In recent days there have been some interesting observations around the web, namely that the current timeline for reveal-to-release of the Nintendo NX could be the shortest in the company's history. That's assuming the system arrives in March 2017 as planned, and if you also disregard some mid-generation hardware iterations - for example in recent times the 3DS XL and New Nintendo 3DS had quick turnarounds. If you consider 'new-gen' reveals, however, it's a valid point.
As we creep towards October the impatience is certainly growing online - as we've jokingly referenced before now, the poor Nintendo social media teams are getting bombarded with "where's NX" replies to everything they do. Predictably there are frequent claims of announcement date leaks as well (which we've mostly ignored here), with some swearing blind that it was going to be dropped last week; that didn't exactly work out for those sources.
In any case the tension is building, and while we've all been waiting there have been some interesting perspectives on the Nintendo strategy with NX. Ever since earlier in the year when it was confirmed to be absent at E3, followers of the company have been chewing it over - when is the best time to reveal the system? We've already considered how Nintendo could reveal it, but now we'll consider the pros and cons of the ongoing secrecy and delay unveiling the hardware.
Pros
A continual increase in hype and anticipation
Whatever the actual logic behind this slightly surprising wait for a reveal of the concept - never mind the nitty gritty of release date, pricing, launch games and so on - it's certainly building anticipation. This is most definitely a double-sided coin (we cover the other side below), but on the positive side it's got a lot of Nintendo enthusiasts talking about the system.
This is only a good thing, it should be added, if the eventual reveal meets expectations. Yet at the very least Nintendo has the focus of a number of interested followers, some of whom may have drifted away in recent times as Wii U - in particular - lost momentum. With snippets and comments from the likes of Ubisoft and The Pokémon Company, too, the big N is seeing interest in the smallest of details, which is a sure-fire way to build excitement.
Scope for a short, aggressive marketing plan to win headlines
Another key point to consider is that the world of consumer products and marketing, in particular, is continually evolving and changing. Established models and strategies for major reveals and product changes are always in flux, with social media, online shopping and more prompting big changes in recent years. The old cycle of a reveal, a protracted build-up and eventual release isn't necessarily the only way to go, especially when you have the brand power of Nintendo.
On the extreme end of the scale we have the approach taken by smart device companies, with Apple naturally being the most high profile. Hardware can arrive shortly after the reveal, with pre-orders opening almost immediately after consumers have seen a gadget for the first time. To be clear, a turnaround of a month of so is surely too quick for a gaming system - smartphones and tablets are very different in that sense - but in an online-centric world where short memories are the norm, condensing the reveal-to-release cycle isn't without its merits.
If, for example, there are just 3-5 months between an initial unveiling and a release, Nintendo will have a lot of material to work with when promoting the system and keeping it in the headlines. With so much information to be shared there's scope to command a lot of attention on a weekly basis. In the battle for social and online media space, that could be an irresistible possibility for Nintendo.
Keeping the wait short for early adopters
It's been argued that the long wait for announced hardware to actually hit stores, ie the 'usual' way of releasing a new generation of console, is no longer the best way. As mentioned above, the attention span of consumers is shorter than ever, which is a condition of the times. When it comes to entertainment and ways to spend disposable income we've never had so much choice - what was hot yesterday has been replaced by something equally distracting today. It's getting harder and harder to hold the public's attention.
When a reveal comes, there's merit to a rapid turnaround of just a few months on pre-orders, while the aforementioned aggressive marketing can continue to earn more orders. Some of the enticing build-up of an extended wait will be lost, of course, but on the flipside knowing an exciting and shiny new system is close brings a buzz of its own.
Cons
Crowded marketing and impossible expectations
Much of what's above has potential negative sides; such are the disruptive, frantic times in which we live. The longer we wait to see NX, the more wild and wacky some expectations grow; we've seen some beauties, as imagination runs wild and speculation gets out of control. Every day someone has an uncle that works for Nintendo saying the NX will be revealed a month ago, that it's more powerful than the Sun itself, or transforms into Optimus Prime to fight the evils of the world. There's plenty of excitement and we're exaggerating, but in some cases the wait has fans imagining the moon on a stick, which no system can ever live up to.
That aside, the 'aggressive marketing' we've mentioned as a possibility can also go wrong if the messaging is off base. We only need to look back at the build-up and launches of the original 3DS and then Wii U to see how early marketing can fall apart, where consumers are confused by a system or unsure of its merits. Ultimately the system's concept will be key in whether it grabs the public's interest, but the advertising and communication of the brand will also be key. A short marketing window can be a powerful thing, but the tone and content of the message has to be spot on.
Limited pre-launch time for 'Indie' developer access to dev kits
As we've already seen this year, there are successful and respected Indie developers that have been frustrated at the secrecy around NX. How can they consider supporting it if they have no idea what it is? To be fair to Nintendo it's between a rock and a hard place - share the system with lots of developers and it will leak, don't share it and the wait gets longer for prospective support. After all, there are limits to how quickly developers can port a title.
Logistics will be key, ultimately. The extended period from announcement to release for Wii U ensured that a good half dozen solid 'Indie' games arrived with the eShop on launch day. That's still possible if Nintendo has been dealing with specific developers already, but for those out of the loop they'll need to go through the process of talking to Nintendo, securing dev kits, figuring out how to use them, then going through lotcheck and so on. It will be fascinating to see how the eShop shapes up when NX arrives, and how many developers have had the opportunity to target it early.
Risk of leaks from developers, manufacturing and more
Tying into the above point, the closer we get to an announcement the more fraught the scenario of leaks becomes. Plenty of reports have been based upon relatively solid sources in the past few months, though full confidence will only be possible with the formal reveal. Yet the longer Nintendo waits while development units and manufacturing presumably go up a gear, the greater the chance of leaks.
There are a lot of fake images flying around, of course, but eventually a real one could drop. Many likely remember when an employee of TT Games posted a photo of the finalised Wii U GamePad before E3 2012 (above), which showed how the controller had evolved since the initial E3 2011 reveal. That was a studio that was in early with the technology because it was working on the system-exclusive LEGO City: Undercover. Based on what we understand from follow-ups and enquiries some mock-ups and illustrations in reports we've covered are relatively accurate, but they're naturally second-hand and potentially from units that will have changed by the time the final design is manufactured.
Yet with Nintendo standing by its March release window at present, reports of manufacturing starting up are not only feasible, but necessary if that is the target roll-out for the system. Add dev kits to that, and the danger of a real photo of the unit coming out grows day by day. Nintendo seems to have clamped down on leaks (as appeared to be the case with little coming out ahead of the last Nintendo Direct) but it pushes its luck as time passes.
Those are some thoughts, in any case, on the positives and negatives of the ongoing silence around the Nintendo NX. It does feel like we're reaching a tipping point where Nintendo has to say something, and hopefully not that it's delayed. Whether that'll happen within hours, days or weeks is anyone's guess.
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I'd say the frustration over the lack of information is starting to get larger than the hype for the actual console at this point.
Out on my run this morning, I came to realization when it comes to translating from Japanese to English. Sometimes we see errors, like the infamous "A winner is you!" and "All your base belong to us."
Look at the words "revealed" and "released." Very similar, yes, the "L" is in a different spot, but otherwise there is only one letter difference.
What's my point?
Nintendo NX will be REVEALED in March 2017. Not released.
Just thought I'd let everyone know now. You're welcome.
That hype and anticipation is slowly fading if you ask me. Now I'm not saying Nintendo will do a Sega Saturn and drop the system in stores this weekend but as long as they're taking to announce this they could reveal it this afternoon at this rate.
I'm sick of them not giving more time for things as well. When do they usually announce a Nintendo Direct a day or 2 before. Can't they for once just come out and say October 10th now or whatever instead of saying it on October 9th that it will be revealed on October 10th.
It needs to be announced soon before people decide to treat themselves to something else for Christmas rather than holding out and saving their money.
