With release expected in March next year, rumours around the Nintendo NX will continue to grow. Assuming the original release window is still in place, the big N will be showing more of the system to partners and, presumably, getting closer to unveiling the hardware.
As we suggested in an article considering the pros and cons of Nintendo's ongoing public silence, chatter around the system and potentially genuine leaks become more likely with each passing day. Now, the moderating team on the NX subreddit claim to have details from a source at a major retailer, stating that the source is in a position to have potentially seen some information regarding the upcoming hardware.
Intriguingly, some details match some that we've shared previously, both in the July 'Eurogamer' reports and subsequent articles. We've produced summaries of the key claims from the Reddit post below, and in bold are claims that we've also heard from sources in the past. Retail specific details are certainly new and intriguing, while general concept remarks are relatively familiar; it's another set of reports adding a little weight to some of the potential leaks from during the summer.
First, in terms of Marketing:
- "Interact with games on the go" is apparently a key marketing phrase, seen on a poster. We've heard of similar phrasing (focused on playing games on the go, rather than 'interacting') as a promotional message for the system.
- Mario launch title reportedly prominent on early 'posters'.
- At least four games 'on deck' for launch, presumably meaning high-profile titles to push day one sales.
- Demo units expected in stores in February.
- Base price of $299.99, it seems.
- Bundle expected but content is unclear, potential price of $399.99.
Then there are some packaging details reported, too.
- Packaging described as 'clean and simple', slightly bigger box than for Wii U.
- Colour scheme on packaging said to be white and blue.
- Packaging says NX but may be placeholder, as art / images of the system were redacted / blurred out.
In terms of features, at the time of writing the Reddit moderators have already retracted some claims made from a second source that has been disproven. That shows how much salt should be taken with reports, but the following are still in place.
- Games will be on cartridges
- '4K streaming' mentioned, but the sense is that this'll refer to supporting 4K in apps like Netflix. Certainly conceivable, as the Xbox One S already supports this without the specification bump seen with the PS4 Pro.
- 1080p and 60fps reportedly a focus in promoting gameplay. Less verification has been obtained on talk of the hybrid / portable aspect running at 900p; that's certainly something that we've heard in relatively loose talk.
Are these details definitely 100% accurate? It's impossible to say, and as always even verified sources that inspire confidence may have seen old or placeholder information. There are interesting details nonetheless, certainly enough to get us thinking about NX yet again.
What do you think of these reports? Let us know in the comments.
Thanks to everyone that sent this in.
Read this on another forum.
I could make this up myself. It's just all previous rumours mixed in with white Wii U box art.
JUST SHOW THE NX ALREADY NINTENDO!
Launch games better be epic. They can do
2 ports like mario maker and smash and the rest need to be fresh first party games.
Would be pretty nice if it had the specs of a One S.
Would be even nicer if Nintendo would say literally anything.
Grain of salt taken and swallowed!
Great rumor! But the NX NEEDS to be revealed. I think on October 26th, (at the investors meeting), they will announce a NX reveal date, and also announce if the NX is still being revealed this year a d if it's still due in March. But, most likely, #TheNXWillBeDelayed.
As sick as I am with the lack of real NX news, it is quite invigorating to read and hear about these mysterious sightings in the wild. Can't help but get excited even if they are a load of crap!
So is Nintendo going to...do something yet? Color Splash is out.
I think the price is too high. It depends what comes with it. Just don't know what to believe anymore.
I don't think that rumor fire can go any higher without causing some serious damage Nintendo. Better put it out by pouring a reveal over it....
@DBPirate No. Now the baton has been passed on to "insert game here". There's always going to be some new game on the way that they've to wait for. Except it won't be Wii U games anymore.
They should have not told us there is a new console in the works so we would never be waiting for it. Just surprise us I can wait
I hope they figure out the right messaging for the NX from the start. Word of mouth is so important in this age of social media, so the concept must be clear and easy to understand and be exciting and new at the same time. I'm not concerned about the games, Nintendo usually delivers on this front. If they succeed in that, I don't mind if it's coming in March or November 2017.
I really want them to show us what NX really is. Since the NX was mentioned, I've said it was far too soon. Then again, Iwata and Nintendo were in between a rock and a hard place at that point so the former had no choice but to announce the code name.
Some it's come to this huh NL, reddit rumours?
$299.00 seems about right for what's been rumored tech wise....
"1080p and 60fps reportedly a focus in promoting gameplay"
objectively already better than the competition
..sounds good..but these rumors..
..are making my head spin..
It's fake. That subreddit's verification methods are dubious at best.
Any rumor that details pricing is false.
Also, the "blue and white" packaging is a massive red flag. Regardless of what NX is, you can guarantee that they'll use the red and white color scheme in their marketing like they have been this past year.
OK, I have to ask, why are we still talking about a "hybrid"? Nothing has seemed like a hybrid since August.
"interact" does not equal "play" Would you call the Dreamcast VMU a "hybrid" b/c that's what boogie made it sound like, even though he basically recanted everything he said saying it was all just anonymous source rumors.
If you could "play" the games on the go why would anybody use the word "interact"? That doens't make any sense. Nintnedo isn't going to put a cell phone chip in a Gamepad 2, so they'll stick a little minigame in there. But "interact" doesn't sound anything like a hybrid to me. "Play games on the go" might equal hybrid, "interact with games on the go" equals Dreamcast VMU. Or as we like to call it today, a tablet. Microsoft likes to call it "smartglass". They even use the same word "interact". Not play, interact.
"Don't just watch your TV. Interact with it."
Ubi, Pokemon Company, Boogie, I haven't heard anybody mention anything that sounds like a hybrid, it's all sounded like a Dreamcast VMU type setup.
More NX rumors. One of these days Nintendo will reveal what this darn thing is.
@rjejr Ishihara's (Pokemon Company) comments totally pointed toward a hybrid though.
I think I'll be sad when it's revealed because I enjoy all these rumours, both the possibly plausible and the hilariously false.
@IceClimbers Hadn't thought of that, but now that you mention it I completely agree that the marketing will use red and not blue. Good call.
You are lucky to have such an opinion.
We just want a reveal.
I think one thing is painfully clear: this is certainly the handheld hybrid reported by Eurogamer. It just makes too much sense. Cartridges are also almost a sure bet if it is a handheld hybrid. Mario being on deck at launch I'm not sure I believe as I'd expect that Breath of the Wild will be all they need to sell like gangbusters.
The rest I give no credence, especially price talk. I'd imagine it comes in at $300 would be a safe enough bet, but charging much more than that would be extremely risky.
All of these rumors and wild speculation are in Nintendo's lap now. They've worked people into a frenzy and they are devouring every tidbit that comes out. Just announce the thing already.
@IceClimbers What red and white color scheme?
300$ seems ok. If you get a console and a portable that is
@Paddle1 This one:
I'm gonna end up dying of Sodium Chloride Overdose
If only Wikileaks would reveal it for us
Come on, Nintendo. Are you going to unveil this thing or is Reddit going to?
Make a decision. Time is running out.
...it'd be funny if it's finally revealed as this..
Blue and white — but distanced from the Wii and Wii U — mm hmm
What a not-catchy slogan, too.
Let's just file this under "I hope it's baseless".
Price means nothing when I don't know what it is.
I do think we might be in for a Mario-Zelda combo in launch window, though.
@rjejr problem with hybrid-or-not game is ... way too many potential scenarios like the VMU thing you are suggesting which just muddies things further, right?
I'm starting to chill about the whole thing again. We have a couple games lined up for Holidays. I won't be playing NX on January break but I'm pretty sure I'll know more by then... right, Nintendo?
Meanwhile VR is calling but I don't have the money.
@Paddle1 This red and white color scheme.
"it seems", "expected", "unclear", "potential"
Regardless, all the descriptions sounds like obvious graphic things that can be have a picture taken of. Why aren't there pictures?
@aaronsullivan I'll admit way to many scenarios, but all of the recent ones sound like a Wii U 2 to me, not a 4DS with TV out. Even the Pokémon company guy, while it was widely reported he said hybrid, he didn't. I'm still on the fence as to what the NX is, but it just seems to me whenever Nintendo Life does report on something, they are always leaning toward hybrid and twisting it that way. No mention of any other alternatives. And if any of the pricing is right, well they aren't going to let all those handheld people walk away, so even if there is an NX "hybrid" there still has to be a $100 4DS for the kids, who's very existence would mean NX wasn't a hybrid, b/c if it is a hybrid, then that's the only console you need.
300 bucks is the sweet spot for me. Splurging on a $400 bundle would require both BoTW and a new Metroid or a Spla2n title. All these rumors are fun. All the what ifs, the imagined disappointment on those faces when those rumors are shattered...
@IceClimbers Maybe you and others can read his comments that way, but I didn't. Lots of websites used the word hybrid to emphasize what he said, but he himself never used that word. At least not that I saw.
"The NX is trying to change the concept of what it means to be a home console device or a handheld device," before adding, "We will make games for the NX."
To me, if it was a hybrid, he would have said, "The NX is trying to change the concept of just how powerful a handheld device can be." The fact that he lead with "home" makes me think it isn't a hybrid. I could be wrong, but so could everybody else who thinks it is. Couple his comment with Ubisoft excitement and Boogie and I see Wii U 2, not 4DS.
I don't know if that's good or bad, and I can't imagine why anybody would buy a Wii U2, but that's what it currently looks like to me.
Um, yeah. I don't think so. For one, these are obviously intentionally vague and piggy-backing on previous rumors. For another, the packaging being "slightly larger than that of Wii U" contradicts those rumors that this is meant to imitate; why would a portable system need packaging that's larger than a system that came with not only a full-size console, but a giant bulky GamePad, and charging bricks for both? And the color of the packaging being white and blue? Really? Because that's the color of Wii U's packaging and branding, and common sense tells you that Nintendo would desperately want to avoid repeating Wii U in any way.
But more importantly, Nintendo would never disclose important details to anyone at the retail level with the exception of maybe top-tier executives, and you're not going to see Best Buy's and GameStop's CEO's blabbing to a subreddit. And even then, as close-to-the-vest as Nintendo are playing NX, I actually doubt they'd give anything other than the bare minimum shipping/stocking info to anyone at retail, even a high-level executive.
"$350 is too expensive, nobody's gonna buy it"
10 seconds later
"It's gotta be at least as strong as current gen consoles, or nobody will buy it"
welcome to the games industry
@rjejr Sure, he didn't exactly say hybrid. But he uses both the terms handheld and home console to explain it as game changer. I guess you can interpret how you want. But that seems to imply a device that is a hybrid of the two.
"Patience is a virtue"
Nintendo is really testing out the limits of that statement!
