Thanks to technology, skilful developers and consumer demand, gaming has never been so varied. That may be a statement that goes against the sense some have of a gaming scene packed with remasters, sequels and iterations of long-established genres, but it reflects the broader picture. We have consoles, portables, PC / Mac gaming, smart devices, VR and (to a degree) web-based games all clamouring for attention. The gaming population, as a result, has never been bigger.
This thought occurred to us in a week where the lengthy Dragon Quest VII: Fragments of the Forgotten Past arrived while the announcement of Super Mario Run from the week before still lingered. Two entirely disparate games, yes, yet both important releases to Nintendo; one is a much anticipated third-party release finally coming to the West; the other looks like a simplistic mobile take on Nintendo's most bankable franchise.
This flexibility and diversity will be key for Nintendo moving forward, too. It finds itself in a challenging spot, which also presents an exciting opportunity. For the past couple of generations the big N has been drifting away from hardware rivals and existing in its own bubble, and the relative success of the 3DS and struggles of the Wii U have only widened the gap. Nintendo, in some respects, is in its own unique place in the mainstream gaming market.
Sony and Microsoft continue their technology-based tug of war in the console space, with the upcoming PS4 Pro and 2017's Microsoft 'Scorpio' adding new twists. They're scrapping over the lucrative mainstream triple-A space, generally, with Microsoft also making notable moves to bring the Xbox brand closer to PC gaming. Then we have the mobile space, in which Apple and Google largely pay lip-service to gaming on iOS and Android; their stores welcome all developers and have few regulations or control. Wild West platforms they may be, but they're fast growing and worth billions of dollars in annual revenues.
Nintendo, though, isn't directly competing in either space; the Wii U has finished the process started by Wii in terms of drifting away from mainstream third-party retail games, in particular. The audience focused on FIFA, Call of Duty, Battlefield, Fallout or other similar big name multi-platform franchises won't own Nintendo hardware as their only system, because those games aren't delivered - they may consider big N devices as an extra option. Likewise those that play most of their games on a tablet or phone don't get that sort of fix on Nintendo hardware.
Yet that is the opportunity - Nintendo is on its own ground. We've mentioned the problems with Wii U, but by the same token the 3DS has defied gloomy early sales to establish itself as a success. It's not hit the heights of DS, and won't get close, and its momentum has slowed a little quicker than is ideal, but over 60 million units have been sold with a game library packed with unique titles. The system is nowhere near powerful enough for many ports of multi-platform hits, while its infrastructure and eShop don't make it a fit for masses of smart device-style games. The 3DS library, when you look at it, has thrived on being unique and interesting to consumers, offering something different from other gaming systems.
From that perspective, as the 3DS ages and Nintendo gears up for the March release of the yet-to-be-revealed NX, the company can highlight a solid level of loyalty not just from a hardcore group of fans, but others that have invested in a 3DS while so many other distractions and offerings are available. Nintendo likes to repeat the somewhat clichéd mantra of 'games sell hardware', but it has been proven to work. If it was quite as simple as Nintendo of America's Reggie Fils-Aime makes it out to be, however, the Wii U would have matched the 3DS; ultimately, the portable has been a more rounded and appealing product. Besides, historically Nintendo has enjoyed more consistent success with handhelds than home consoles.
The battle for player's time, however, will be the most keenly fought in years to come. Hardware and games are less expensive than ever - if you doubt this, ask gamers of the '80s and '90s how much a boxed game cost back then - and there's an almost ridiculous amount of choice. A common first-world-problem seen online is "my backlog is too big" - this writer is no different, hoovering up discounted games, PS Plus downloads and small download titles that go in a digital pile of content waiting to be played. A lot of gamers likely also have a lot of hardware without really realising it - multiple home consoles, PCs, a 3DS and / or Vita, phones, tablets. These gadgets just accumulate, and sometimes gather dust.
After all, there are only so many hours in a day. For many it's a lovely problem to have, and in some cases it's simply a reality of life. When talking about The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild when trying it out during the Summer, some of our UK team shared the hope that simply romping through the story will be an option, as they don't have a spare 100 hours to do everything in the game. Work, education, family, social lives - they all demand time and leave less opportunity for playing games.