I can honestly see them waiting till next year now. If they're banking on the 3DS to get them through the holidays then they'd likely not want to reveal the new system as to not affect 3DS sales.
Blah blah blah
I just hope they have stock to spare once pre-orders open since I plan on buying two: One for regular use and one to put in cold storage until it can be used for evil purposes.
As a day-oner, the timing makes no difference to me. I actually enjoy the speculation, rumours and rage that swirl around NX. And the level of secrecy that Nintendo has achieved has to be respected in this age of instant gratification.
As long as they reveal it before the PS4 Pro comes out, so those on the fence about their next hardware purchase can make an informed decision.
Also when was the last time Nintendo has done aggressive marketing?? Maybe in the Wii era but even then they didn't need to as the system sold itself. They need the NX to be in everyone's face this time. They can ill afford to market the way they have in the recent past!
All I want to know is if Nintendo sent out dev kits. I don't have any idea of what games are coming out for NX (aside from zelda, just dance and maybe dq xi) and as much as I love the wiiu library a lot of genres got one game entry or one game franchise and that is it. There are a number of franchises that Nintendo had to ignore with the wiiu so that they could focus on the money makers. I love Nintendo best when they can do whatever they want to from a creative perspective.
I'm getting a little antsy but that is more from a budgeting perspective and the fact that I'm hoping for 3ds bc.
@Spoony_Tech I feel like the N64 era was the last really aggressive, in your face marketing. They did some of that with the cube but it fell off dramatically about the second year. Wii picked up a bit with the "Wii would like to play" campaign (I wanna thank Nintendo for introducing me to Yoshida Kyodai) but after that and the system started printing money its like marketing took a vacation.
I think while it's annoying for dedicated fans who just want to know what the NX is, I don't think it's a problem keeping it a secret until closer to release, even sometime in the new year. The broader market which I think Nintendo always like to aim for are more interested in what available now or very soon. The rest of us might be frustrated but we'll be excited (hopefully!) Whenever its finally revealed.
All the talk about Nintendo building hype and frustration with its silence, I don't feel is correct. I don't think Kyoto plans that way. I do believe that they've condensed the the reveal cycle so that they can build anticipation once it's all announced in an industry where they aren't seen as the leading name in gaming. But anything before the reveal surely just comes down to timing for their own people and not a strategy for consumer appetite. I also don't think Nintendo releases misinformation as some suggest with leaks, there's no evidence for that either.
I definitely don't mind the wait, as long as it still launches in March.
Its a good thing, everyone is on pins and needles trying to dredge up any information to be had about it. Every article, forum, or reddit discussion about it just adds more publicity. Same thing happened with Zelda: BotW people gave up on it, then Nintendo drops the mic at E3.
At this point its best to wait and see what will be what, instead of speculating endlessly over unknown, and seemingly known information.
@Tuulenpoika
I agree. I mean, to a certain extent, the desire for information is like Spock said - "Sometimes the having is not so pleasing a thing as the wanting. It is no logical, but it is often true." I think Nintendo is getting a bit extreme with this information drought, but I can't say that my hunger for information doesn't grow with each day I'm denied any.
Oooh, the aNXiety!!!!
Wait a second here, transforms into Megatron to fight evils??? @Damo please tell @ThomasBW84 not to wright about Transformers if he doesn't know what he's talking about lol! 😉
I am quickly losing my interest, nintendo needs to at least reveal it in October or sooner!
We've been waiting for NX news for so long it feels like I've been waiting for this very Talking Point for a long time now.
Pros - everybody is talking about NX
Cons - everybody will be sick of talking about it soon and move on to talk ing about actual holiday games for 2016.
It will be soon though, no later than mid October. If it is later than that then it's delayed, or $99 kids toy.
i don't care about NX, i just want to know where i can pre order my NES CLassic Edition.
@Spoony_Tech You pick Oct 10 knowing it was a Monday or your kids off from school also? Or just a random number from 1 to 31, like Nintendo must be trying to do?
@8itmap_k1d I agree. I'm just sitting here laughing at everyone's rage.
There's one good side that you forgot; Nintendo will have enough content to show when they finally reveal it. Revealing the console without showing games would be disastrous.
@Spoony_Tech Haha, whoops...
@Spoony_Tech My thoughts exactly. Megatron fighting the evils of the world. That'll be the day...
This apparent 'strategy' of not releasing any information would work just fine for me if the product was dropped as a genuine surprise announcement. But given that Iwata mentioned it so long ago, it's setting up a world of previously-hyped but now exhausted fans, as well as adding fuel to the inevitable Day 1 haters who will rip it whatever it is for not living up to it's development time.
@XCWarrior Nice theory, but no, that's not what's going on.
Actually, about Apple revealing there stuff QUICK before release, they can only do that because Apple is SUPER popular. Nintendo is popular to, but Apple is WAY more popular. Besides, phones are different. With NX, they need to reveal it at least 6 months before they can release it. And no, consoles don't get revealed 3 to 5 months before reveal. They get at least 6 months before release. NX likely won't get revealed until next month the earliest, so unless if the NX gets delayed, NX will only be 5 or FOUR away from it's March release. MAYBE even 3.
@Moon I think they'll be banking on NES Mini to get them through the holidays. It will probably get more marketing in 2 months than Wii U got in 4 years.
I think the 'waiting to reveal' game is working for them! The internet is flooded with rumors and anticipation for it, which is something that is getting more people 'waiting' for the system to finally be shown...however, if it turns out to not be what people are hoping for (basically if it's power will equal to the current systems), then the hype could die real quickly...(that's judging by what many people are wanting and hoping for). There's only one thing that I hope nintendo does and does correctly...get the 3rd party developers on track and keep them. This helps them to not have big droughts in between game launches, and keeps the RETAIL scene alive. Even though the Wii U has plenty of indie developers making games for it, you don't see them on store shelves, and the stores eventually stop keeping the space open for the games...thus, making games harder to find for the system...thus, keeping people away from the system all together. Image...someone walks into a store to buy a new game console (unaware of what's out or what each system does or has)...they walk around, see PS4, PS3, Xbone, 360, Wii, 3DS, DS and Wii U...in most stores around myself, there's more Wii games then Wii U, and even they are short.
If nintendo doesn't reveal this new console close to the holidays (at least the beginning of November), it could take away more profits from them...in terms of people not waiting and going out and buying one of the others...with no big Wii U title for the holiday...Paper Mario is coming out before...there's no reason for anyone to get excited for the Wii U, and with nintendo announcing that the NX may or may not be revealed by March, they may not even bother to pick it up altogether. The 3DS will continue to be their selling point, with most of those games being Wii U titles being re-released for it. 3DS, Amiibo and the phone games will be their money makers this holiday season (unless they make a really good and cheap bundle for Wii U), and all they are doing is keeping the space open for Sony and Microsoft to compete...once again...for the holiday sales.
Hopefully, when NX does get revealed, they advertise the h**l out of it...TV Commercials (during the super bowl), magazine adds, stores and so on! If they do this (and continue to do so), they'll have a great selling console (even if it doesn't compare to their rivals). I'm actually hyped to see what it is, and I haven't been hyped for a nintendo console since Gamecube...sorry, the only hype I got from the Wii was 'what am I missing' when it wasn't found on store shelves for almost 2 years...(I did have mine within 3 months of it launching though)...just got more excited for Gamecube then Wii...no feelings at all with the Wii U except for...'yeah, a new nintendo console with new nintendo games!!!.
@NintendoEan I see it getting delayed until the next holiday, but you're right...most consoles are revealed half a year before. That's where I wish Nintendo Power was still around!
@ThanosReXXX Are you implying that "I am Error."?
Seriously though, they aren't hitting that March release date. I will gladly state that I'm wrong if they stick to it, but history is on my side. I won't be shocked if we don't find out about NX until November at this point. Nintendo is just... I dunno, they are something right now. Focused is not it.