The NX is fake; Nintendo lied and is actually switching their production over to making pillows. The last few months of nonsense news is to make everybody sleepy enough to want the new pillows.
> 1080p and 60fps
THIS. The push for 4k in consoles is stupid IMO. Give me a locked [email protected] no matter what, and absolutely no pop-up in the horizon, and I'll be happy.
Talk, talk, talk all you want, NX rumors and speculation! But I want walk, walk, walk!
Hope a little and and be happy a little. The truth is out there!
These rumors sound fake and pathetic.
fake... nintendo NEVER EVER announces things like power or frame rate or even resolution... 100% BULLPOOP!!!!!
Fun times, can't wait.
Not sure why some folks are comparing the portable element to phone gaming. I mean, 3DS is distinct from phone gaming and NX is likewise - all Nintendo are doing is focusing console and handheld divisions onto one system.
@Angelic_Lapras_King Is that reality talking, or just your own frustration? Not trolling, I'm just not convinced that any of the hype and mystery about NX is bad for Nintendo. They have announced the launch window and they know we'll all keep discussing the system for the next six months, whatever happens.
"Interact with games on the go"
That sounds worrying...
Making companion apps or what have you would be an unnecessary strain on devs and would ultimately be quite unsatisfying. I can't even image what that would be like in the case of most games.
Also blue'n'white packaging sounds bull.
Can't wait for the announcement, I have a good feeling about this console, and no more rumours!
This is poor. Reporting on speculation from some random person on reddit just because a couple of the things mentioned vaguely line up with what your sister site reported, a report which is looking more shaky as time goes by, is disappointing.
People are annoyed by rumors nintendo, announce the day you'll unveil it before your fans lose any interest. It's gearing up to be another Wii u with people not knowing what your new system is. The rumors cause more confusion as to what the system ultimately is and why it matters.
These rumours have the distinct whiff of bullcrap... not buying much of this!
This isn't Nintendo news.
You know what I will believe 100% and I can 100% trust the sources? Official information! Get to it Nintendo!!
Just unveil the damn thing already . We don't need another Wii-U fiasco where most people didn't even know if was a new system.
Nothing of interest whatsoever.
'...the source is in a position to have potentially seen some information...' 🤔
I don't even know what to say about the rumors anymore... just reveal the NX already, Nintendo. I'm not even excited anymore.
BTW, blue and white package?! That's the same colors as the Wii U logo!
What's an NX? 😜
@Niinbendo they also said their QOL product is a non-wearable....like a pillow
It all fits!
@Yunio yeah! When will they start leaking important stuff like that and stop with the boring politics stuff?! lol
@chiefeagle02 Another rumor labeled as "News," no less.
Yawn, let me know when we have some actual info.
It's Sunday's. The sun is shining.
I don't know what the NX is...am I still welcome here?
I'm going to be disappointed if the actual NX falls short of all the expectations from these rumours.
I'm also going to be disappointed if the NX is exactly the same as what the rumours suggests since I'd like to be surprised.
I spent quite some buckets on 10 November on PS4 Pro and PSVR. Have 5 more months to save for NX. 😃😃
I think I've read the statement "just reveal it already" in it's various guises about 6 million times in the last couple of weeks. It'll happen when they're ready. No need to sound like a child in the back of a car. "Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?"
9th October No NX this thing is gonna fail so hard
This sounds great, but I doubt any of it is true. I just want an NX Direct from Nintendo themselves, showcasing the console and its launch titles, and they'd better do it this month! The console is releasing in under 6 months and no one knows anything about it. At this rate, it's doing worse than the Wii U.
Why do I feel like my dog when I constantly pretend to throw a ball in the backyard?
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Same. It needs to be significantly cheaper than PS4 and XBONE to compete.
....If I see another NX Rumor article again I'm gonna have miss Yukari Tanizaki here attack the author who wrote it.
I'm liking this Nintendo and media silence. It's going to be one heck of a launch. Literally people are going to be running around the streets of the world shouting "[insert name here] IS ANNOUNCED! REJOICE!"
Or so I hope....
I do hope the reveal is soon. But they might delay til xmas so that people will buy wii u and 3ds still. If it is a hybrid this will be the 3ds last christmas too unless it does indeed play 3ds games.
"Colour scheme on packaging said to be white and blue"
Wii u all over again. Sigh!
Nothing too outlandish in any of those rumors, though if it's three hundred bucks it better come with both the handheld and the console unit assuming it doesn't simply plug into your tv because people aren't going to buy a handheld alone for that much, as the 3DS proved at its launch.
No! No! It must be inexpensive to sell well, or else people won't buy it compared to a PS4 or Scorpio!
So does the bindle mean the portable part is optional?
I reckon mobile is going to plug into the console in a big way.
For example Miitomo could act as the social backend and Mii manager, Pokémon caught in Go could appear in a new Coliseum game when you got home (I like that idea!) all those coins from Mario Runner could add up to extra lives when you get home etc etc
It's like companion apps +50. And as soon as Sony and Microsoft find out they'll be jumping on the bandwagon, thus the secrecy.
The mobile games will remain independent releases but bonuses for home games would drive sales and downloads.
Well the Wii U didn't sell well at a high price, and it took a massive price cut for the 3DS to sell. But the problem here is no one knows what it is, I'd say as well it can't be more expensive than the PS4 pro for the bundle if it is a home console and handheld device.
I'd be pissed if it can't support HDR / 4K despite coming out waaaaay after the One S / PS4 Pro (pretty sure the PS4 Slim also supports HDR)
@Zach777 Yeah, the Quality of Life, better sleep product line. "We used to do games, now you can level up your life with NX-level sleep. Introducing Nintendo Pillows"
A white/blue colour scheme seems very unlikely, considering several Nintendo reps (including Kimishima-san himself) officially stated on several occasions that NX will be 'a clean break' from the Wii brand. Also, 300 bucks for a basic pack (whatever that might be) seems unrealistically high imo.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE price is perfect still cheaper then Xbox or playstation
So who here wants a standalone console (basically a PS4 made by Nintendo), and who wants a hybrid (~2x Wii U level power)?
I personally see more mainstream appeal in a hybrid; I worry that if they make a standalone console, it will be a sales flop.
Nintendo might not have the best sales.but they do have some if the best games
Depending on what their margins are on the Wii U, Nintendo should just sell whatever stock they have left with a nice price cut before Black Friday/holidays.
I don't see Nintendo revealing the NX untill December IMO. All this speculation is aiding Nintendo in keeping everyone in the dark... lol 😬
So... they've made a box for the NX... with blurred out pictures on it. Why bother making the box? U_u
'Interact with games on the go'? Just like you do on your 3DS/phone!
Imagine if the handheld unit was fully capable of online gaming. That would be a good selling point.
I have feeling if NX will be announced on 10 November 2016. Just look at NX itself. N is for November and X is for 10 in Roman number. But, it still my prediction. I'm not a paranormal either.
NX will be White and Blue ? Bigger box than Wii U ?
Mmmm... Color combination that I like so much
Hmmm, some of this sounds a little worrying to me just on the face of it (like the price). But, we really do need to know official details of this thing before I can decided if any of this stuff is actually good or bad.
@RadioHedgeFund i think your right and hope it's true. Will be a great idea.
Are we likely to encounter an alien within the next 2,000 years. Or are we alone in the Universe?
The answer to both is no.
That was a lot easier to answer than the NX thing.
It seems that all the NX needs to be is a hybrid that is more powerful than the PS4/XBO and priced at under $200; or else everyone will just buy a PS4/Pro/VR system for $700-$1000.
@UmbreonsPapa Or 2 seperate devices, a home console that has a Gamepad you can take with you and play VMU type games like the Dreamcast had, and also a 3DS type device w/ TV out. Unless you think Nintendo is going to completely abandon the low end of it's handheld market by telling everyone who wants to play handheld games has to spend $299 on a home console? How many parents are going to say "Let's not buy a $79 2DS, lets buy a $299 NX so the kids can game on that." Or even a $169 New 3DS.
So yes, a $299 home console with a portable component does make sense, but that's not cheap. So Nintnedo owudl still need to make a cheap handheld. And if there are 2 consoles, a cheap handheld and an expensive home w/ portability, can either 1 really be a hybrid? I suppose it depends on what you mean by "hybrid", a lot of people seem to think it means 2 consoles that work together, but to me that's "fusion" which was discussed way back in 2013. If there is only 1 console that does tv and home, that's a hybrid. But if there are 2 consoles, 1 hooked up to the tv w/ a portable controller, and 1 that's for handheld gamers, well neither of those can be "the" hybrid" to me.
Fusion in 2014, Nintendo News was nice enough to round up all 4 articles on 1 page.
Keep in mind, this was 1 year before Iwata said NX , which wasn't until 2015, and there is no mention of any hybrid, just 2 consoles working together. Now of course it's possible Nintedo decided to package the consoles together as 1 "NX" bundle, but to me that still wouldn't be a hybrid if there are 2 consoles if 1 box. I wouldn't call a PS4 and Vita or PSTV in 1 box a hybrid, just a bundle.
@UmbreonsPapa @IceClimbers Have to agree with @rjejr there.
There is absolutely NOTHING in this quote:
""The NX is trying to change the concept of what it means to be a home console device or a handheld device," before adding, "We will make games for the NX.""
that "totally" points to a hybrid or "that seems to imply a device that is a hybrid of the two". That's either reading (WAY too much) into it or wishful thinking. Well at least, if you would actually want a hybrid device, and there's a gazillion valid reasons for why you should NOT want such a device.
First off, he says OR, not AND, so there goes the theory of it being about combining the two. The simpler solution to what it actually more likely points to is that we as consumers have certain expectations of what a handheld or a console could and should do, but that doesn't mean that changing the way we view them can only be translated with "well, that must make it a hybrid then".
Even making the two being able to use the same games, as rumored in connection with the whole cartridge thing, would make us change how we view handheld and home console. And more inter-connectivity would also change our view, because that would not be the standard way of how both these devices should behave.
But that would sooner be a synergy, not a hybrid. A hybrid is one device/system/machine doing two things. If I have to connect two devices together to do one thing, then that is definitely NOT a hybrid.
Similar slogans have been used in marketing for a variety of products and services, and it's actually kind of a generic statement, to generate interest, based upon the idea that no one would be interested in yet another exactly similar product, so this one is obviously going to be new and "game changing".
The new Coca Cola is sugar free, and made with leafs of the Stevia plant, a natural sweetener, so that changes the way we view Cola as a harmful beverage and it changes the concept of drinking sodas. The new Mercedes is still a fast and luxurious car, but it is fully integrated with the latest tech making it the most silent and green car there is, so it will change the concept of what it means to drive a big, fast car.