So we have a dizzying number of choices, a limited amount of time, and of course limited money. This isn't a problem exclusive to Nintendo, but it is a problem that can suit the big N assuming it makes the right moves. It also means that fans that lean more towards Dragon Quest VII than Super Mario Run - to return to those extreme examples - will need to accept that the company will dabble in some basic, simplistic and quickfire games.
Through its DeNA partnership Nintendo is making a big play for the mobile market. Presumably NX will be a dedicated gaming system with a number of full-blooded, meaty exclusive games that demand our time and commitment. What'll be interesting will be to see how much Nintendo looks for the middle ground on NX. We've argued in the past that medium size games (with middle-of-the-road prices) can be a winner for Nintendo - relatively snappy and affordable games that offer more than a smaller eShop game, but ask for less commitment than a full-blooded $60 retail title. In fact, Nintendo already makes some games like this, though it currently tries to charge in the $50-60 range for them.
Some - including this writer - will be more than happy to split their Nintendo gaming time between full-scale big-budget games, fun smaller efforts and mobile games. Nintendo and supportive third parties have an opportunity to produce a broad range of content suited not only to a diverse audience, but to cater to different moods and circumstances. We may not share Shigeru Miyamoto's sentiment that it's worth playing Super Mario Run while eating a burger, but there are times when a five minute distraction is welcome. Then we get home, settle down and play something a little more demanding.
Whatever form the NX takes, we know it'll have a console-like component (based on the games confirmed for it, including Just Dance 2017) so Nintendo will be able to target the living room, portable gaming and mobile. Its fans can vary from enthusiasts that dive into all the company has to offer, to those that enjoy one or two types of games or devices. Either way, Nintendo has flexibility, and with that is the potential to win over a sizeable audience.
That's an exciting prospect. Nintendo, after some troublesome times and hard-earned successes, has the opportunity to carve out its own unique place in the market. That, after all, is the Nintendo way.
Nintendo. Don't fail us.
Anybody else read the title as "Nintendo Now", as in "Playstation Now"? Probably not, just thought I'd ask.
I was really waiting on a Talking Point titled "Why hasn't Nintendo revealed the date of the NX reveal yet?" but this one will require less of my time, so that's good too.
Maybe the NX should be called "Nintendo Now", it looks good and rolls off the tongue while sounding powerful at the same time. Hey, it's better than Wii or Wii U. Or "New 3DS". "Play your game at home, play it on the road, play it now, on Nintendo Now."
I've got plenty of time for Nintendo, they've always had my loyalty, though I sometimes question why with how they treat us at times. Unfortunately, they have very little time for us Wii U owners.
@rjejr I'm in a boat that says Nintendo cant do this. Why? People I talk to at work in retail, at uni, or even online from around the UK at least, don't give a rats ass.
People I knew when the Wii U was knew, knew it was a console, knew what it could do, appreciated it, but never really gave a damn
incredibly huge backlog is a thing, and more than ever, games really do sell console, since the only reason why i would be interested to get the NX so far is if they offer me something that i REALLY want such as a new Metroid Prime, F-Zero or some awesome Exclusives, like unique AAA titles only available on there...
i mean, i bought my WiiU for Mario Kart, Zelda and hopefully a new Metroid or F-Zero... so far i only enjoyed Mario Kart 8... and don't get me wrong, i love my WiiU, even more so than most of my other consoles... i'm just dissapointed that the games i bought the console for never came to be a thing... and when LoZ BotW finally launch on both WiiU and NX... unless the NX is incredibly appealing and offer something unique that i feel like "i must experience that now"... i don't see any reason so buy it near launch...
My only hope for the NX is for it to have the best launch titles possible, which they seems to be working on since they stop releasing anything new for the WiiU, sitting on those new titles for the release of the NX, so maybe we'll be interested in considering this new platform...
I was thinking of trading in both my PS4 & my Xbox one and use the credit to get a new 3DS and used the rest on the Nintendo NX !
Every general Nintendo article you guys post gives me a heart attack.
After all, there are only so many hours in a day. For many it's a lovely problem to have, and in some cases it's simply a reality of life. When talking about The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild when trying it out during the Summer, some of our UK team shared the hope that simply romping through the story will be an option, as they don't have a spare 100 hours to do everything in the game.