We just want to know about it! This wait is getting ridiculous!
@ThomasBW84 Oh, great! Now I'll be very disappointed if the NX is not a toaster "more powerful than the Sun itself," that "transforms into Optimus Prime to fight the evils of the world."
@rjejr Everything I do is random! Dart board mostly. 😉
The wait at first was a great strategy, but now that we have seen what xbox and playstation will be offering, and all being released in time for Christmas this year, Nintendo is now shooting itself in the foot making people wait to get any kind of information about this system.
Nintendo is going to need to have a very, very strong launch lineup to make people care, and they need to reveal the NX at the beginning of October, or I bet a lot of people will choose a PS4 Pro or Xbox One S instead of Nintendo's next system.
@ThomasBW84 You're not allowed to change Megatron to Optimus Prime. I didn't get a picture of that before you did lol.
@XCWarrior If I'm not mistaken (and I'm not) then they just recently issued a statement saying that they're still on track with the release date, and that's about the third or fourth time that they have officially commented on it, so no reason to believe that this schedule is suddenly derailed for whatever reason.
Not saying that it couldn't be possible, but so far there just isn't any reason to suspect it.
Why do people consider the console will be delayed because they haven't showcased the system yet?
We're living in a world of incremental tech upgrades (yes that extends to game consoles) where people consume tech much quicker. Planning a reveal for this week or early October works. People will be ready by march.
I'm getting a bit tetchy but it'll happen when it happens
@Spoony_Tech I have no idea what you're talking about
@ThomasBW84 Someone's nose just started to grow...
@JLPick IKR?!
@ThanosReXXX Actually, the last time they said the NX is gonna release in March was like 2 months ago. Where at the end of September now. I think @XCWarrior is right. There's now way the NX is gonna release in March.
@ThanosReXXX What are you on about? If you're going to vaguely accuse me of something, at least let me know what it is. Unless you're doing a live commentary as you watch Pinocchio, in which case this isn't the best format for that.
Maybe Nintendo has left the reveal so late because the system wasn't fully ready and maybe the lack of time between reveal and release won't be such a problem because they are planning on delaying the release date until later in the year. A delay in release would not be a surprise.
@ThomasBW84 I'm surprised you got that right! 😜
@ThomasBW84 Forgot to add the winking smiley. Just meant to pull your leg a little bit concerning the Megatron/Optimus Prime mix up, nothing to be insulted about.
On the 'it must be delayed' views, yeah, it's certainly possible. It was in the annual report in the Summer that the 'March' date was given again, so naturally it could slip.
It's interesting to consider that it could be a quickfire strategy from reveal to release, as 'October' has bounced around in rumours too. There are pros and cons, hence these musings.
If it's delayed, then they'd be better off just saying that, I'd say!
@ThanosReXXX Oh ok, fair enough. I humbly retract my tetchy response, apologies.
@ThomasBW84 No need for apologies, my own fault for not clarifying and adding the smiley.
I kinda thought that me reacting to your comment right after you reacted to Spoony_Tech would already make clear what I was on about...
@Moon
Yeah I agree. And besides, Nintendo President Kimishima said that "he will speak about NX in 2016". Hasn't said anything about revealing it this year. So based on what the most trusted source concerning their own hardware is saying, so far, NX may be revealed in 2017 before launch. The wait is not bothering me as it is towards others. It's not like Nintendo lied or changed their mind concerning NX..
@NintendoEan We shall see. I think the release window of March will still be achieved. And if the leaked release date for Breath of the Wild has any truth to it, then NX will definitely release in March, because that game got delayed specifically to be released on the NX.
Oh guys, I need to talk about a evident that the NX would launch in March. Don't you see Nintendo keep announcing stuff that's coming out the rest of this year like the NES mini, Super Mario Maker 3DS, and Super Mario Run with other titles that were already announced like Paper Mario Colour Splash, Mario Party Star Rush, and Pokemon Sun/Moon? They also announced some 3DS titles confirmed to be released in early 2017. That's a sign that the NX isn't launching in March, they don't want people to be upset that they cheer us up with games to hold us over AND so Nintendo can have money to hold them over until they can release the NX.
@YeshaYahu5417 I just wish he'd say something (anything) about it. I would love them to just say 'We will talk about the NX on this date', even if it's next year. At least then we could all relax a bit.
I can't see Nintendo revealing a new console before Christmas. It would damage Christmas sales for Wii u and 3ds. What have they to gain from a pre-christmas reveal? Nothing.
If it were kept a secret until March it would be really cool. I love the secrecy.
I don't think any of the cons are much of a concern... Nintendo have a good track record when it comes to learning from their mistakes, which should prevent a repeat of what happened with the Wii U as far as marketing and leaks go... and as for indie games on the e-shop, some indie devs have already hinted that they might be working on something for the NX, but they're probably unable to say more due to the nondisclosure agreements, and there could easily be other devs who are still keeping it secret... plus, there's also the possibility that the NX will have at least partial backwards compatibility with the Wii U e-shop, which should give it a decent starting point.
As for the release date... sure, it could still be pushed back, but I don't think there's anything that would be indicative of that happening at this stage... Nintendo have always been pretty good at keeping secrets when they want to, as it helps to build hype, and if the NX is as much of a game-changer as it's rumoured to be, then they are going to be going all out to get as much hype going as they can.
I plan to buy one for certain. I saved $500 for one with a few launch games. But its taking far too long to actually see the system itself. It's getting to the point of being frustrating and instead if excitement at the reveal it will just be an 'its about time' moment.
Nintendo was founded in year 1889 -> Ox Zodiac sign
2017 = Year of Fire Rooster.
Ox in Fire Rooster year = Good Luck.
If Nintendo released NX after 28 January 2017, may it have a good fortune. But, Nintendo need more aggresive approach to introduce NX.
Well, my prediction about Nintendo in year 2017.
@Moon
I hear you. But still, Kimishima said he'll speak about NX in 2016. That's any given day now for the next three months of this year. Nintendo is not like Sony or Microsoft who comment on rumors or speculations. I don't blame them...
@Spoony_Tech i remember the n64 commercials, they showed more gameplay rather than the kids who are playing them.
@Yorumi As for the release date and the why: my thoughts exactly, but as for statements being misinterpreted...
Not so much. Far as I know, they have said several times that they would talk about NX in 2016, not that it would be revealed at E3.
I believe that this was a rumor sparked by the ridiculous amount of floor space that they had rented at E3 and a lot of people thought that there was no way that this was going to be for just one game. Well, we now all know that it was...
I remember someone asking me if I was excited for the NX, and I couldn't really give an emotion either way, positive or negative.
I can't get excited about something that we know next to nothing about, and a console with numerous rumours which contradict each other. There's just no hype to be had. It all depends on what is revealed, and how it is revealed, when Ninty finally decide to do so.
If anything, it's a case of let me know when someone does something as I don't care for any other speculation or anticipation at this point.
They'll wait until 2017 before they reveal anything, keeping the spotlight on the NES Classic Edition until the holiday is over.
All this secrecy is doing more harm than good at this point. Unleash the Kraken now Nintendo!
@Yorumi True, but that's not Nintendo's fault, that's on all the people interpreting that statement as if he had literally said that it would be at E3 2016, which just wasn't the case.
@BensonUii True, it's certainly possible that a wait for more independent content would be considered acceptable.
Nintendo x apple
Following similar marketing ideas
NX eshop will follow in the same shadow as the App Store how it all intergrates together from oneplatforn to the other. In this case the wii u 3ds and NX will share some games.
I think the NX eshop is already ready with all the virtual console games including wii u. Wii and 3ds titles sharing the same platform on NX
I believe they will have most big games of the wii u and 3ds ready on the NX.
Mario 3D game will follow 6 months after launch.
Mario maker will come pre installed in all premium NX models.