But does that inherently change these two products? No, it doesn't, and as such there is also no need for Nintendo to duct tape together their two devices to make only one... (which, by the way would make it a VERY bad marriage of a possibly powerful handheld on one side, but with a decidedly weak home console component on the other, so that too makes it sound rather unlikely)
And while in the end, it could actually offer something new, experience-wise or other, that doesn't mean that it should be shoe-horned into some rumor that has no basis in reality, other than some vague claims of having "trusted" sources. Sources that no one can verify and that offer no tangible evidence whatsoever, contrary to the AMD Home console & DMP handheld camp.
I'll end this comment with the words of Nintendo themselves, which clearly also NEVER alluded to anything remotely sounding like a hybrid device:
@ThanosReXXX Thanks for that reminder. I actually think you are right. I don't see anything (outside of rumors) pointing out to a hybrid. Every official bit of info seems to suggest more a combined platform than a console. So, maybe, what we are getting this march is the home console part of the deal AND later on we will have the portable aspect as well. A different console that replace the 3DS but runs same architecture as NX and therefore maybe the same games but on the go. That would explain why Nintendo has abandoned Wii U but dedicated a whole Direct to let us know they will be supporting 3DS for all 2017.
3DS still supported during 2017. Don't forget, we still haven't get Trio of Towns, Ever Oasis, Yokai Watch 3 Sushi / Tempura, The Snack World, etc.
@Billsama Exactly. As far as we know now, the 3DS will be supported until at least Q3 2017, so if support simmers down after that, there could be an opening for a new handheld. And that could be introduced at next year's E3, although I'm also kind of expecting Nintendo to let us know about a new dedicated handheld a bit sooner than that.
But of course not too soon, so as not to impede sales for the 3DS. Unless of course the 3DS cartridges are compatible with that new handheld...
@SLIGEACH_EIRE really? The price is too high? Xbox one, PS4, iPhone, Samsung, ect. are ALL 300/400 dollars or more! And if it's a quality product, it's more than worth that price point. I'm tired of hearing people complain about price when all the competitors are selling it at the same or higher price. I think if that's the price, it's more than fair.
I'm not sure if I'm going to get the NX, but it's good that the price is only $300.
I'm ready to see what the console actually is! You've waited long enough, Nintendo!
What is nice about the rumors is they're all pointing in a great direction. I'm a big fan of wanting a hybrid and consolidating the library. Rumors of a power bump in line with with Nintendo's typical design philosophy add up too. Then there's the hype from anyone who's ever seen it. Ubisoft can't stop glowing about it, but nearly everyone who's been close to someone hands on comes with remarks like "wish we'd thought of it."
I want to see the thing, like now, but at least it sounds like it's shaping up behind the scenes.
@16bitdave But then that's a double-edged sword in its own right. People have had a long enough time now to digest that the Wii U is going out, so it's no longer a sticking point. If you reveal new hardware and then say that the Wii U is leaving, you cause a lot of negativity when you want to cause the most hype.
I think that them not showing anything by now has been quite damaging since hopes are now skyrocketed to the absolute maximum and some people will inevitably be disappointed when it doesn't live up to their unreasonably-high expectations, but to keep it a secret for so long would have been worse.
@iammikegaines you must be ok with the prices but I'm not. Why would people buy a wii u when it's dead and cost the same price as a ps4 which is supported. Even the PS3 still gets support.
Nintendo shouldn't charge the same as the ps4 or Xbox if it doesn't provide the same tech.
Remember Nintendo done good with the wii as the price was perfect and affordable as everyone could just pick it up and was bundled with games, yet cheaper than their competition and sold more.
@Shepdawg1 Yeah true. For me I don't mind the secrecy. I can wait and I'm sure whatever it is I'll like it anyways. There's never been a Nintendo console that I didn't enjoy
@ThanosReXXX @rjejr Fair points all around. I think at this point, its a matter of how you interpret the comments being made and how much stock you take in rumors. And I'm not saying I definitely believe it's a hybrid device. Or that I am necessarily clamoring for one. But I wouldn't dismiss the concept if it can be pulled off effectively (and reasonably affordably). I also think it's easy to come to that conclusion based on some of the off hand comments. Sure, Ishihara used "or" instead of "and". I don't think that necessarily rules out the concept. You could chalk it up to bad semantics or wording. Again, depends on what you are fishing for. Maybe its two separate devices sharing the same framework to make development easy and compatible between the two? Maybe its one device that functions as both? At this point, we are all speculating and grasping at straws.
I also think its a matter of Nintendo's intentions. I'm not suggesting they're lying about supporting the 3DS well into 2017. But I also don't think it's necessarily smart to outright declare the NX a replacement this early either when you haven't even announced the thing officially. There is also precidence from Nintendo themselves for going back on an idea to support different platforms simultaneously as opposed to outright replacing them. Wasn't the DS supposed to be a handheld alongside the Game Boy line, but ultimately became its replacement?
@Henmii Agreed. Red and black/white or bust. When will Nintendo understand those are their colors? It's as if they're sold on the idea that white and blue are family-friendly colors.
Ninty's red, Sony's blue, MS's green.
The semantic problem is real, though I understand your perspective.
If a home console can change what it means to be a handheld device then that hardly kills the idea off. Can a 'hybrid' not be one OR the other instead of one AND the other? Well... It isn't going to be used as each at the same time is it? If a system had two parts that were put together to make one part of the hybrid experience function, I would still call that a hybrid system. Plus, it wouldn't REdefine one AND the other, as the whole point is that it is new; it would just be defining that, and would be redefining having them as separate entities surely?
Regardless, it's one word, and it doesn't necessarily point to either scenario per sé imo. I agree it's unlikely to be a de facto hybrid system for similar reasons to those you have provided, though.
I'm surprised people are automatically thinking that $299 is too expensive though. That's the same price the PS2 was released at in 2000 and significantly cheaper than its last gen rivals were.
Nintendo's coming out with a new console?!?! That's all quite exciting. Rumours, however, are not.
@TearTheRoofOff Sticking a blender on top of a disc drive is also new, but that doesn't mean that it's going to happen...
And for a handheld to TV experience, $299 is WAY too expensive. Like I said before, the ONLY correct definition of a hybrid device is something that has two functions built into one, and to add to that (because I forgot to mention that in my previous comment) the two separate parts CANNOT function on their own, so they NEED to be permanently interconnected for any system/device/machine to qualify for the label of hybrid.
If I have some kind of mobile/handheld device that actually CAN operate on its own (and a home base that can do the same) then it is NOT and never will be a hybrid. No semantics possible, that's ironclad.
What that would be, is what I also mentioned before, and that's a synergy, and that is something that I actually believe is what it's going to be, a very close inter-connectivity between multiple devices (handheld, home console and/or mobile devices) to create the Nintendo version of Apple, the company that mr. Iwata thought is what Nintendo should become in the gaming industry, hence also the reason I posted that image with mr. Iwata's quotes, to remind people of what Nintendo actually plans to create: a unified system that is shared across an entire family of devices.
And that is how handheld and home consoles will truly become like brothers in a family of systems.
@ThanosReXXX "First off, he says OR, not AND, so there goes the theory of it being about combining the two."
Keep in mind that those are translated words, and even then there are plenty of contexts in which "or" is inclusive. Regardless, I don't think there's much (any) information to be gotten from that quote, so I'm definitley not with the crowd that thinks NX is 100% a confirmed hybrid device. We still don't know anything. Fun. ;P
Sometimes I think I ought to start my own little rumor...start by stating that F-Zero is coming out as a launch game for NX and make up some other fun things about the system too...see how long before that becomes believable.
I really don't get why people are so excited for the reveal of this...are they that bored with the Wii U, or are some of these people ones that never played the Wii U or just ditched the system? To me, if you have the Wii U, you should be happy with it and want to keep it around a little while longer, not be wanting to spend even more money on another console, more money on a second controller and even more money for newer games again and have another console you need to get used too and another e-shop to re-download games that were already downloaded and bought numerous times through the Wii, Wii U and 3DS.
I'll get the system...probably not on day one, as I'll wait to see what games will be available and make sure the E-Shop is up and running and there are games coming out a month later. Other than that, I still remember the E-Shop on the 3DS taking months to appear and months for some good Wii U games to come out (Pikmin 3). I guess it depends on the cost, what it does, what it will be, what games are coming with it, what games are launching with it and if the 3rd parties will continue to support it...in other words, wait until nintendo gives the reveal on it.
Other than that, even Gamestop (where I was a few days ago) told me that the nintendo rep said it will be revealed sometime this month (yup, I rolled my eyes). I get tired of all these people making rumors up for attention...all they do is change the date and get more people believing them. Anyone can make anything up and put it online.
@UmbreonsPapa "I think at this point, its a matter of how you interpret the comments being made and how much stock you take in rumors."
Well, you see: that's just the thing. I just read them AS IS, and don't interpret or try to make it fit into something else that has been said before. A lot of people are going with the completely unconfirmed hybrid theory and assume from there. In that case, any subsequent statement must somehow be applicable to that hybrid theory, so if you have that in your head, then that is what you will read into it, but in and of itself, that's just not what the statement says.
"You could chalk it up to bad semantics or wording."
Or bad translations, something that @rjejr also always keeps in mind, and I would say that unless it's an official statement from Nintendo themselves, that the possibility is there that the intention of the original comment has been lost in translation. If Nintendo makes a statement, it is translated by professionals and checked and double checked before it's conveyed to the media, so you can take what they say without the usual grain of salt for the most part.
"Again, depends on what you are fishing for. Maybe its two separate devices sharing the same framework to make development easy and compatible between the two? Maybe its one device that functions as both? At this point, we are all speculating and grasping at straws."
Well, I'm not fishing for anything other than factual information and tangible proof. And the factual info is pointing to an AMD home console and a DMP handheld, based on tangible proof of what they themselves are saying and doing and on other information sources surrounding them corroborating that. And I'm holding open an option that DMP (in case you don't know: Nintendo's chip supplier for the 3DS) could maybe also be the provider of the home console chip, but considering what has been said about ease of developing and porting etc. by Ubisoft developers, I would almost have no other choice but to conclude that NX must also be using the same architecture.
"I'm not suggesting they're lying about supporting the 3DS well into 2017. But I also don't think it's necessarily smart to outright declare the NX a replacement this early either when you haven't even announced the thing officially. There is also precidence from Nintendo themselves for going back on an idea to support different platforms simultaneously as opposed to outright replacing them. Wasn't the DS supposed to be a handheld alongside the Game Boy line, but ultimately became its replacement?"