I've come to terms with that recently due to the staggering amount of quality open-world games available. At this point, I'd rather focus on a smaller amount of titles for each console I own, the ones I REALLY want to play.
Besides, open world games are becoming a bit of a chore for me. I mean, XCX is great and all, but I've spent 120 hours in that game and I'm at... 60% completion rate? Outside of affinity missions, I don't think it's worth it. I could have 100% a couple of more varied titles in that amount of time. RPGs in general are extremely bloated (I wouldn't touch a DQ game with a ten-foot pole), we need more short but repayable games. Less Arkham whatever and more Bayonetta, if you get what I'm saying.
"Work, education, family social live..."
I'd add to that list streaming. Once upon a time people waited all week until Thursday at 8PM to watch Cosby. Now people sit down and binge entire seasons and series. Binge watching is very addictive. Netflix, Amazon Prime, HBO Go, Showtime anytime, find a series, watch it all, lather rinse repeat. At least with Netflix DVD it took a day or 2 to turn around in the mail, not anymore, it's literally endless.
I would add Facebook, and to a lessor extent Twitter, which took all the casuals away from Wii Fit, but that falls under social lives for many people.
@MarcelRguez totally with u on this, rpgs and open world are the least appealing games when ur backlog is piling up beyond mesure!!
I play more Nintendo than PlayStation at the moment. I can't wait for NX and breath of the wild. I'll never abandon Nintendo games or systems! Now back to Super Paper Mario. An old guy like me loves some side scrolling fun!
Pretty obvious article. And first half is something that, I think, everybody knows, but I assume that this is kind of opening and without it this article would be kind of out of context.
But, yeah, Nintendo has place in the market that isn't the same place as Sony's and Microsoft's and I'm fine with this. I bought Vita nearly 2 months ago (my first non-Nintendo console, but I was a PC gamer for nearly a decade) and... that's not it. Yes, I enjoyed Persona 4 Golden, but when I think about upcoming games, I have Breath of the Wild, Monster Hunter 5, Xenoblade 3 or Mario Kart 9 on my mind, not Sony exclusives or multiplatorms.
And, despite having considerable amount of time for playing games, I haven't played many interesting titles on 3DS and Wii U yet. I consider that, in times like these, when one can enjoy games on so many platforms, we must ignore part of the business. It's impossible to play all the games that we want to play. Sometimes I think about my backlog instead of just playing games. That's... strange.
Nintendo's problem, I think, still is, that they are not an option for most players, as far as a single-system ownership goes. Simply put, you miss out on stuff when you don't have a Nintendo system, but if you only have a Nintendo system, you miss out on so much more. To put it differently, if you are not really into Nintendo games, there is not reason to buy their system.
On the other hand, a PS4 you can buy without being into Uncharted and Killzone, and still enjoy the vast majority of experiences, being AAA multiplatform games, formerly PC-specific games (like Diablo, which was also on PSX of course, or Witcher), a whole bunch of "Steam"-indie games and 3rd party exclusives, like Bloodborne or Persona 5.
If you only ever owned Nintendo systems, you'd never played a Soul game in your life. That would be something of a major miss from my POV.
With this in mind, Nintendo basically positioned itself as a 2nd or 3rd system, which not that many people are willing to put up with apparently, or alternatively, to the hardcore Nintendo crowd, that cares for nothing else (not sure if those exist, at least I don't know anyone who ONLY owns a WiiU for his "core" gaming needs - meaning smartdevices aside).
This is aggravated by the fact, that everything Nintendo comes at a premium price. The WiiU was from a technical perspective overpriced, the games are more expensive than on other platforms, esp. the ones worth getting, and the e-shop is a mess in every respect, starting from price all the way up to convenience and value.
I don't know what Nintendo is going to do about it ... I just keep my fingers crossed, that they do not ONCE AGAIN bet the whole farm on the repeating the Wii miracle, which was a once-in-a-lifetime confluence of right time at the the right place, so to speak.
@BLPs Wii U was a doomed mess from the start. Nintendo had another doomed mess from the start called 3DS and they managed to turn that around well enough. (Not world dominating, but 60 mil is still 60 mil)
So I won't say "can't". I can't say can't b/c I have no idea what the thing or things is or are (darn you Nintendo making me write sentences like that) so "probably not is as strong as I'll get. After we know more, then can or can't can be up for discussion.