With a similar subscription service for virtual console games
@ThomasBW84 They've probably simply delayed the announcement that they are delaying the NX. Delays are what they do. Zelda, MyNintendo, mobile
If it's true that Foxconn is making test runs of NX now, then that means it can be delayed if there is something wrong w/ the test runs. Think Xbox360 RRoD, or Sony waiting on Blu-ray drives leading to a PS3 launch delay. I don't think we can know for sure until they are in full blown production. Or we at least read that Nintendo has approved the test run. But as of right now, I'd still guess March is there plan. So they plan to sell NX in March, but they can't sell what ain't made. And ain't shipped and in stores. Anybody remember the west coast port strike?
http://www.wsj.com/articles/ports-gridlock-reshapes-the-supply-chain-1425567704
Well, you never know.
http://www.logisticsmgmt.com/article/one_day_east_coast_labor_strike_gets_shippers_attention
I also wouldn't be surprised if NX gets delayed until April and they blame it on the Chinese Lunar New Year. Not that a few weeks really matters, even for me.
It is a bit annoying, but my expectations are tempered by Nintendo of America. I'm ok with waiting for the NX for as long as they want to wait, but if Nintendo suddenly came out and said that the console will be region free, and that our purchases will be tied to our account and not our console? My anticipation will shoot through the roof, making March seem an eternity away.
But until then, I'm fine and not losing sleep over this.
@XCWarrior But there's 1 problem with that; They said that Zelda Breath of the Wild will be coming out both on Nintendo Wii U and Nintendo NX in March 2017.
I don't think both of those could turn out to be mistranslations at the same time.
By the time it is released, we will have known it as the NX for far far longer than the actual name. Plus we will have known the rumoured info about it it for much longer than the actual details. Time is needed after the reveal for us to forget what we thought the NX is and to get used to what it actually is.
@Yorumi Yeah, I've been wondering about that too, but by now, it's anybody's guess, I suppose.
But maybe after it gets revealed and/or released we will finally see if there actually is a method to the madness.
All I know is that looking at it from a professional point of view, they really have made pretty big if not HUGE steps in securing a good marketing team. The current VP Sales used to work for EA and has a very decent track record, and they have apparently also hired an ex-Yahoo CEO, who is hard at work introducing the concept of real-time marketing to Nintendo, and that may coincide pretty nicely with the shorter reveal & release window.
As a sales & marketing professional myself, I find it quite funny to read some comments of people that think they know how marketing works or how long a marketing trajectory should take.
There is no standard formula in marketing, and there also isn't a standard or minimum time frame. I once had to put together a marketing campaign for HP in a little over 2 months, and I had only a small team of 5 people, myself included, to do it.
Was a lot of work, but in the end we achieved it well within that amount of time. People on here are more of the herd frame of mind, in other words: everybody is jumping, so surely, Nintendo should also jump, right?
Not everything can be put into designated boxes, and both marketing and Nintendo are definitely two things that can't be labeled in a definitive manner...
@Yorumi It was Reggie, at about the 10 minute mark of the NDE during E3, who said we aren't talking about NX now, we'll tell you more about that next year. Which is why people assumed E3 2016 was what he meant, b/c he said it during their E3 2015 NDE. (And I'm willing to bet in his head, Reggie probably though E3 2016, but he never said it) Had Iwata said it in March that they weren't talking about it in 2015, people might not have assumed E3 2016.
I do think it was in March of 2016 that Nintendo said it wouldn't be at E3 in 2016, but I'm not sure who said it, probably just a generic nameless news release that they do.
Well it's only 172 hours away so there's no need to panic. I hope it'll be good and some of the rumors to be true and others not.
Still, nice to be on the know at least on something.
I think if it's not revealed before November, it's delayed!
If you believe the Nintendo line that they are worried about copy cat products then I honestly think that there is no longer any benefit to Nintendo continuing to keep NX secret. The gaming world seems to agree that the Eurogamer reports are true and the NX will be a handheld system with a docking station for HDTV and detachable controllers. So, if that is their big innovation that they do not want copied then its already too late. Based on how positive the reaction to those rumors has been you can bet that there is already at least one company working on a solution to make the IPad mimic that functionality.
However, I think the real reason that Nintendo are not rushing to show NX is that they are waiting for certain key games to be advanced enough to show them off and really wow people. They don't want to show tech demos or just announce titles they are working on. They want to show nearly complete games that people will get excited to play and then only have to wait about 4-5 months for the official release.
I just hope it won't be something of too rushed a construction, like the first DS and the first 3DS.
Those had compromise written all over them.
@NCChris Good luck trying to find any "document" that says Zelda in March on both Wii U and NX.
Nintendo said Zelda on Wii U. (In 2015, 2016, 2017 - they say it a lot)
Nintendo said Zelda on NX.
Nintendo said NX in March 2017.
Anything beyond that is just purely conjecture. And there has been a lot of conjecture pointing in that direction - for about an hour Nintendo's own Zelda website even listed "March 2017" but the March part was quickly removed.
So you can probably Google about 100 websites that said Zelda on Wii U and NX in March 2017, but you'll never find any proof that Nintendo said it. Even if they did. You may find "launch window", but Nintendo counts 6 months to a year as a launch window. I can find you several instances where Nintendo said Zelda in 2015 and 1 or 2 instances of Nintendo saying Zelda in 2016, and a couple more saying Zelda in 2017. But not March, and not simultaneous.
If they felt that they couldn't properly communicate through marketing in the same way they blundered the Wii U then maybe it is a case where they are following the adage of, "If you have nothing nice to say don't say anything at all."
Therefore the NX must be horrible if that adage is correct.
@Yorumi Problem with Nintendo, they say a lot of things that can lead to a lot of impressions, but they rarely say anything concrete, they operate mainly in the abstract. And when they do say something concrete - Zelda and Starfox in 2015, My Nintendo fall of 2015, FE and AC mobile apps in fall 2016 - well a lot of times they are wrong. Which probably makes them want to speak in the abstract even more. In January 2014 when Iwata said he wanted Nintendo hardware to "be like brothers", why not just say - I want my handheld and home consoles to play the same games, or say I want a handheld with TV out. Everything is an enigma wrapped in a riddle with those guys, for years on end.
@rjejr http://www.zeldainformer.com/exclusives/breath-of-the-wild-is-a-launch-title-for-nx-according-to-rep
Might not be a document, but it certainly very strongly hints at certain dates or at least a window and Breath of the Wild will indeed be an NX launch game, because it will be the first major title (and probably system seller) on that console.
@NCChris I don't do emojois, but know that I'm face palming right now.
Although the part about the delay is serious, clearly the way I went about it was tongue and cheek.
Although I have yet to say LOZ: Where the Wild Things Are will be delayed again until holiday 2017 like the NX will be, it won't shock me if it is.
But at least we know LOZ exists. NX could all just be a ruse. Or my theory that its an iphone 8 is true.
@Yorumi got very good points there, but I would say that Nintendo first hurt there rep with the Wii, because they basically left there "hardcore" gamer fans that they made in the NES/SNES era in the dust in favour of getting non gamers and beginner gamers into video games with easy and fun motion controls, and very simple games. Yes the Wii sold well, but the Wii U is basically the aftermath damage of alienating your hardcore gaming fans, and the casuals didn't move onto the Wii U, the either keep using the Wii because it does what they like already, or they are now playing mobile games.
I do think Nintendo need to really have a much more aggressive marketing strategy for the NX if they are wanting to sell the system.They are in dire need to kiss up to third party and get them to come and support the NX. Also, it doesn't matter how much money Nintendo has in the bank, customer and retail will eventually not trust in Nintendo hardware, and people will stop supporting them, and retailers will stop carrying their products.
Of course, this is a lot of doom and gloom really I'm saying, and Nintendo is known to be that company to "never count them out", and with a huge diehard fanbase, me being one of them, they can easily come back even after a big failure like the Wii U and have success.