Well, just looking at the games that are still going to come out for the 3DS, I'm estimating that support for the handheld will at least last until May 2017, and probably even a bit longer, because it's not just going to instantly disappear after that, unless like I also already said in a previous comment, the new handheld can also play 3DS cartridges, which actually isn't all that far-fetched if you think about it, so who knows?
So, I'm in complete agreement with you that if any new handheld is going to be released, that it will indeed be a replacement, but they will overlap somewhat in the beginning, with the 3DS slowly being phased out over a certain period of time.
@greengecko007 "Regardless, I don't think there's much (any) information to be gotten from that quote"
That is certainly something that we can agree on 200%.
@ThanosReXXX Great points. Appreciate the healthy debate. Don't get this on a lot of other gaming sites. Exciting times, nonetheless. I just hope we are at the end of the line, as far as getting an official reveal and info.
@UmbreonsPapa You're most welcome. And likewise.
Could "Backwards Compatibility" be possible via streaming from Wii U/3DS? Honest question. Sorry, I'm not real tech savvy.
@UmbreonsPapa As for that reveal and info, I'm still going for this month, but no idea which day. There is however a little thing called a shareholders meeting on the 26th, so it would be good to get the reveal out of the way before then, so they can discuss further plans and strategy in that meeting, something especially the major shareholders will want them to do...
so sick and tired of the rumours, Nintendo not saying anything, and going to this site and seeing them cater to this rumour crap because there is literally NOTHING else for news right now thanks to Nintendo being so freakin' quiet right now!
SHOW THE NX ALREADY!!!! >< This is seriously the first time I'm tired of a console before I even own the thing, or even know anything about it!
@Tabi_zmttns Short answer: yes, theoretically it could be possible, but they would have to fit something inside the NX to enable it to communicate with the Wii U/3DS.
However, practically, that's very convoluted so it probably not going to happen. If both the handheld and home console are going to use cartridges, there is a realistic possibility that it will offer some backward compatibility with 3DS cartridges, especially in the handheld.
As for Wii U backward compatibility: options are emulation or re-releases on cartridge, and I've even read rumors mentioning a SoC (System on a Chip, which means a tiny version of the Wii U on a chip inside the NX, something that was also done with the Wii inside the Wii U) and a disc drive add-on for Wii U discs.
I can also realistically imagine a system that would allow you to download digital versions of your Wii U games, for example by Nintendo verifying your purchase through the game code/serial number or by checking what games are tied to your NNID (assuming that this will be transferrable to NX). But it's all pretty much guesswork on how they will handle backward compatibility, if they are going to have any at all.
If they are going for a SoC, then there will indeed have to be some way to transfer the Wii U game to NX, either by streaming, downloading or indeed some kind of external disc drive, and if they go for emulation then they will need a pretty powerful system, which could also be a good thing, but then it would have to be a system that is more powerful than the PS4, at least, if they want to provide decent emulation.
@Thanos. Thanks for the explanation ^_^
Interesting addition to the discussion:
Leaker is supposed to be employed at a large retailer, his resumé checked out after having been reviewed by Reddit's mods...
@Tabi_zmttns You're welcome.
@Uncensored Who are you asking this question to?
@ThanosReXXX So some dude who works for Tesco
I think people are expecting Nintendo to come in weaker than Sony/Microsoft. As such, the $299 may be okay, but isn't exactly enticing. It's not the Xbone S edition, but Microsoft has recently sold the Xbone as low as $229 new.
I'm much more worried if the 4 launch games is correct though. If that's true, they'll have to be 4 games better than any the Wii U had to get consumers interested.
I'm calling BS, just based on Mario. Miyamoto said at E3 2016 that he was working on the next big Mario game, and that it was a brand new take on the formula, but he wouldn't be ready to talk about it until E3 2017 at the earliest.
Now sure, this rumor could instead be talking about Mario Maker, Mario Kart, or some other spin-off, or even a HD remake of 64, Sunshine or Galaxy. Still, As one of just four launch titles. It'd be a terrible move if the Launch titles for NX where Zelda (a Wii U game), Smash (a Wii U+3DS game), Mario (a port or remake of an older game), and then one final game that's an actual NX exclusive.
@CamWFC91 Why Tesco? Because they were mentioned in some earlier rumor? It doesn't necessarily have to be Tesco. They're basically giant super markets, so he might not be working there. Maybe Game Stop or any other dedicated retailer instead of an all-in-one warehouse.
@cleveland124 Like I said before: $299 for a handheld, even a powerful one with connect to TV capabilities, is far too expensive. For that it would indeed have to be a portable Xbox One...
And I suspect you're right about people thinking Nintendo will come in weaker, but I don't think they will. Between PS4 and PS4 Pro sounds most likely for a dedicated console with some sort of streaming controller, and then the price could also fit.
As for the launch games, at one time mr. Miyamoto said they had well over 21 projects in the works for NX, so 4 at launch seems very few indeed. I would think at least 6, plus a number of third party titles, probably making the total around 12 titles at launch.
And are we talking 4 dedicated NX titles or do they include the rumored Wii U remakes? Rumors are varying between 13 and 15 titles at launch in total, so we'll see how it all pans out.
Either way, they'd better nail it from day one, or things will probably go pear-shaped real fast...
Personally I think you make some good points about the difficulties of pulling off a console/ handheld hybrid as a marketable device, that delivers on the promise of both. And, I also wonder if Nintendo has the ability to successfully market such a device, even if the technology and infrastructure was mature enough to do so - for both.
Having said that, things do change in terms of company statements and direction. We only need to look as far as DeNA to see the truth of that. Or Mario Run etc.
Certain developments may have come together that has Nintendo believing they can deliver on the promise of both and if so, then I'd still be interested in seeing that happen. But again, you do bring a common sense argument to all the speculation.
Any way Nintendo has chosen to play it, I just hope they reveal the thing soon. They've got us all hanging on, now's the time to let the concept drop and begin building on the reality of marketing their next system.
@GizmoGadgets I see that with a bit more nuance as well: mr. Iwata has said that you will never see any of their big, main stream titles on mobile, and that still holds up, because it's only spin-offs and mini games.
They always stated that the reason for the move to mobile was to lure that specific demographic back to dedicated gaming systems, it was never meant as replacement for real Nintendo gaming.
And personally, I'm going by mr. Kimishima's statements. He has quite elaborately explained on many occasions that he would not touch the core idea of the plans that mr. Iwata had already laid out before his untimely passing, so only minor changes will have been made, more than likely to account for changes in economics/financials and the market. But a complete change of going from two dedicated devices to a single hybrid one doesn't fit in that picture.
Even mr. Miyamoto and other representatives have stated that they would execute mr. Iwata's plan to the letter, also wanting to make NX as good as it can possibly be in honor of him.
If plans would have rigorously changed, then we should at least have seen some hints pointing to that in their last quarterly report, and there is no such info to be found, indicating that the original plan that mr. Iwata had, is still very much the one they went for.
A hybrid doing a little of both devices really doesn't sound like being the ticket at all and I can't imagine a person like mr. Iwata thinking that this would be what would get them back on track.
And I also don't think they have the marketing power to put their backs into marketing such a divisive system. I'm a sales & marketing professional myself, and I just don't see that happening.
And you can also wonder that if it truly is only one device, then why the heck would they need two dedicated marketing leads? That was made clear by two job openings they posted quite a while ago, specifically stating a marketing lead for handheld and one for home console. One marketing lead would be enough for a hybrid device...
@ThanosReXXX Could such an integrated platform possibly mean a truly integrated account system (at least in theory)?
@ThanosReXXX "Even mr. Miyamoto and other representatives have stated that they would execute mr. Iwata's plan to the letter, also wanting to make NX as good as it can possibly be in honor of him."
@Sakura I would certainly hope so. Mr. Iwata has repeatedly cited Apple as an example, and also speculated on better integration of online services and account systems, so I would certainly hope they'd get with the times this time around. I guess time will tell...
@Moshugan Months ago, some time after his passing. In interviews with Mr. Miyamoto they expressed these exact words that they would make NX the best it could be in honor of Iwata.
Some time later, mr. Kimishima stated that he wouldn't change the core of mr. Iwata's plans.
Couldn't find the exact sources anymore. Links below are closest to what I said in the last couple of comments:
Quote from another (forum) article (singled it out because the article is several pages, so easier to just quote the relevant part):
@ThanosReXXX Thanks for the effort of finding the sources! I really appreciate it.
Okay, while none of the comments linked say exactly that they're committed to seeing that the specific plans of Mr. Iwata are executed to the letter, the spirit of those comments communicate true respect, and knowing Japanese culture I'm sure they will want to honor Iwata's vision to the best of their abilities. Not only in the same design philosophy, but also in the actual plans for NX.
@Moshugan You're welcome. I believe the statements from mr. Kimishima must be in one of the quarterly reports, which could be why I couldn't find them.
But talking about searching: I personally feel that Google has gotten worse instead of better. Back in the day, you could enter Booleans and exact search terms by putting them between quotation marks, but when I tried to find the "For Iwata!" quote, I had to try multiple search terms and browse through a bunch of pages, in the end only finding it on a forum page, but I am certain I've read an interview with mr. Miyamoto in which he said that they were going to put every effort into it to make sure that the NX was going to be the best it could be in honor of Iwata, but unfortunately I wasn't able to find that specific interview anymore.
These rumors still mean little. Until Nintendo finally shows the thing, I don't believe any of the rumors, even though at this point most may be true.
@rjejr Side note: I literally just started watching Quantum Leap on Netflix again today. Honestly though, the rumor mill has become so saturated now, I'm not sure whether I believe we actually know anything anymore.
At this point, I've given up on NX being revealed on this month.
You presented some very interesting points.
Based on everything I have read from Nintendo about the NX I am sticking to my prediction that it will be two separately sold consoles (hand and TV) that can be combined to work together on a unique level never implemented before.
I do no believe it is a hybrid system sold together. It will have to be absolutely of the poorest specs and quality to sell such a system at a reasonable price.
Let time tell.
We have BoTw to do that!
@Hotfusion If that is what you believe, then I'd say we're pretty much on the same wave length...
And personally, I also think that the special gimmick has not been leaked yet, so inter-connectivity between home and handheld or being able to exchange cartridges between the two isn't the real secret. I hope they will reveal it before the end of this month, because after all these months, I'm kinda done talking rumors and speculating...
Hey guys my alphabet soup had noodles shaped like the letters N and X right next to each other. Soup features confirmed for NX and it will double as a table and bowl combo. Breath of the Wild is now renamed Broth of the Wild to reflect this revelation.
To be honest and I'm not strictly disagreeing with you here, is that it's probably a little too early to say how Nintendo views mobile - as they only just start to provide experiences for that platform.
