full remake, with enough changes to make it worthwhile.
@azelf A small selection of GBA games did make it to the 3DS VC... it's just that they are only available to 3DS ambassadors.
@electrolite77 for the casual a Wii is the better option as the component is easier to get hold of. The games look near identical as well.
"Nintendo gamers in particular are used to basic online features being completely free, so the idea of content being behind monthly or annual payments would be unfamiliar on a big N system"
We do have Pokemon Bank, though. And like I said before, I wouldn't mind subscribing to a similar service with cloud storage for Nintendo system saves in general - it's actually one of the primary factors why I got PS Plus. An IGC analogue would be a welcome bonus here as well were Nintendo to implement it - a balance of needed features and affordable price makes the "only available when subscribed" limitation a low concern anyway, and I have enjoyed what I got access to on my Vita so far.
Having to rebuy games again would be a huge deal-breaker for me. So I hope they fix that
Having to buy games again hmmm it's not as if your 3ds or wiiu is going to disappear when the switch comes out!
I had a lot of hype for DS VC, it's kind of great but I must admit most of the games I want will never come to the service.
TWEWY, Ghost Trick, Sonic Rush, Hotel Dusk, Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days, AAI Miles Edgeworth, are just some of the games I want.
I have the physical copies but I would buy a path to radiance + radiant dawn bundle.
I want Dreamcast Vc!!!
@Franklin ...Hell Is The Future..!!!!!!
Ive come to the conclusion being in the Tech game for years now and id say the most loyal/dumbest Fanboys are in this order Apple/Nintendo/Nvidia period and with that i reckon most will still just go ahead and buy on whatever system Nintendo uses for VC this time on Switch me personally ive bought very little compared to the Wii its just a big con its overpriced and to many shoddy 50hz junk STILL being released in this day and age, made me go and buy a Retron 5 which has FAR BETTER quality emulation than any Wii/Wii U and does much more besides and pays for itself considering your potential VC purchases over the course of a few years etc all HDMI'ed up on your TV for good measure.
Well the Switch seems to be the most perfect gaming system ever produced so it's probably not a bad console to gather all the old favorites on. But yeah, it seems to be getting a ton of great games like Zelda, Xenoblade Chronciles X, Fire Emblem and stuff.
What I loved about the Wii VC was the Hanabi festival where previously unreleased games were made available. Games that were never released in PAL territories or never outside of Japan. Favourites include Castlevania Rondo of Blood and Chrono Trigger. It would be nice to see this return if there are many other classics available for this service.
I think it would be nice to add some retail game bundles as well...A Legend Of Zelda collection, another Super Mario Bros collection, Donkey Kong Collection, another Kirby Collection, Pikmin Collection, NES Sports collection, NES Classics Collection and more...some people would still download them onto their systems, but imagine nintendo making money on the retail front too! Plus, there are some people that don't have internet, which is something that all developers need to realize, and some people that don't want to use their credit cards or even buy the prepaid cards. Some publishers are realizing this, and releasing them as retail discs too (Shovel Knight, The Last Tinker, Toki Tori 2, Lumo, Rocket League and more), so hopefully nintendo dives into this too...plus, it's nice to have a collection that will be rare and collectible down the road! One that I'd really like a collection of...Startropics or even the original Castlevania's...complete with original artwork!
@GraveLordXD
PSP is a powerhouse for emulation. It can play GBA/GBC/NES/SNES/Mega Drive/Master System/Turbografx/Neo Geo and even Capcom CPS1 and CPS2. I even use it to play old Commodore 64 games.
The fact that I can play GBA games at full speed with full sound on the PSP makes me wonder why Nintendo was never able to make it work on the 3DS.
I have to agree with a lot of people here: give us an account system that does not require to repurchase the games that we already own, then let us redownload for free the games we do own. The extra cost from making better emulators and porting then to the Switch is offset by how many times we bought the same games.
I'd like to be able to play games I bought on Wii without going into a "Wii Mode". For example, I bought the Golden Axe arcade game on Wii VC. It has traditional controls (Wii remote turned sideways), and yet it wasn't playable on Wii U without going into Wii Mode. If they can fix that, and bring more VC Arcade titles to the table, that'd be great.
The VC has been one of the main things Nintendo still hasn't done right. From overpricing games, especially when you can get them for free online (legalities aside, they have to take into account how easy it is to acquire a ROM, which a VC game basically is), to not having a consistent release schedule. I'm not holding my breath, the VC along with the eshop has been woefully short compared to the competition.
VC is the least important feature of the Switch (if it happens). It won't drive people to the Switch, new games should do that.
Though I may be a bit jaded on the matter. Seeing the e-shop build up from scratch AGAIN doesn't make me happy. All the games we already saw on Wii and Wii u vc, again at super high prices?! No thank you!!
@Henmii Yet the same thing basically happened on the XBO and PS4. It was only later that they started porting them over.
As for bundling Mario all together, they did that as Super Mario All-Stars and they expect $20 (or the cost of buying them individually). I think the concept of value pricing is lost on Nintendo, as the concept of Rewards Program.
@GraveLordXD Yeah PSPs are great if you want them on the go, but if you want it on the big screen the Original Xbox is the way to go. You could also use a Wii, but I have heard that Arcade games dont run to well on that.
"Yet the same thing basically happened on the XBO and PS4. It was only later that they started porting them over"
Oh, I didn't know that. But on the other hand: They do have universal accounts right? For example: Paying once for a Sony game, play it on every Sony device?
Putting online features back into it's VC games would be a start (lookin' at you Animal Crossing: Wild World).