Personally, I will be buying a NX, because I love Nintendo and plan to support the company that gives me the games I love, because in the end no matter what silly gimmick they come up with for their systems, the games are what important and sell a system.
September... october, november, december, january, february, march.
There are still six months to go, which, mind you, equal to half a year.
We're not getting any news soon.
And the fact this article even exists is a true testament of how sick we all are about the lack of news.
@Tuulenpoika That's exactly how I feel
@XCWarrior Nintendo stated; "“The dedicated video game hardware codenamed “NX” is scheduled for **launch** in **March of 2017**. Its estimated hardware and software sales units are reflected in the financial forecast ending March 31, 2017, however, we are not disclosing the specific information as it is provisional.”
If they test run Nx now they will probably show it around late october if everything goes well.
@Yorumi Excellent point. Because I own the Bioshock trilogy on Steam I was given the remastered versions for free. I bought the trilogy for ten US dollars a few years back. You just cannot beat those kind of deals. I have over 200 titles on Steam and will never run out of stuff to play. Sadly NX is a secondary consideration at this point. I want it to succeed, but I am beyond caring about purchasing one at this point
I don't even read NX rumors anymore, much less actually think about what they would mean for myself and Nintendo down the line. And honestly, I am more concerned with PSVR and all that stuff in a few weeks and then I might start thinking about NX again.
See what I said to @NCChris OK @Emperor-Palpsy?
My goodness people the Internet is not meant to be taken seriously.
But if you want to debate quotes, remember the one where Nintendo said there is on DS revision coming, and then a week later announced one?
Companies lie to hide things or keep stocks from tanking. March 31, 2017 release for NX and LOZ: Zelda Gone Wild were simply placeholder dates to keep investors from selling shares.
I really want to know what exactly the NX is. I agreed with the idea it's different to XBOne and PS4 and Nintendo are trying to upgrade smartphone gamers. However, what exactly it is I'd like to know.
Still very difficult to get hyped about it when you haven't a clue what the console is or what it's capable of and how games will run on it.
you can only build hype with a promise for so long. There comes a tipping point where people kinda give up and say "meh, maybe I'll care when I see it, but I'm done for now." I've seen lots of people who have gotten to that point, and i'm not far from it myself.
@Enigk I've been saying this for months and I agree 100%. Younger gamers in particular have a limited amount of cash to spend on video games & consoles and if Nintendo doesn't reveal the NX soon, many will move on to a PS4 or Xbone if they haven't already. Once they do, they can forget about that one gamer for the rest of the generation.
The Nintendo Go will be a good system when it comes out.
They need to let people know what the system is before the PS4 pro releases. If they don't I'll be spending my money on that instead of an nx
@ThanosReXXX I honestly don't know what your point is, if you are agreeing with me and backing up what I said or disagreeing with me and trying to disprove/correct what I said.
I said Zelda was probably announced as a launch title, and Nintendo considers it's launch window to be 6 months.
http://www.nintendo-insider.com/2016/08/pokemon-mario-and-zelda-lead-nintendo-nx-launch-window-line-up/
Therefore NX can launch in March but Zelda can release in March, April, May, June, July, August or September and still be a launch title, but only 1 of those 5 months is March, the other 5 months are not March. I never said Zelda wouldn't release in the launch window, only that they never said March.
Here's an official statement from Nintendo saying Pikmin 3 would be in the Wii U "launch window", and that launch window lasted 6 months, until March 31st. FYI Pikmin 3 released in August, 10 months after launch, so even when Nintendo specifics a title is a launch title, and even when they give themselves 6 whole months of a window, they still get it wrong. CONFIRMED.
http://nintendoeverything.com/pikmin-3-100-confirmed-for-wii-u-launch-window-in-north-america/
Nintendo has never specifically said Zelda would release on both Wii U and Nx in March, but even if they did, they're still probably wrong. But they didn't.
Hey look, I found something Nintendo did learn from Wii Us failure, don't give dates, b/c if you don't give dstes, then you can't be wrong. Only people who assumed you meant one thing when you said another will be wrong.
Dates are my thing. Dates, and Nintendo getting their dates wrong. They've already gotten the YEAR wrong on Zelda twice, no reason to hold them to a month they never even said now. Zelda in 2017 on NX. I'm pretty sure Nintendo sees all of 2017 as their launch window at this point, I'm sure they'll "hint" at that during the NX reveal.
Pros: Other companies don't copy your ideas.
Cons: Only the blindest of fans are capable of being very excited for something there is no official information on.
@XCWarrior You typed "on" DS, where it should be "no". Blame it on autocorrect, I always do. Oh, and I remember that happening, no new DS, then there was.
@abbyhitter ditto.
I've lost count of the amount of times I've read "just show us the freaking NX Nintendo!" It borders on comedic.
They said 2016. 2016 isn't over yet.
We may get the NX early, but equally it could be delayed beyond the first quarter of 2017.
The acid test is the games, no more gimmicks, just good games. No, not good games, that won't tempt me to spend £375, very good games will.
The puzzle is this, The new Zelda is being released on the Wii U and the NX. So why rush to get an NX?
My guess is the NX is not a separate console, it is an attachment, a module that connects the 3ds and the Wii U.
@rjejr Not agreeing or disagreeing with you, just adding my two cents.
They did indeed not mention a date for the game, but they DID mention a release month for the NX and said that Zelda would be a launch game, not a launch window game, so that would automatically mean that the two are directly tied together, so all we need is a date for either one to know when both will be released.
The leaked Zelda date was probably fake, because it is too much of a coincidence that it was the exact same date as the placeholder date for the previous Zelda game, only one year later.
The article I linked to also hints at the Zelda release coinciding with the NX, and in it, there is another link also supporting that, so that was just my additional bit of info aka two cents to the discussion.
But let's keep that mantra of yours going. You seem to have forgotten it in your latest posts...
#justtellus
@Emperor-Palpsy You highlighted the wrong word. You wrote - scheduled for **launch** - but you should have written - **scheduled** for launch. When Nintendo schedules something almost a year in advance, that gives it a good chance it will be delayed, not won't be delayed. Ask Project Giant Robot. And
Starfox, Zelda, MyNintendo, AC and FE mobile games.
I'm not saying it will be delayed, but Nintendo never said it **would** launch in March, only that it was **scheduled** to, and that was many months in advance.
I had an oral surgeons appointment scheduled for 5:45 this aftetnoon, made last Monday, but I'm not going, already went at 11:00 this morning. Schedules change.
HERE IS YET ANOTHER RUMOR:
http://sag.tank.jp/res/20160926/1474859893/244
I just stumbled upon that today and thought it looked neat... a bit silly, but neat. It's probably not legit but who knows. Just thought I'd throw another spicy rumor into the mix.
This could also be old, and if it is, I apologize.
@ThanosReXXX So are you saying Nintendo has at some point already made a distinction between NX "launch games" and "launch window games"? B/c that thought never occurred to me, and I can't recall now, even trying to, remember Nintendo saying - these are going to be our NX launch games, and these are our NX launch window games. I only remember reading about the NX launch window, not specifaclly games at launch. Though most of that was rumour based if I recall.
You know, going back a few years, I don't recall them making that distinction for Wii U either, but I do need to go look now, but I only remember them ever talking about the launch WI dow, not launch games separate from launch window.
But it's a valid point that I'll need to look into.
#justtelluswhichgamesarelaunchandwhichgamesarelaunchwindow
@wiggleronacid I've thrown it in the translator for you, because most people probably won't speak any Asian language...
Unless you only linked to it for the amazing pictures, seeing as the text doesn't really add all that much.
Looks very cheap, though, so I'm going to have to go with your "probably not legit" assessment...
@ThanosReXXX That's what I was thinking, too. The concept is neat but I'm sure the real thing will look a lot better structured.
@ThanosReXXX I also don't know how to add pictures to my posts, sadly.