I'm quite ok with the strategy to turn casual gamers into core gamers and read that also back when it was articulated. And yet, we have no real idea on how mobile will shape Nintendo's focus towards mobile experiences should their popularity continue to show such promise. In another way, Mario Run is a top franchise IP shaped for the platforms it will be playable on. It could be simply said that not making console experiences on a mobile platform something more akin to common sense.
From where I'm standing currently I would wager that NX is a concept of two independent halves. Like you've speculated, not a true "hybrid" device and that would be perfectly fine. In fact, so would a truly hybrid device if Nintendo had all the parts to put it together in a package that satisfied the needs of both physical play types. They certainly have me wanting to know more, but the latter as we both agree I think could be beyond Nintendo's ability to deliver.
@Capital70Q I believe we know everything, we've been given every piece of a jigsaw puzzle, only we've been given them upside down and we have to put the puzzle together w/o turning them over. And it's a 500 piece puzzle and we've been given 1 piece a day for the past 2 years. I'll be shocked if any 1 group is right, and I'll be shocked if there is anything new we haven't already read about somewhere. I have no idea what the final product is or what it will look like, but I feel like I'll be able to recognize all of the pieces when I see it. If I don't die of old age before then.
@Apple-sensei Yeah, but I also see a lot of drama and complaining because "the rumors said THIS, but the NX is THAT! Canceling my pre-order!"
All this hype and speculation is going to bite people in the behind. People are already painting this picture of a dream console, and whatever the NX really is, it's going to smear some pictures, and drama will ensue.
@technotreegrass As is tradition.
The endless rumours are tiresome. I dont need a new Nintendo console just yet as i have way too many other games to play on wiiu, but................i would love to just see something. Im burnt out on the NX before its even here.
Give me a Metroid though and ill change my tune very quickly.
They not neccesarily need to choose red and black, as long as they choose a cool color. Or at least colors that are not asociated with the Wii or Wii u. It must be promoted as a totally new console, otherwise it will fail soooo hard!
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@GizmoGadgets Agreed on mobile for the most part, although I actually do think that they already know and will stick to the plan of what they want to do with mobile. It's never going to be that influential for them that they would trade their handheld business for mobile; it's an entirely different market, with different demographics and expectations. I think you summed part of it up with "It could be simply said that not making console experiences on a mobile platform something more akin to common sense."
It's always going to be mobile games, that are in no way comparable to triple A console or handheld titles with the same IP's. A Mario Run on a console would at best be a part of a level, not a full game.
"From where I'm standing currently I would wager that NX is a concept of two independent halves. Like you've speculated, not a true "hybrid" device and that would be perfectly fine. In fact, so would a truly hybrid device if Nintendo had all the parts to put it together in a package that satisfied the needs of both physical play types."
The problem with that, though is that it once again touches on the potential problem of two devices either both not being really good/powerful or only the handheld being powerful and the home console being decidedly underpowered, again, and I don't see them being able to put that in a package to satisfy the needs of both physical play types at all.
More than likely, the dedicated home console players will be left seriously wanting something better/more powerful and not some kind of wonky "click handheld into base to play on TV" kind of device.
So, I would rather see two independent wholes instead of halves, but these two complete devices could still interact in ways that we may not even have thought of yet, and maybe it's that very thing that is making everybody so enthusiastic behind the scenes, who knows?
"They certainly have me wanting to know more, but the latter as we both agree I think could be beyond Nintendo's ability to deliver."
Color me crazy curious, and like you'd probably already guess, I also don't see them deliver the latter, because that would require way more powerful hardware to satisfy all needs, and at best, a handheld would still be below Xbox One power, and some kind of base/dock would only marginally improve that. Unless it's going to be really expensive, and that is also not going to happen.
I think we're going to see two dedicated devices:
first off, a dedicated home console, with some kind of GamePad 2.0 controller that you can take with you on the go, and later in the year a dedicated handheld. All devices will share some kind of highly integrated inter-connectivity, and that will also include being able to communicate/share with smart devices.
And another big reason why I don't see a hybrid as a possibility is that if they are going to support the 3DS for at least another 10 months (according to the release schedule of the upcoming games, which already has titles slated for July 2017) then they would not release another handheld type of device that could eat into those sales. That would be a VERY stupid move on their part, so I'm expecting a home console to release first.
And if people want to delude themselves into thinking that a dedicated home console with some kind of streaming controller is a hybrid device, because they somehow have to make the picture fit with that crazy EuroGamer rumor, then they're welcome to it, far as I'm concerned.
To me, it's just a dedicated home console with a fancy, streaming controller. If that is a hybrid, then so is the Wii U...
I like White color for video games. Maybe most people especially male gamer will choose Black as their choces (Maybe they will feel manly or like a real gamer if they choose Black / Black looks cool maybe) but i want White, because i like to be different and at least White color should be available for NX. And then i can decorate with my heart desire.
@ThanosReXXX A truly integrated account system would certainly be a new concept for Nintendo gamers!
What would be your opinion on a name for the console(s)? As a marketing exec, do you think that the NX codename is now so entrenched that not using it might confuse? Or is that easy enough to put right?
@Sakura Honestly, I don't have any idea for a good name, I also have NX engraved in my brain...
(and Fusion, but like Nintendo keeping the NX name, that's also based on an old rumor)
But if that's also going to be the final name? Could be, but as some people have already pointed out, and not just on this site, there are already multiple devices with NX in the name: cars, motor cycles and even washing machines to name but a few.
And I do believe that some of these names are even registered so I'm not sure if Nintendo could still use it, even if they wanted to.
Normally, they wouldn't even use it, since they've never used a code name as a final name before.
But any name they come up with can be right, if the marketing campaign surrounding it is done right, something they royally failed at doing with the Wii U.
If a product delivers and has value for the customer, the name is of minor importance in the end.
Slogans and commercials are, however. Are they going to bring back something like "Now You're Playing With Power"? And will they be able to back it up too? Those are the real questions. In other words: will the image they paint us hold up once we get whatever NX is in our living room.
@ThanosReXXX I see, thank you. Might be difficult to dislodge from part the fanbase at first, but not a problem as long as the marketing is done well.
They do have the new slogan, "There's no play like it". I'm not 100% sold on that. It could be argued that that was precisely the problem with the Wii U. Some would contend that the Wii U was underpowered and delivered a subpar performance compared to the Xbone and PS4, it certainly had few AAA games, had an unwieldy controller, it's gimmicky, etc. People didn't want play like that, they wanted something more comparable to the other consoles. They really are going to have to fully explain the appeal of whatever new concept they have.
Hm.... about the slogan, how about "Playing with Revolutionary" ?
Or "Gaming goes evolved" ?
@ThanosReXXX I'm almost certain that the "For Iwata!" bit has originated in a rumor and no official sources have corroborated it.
That link with Shiggy's comment was basically saying that they are committed to making development results that Iwata would have appreciated, so it's almost like saying that they're committed to making the NX the best it could be.
@Sakura Yep, marketing has to be spot on this time. And perhaps some extended Nintendo Directs to further explain and showcase it before the release.
@Anti-Matter Horrible, both. And very bad English.
@Moshugan True, but it does sound like something they would do. Remember: mr. Iwata was very loved and he even opted to take a salary cut instead of laying off several employees, so I can definitely see them wanting to make NX the best it can be in honor of him.
And the article with mr. Miyamoto does seem to hint at that. And also to plans being executed as is. I don't think mr. Iwata would have appreciated his plans laid out so carefully being tampered with to change NX into something entirely different from what he had envisioned...
The NX is still very much mr. Iwata's brainchild, and as such, I don't think they've strayed from the original plan.
@Anti-Matter I suppose they could go with something like "The evolution of gaming", but with VR coming out it might be a better fit for PS4. Depends what exactly the NX is ....
Capturing the interest of YouTubers might also be crucial this time round. Whatever is chosen, I feel that Nintendo is going to have to show that they can back up whatever claims are made.
Having said that, many people don't seem particularly swayed by fact (just look at pretty much any political debate), relying more on adhesion to a nebulous set of values belonging to an ill-defined interest group. I don't know the first thing about marketing to YouTubers, but I do feel that social media is an extra layer, a particular audience that Nintendo has to market towards as intermediary evaluators, as well as direct to consumers. Word of mouth is now global and pretty much instantaneous.
I'm sorry for my poor English. I'm Indonesian, not Western people.
@Anti-Matter No need to be sorry. Actually, I am. Took a quick look at your profile after I commented, and saw that you're not a native English speaker, so my bad.
Meh, just another basic NX rumor. Sounds reasonable, but not too extraordinary. Doesn't even sound that great really. I'd buy it this way, but can Nintendo just reveal the thing already! It's 5 months until its launch, come on Ninty!
Meh, still think that's semantics.
Also, price wise, it would really depend on what the system actually is - $299 for this gen, if it's a great system? No way is it WAY too expensive. Insta-rejection of the price is ridiculous.
Yes, what they actually do is anyone's guess given their history. I also believe that a device trying to do two things at once would require some kind of breakthrough in hardware's performance to cost ratio.
There's potential problems in any direction Nintendo takes it and that's just part of the terrain for them given the Wii and Wii U disparity all round. (Not making any judgements on games, still Nintendo's strength. Or strictly a hardware comment. More so the differences between how the two relate to their respective generations and in terms of how they compare to each other in consumer popularity).
On the mobile discussion, I'm undecided. I've seen my own fair share of derailments in products and marketing priorities. Regardless of what types of experiences Nintendo will focus on with casual platforms, those experiences are beginning to gain real weight. I'd like to place my confidence in Nintendo's continued focus on dedicated experiences and I don't see that changing any time in the immediate future as the NX is real. However, a lot I think depends on how that turns out.
@TearTheRoofOff You're free to think what you want, but I think I made a decent case backing it up, so it's pretty clear to me that it's not.
As far as prices are concerned, $299 for a handheld, no matter if it's better than a PS Vita or whatever, is way, WAY too expensive. Regardless of whether or not you can connect it to the TV or if it comes with some kind of kickstand that can slightly upgrade the graphics.
A $399 price point is even further out of the realm of dedicated handheld devices, so it better have home console written all over it if that is indeed the amount they are going for.
@GizmoGadgets "Yes, what they actually do is anyone's guess given their history. I also believe that a device trying to do two things at once would require some kind of breakthrough in hardware's performance to cost ratio."
Indeed, and none of the current available chip manufacturers will be able to deliver that for a price that Nintendo will be willing to pay. Mr. Kimishima said the system will be affordable, but will not be sold at a loss. Sounds like a decent system for a decent price, but not like a cheap handheld to TV contraption that can do a little of both...
"There's potential problems in any direction Nintendo takes it and that's just part of the terrain for them given the Wii and Wii U disparity all round. (Not making any judgements on games, still Nintendo's strength. Or strictly a hardware comment. More so the differences between how the two relate to their respective generations and in terms of how they compare to each other in consumer popularity)."