Remember those bold promises we read on this site about Wiiu s promising vc potential? Wii u vc was actually worse than its predecessor vc. That was a huge disappointment for me.
@cleveland124 I heard the reports about an input lag have been in fact proved to be due to the type of TV you're using, not the Nes Mini itself.
Would be nice if the games I've already paid for (sometimes more than once) on old Nintendo consoles is recognised on Switch so I don't have to pay for them again. Doubt it though!
@smashboy2000
TVs can add lag, but the mini adds a lot on its own with it's emulation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxek9ZD3Njw
This is a really spot on review. He talks about the lag in the system around the 14:30 mark. Right after that he talks about the sound having a worse lag.
I don't have a way to measure lag but this is also my experience. BenQ 10ms gaming monitor - AVS outputting at 720p Mr. Dream is easily beaten. No noticeable lag. NES mini same setup Mr. Dream is impossible to beat, noticeable lag. The NES mini is fine for a budget console, but I hope the Switch has enough power to do better with its emulation.
@cleveland124 Holy crap, it's a pretty big issue indeed !
I'm very sensitive to input lag, I even own a Plasma TV for that reason. That's pretty depressing.
At least, if there's this kind of problem on the Switch VC, they would be able to update and fix it. On the nes mini, it's dead :/
I said it in the other Switch Virtual Console article and I'll say it again in this one, Nintendo Virtual Console is meaningless to me until Nintendo ties purchases to your account rather than the console, lowers their prices for their old games (their prices are absurdly high compared to games on Steam), and actually have discounts.
The Virtual Console is fun and all, but honestly I think they need to double down on actual new, and exciting games.
If they do want to come back to Virtual Console initiatives, I definitely agree that I, having paid for the games on Wii and again on WiiU, should not have to buy the game again. I'll become even more selective when buying new virtual console games.
As I mentioned with last weeks VC article, I don't have a problem with the current structure as it is on Wii U. Hell, I don't even have a problem with the pricing structure. What I DO have a problem with is the lack of vc content to choose from! One vc game a week on Wii U is complete torture. If you're not interested in the one game on offer you have to wait till next Thursday hoping that will rectify the wait. How to solve the problem? Answer- 3-5 vc games a week to give us choice and variety to choose from. And Nintendo just couldn't accomplish that on Wii U. Sure they added DS and GBA and Wii retail games but we lost from Wii to Wii U genesis, master system, Neo Geo, C64, T16, and most importantly VIRTUAL CONSOLE ARCADE offerings!! Why?? They need to bring these systems back with the Switch and add: GameCube, Dreamcast, Atari 2600/7800/Atari Arcade, game gear, and maybe Saturn? Where are the midway classics like paperboy, joust, defender, smash TV, Robotron 2084, Hydro thunder and many others now all owned by warner bros who by the way have been supporting Nintendo systems still till this day!! Where are Atari classics like asteroids, centipede, tempest, millipede, missle command etc??
Where are all the Hamster classics that they are actively posting in the PlayStation store?? Where is the treasure trove of Sega Classics?? Nintendo really dropped the ball with Wii U in this area. I feel as though they didn't try or just didn't want to spend the money. But these classics can be had. I mean Atari just released 2 volumes of classics on PS4 and Xbox one!! Finally with the switch, if I have to start my virtual console library all over again from scratch I will be upset and could be a deal breaker for a switch purchase for me personally! I mean it was insulting enough that if you bought a vc game on Wii U and you wanted the same title for your 3DS, that you have to buy it again??? Cmon!! Get it straightened out Nintendo!! I hope they really figured all this out with the switch!! Oh and guys if Wii retail downloads on Wii U is $20 each then I'm sure GameCube downloads will clock in at $15....just seems logical to me. Thx
I preffer to see third party consoles more than the obviously Nintendo consoles. It will be a fact the VC GC will have a lot of same Mario, Zelda, etc. But where are the Dreamcast or the Saturn? or maybe a bigger Neo Geo lauches or the VC Arcade with modern games like SF Alpha or even Capcom vs SNK?
@CaPPa I seem to recall at the time all the licence holders laughed when Nintendo wanted to release the Wii VC. They thought there was no market and was happy to accept free money from Nintendo. The it kicked off and when it came to Wii U 3DS VC the third parties had "other solutions" (mobile, XBLA, PSN, Steam)
Nintendo shook up the official retro scene and now suffers from that.
Hopefully the Switch's youthful developers locked in the functionality we expect.
@Henmii it doesn't really work like that. Only certain 360 games on X1 but if you own it digitally you get it "free", the Sony set up is more confusing. If you buy a game that has a 'linked' version on other systems you can play it but to my knowledge there is no PS3 titles that work like that on PS4 (outside of indie re-releases). Instead Sony is pushing their streaming rental service which offers no discount for owners
@TearTheRoofOff not disagreeing if it's somebody's favourite in the series, however, critically acclaimed it is not. Mario 64, Galaxy 1 & 2, SM3DW, and you would choose Sunshine!? Strange is all.
@Pazuzu666 It was, in fact, acclaimed by critics. That is simply true, and deservedly so in my opinion. It's hardly a mediocre game amongst great ones; it is also a great game and the selection of it as a favourite is very reasonable. Also, it's not necessarily true that the poster views sunshine as their favourite 3D Mario game, just that they want it on VC. The galaxy games are pretty contemporary by comparison and 64 has at least been ported. It may even be the case that the poster has all of them except Sunshine and wishes to play it. Dem variables!
@Pazuzu666 oops I meant TurboGrafx https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/12/konami_files_fresh_trademark_for_turbografx_in_the_united_states
@Rez
That would be so great.
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