@wiggleronacid you add pictures by using the code img in between squared brackets -> [ ].
@ThanosReXXX Well I figured out why I couldn't remember launch and launch window titles for Wii U, there were only 2 launch titles, Nintendo Land bundled in the box, so it didn't really have a choice, and NSMBU.
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2012/09/looking-at-wii-us-launch-window-game-lineup/
So in my defense, while I was wrong, a distinction was made, but since there were technically only 2 launch games, the other 50 being launch window, Nintendo probably talked about the window more as talking about "2 launch games" probably wasn't going to excite snybody. Now for NX.
@DragonEleven "Nintendo have a good track record when it comes to learning from their mistakes, which should prevent a repeat of what happened with the Wii U as far as marketing and leaks go.."
Bless.
@rjejr Yes, they did. Besides Zelda being designated as a launch title, they also mentioned Mario and Pokémon as launch window titles, to be released in the first 6 months.
According to some reports, there will be up to 30 titles released in total within that first half year. I'm going to take that with a grain of salt myself, but mr. Kimishima did say that they were going to ensure that there was going to be a considerable catalog of games available from the start, to ensure that we will not have another Wii U situation...
@k8sMum Bless.
Is that your polite spelling of LOL?
(Apologies if my mind is twisting something nice you wrote into not nice)
@rjejr I kinda read that as "of course they do"...
@rjejr
No apology needed as you got it in one.
I don't understand why people constantly suspects a thousand reasons as to why the NX haven't been revealed yet.
There's only one reason as to why and even this sole reason has been mentioned several times. Why is it so hard to understand?
The reason was and still is that they want the competitors to have as little time as possible to copy this "unique" thing the NX brings. It's gonna change the way we sit on a toilet seat...and so on.
@ThanosReXXX I found the tweet where NOA said Zelda would be simultaneous in 2017, but as I said earlier it doesn't say March or launch.
https://mobile.twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/725224978984083456
"The new Legend of #Zelda will be the focus of #E3 2016. It will launch simultaneously on both Wii U and NX in 2017"
Well ok, it does say launch, but to me that reads more like the release of the game than launch of a console b/c the "it" sounds more like the game.
Are you aware that Polygon article you linked to is based on rumours in an MCV report? And not only that, but that MCV article that your article linked to refers to Zelda, Link and Pokémon as "launch window", proving my point and disproving your own?
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/pok-mon-mario-and-zelda-headline-nx-dream-line-up/0170678
"Nintendo is putting together a triple-A software line-up, to ensure NX flies out of the gate next year.
Developer Game Freak will bring Pokémon to the platform, while Nintendo’s first party titles include the previously announced Zelda game – Breath of the Wild – and a new Mario game. All three products are scheduled to appear within the first six months of the machine’s life."
Even your Polygon article says first 6 months. No where does it say "Zelda is a launch title, Mario and Pokémon are launch window". I honestly think people are playing the telephone game w/ anything Nintendo says. Know how you hate everybody saying hybrid is true b/c of 1 rumour, well I think everybody is misconstrueing Zelda in March on NX based on bits and pieces here and there, not of anything that Nintendo actually said. Not that I would believe it anyway even if they had. But they haven't.
#justtellus
@rjejr And I quote:
"Leading the three games is The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, which Nintendo has already set for a March 2017 release on Wii U. Breath of the Wild, the first mainline Zelda game since 2011, is expected to arrive alongside the codename NX system when it hits shelves that month as well."
@rjejr Nothing definitive, mind you, much like the launch window titles, but that is also why I said that it strongly hints at it, which I stated in two previous comments in this thread.
P.S.
Shouldn't you be gearing up for the great debate between "carpet head" and "I am the wife of THAT ex-president"?
Nice thing to keep your mind off the whole "when the hell is Nintendo going to spill the beans" thing...
In my opinion, hype is always bad, as we tend to hype things so much that the ideas we have conjured for the product are impossible to meet.
We definitely need official news from Nintendo instead of just rumours.
I am now doubtful for any kind of official NX news in September and am praying it will finally happen in October. However, Im bracing myself for a November-December reveal.
Nintendo will have to reveal at least some new info by their next Investor Meeting near the end of October. They told investors last year (and repeated this year) that they would reveal more info to them. I may be mistaken but that would be the last opportunity to inform investors directly this year?
@upsidedownjim That is correct. The next meeting will be at the end of March (which also happens to be the end of a fiscal year for them), and if all goes to plan, that meeting will be about the initial results of the NX after its launch earlier that month...
Nintendo will launch the NX before revealing it. Upon purchase you're given a mystery box. What's inside? You'll find out.
@Inkling Is it a yellow box with a question mark on it?
@ThanosReXXX I was trying not to mention the debate tonight, politics sets you off worse than tablets and docks. Tonight is the battle of the hybrids, there is no Home and Away. No humans either.
I am going to start drinking heavily at dinner, can't watch that sober, 1 of those people will have their finger on the bomb in a few more months. NX may never launch if we launch the nukes first.
@rjejr Nintendo Nuke Xperiment...
It's a radioactive experience that just lights up your entire living room, not to mention the rest of the neighborhood. It's a blast!
@rjejr Comes with a coupon for a 50% discount on a fallout shelter...
@ThanosReXXX The problem with your NX quote is that it claims to be quoting Nintendo without ever quoting Nintendo. It's not an actual Nintendo quote, or it wouldn't have Nintendo in it, it's the words of somebody who is probably twisting the words of what Nintendo actually ssid.
You are in a very good mood today, anything you want to share?
Ok, my battery is running low and my dinner is ready, wish me and the rest of the known world luck, unknown world is the place to be, and where the NX is being kept.
@ThanosReXXX It's an unprecedented partnership with Bethesda to promote Fallout Shelter
@rjejr Good luck, my friend. Take care with the booze. Wouldn't want you to be too hung over tomorrow...
[img] NX
@IceClimbers I'd certainly welcome that franchise...
And for those of you that (like me) couldn't give a rat's you-know-what about politics, let's start gearing up for the awesomeness that will be the NX:
One thing the writer lists as a con I feel is actually a pro. Being unable to set expectations is a good thing in my opinion. I've observed so many people not even buy or play a game because the expectations they created 3 years before it was released weren't met to a T. I say screw those people and just let game creators create, and then we can judge the game for ourselves by actually playing it. I'm so tired of internet gaming community members getting on hype trains and drawing lines in the sand about what a game or console needs to be, and then calling it a failure when it doesn't happen. The shorter the time between reveal and release, the better.
@k8sMum I think you may be confusing criticisms for actual mistakes... a lot of people criticise Nintendo for repeatedly doing things that they personally dislike, but doing those things has actually proven quite successful for Nintendo.
Whenever they have made an actual mistake that has been harmful to them, they have never repeated it.
@wiggleronacid I see you tried to post the picture again but removed it. I can't post the link for you if I want to show you how, so I made a screenshot of the codes instead. Yes, I said codes, because there are two options: embedded picture or pop up.
Take your pick:
EDIT:
If you can't read it well enough, right click and select "View Image".
@ThanosReXXX Big help, thanks!
@Captain_Gonru Blame the media, that forced mr. Iwata's hand to reveal that there was indeed going to be another console after the failed Wii U. If they hadn't, then Nintendo would probably have kept it secret quite a bit longer before coming out with an official announcement.
But you don't have to be that guy, because that isn't going to happen.
Watch the videos I posted, and get excited. Nintendo has a really great new marketing team with a truckload of experience (VP Sales = ex-EA and Head of Marketing = ex-Yahoo!), so I have a feeling it would be a huge stain on their reputation if they were just hired to let yet another Nintendo console fail, so it would probably be beneath them to let that happen.
And give that HNF live stream a go if you find the time this week. A lot of interesting stuff is discussed in it.
@wiggleronacid You're welcome. Try both and see which one you like most or suits you or the topic most.