Good point, agreed.
"On the mobile discussion, I'm undecided. I've seen my own fair share of derailments in products and marketing priorities."
Interesting topic. I've mentioned this a couple of times before on the site in various articles, but in case you missed it: I am a b2b sales & marketing professional myself, specializing in IT solutions (hardware and software) with almost 18 years of experience under my belt (46yo already... ) and currently, I manage my own small business.
On NLife I'm first and foremost a gamer, but of course I can't avoid looking at certain things from a professional point of view, both on the topic of marketing and hardware, so if you say something like that, then it definitely triggers and interests me.
"Regardless of what types of experiences Nintendo will focus on with casual platforms, those experiences are beginning to gain real weight. I'd like to place my confidence in Nintendo's continued focus on dedicated experiences and I don't see that changing any time in the immediate future as the NX is real. However, a lot I think depends on how that turns out."
Oh, I am convinced that they will (adapt their focus over the years); the rise of smart device gaming is unstoppable, unfortunately as far as I am concerned, because I still think that no matter how good they look or how well made they are, that smart platform games are still quite a ways off from being on par with dedicated gaming devices, in more ways than one.
And I think that for now, that confidence, or at the very least a cautious optimism is warranted as far as the NX is concerned. I believe it will be their last big push into the market to gain some traction again. So there's everything to gain and a lot to lose if they fail, so I think they're going to do their utmost, or otherwise they might go handheld only, or maybe even relegate themselves to media and theme parks.
But I think it's definitely possible, and they don't need to beat Sony: they just need to gain enough of a percentage to turn a profit, and that is entirely possible if they handle things right.
A good marketing campaign, clearly showing what NX is, what it can do and why it is different and why we should (want to) buy it and a steady flow of games from their own stables, combined with enough third party support to keep the average Joe happy.
And let's hope that they have indeed nailed it with the hardware. Personally, I'm at the point that I don't care what's inside, even though I do have my own preferences, but the games and the support is the most important and for that they WILL need capable hardware and compatible hardware, as in: similar to the other two in order to ensure easy porting/simultaneous development.
The Vulkan API and Xenko Game Engine will go a long way in assisting them where cross-platform development is concerned, but having the same hardware would obviously be even better.
We have similar life experiences. Self Employed medium sized enterprise focusing on Turnkey ERP solutions based in HK. 10 years younger than yourself, but I have worked for some (2) of the larger companies on the planet in sales/ marketing and financial departments.
I'm always open to any viewpoint that is made in earnest. Sometimes people with much less "professional experience" can determine opinions worth taking note of. In those cases I colour myself fortunate to have made discussions with them.
I'm not really sure if I'm placing a lot of my own professional experience into current opinions on ways Nintendo might take it. But, certainly they must influence opinions on some level.
I've been a gamer for as many years as I can remember having memories and a Nintendo gamer for almost as long as that. My interests in gaming stems from the hobby formed over the last 30+ years. I like to discuss more so my opinions on gaming topics from that perspective.
Looking forward to further discussions in gaming with you. I'm relatively new to this community, but not new to topic discussions on gaming around the net in general. Looking for a place where such discussions can be made with like minded people on the topic of gaming and Nintendo in general.
I couldn't agree more regarding Nintendo's "need" to step up to the plate and play ball with NX and genuine, focused marketing. Last generation I got the impression Nintendo's development and executive divisions were out of sync and as such, they failed to promote a coherent message. NX cannot afford the same mistakes.
@nab1 I could be wrong here but ur sayin 4K > [email protected] should the symbol be the other way?
@Maxg Actually, I meant to use the ">" symbol as a way to quote the article, but I may have gotten my markdown syntax wrong
If it can be 'synergized' or what not to play as a home console then it isn't overpriced at all. If it was a pure handheld upon release then it would most likely be a little steep; as I said, we'd have to wait and see. Talk about running before the baton is passed.
And even if a system comprises two stand alone elements that can function individually then I'm pretty sure most people would be happy to call that SYSTEM a 'hybrid' as the system itself performs two functions. You can make the distinction between one element which performs both functions and two elements that perform both but I really don't see the need. You appear to, and if that is a technical definition of a hybrid system then so be it, but I really don't see how this is just arguing over definitions rather than more importantly what people are imagining the system can do for them.
If they sell two separate systems that synergize then that fits your bill to a T and I will fully understand the need for the distinction when decribing the console, but if both parts are sold as one package, then suffice to say I see no pragmatic reason for it.
@TearTheRoofOff Yeah well, I can't help it that the actual definition of a hybrid (in this specific case) is one system doing two things, so it would appear to me that to the distinctive mind, two devices working closely together will not be seen as a hybrid. The meaning of the word is not my interpretation of it, but the actual explanation.
The most simple example that I think everybody knows is the hybrid car: one system, can drive on fuel and on electricity, hence hybrid. The official description is one thing comprised of two different elements permanently intertwined. Plants can also be hybrids if we mix two species and a mule is another example...
But in all seriousness, if the EuroGamer rumor happens to be true for some crazy reason, then I will agree that it is a hybrid, because then the home base/stand/dock NEEDS the handheld to be inserted in order for it to be able to play games on the TV.
But if it can operate on its own without the handheld? Once again: not a hybrid. And there's not an ounce of semantics in there to be found...
@GizmoGadgets Well, welcome to NLife then, and nice to find a colleague. I always thought that sales & marketing is pretty prevalent and can be found in all areas, but I haven't found many sales or marketing guys on various sites that I frequent, NLife included. And color me "slightly" jealous on your whereabouts...
I myself was once part of a "company for hire", sort of like a free lance sales & marketing firm where other companies could ask us to do their services or campaigns for them. We started with international help desk and sales support for HP, then later on I have done the same for various antivirus solution providers (Symantec, Kaspersky, Norton etc. ) and after that I've done sales & campaigns for Microsoft, Google, VMWare and HP again, mostly for graphical workstations/CAD systems and Blade servers.
"I'm always open to any viewpoint that is made in earnest. Sometimes people with much less "professional experience" can determine opinions worth taking note of. In those cases I colour myself fortunate to have made discussions with them."
Oh, I can assure you that people like that can be found here. Just because they're not in the same business as we are, doesn't mean that we can't have any meaningful discussion with them. I've found a couple of like-minded, level-headed and downright smart (and funny) people here, that I have discussions with on a regular basis, some more than others. I could name you a few, but I think you need to find out on your own, and just because I can get along with them, doesn't mean you will too. In any case, hope you'll enjoy being part of the NLife community.
"I'm not really sure if I'm placing a lot of my own professional experience into current opinions on ways Nintendo might take it. But, certainly they must influence opinions on some level."
I absolutely think that this is the case. Something you've learned cannot be unlearned. Once you've learned to see right through certain tactics that companies use, you will always see that, and that will influence your opinion/viewpoint. It's like having learned some type of martial art: if you get into a fight, you will instinctively use it, even though it may not be allowed to use it on the street. Every skill we learn or every bit of knowledge we gain influences us on a base level. Could be subconscious, but it's still there...
"I've been a gamer for as many years as I can remember having memories and a Nintendo gamer for almost as long as that. My interests in gaming stems from the hobby formed over the last 30+ years. I like to discuss more so my opinions on gaming topics from that perspective."
Started with a Pong console myself, on a black & white TV at the age of 5. Then we got an Atari 2600, and after that, I got acquainted with Nintendo, and have been with them ever since. But I have also acquired some other tastes and consoles: besides all my Nintendo systems and handhelds, I also have a Sega Dreamcast and an Xbox 360. Because of me starting my company earlier this year, I haven't joined the current generation yet, and with the new one arriving soon, I will be two systems behind, but sometimes life takes precedence over hobbies, right?
"I couldn't agree more regarding Nintendo's "need" to step up to the plate and play ball with NX and genuine, focused marketing. Last generation I got the impression Nintendo's development and executive divisions were out of sync and as such, they failed to promote a coherent message. NX cannot afford the same mistakes."
Yeah, I have been close to being stupefied by the mistakes I've seen made, and marketing opportunities missed. The confusion on what it was, has been there from day one, and in some areas they STILL think that the GamePad belongs to the Wii.
I still vividly remember that right before the release, a couple of trucks full of Wii U's heading to shops were stolen, and the news reported that it was trucks full of "Wii consoles". Later on this was somewhat rectified by stating "apparently, the stolen consoles are not Wii's but Wii U's, Nintendo's new console".
Any self respecting reporter would have to at least find it strange that so many years after the release of the Wii there would still be trucks full of them driving around...
Here's an article about it:
I was more talking about, how do you call it, brand image. Like the color of the logo, boxes, etc. I have nothing against a NX in every color, personally I have a white Wii u (though I would have prefered the black version). But if the NX-console boxes and the game boxes look identical to the Wii u ones, that's not very good. It would show to the public that the NX is just a upgraded Wii u!
There is an ounce when that is what people actually mean when they say it. If the definition they are using is incorrect? Still a semantic issue, at least in the sense of implication. In terms of the actual definition, there is no semantic issue to be had in and of itself though, I agree with that.
@TearTheRoofOff Well, imho if people say it is a hybrid because they think that's what it is, then that's not semantics, that's just people not understanding what a hybrid is actually supposed to be.
That'll be in large part due to the EuroGamer rumor, that put the term hybrid in the media and the minds of the people, so let's suppose for argument's sake that the rumor is true or partially true: then, even if it isn't a true hybrid, they'll probably still call it that because of that word having been used so much over the course of the last months.
It kind of reminds me of the whole GamePad thing: Nintendo initially NEVER called it a "tablet controller" because it isn't. Nothing in there even remotely qualifies as it being a tablet (not autonomous, not the right type of touch screen etc. etc.), but during development, the rise of the tablet began, so when it finally came to market, the masses started pointing and shouting "Oh, look. A tablet controller!" and the media took over and so it became a tablet controller. It got so out of hand that even Nintendo themselves adopted the label in the end.
And all that happened and got generally accepted, while what it actually is, is nothing but an enlarged lower half of a Nintendo DS. If that makes it a tablet controller, then the DS and 3DS are tablet handhelds. But then you'll hear people say that because of their form factor that suddenly doesn't apply anymore...
People can be really weird creatures sometimes. And so easily influenced by all kinds of sources...
That's very true. I guess I just meant that it's semantics in the simplest terms, that being the implicated meaning behind words, and how people may have got that mixed up rather than necessarily the philosophy of how they actually think the new console would work; as if they've misunderstood the definitions rather than necessarily the actual concept. Sorry for the misunderstanding here; I concur with your synopsis.