@Bolt_Strike Are you a permenant resident yet of your local hospital?
If so, does you room have a good view?
@Ralek85 EXACTLY what I was thinking! Nintendo consoles are great as cheaper consoles with great exculsives. That's mainly, if not partly, why the Wii succeeded and the Wii U failed.
The battle for my time is pretty clear cut.
Nintendo's best games are better than anyone else's best games.
Loyalty? Hmm I wonder why they aren't attending EGX this year!!? *on a side note, I'm gonna read the article now.
I've also got the problem of my backlog being too big. After going a bit crazy and buying quite a lot of discounted games in the Steam summer sale, I've decided to stop buying games except for the ones I want the most.
Whatever form Nintendo takes for their next system I am pretty much guaranteed to be there for the ride. I enjoy my Xbox One as much as the next guy but the console I always seem to return to has always been my Wii U and I can't see that changing anytime soon. Each of the companies make different games for different types of gamers and for so many years now Nintendo's are the only ones that really grab my attention and honestly as long as Nintendo keeps doing what they are doing I forsee myself enjoying their games for many years to come. Hopefully they can increase their share of the gaming market because I would hate for the industry to be dominated exclusively by Sony and Microsoft, we need companies like Nintendo around to keep things interesting and change things up, stagnation is no fun at all.
I mostly play retro games and cherry pick new Nintendo releases. Older games can make for some shorter sessions which I greatly appreciate most days
Wii U really only ended up being good for Smash. But at least the 3DS ended up being one of the best systems of all time.
Nintendo has been doing more middle of the road things recently.
Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker, Kirby & the Rainbow Curse, and Mario Party 10 are examples of this.
EDIT: In terms of content and price, not quality.
I have a Wii U which I love. But I won't be buying another Nintendo console.
I am looking forward to whatever the Nintendo NX happens to be even though I am one of the few that likes the Nintendo Wii U.
However with my new TV, I have entered 2160land now and I saw a rumour about the controller just being 720p... Eh...
@123akis Is that confirmed or just speculation based on no announcements yet?
@Expa0 You're really discounting a lot of great games with that statement.
Splatoon, Super Mario Maker, Yoshi's Woolly World, Mario Kart 8, Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, Nintendo Land, Super Mario 3D World, Pokken Tournament- did you really not like any of these?
I too have a massive backlog to get through; albeit one with a variety of games so at least I won't get bored ploughing through it.
I imagine that Breath of the Wild will be dedicated to a variety of gamers with different playstyles à la (I dare say) Skyrim - you can do all the sidequests you want, explore as much of the land as you want or just focus on the main quest. I feel that with some games of the same genre though, such as Xenoblade Chronicles X, you can't have the best of both worlds/appeal to both casual and hardcore gamers at the same time so it is hard to find the right balance with a few games. Hopefully, Nintendo nails it with Breath of the Wild.
See any Nintendo games or Breath of the Wild there? Sad, I know.
@Mega_Yarn_Poochy You forgot Bayonetta 1 & 2, Xenoblade, The Wondrrful 101, ZombiU, TP and WW HD, Hyrule Warriors, Kirby, Rayman Legends.
Small indies like Freedom Planet, Shantae, Shovel Knight, ittle Dew, Stream World Dig, Neo Fast racing, Stealth 2.
Point is there is a lot to work with
Alot of gamers have missed out on Wii U which is a shame it's a great system with some truly great features and some awesome awesome titles on offer - the new 3DS XL in my opinion is the best system of all-time something I don't say lightly if you don't own one you are truly missing out AMAZING system . I hope the NX is as awesome as it sounds I figure we will be getting a reveal around January it would be awesome if Nintendo would show it sooner but this will be the Wii U's last holiday run. So I can be patient when it comes to NX the Wii U has earned it's right to be in the limelight one more holiday season.
@Grumblevolcano I was looking around on twitter, and some tweets said they emailed EGX and they confirmed that Nintendo isn't gonna be there... and apparantly people working EGX has confirmed it as well.
The games they would have to show may be a bit low at the moment, but they have zelda breath of the wild and paper mario colour splash on Wii U... and on 3ds they have games such as pokemon sun/moon and more! Nintendo UK attended hyper japan expo this year so why not EGX as well!?