I use the pop up link sometimes if I don't want to spoil the surprise straight away.
I have zero hype, since the word carries such a positive meaning. I am very curious and mildly pessimistic about it
I honestly believe that no matter what it is or how good it is, it won't sell, and that will make it go the way of the Wii U. Most of my gamer friends have absolutely no interest in this and only us fans are here waiting while most of the gaming community is at peace with their powerhouse consoles ore PCs.
I loath to see them targeting "a new generation of gamers" and making us fans look like idiots for believing that Nintendo would eventually catch up to us.
I think the real issue is that the WiiU is being phased out in a very obvious way. It's clear that the system won't see any more support.
If you look at the rest of the year, the WiiU - by pure numbers of releases - ranks somewhere next to the PS3 and X360, and even lower than the Vita of all things. Worse though, most of these titles are indie games, that have already been released on a number of other systems for some time.
It's pretty much "Paper Mario: Color Splash" (which seems to have only generated minor interest sofar) for the rest of the year, and "Zelda: BoW" as a last hurrah for next year.
Keeping all of that mind, it's obvious why people wonder ... "what's next?" If you want to play anyhthing new in the meantime, and seeing how stacked the next month up until February are on other systems, this seems like a legitimate question.
People don't even know what they are waiting for, so obviously, they can't even make a guess whether or not it is worth it.
Also, the notion that it is something sooo special, that it's worth holding out for, that they need to "protect" it from copy-cats ... that creates alot of expectations, that - right now, to me - seem impossible to fulfill with a simple hardware reveal.
They would have to come out, show the system and go on to show right away what it can do, with concrete games, and what is so amazing about it.
That is ALOT of pressure to live up to, esp. after a follow-up act to the failure that was the WiiU.
@Ralek85 Exactly. Nintendo's really sacrificed a lot for this NX reveal, so if it's not absolutely groundbreaking, it's not going to go over well for them. People are going to see the wait as not being worth it and that's going to have a negative impact on the NX's sales.
@Al_Godoy
And then why are you here if you have ZERO interest about Nintendo ?
I believe NX will kick some butts. One thing, Ultra HD graphics is not Everything. AAA titles but Mature content is not Everything nor even the King of the Game. Even cute games like Animal Crossing or Girlie games like Style Savvy series can kick some butts of adult male gamer. Don't underestimate the Power of Cute / Girlie games. And so what if Kiddie or Cute ? Is that the most disgusting things to play for an adult male gamer ?
Let me explain a bit about myself. I'm adult male gamer (32 years old this year) but i play mostly Kiddie and a few Girlie games, contrary with typical adult male gamer. And i ONLY play Appropriate games (E , E10+ and Teen), no Mature contents whatsoever. Because i HATE adult games.
@Captain_Gonru What's on the 11th? (remember: yank living in Amsterdam, so not up to speed with US special days and all that)
And personally, I also think that October is the last month that they can do the reveal. Unless of course the console will be delayed, in which case it's anybody's guess when it will be revealed, but here's hoping that won't happen.
If nothing is announced before the end of this month, then I'm gonna go with the 4th or 6th of October as possible dates. Simply because of the fact that most official announcements and/or Directs were done on Tuesdays and Thursdays.
You can also have a situation where it can go from excitement to ANGER and people wanting to spite Nintendo for taking this damn long... the hype fades... and people just stop caring.
I know plenty who already don't care anymore, and have decided to not bother with Nintendo anymore... they're frustrated and feel that Nintendo has lost their damn minds.
I feel like it's taking too long... by next month they NEED to announce it.... if they don't... i can see crap hitting the fan.. big time.
It's only going to get worse for Nintendo the longer they make folks wait.
Oh, and if they wait reveal it next year and THEN launch it the next day, it will be sega saturn all over again.. it's not good to announce a new console or reveal it THEN right after, release it.
The real problem here is that Nintendo announced the NX far too early. Revealing a console six months before realease makes a lot of sense, so I think revealing it in October is a logical choice. They just shouldn't have announced it so early.
Over the weekend I traded in my Xbox One with 5 games and a 3ds & 3ds XL with my credit I got a new 3ds and a game which was a pain in the ass to transfer but I'll be buying a lot of NES & SNES VC games and I'm saving $60.00 credit for the NES Mini so I'm good for now . The Nintendo NX I'm not worried about, When it comes out I'll be buying one no matter what.
@ThanosReXXX After that poopie-show called a debate, Nintendo could do us all a favor and just give us something, lol.
What little interest I had in this system just totally disintegrated today when I saw the expected price tag of $400 USD. If I'm spending that much on something, it will be an iPad mini 4. Sorry Nintendo. I'm not playing YOUR game anymore because you won't even release good games for any system these days, so why invest a single penny in your console of tomorrow?! Especially when it's so expensive. Forget it.
My biggest concern over the lack of info is unknown backwards-compatibility. I've got quite a few games stored on an external hard drive that has an average lifespan of 4 years, and I would really like to know they're safe. I'm not even sure if I should be buying anything from the Eshop since everything there could be short lived. Lastly, is Xenoblade Chronicles X's servers going to shutdown, because the game won't have many players if it isn't ported?
If they don't reveal it soon I'm going to buy a bloody ps4 so I have something to play over the holidays. If they reveal it soon I can hold out, but bugger holding out for an unknown.
well, nintendo APPRNTLY is taking the last orders for the U. if it is true, what a stupid descision! we only know that the NX is coming. we dont even know what it looks like for goodness sake.
It's a mixed blessing whenever they do it. Nothing has really changed for a while though. Big Nintendo fans are getting more and more wound up and hanging on every rumour. The rest of the gaming world is obsessing over XBox One S, PS4 Pro, Forza horizon 3, Last Guardian, FIFA V PES, whether to get a new graphics card or whatever the latest mobile gaming craze is.
That hasn't changed for a while. The main downside I can see is the longer Nintendo keep people waiting for what they keep saying is going to change gaming, the more people will be disappointed when it actually gets shown.
They're revealing it tomorrow guuuuyyyyyyssss calm down!
@Anti-Matter lol
@King_Johobo Source? And dont say Emily Rodgers...
I wonder if they're planning to bring back the monthly schedule for Nintendo Directs in the lead-up to the NX... in which case, that would mean that the next one would probably be due next week.
If I had to guess, I'd say that they'll just show the console itself first, with the release date, followed my teasers on Twitter until a dedicated Direct later on, showing more details, as well as the launch line-up. We'll probably get a Pokemon Direct just before Sun/Moon are released in November, so that leaves October and December for the other two directs in order to get the reveal in by the end of the year.
Considering the amount they've been posting about BotW on Twitter, chances are the next direct will be going into that in more detail, and they could easily slip the initial reveal of the NX into that.
I'd personally love it if they done it through a trailer at the end of the direct that ends with Link pulling out the Sheikah Slate, with the image of the Sheikah Slate then transitioning into an image of the NX, with the release date appearing on screen, and ending the Direct right there with nothing else said... that would raise the hype through the roof, while giving hardly anything away.
@ThanosReXXX @ThomasBW84 All's well that ends well
It's definitely a hybrid?
If you put a Playstation and a Gameboy together, you get Playboy or Gamestation. Playboy is a great name for NX, too bad it's registered.
@Captain_Gonru Your Zelda question is a tough one. I would think that they could do a 180 theoretically, and cancel the Wii U version, but the backlash would be so enormous that I don't think that they would risk that, which brings me back again to my firm belief that the release date of NX is still on track and it will be released in March, together with both versions of Breath of the Wild.
And if that doesn't happen... well, I'm not going to say that the Wii U version canceled theory is going to come true, but besides them possibly breaking their promise to release it on Wii U, it would be weird from a business standpoint to still release a game on a console long after it's done and dusted, because if NX is not coming in March, then it could very well be delayed to June or even November, so releasing a Wii U game so long after the fact... well, you can probably complete that thought.