Labels are very curious things and can cloud our intentions, despite being simple things in most cases. I appreciate your time clarifying all this.
Are you generally looking forward to what you feel the system is likely to be? As in - correct me if I misrepresent - different self sufficient pieces of hardware as part of a thematic synergized system?
@TearTheRoofOff Yeah, I'm always curious about new Nintendo hardware. I still think it's going to be two dedicated devices, with a console to be released first, and a handheld some time later, so as not to eat into the 3DS's sales, and the console will have some kind of streaming controller, GO controller, or GamePad 2.0 if you will.
And all will be able to work together in some new kind of way, because they will use some shared platform/OS, which is actually what I think NX is, so NX is not so much the device, but an ecosystem that mr. Iwata always envisioned...
But even if I'm completely wrong, in which case I will be sorely disappointed at first (especially if it is the wonky tablet thing that EuroGamer describes, because I just don't think that this contraption will be able to deliver a true next gen experience that people and developers will be enthusiastic about) but in the end I will keep following them and if they manage to pull it off and make it a success, then in the end all that matters will be the games, and I will always want to play Nintendo's games.
I'm still expecting that they will reveal the damn thing before their quarterly meeting on the 26th, so here's hoping that I'm at least right about that...
@yomanation Bit of a backlog again? A week old thread...
Anyway, as for the whole "it's a hybrid" thing: I don't agree at all. What the Pokémon CEO said is no ironclad proof whatsoever that we're talking about a hybrid device here. I've already explained that away several times in several articles. In this thread, you'll find my explanation in comment #113, #129 and subsequent comments I made in response to others questioning me. (and just for good measure, I pasted mr. Iwata's own statements on what NX will be in #113 again. There's no mistaking their meaning and plans haven't changed according to current CEO mr. Kimishima, so what that statement says, still holds up today)
And trust me, there's not a millimeter of reaching necessary, that's actually only true the other way around. People are giving the EuroGamer WAY more credit than it deserves and because of having that in the back of one's mind, it's hard not to think of a hybrid, but leave out that rumor and all bets are off.
As for your other question:
The reason why I'm suspecting it not to be a handheld or a replacement for the 3DS, is because ALL evidence points to a home console, so I have no idea how the hell anyone can come to the conclusion that something else is "by far the most likely scenario" because there's just no proof ANYWHERE to corroborate that statement, so logically, we can immediately discard that delusion.
And the reason why a handheld could pose a problem for the 3DS is because we (my general discussion partners and I) expect the new handheld to offer some form of backward compatibility with 3DS games, because of the whole cartridge thing.
If you could choose to play 3DS games on a 3DS or on a brand new HD capable handheld that can also play your 3DS games, then chances are people will buy that instead, and as we all know, Nintendo likes it's bundles and special editions, so if they want to tie some of the games still to be released (for now the list goes up til July 2017) to tie them in with special edition 3DS's (or 2DS's), then that will certainly hurt them.
Contrary to DS vs 3DS, there will more than likely also be some upscaling options in a HD handheld, so the games will look better on the newer system. 3DS graphics of themselves can indeed be upscaled to good effect, as the Citra 3DS emulator for PC has already shown.
And Nintendo still has to make more profit from the New 3DS, because it's run is still a bit short, so they will want to keep that around as long as possible.
@yomanation I've always said that the EuroGamer rumor is at best only half the story, so if that's all there is, then I will certainly be very disappointed. I don't think that any sane Nintendo fan is waiting for a tablet with a kickstand and a dock that will overall give a decidedly underwhelming experience. The handheld might be powerful enough, but the home console part (whether that's a dock or a connect to TV thingy) will never be up to par.
I actually think that this rumor is based on dev kits of the home console and the controller, that is supposed to have some streaming capabilities, much like the Wii U GamePad, only significantly improved. There are so many other sources and developers saying that they are making a game for a console and that it's dedicated hardware with no dongle or dock in sight, that I just can't take that rumor as the full and complete truth. And you could also stop for a moment and wonder why they have been so quiet of late, even though they first hinted at following up with more info later on, but they never did.
I think they now also realize that they don't have the full story and as such they've stopped releasing any additional news on the "confirmed" hybrid console.
What also always irked me is that according to several media, NLife included, we were just supposed to believe EuroGamer on their word, even though they never backed it up with anything tangible or verifiable, and the other camp (no hybrid, AMD home console, DMP handheld) comes up with tons upon tons of evidence or information that strongly hints at or supports what they are claiming. Nothing is set in stone yet, but there is definitely more info to be found leading to the opposite of what they are claiming "is" the NX.
And yes, I do believe Nintendo still has the ability to keep two systems afloat. The fact that they couldn't do that with the Wii U (and to some extent also with the Wii) is not indicative of them not being able to. I personally believe that the Wii U was a massive and rough wake up call for them, but for Asian people, pride is a VERY hard thing to swallow. As in a tenfold of Western pride (and some Westerners don't even have any to speak of) which is why you've only seen them own up to the mistakes of the Wii U since about a half year, because before that, they were either still promoting all that was good about it or they just kept silent.
It had nothing to do with lack of manpower or financial means: they still have more than enough of both. As of today, they have well over 5100 employees and although obviously not all of them are developers, engineers or programmers, that's more than enough to support a handheld and a console.
And financials are also still more than good enough:
Couple that with initiatives like Pokémon GO and Mario Run, that has their market value soar past Sony's, even if they don't make that much money off of it themselves, but it does show that they are a more than healthy business again.
And just to emphasize it once again, here are those quotes so you don't have to scroll up again...
All these measures mentioned therein clearly point to streamlined and accelerated development of both software and hardware, and a more optimized production chain, meaning both saving on expenses and maximizing profits/gains.
Especially if it's true that game carts will be exchangeable between the home console and the handheld, which I expect to arrive either around Q4 2017 or Q1 2018.
And I think the will, or rather: the NEED to invest has also finally dawned on them, and they are determined to make whatever NX is a huge success. If they have truly made an ecosystem of devices that can share content among both their own and smart devices, then chances are that they will actually succeed too.
And all they'll need is to keep their current console supporters and later on their handheld gamers. If software is exchangeable, they can easily reach around 30 - 40 million sales in total, more than enough to make them a VERY healthy profit.
And if the system is really going to be good, then I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a couple of million Xbox or Playstation owners double dip to also add to the total amount of sales...
By the way, here are the latest rumors. I posted these in another thread already, but here they all are in the right order:
Those are pages 1, 2 and 3 of a new leak, corroborating older ones and adding some new stuff. If clicking the links directly doesn't work, right-click them and open them in another tab/window.
@yomanation Video on those rumors just released today:
@yomanation Yeah well, my opinion, as such is not that I totally agree with all that these, let's call them "EuroGamer opposers" say, but I do agree with them that there is much, MUCH more evidence that (like I said before) there is more to it than just the tablet and TV connection story. That is not even debatable, that is a fact. Show me pound for pound that there is more information pointing to the EuroGamer rumor being all there is, and we'll talk. Until then, I think it's your statements that need adjusting, because there's simply nothing available anywhere supporting them.
I see no sense or logic AT ALL in statements like "a hybrid makes a whole lot of sense" or "Being able to spend their entire budget on a single console also means that the console will undoubtedly not flop".
A hybrid actually makes no sense at all, based upon where they need to go and on all official statements of Nintendo and comments from third party developers. And saying putting all money into one system is some sort of safeguard against it failing is complete and utter BS, certainly from a sales & marketing standpoint. Putting all your eggs in one basket is NEVER a good idea. If the supposed hybrid fails, then what do they have left?
Spreading risk is the FAR better option, so that is what they will undoubtedly do. There's a lot at stake here, so they have to cross all their T's and dot all their I's, and a single medium powered device isn't the solution or the thing that is going to bring them the second coming.
And of course I also lean on my own expertise in marketing and financials and on simple logic, which is obviously completely besides my own opinion. I've been in the business long enough to know what's going to sell and what's not going to sell, and an underwhelming device that will once again estrange both the consumer and developers and will not gain any foothold in today's market is certainly falling in the latter category.
And to expect nothing or little is absolutely not the way to go. Why would you even do that? If you do that with every company that you buy or rent things from, you'll always get EXACTLY what you asked for: a bad or underwhelming experience.
I always want all of my favorite brands and products to give me the best they can offer me, not something average or only barely on par with other offerings. But no, better to expect the worse, so we can protect ourselves from being disappointed... (shakes head)
In Nintendo's case, they would have to bend over backwards twice to make the effort to come up with a product that is not close to or on par with PS4, and more and more developer leaks confirm that, so there's no reason to not at the very least consider the possibility of this being true. Where there's smoke and all that...
The ONLY sources saying it's weaker are EuroGamer, IGN, Emily Roger's and Let's Play Video Games, and most of them borrow "facts" from each other.
But I would seriously be interested to know how the heck you could possibly even think that a weaker, divisive product like they describe, could sell, and make Nintendo a decent profit.
Right now, they are gaining momentum both in company value and financially, and they need to keep that momentum going. A disappointing reveal is not going to do that for them, so they need to come out guns blazing, and that can only be accomplished with a triple A experience.
Third parties are genuinely interested from all leaks reported, and that too points to it at least being a capable device. From my own knowledge of hardware, that must mean that we're talking a dedicated platform. No big triple A developer is going to get excited about a wonky, connect-to-TV tablet with breakaway controllers and some kind of on the go gimmick.
You also might want to look up the Aikun Morphus X300. That is almost EXACTLY what EuroGamer describes. It only lacks motion controls, but those are only rumored, so leave that out and you have your tablet with detachable controllers that you can also play on the TV.
That is definitely not something that Nintendo would make (or technology they would buy) and it is nothing revolutionary or exciting and certainly nothing that warrants the label "a new way to play".
And I don't know about you, but I'm pretty confident that Nintendo is going to make the system that A LOT of people will want, because they simply HAVE to. They can't afford another fiasco, even if it won't harm them all that much financially. They won't go out of business straight away, but the damage to their name could be irreparable, in which case you could be the richest company on Earth but if nobody trusts you anymore, you won't be able to sell anything to anyone and in the end, the money will only be able to keep them afloat for so long.
Unless of course their movie and theme park plans take flight and they simply move in that direction completely, but that is not something I see happening for quite some time to come. Like their smart device projects, all of it is just a means to get more people interested in Nintendo IP, and that will be a way to get more people to buy their hardware.
And if somehow the world turns inside out and all of us positive people are completely wrong, then I will still have my handheld and I will keep gaming on my other systems and I will then probably buy a Scorpio. Nintendo will then become my go to place for retro gaming, since I still have all my consoles and handhelds. But I will not be buying the Nintendo EuroGamer, unless it's actually more interesting and powerful than they have made it out to be, so it would then be up to Nintendo to impress me. And they will have a hard time doing that with this concept.
And in the end, it's just a hobby, so I'll even survive without any of it, so either way, I'll be just fine. I'm not one of those "oh no, Nintendo (or insert other company name), how could you do this to me?" kinda guys...
@yomanation I think the only "side" if any, you should be on as a Nintendo fan/gamer, is the side where Nintendo comes out with something that is guaranteed to bring them success.
Peer Schneider is reliable, although he has already been caught on a few contradictory statements before, and much of that is discussed on NeoGAF and Reddit, and maybe even on IGN's forum, if it isn't modded away...
EuroGamer though, really not that reliable. They ROYALLY messed up with the original 3DS, of which they were also sure that it was going to have Nvidia hardware, and like I said before: they have no tangible or verifiable proof. If they would have had that, there would be ways to at least show part of it to add credibility to their claims, but there is none, and their current silence on the matter is stupefying. Some people have called them out or simply politely requested them to elaborate on the matter and EuroGamer's reaction was to ban certain persons, amongst which SMD and HNF. A very childish move if you ask me, and I know the exact way in which they phrased their questions and there was nothing wrong with them.
So that quality you speak of is nowhere to be found. A [email protected] excuse of not wanting to endanger your sources is not enough for me to just believe something because they say so and they are supposed to be a reputable site, ergo: ZERO credibility on that topic.
Before I joined NLife, I had never heard from them and then I only came to know about them through all the Digital Foundry articles I read on here. A sister site that I do trust, by the way, simply because they back up and prove everything they say. I don't care who or what you are, if you can put your money where your mouth is, then I'll give you credit for that and I will take you seriously.
Up til recently, there was also a leaker called Rubyvolution on Twitter, who's account has now been deleted, that leaked VERY specific information on NX, and according to HNF, who knows who is behind that account, the removal was due to a cease and desist warning, apparently from Nintendo.
Although the account itself is gone, there's still some copies of her tweets or articles about them to be found here or there:
If all that was mentioned on that account was just harmless speculation, then there would not have been a warning. HNF also ran the risk but got a heads up from his Ubisoft contact, so now he's being a bit less specific with his info, so as not to step on any potential toes.
I myself also have a contact developing with Ubisoft, and he too claims it's a home console.
Now just put yourself in my shoes: who would you believe? Your own sources and brains, or some website that you didn't even know existed up to a few years ago? (that has already been wrong a couple of times before. The 3DS mistake wasn't their only one)
I don't take gameblog.fr seriously as a source. I know some French people, and they say it's more or less a gaming tabloid, which isn't really held in high esteem even in their own country, so their name kind of supports that: it's no more than a blog.
Even though this Julien guy did predict some stuff correctly, amongst which PS4 related rumors, so they do have some credibility, but I wouldn't use their statements to back up my own claims.
But talking about actual credible sources (besides Nintendo themselves stating various time that there was going to be a console and multiple devices): Ubisoft does hint at NX being a console, not by releasing Just Dance, but by Yves Guillemot's statements and enthusiasm. It fits perfectly with my own conclusion that no third party developer is going to be that enthusiastic or say things like "Nintendo has learned from the mistakes of the Wii U" if it's just a hybrid handheld, which would actually prove that they've learned nothing at all.
This coming Thursday will be AMD's quarterly financial/shareholder meeting, and besides earnings of the past quarter, they will possibly speak on their final semi-custom design wins and future prognosis, so I'm quite interested in that one. Could be that nothing is revealed, so I'm certainly not expecting anything definite there, but it will be interesting nonetheless.
I'm also half-expecting an announcement from Nintendo themselves before they hold their own quarterly meeting on the 26th, so maybe if AMD does mention or confirm having something in the works for Nintendo, they can follow up the next day by finally revealing the damn thing.
Although the latest Beyond Good & Evil rumor might mean that the reveal of the NX will come later, because this game is supposedly in the reveal trailer. Guess we'll find out soon enough, but I'm pretty confident about the whole situation.
I've turned every rumor inside out, and finally decided to do my own research. From all my past employers, I've built up quite an extensive network in the IT biz, with some big companies in them, among which Google, HP and Microsoft. Through one of these people I was brought into contact with a level 2 developer at Ubisoft and that is also where part of my info is coming from.
He said home console, capable system, dedicated handheld later on and some improved type of GamePad controller.
That was almost two months ago. Now, more and more rumors, even big YouTube names like Boogie and even all sites we have now mentioned, more or less agree on this controller, except camps are divided on the dedicated system or hybrid thing. And also still on AMD vs Nvidia, which although done and dusted as far as I am concerned, isn't even the most important thing.
That would be support and games. And longevity. All things that would require a capable system, and that, well... I guess you can see what that would mean: no wonky tablet hybrid. No use, no sense, no success. In my professional opinion, that really is the only conclusion that any smart person could come to.
All the other options will almost certainly spell failure, so if Nintendo does go that way for whatever reason, then the people that are always shouting "Nintendoomed" might finally be right after all. I'm just hoping that Nintendo is "a bit" smarter than that...
@yomanation Look, I suppose I've probably already told you somewhere else, but just in case: I'm a 46yo Sales & Marketing professional with over 18 years of experience in b2b sales specifically (just IT in the years before that) and currently I'm running my own small sales & marketing business.
The source is from my own LinkedIn network and has a considerable resumé having worked in software development for HP and Microsoft, and he brought me into contact with the Ubi guy. I would hope to think I can trust my own contacts and otherwise both him AND me have been trolled. But normally, my skills suffice to separate the BS from the truth. You could say that because I know how to trick people, that it's quite hard to trick me. Not impossible, mind you, but pretty damn hard if you're experience isn't up to par with mine.
But he sent me some stuff via email and far as I can tell, it hasn't been tampered with, and the email address and related data checked out.
It is true that he is "just" a level 2 developer, meaning that he is never leading on projects and only does assets and supporting development, but in order for him to do that, he still needs access to the hardware.
As far as proving beyond doubt, going just by titles revealed: my source also said that Just Dance was safe to reveal because it is published on almost any platform, so that was pretty much a given. There's even going to be a Wii version, so no surprises there, let alone any secrecy necessary.
As for the bigger titles: something is up with the gimmick (has not yet been revealed/found out), and that is something that no rumor up to date has been able to find out, and it is even said that some developers don't even know what it is exactly. In any case, pretty heavy NDA's seem to be in place, in some cases even multiple.
So no, I don't think that this "evidence" holds any weight at all. It tells us exactly nothing, other than the fact that there is nothing revealed, but just because developers aren't officially talking, that doesn't mean that they aren't making anything. Ubisoft themselves have said that besides Just Dance, there are several other titles in development for NX. Safe to say that the obligatory Rayman and/or Rabbids will be among those, but I'm betting that there will also be some other stuff in development.
This time around is a VERY important reveal for Nintendo, possibly even the most important one in their entire history, so they can't mess that up, not by themselves and they can certainly not let others mess it up for them either, so until Nintendo speaks, they can't say anything either.
That to me is the far more likelier scenario. Nintendo hasn't even revealed any of their own titles yet, other than Zelda Breath of the Wild, and saying that there are plans for a new Mario game, which wasn't really any surprise at all, to any Nintendo gamer.
@yomanation Well, we can at least agree on that last part. I'm tired of all the rumors and from a marketing standpoint, I sincerely hope that Nintendo know what they are doing, because going this long without info is understandably not exactly a reason to be confident for the majority of the people.
But you are right that I'm not that kind of guy: I don't know if it's an age thing or something for people that don't really have a voice in real life and need their online activities to make up for that, but I never feel I have to act differently than I would than when we would have an actual face to face conversation, but I understand that this is unfortunately not a given on the internet.
I do have to admit that at first I also got caught up in the whole Nvidia vs AMD thing, but in the end I found out that to me, the games and support were most important and that the most worrying part was actually the hardware being too different again and a hybrid kind of illustrates that for me, which also adds to my resistance of that idea, besides all the logical points.
And of course I'm no website or game journalist, but I am a registered business, so whether I have one source (which by the way, I don't, but the other two are small indies, so I would consider the Ubisoft guy to be the most important one) isn't really all that different from a website having one trusted source.
And I even cross-referenced those indie sources with some of the YouTube leakers, and they check out.
And my source may not be a lead, but he has seen the hardware and the controller, and it's simply too big and powerful to be a handheld or a hybrid. There was also no dock in sight, so that would only leave some direct to TV connection, either wireless or a cable. That just doesn't sound like Nintendo to me.
Have you checked out that Aikun Morphus tablet already? Go ahead and click on that highlighted text to see an extensive video presentation, curious to know your impression of that device.
I have also shared some of the stuff that I got emailed with rjejr, and those were cut outs I made without the email address and so on and even so, he thought they looked genuine as well. But regardless, you're of course free to have your own opinion, and I even encourage people to form their own, albeit with the single exception of always having an open mind and weighing ALL the possibilities, and not just thinking that one website is the be all and end all concerning inside knowledge on NX, because that's just bad detective work and cannot be taken seriously even for a nanosecond. With that in mind, I'm honestly really curious as to what has so conclusively made up your mind, besides all the stuff that we have now discussed.
This because you say that it contradicts everything you know about the system. Can I assume from this that you also have your own contacts in the biz? I have no idea what line of work you're in, but having some evidence or confirmed source of your own would certainly make me take your statements more seriously, unless of course you're going to tell me that your info is solely based upon everything that certain websites have shared, in which case we will kind of be back at square one again...
Remember: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, which goes both for capable hardware and third party support.
All we "know", even with sources, is mostly circumstantial and second-hand. None of us here have a direct source at Nintendo telling us anything, so in that we are all equal. Some go by the gospel of YouTubers or NeoGAF/Reddit/Twitter leakers, and then there's people like me that want to find out some stuff for themselves, because they don't necessarily believe everything that these leakers say. But even then, we can still only get second-hand info and we have to trust those that give us this info, while obviously there is only one real source for that, but they're not talking much...
But there is logic, and putting two and two together. Did you never wonder why there is such an abundance of leaks and info supporting the exact opposite of what EuroGamer and IGN claim? So that's two sources against what, hundreds? Even if none of them check out completely, combined together they will have certainly ticked some of the boxes, and all of them together probably even more than those two websites...
Like this one:
Even though I also hope that we will hear something around the end of this week either from AMD or Nintendo (or both), don't be too surprised if Nintendo "surprises" us and reveals absolutely nothing at all this week. Or month, even though logically, they will almost HAVE to if the release date of March 2017 is still on schedule...
Then again: logical and Nintendo aren't quite on the same page in the dictionary...
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