Could this be nx?
http://www.gamereactor.se/nyheter/387783/Rykte+Bild+av+Nintendo+NX+pastas+ha+lackt+online/
It's the fact this console has been teased since last year and all we know is that we've got a Just Dance and Zelda game on it.
@NintendoEan I honestly, don't know what you mean and what you said...sorry. What does IKR?! mean?
@PlaytendoGuy I think, somewhere, they also announced that Splatoon, Super Mario Maker and Super Smash Bros were also being ported over to it. It would be nice to see Pikmin 3, DK Tropical Freeze and Wonderful 101 ported over to, along with Super Mario 3D World, so people who didn't pick up a Wii U, would know what they were missing. I honestly don't know if it's just a rumor or not, but it was somewhere on this site listed by nintendo themselves.
@ThanosReXXX I think if they cancelled it on Wii U, that would bring the sales figures down on NX...just due to nintendo fans that bought the Wii U becoming extremely angry with the company. That I don't see happening, but I could see Zelda Breath Of The Wild getting pushed a few months ahead for the NX...or possibly...yet another delay for the game until the NX is officially ready...which would also make quite a few people mad at them. No matter what, though, even when nintendo announces their next console, there will still be plenty of backlash at them around the internet...this seems to be all nintendo ever gets anymore, even if they have some of the most gorgeous games around.
@NewAdvent You have a really good point. I think too that if they continue the waiting game, the hype will quickly go down. Right now, the hype is incredible for it and all they announced is the project name of the system...that was it! They need to see that people are now ready and wanting to dip into their wallets, but if they don't reveal the pictures of the console, show it off or show games for it...the hype will probably crash during and after the holiday, not going back up as high as it is right now, and they'll have another console with sales low as the Gamecube of N64...not as low as Wii U, but not as high as the Wii or NES.
@Captain_Gonru Hmm.. they did also do that with Twilight Princess, except the other way around, so that was first released on Wii, and a month later on the GameCube, but I don't think that they would make such a decision now.
It would certainly lessen the impact of the game, as an incentive to buy an NX, so I would actually disregard that option even if I would have thought about it...
@JLPick "That would bring the sales figures down on NX"
Exactly. Which is also why I think that they're not going to do that and that they are still on schedule for March, both for the game and for the NX.
@JLPick "I know right". Yeah, at first I didn't know what that meant until someone on a live stream told me! LOL!
@Captain_Gonru The thing is, that Zelda is a BIG franchise, worldwide, so if they screw that up in any way, there's going to be repercussions, so for now the most likely scenario is still that everything will go as planned, until Nintendo will release a public announcement on its delay...
Oh, and Madden is only big in the US, so not the best of examples...
But go ahead and do the honors, because this theory is indeed worthy of being shot down as well...
And holy crap to that last sentence. Are you trying to give me a headache?
It simply makes marketing for the system (The key failure of the WiiU) early on almost impossible.
Take a look at Project Scorpio and the upcomming PS4 Pro:
The former already has its own meme with its "6 Teraflops and its high quality pixels".
While silly, both are things people can talk about to spread some sort of awareness of the system.
We also know that the system will mainly go down a technical improvement route and probably skip gimmicky innovations besides that. This focuses talk on technical details and suppresses rumors to a certain degree.
The PS4 Pro game similar talking points with hints at increased processing power even for older games and the possibility of 4k gaming (which turned out to be blast processing).
Both system were not entirely revealed and their specs arent all that transparent either. Yet, they both can be marketed prior to their release by publications and word of mouth.
The secrecy of the NX only leads to false rumors and the inevitability of false / way too high expectations.
Not even the detail we do know, its "Console and Handheld hybrid" status is largely unconfirmed, based on rumors and nobody really knows how its going to work.
There is no way for word of mouth to propagate the system beyond "people say its going to be X or Y".
And considering that the WiiUs preemptive death was largely caused by confusing and a general lack in advertisement, the angle they are taking now is extremely questionable.
Instead of increasing interest beforehand, they now have to establish their systems strengths after its release. And considering that the launch window is the most essential selling period to gain any form of traction, this is a recipe for desaster (again).
"Limited pre-launch time for 'Indie' developer access to dev kits"
Yes there are developers whining about not getting kits, but there are also developers who haven't been whining, and thus may have kits. Like Choice Provisions.
@Captain_Gonru
lol
I´m planning to do the same, meaning I will get a PS4 Pro before the end of the year as I wont have anything else to play on My Wii U.
But I might join you with the tweet
I´ll undust the wii U for Zelda BOTW, it was one of the main reasons I bough a wiiU so i wont buy NX for Zelda
With everyone and myself's comments, on the NX coming out in March...I just hope that nintendo is not rushing the console and we get it with bugs and various items that need fixed. I was disappointed when the 3DS came out, and the e-shop wasn't even up and running for several months...let alone only a very few games that were out for it at the time. If they release the NX, the store should be up and running (with plenty of titles to choose from on day one) and there needs to be more than just a few games out in the retailer's grip (not 3-5) but maybe about 8 or more that are good and not just ports from the PS4 and XBONE. That's what nintendo needs for this release...they also need to keep it going with sports titles (even though I'm not that big into buying them on day one), but the Wii U was lacking with sports...they had a few compilations, but only one football, one real basketball, one soccer and...what happened to baseball??? Maybe nintendo should start to bring back their old sports franchises! How about a new Mario Golf for the console? A new Mario Super Sluggers for the console? How about a decent (lifelike) volleyball game (a sequel to saga's Beach Spikers that released on gamecube). How about a brand new Wii Sports with various NEW sports titles to play! Come on nintendo, bring some various genres to the table, and that's a good way to get other players that are not just nintendo fans like myself, to your system!!!!
@Captain_Gonru It kinda had that "you know that I know that you know that I know what you know" flavor. It must certainly mean years of practice...
Oh well, just goes to show that we all have our quirks and deviations. Nintendo's is not telling us anything and letting us go mental...
@Captain_Gonru Mind you, the artwork itself isn't mine.
I only replaced the original text with my own and pasted Kimishima's face in. It was actually about the Wii U lacking a DVD/Bluray player, and that one wasn't even the original either...
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/boardroom-suggestion
@3MonthBeef Possibly, though simply releasing some kind of "interactive/ AR app" would probably make alot more sense in that regard. Honestly, I doubt I will ever have a chance to visit that park, and even if that occasion should ever arise, I strongly doubt it would impact my purchase decision for the NX itself, and that will probably be true for most people.
Right now, my only hype for the system is all the drama that will happen when the system IS revealed at a proper official event and people lose their collective minds because some things may be true and some may not be. I've seen too many people swear up and down that some aspect or feature of the NX is 100% true, and their source is often "Well this is what Nintendo SHOULD do to compete with Microsoft and Sony" or "my unnamed source." I very rarely see a "Nintendo has this patent" source.
@XCWarrior I'm sorry but I think the Facepalming part is abit uncalled for. I wasn't trying to say it will definitely come out at the same time, I was just throwing that into the equation. At the end of the day, Nintendo did announce the new Zelda and NX will be coming out in March 2017, if it was just mere heresy then there wouldn't be so many people reporting on it. In fact, I've just checked Nintendo's official twitter and it states that the new Zelda will be coming to the NX in March 2017 alongside the Wii U so yes, they did definitely announce that.
@Emperor-Palpsy Facepalm. Facepalm. Facepalm.
SARCASM. I'm CLEARLY JOKING AROUND. Have you not noticed the different ways I've named LOZ: Breath of Where the Wild Things Are?
Seriously dude. Let it go. And Zelda and NX are not ready for March of 2017. They haven't even given NX a final name, or even begun R&D research on it. And Zelda they haven't even bothered to make a single dungeon. Did you see the E3 demo? ALl these yaers and basically all they've done is the grass area. You're looking at 2030, maybe 2040 before release of LOZ: Take My Breath Away.
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