Marketing and less game droughts. If Nintendo can fix these they can have success.
"Likewise those that play most of their games on a tablet or phone don't get that sort of fix on Nintendo hardware"
Which is ironic since Nintendo DS seemed to be the go-to place for that fix before mobile market grew affordable touchscreen models.
It's a hard place, to a clear one. Nintendo might have the best chance since the break of game industry in the late 80's.
@123akis That sucks, definitely looks like no Nintendo this time. The reason I was asking was because if you were just looking at the show floor list on the site then that wouldn't be confirmation as some games get added very late to the list (e.g. Infinite Warfare and Modern Warfare Remastered were added on the 14th September).
It's interesting. I own a PS4, Wii U and 3DS. I have a ton of games for all three systems, but the system that keeps me coming back for more is my 3DS. I constantly return to that superb system due to the high quality library of games it offers and just the huge variety that awaits me. While I enjoy my Wii U and PS4 quite a bit, they don't keep my attention nearly as much as my 3DS does. The majority of my gaming time is spent on my 3DS for three main reasons. A constant stream of high quality games, variety and portability.
"both important releases to Nintendo;"
Funny stuff ... they really do live in their own world. If I would be a Nintendo employee reading that, I would be worried about my job.
@Mega_Yarn_Poochy Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker is one of my favorite games on the system. I think it's one of the best too (and worth the $30 price).
@Lucina portability is a huge one for me as well. I would never play a game like DQVII on a console because I would never finish it whereas I most likely will on 3ds.
Honestly what Nintendo should do is deal with the retro gaming market. Stop worries about current games and work on making deals with companies like Nickelodeon, Konami, Capcom and even MS to release their older catalog of games. Let Sony and MS compete for the newer games audience Nintendo needs to concentrate on their retro catalog of games. That would be the smart thing rather then trying to compete with MS and Sony.
Nintendo was once on top, now their a third wheel developer.
@liljmoore Well yeah, I was just listing some examples.
@MarcelRguez OMG TOTALLY AGREED, too much games with too much content I want more games like Super Mario 3D World and yeah Bayonetta 3 FOR NX PLEASE !!!
Some actual franchise installments and not cheap spinoffs would make a lot more people invest time in their stuff.
Well, Nintendo has been VERY stingy with their game releases the last couple years. They have almost completely ignored the casual market. Games like style savvy took forever to get released in the states, and other games like Teddy Together will probably never come out here despite a large number of interested buyers. I quit playing RPGs and platform games years ago, and apart from them there's pretty much nothing else coming from Nintendo. So as a longtime gamer with enormous frustration at the limited game offerings, I have shifted my hobbies to other things. I used to play games much, much more than I do now, but I can't play like that without anything to play, and of course that's also money that isn't being spent on games too. On the upside, I do have quite a few new hobbies that are overshadowing my lifelong hobby of playing video games in many ways, not the least of which being the sense of accomplishment and fun. Sorry, Nintendo. You failed me. I'm just returning the "favor".
I was making great progress on my backlog but then came the humble bundles....... D:
Great read! I'm pulling for Nintendo to be successful. If I'm ever critical or upset at Nintendo, it's only because I am a big fan and I want them to do better.
Interesting. Right now i owned 4 kinds of Nintendo games : NDS, 3DS, Wii and Wii U. And i still play all of them, treat them equally. I also provide an empty space of my TV cabinet for NX. Well, i'll keep praying for Nintendo for NX and their future.
@Kiyata "Teddy Together... despite a large number of interested buyers."
I'm pretty sure you and @Barbiegurl777 do not equal "a large number".
I buy and play Nintendo consoles, exclusively. Some people might suggest that's a dumb idea since I miss out on tons of great games on other systems. To be honest, most of those games don't appeal to me (mainly the endless amounts of shoot-em ups) but I don't think I'd have time to play all the games I would buy for other systems anyway. My backlog? Non-existent. I play every purchase as soon as I buy it, which is on release. On rare occasions when multiple games come out I might have to hold off playing one for a few weeks but it's not often. In fact, I have a bigger list of favourite games I wish to replay, or old SNES games I would like to play, than I do new games I haven't gotten around to yet. And this suits me just fine. I'm increasingly finding myself playing games for less and less time, sadly. But Nintendo has what time I can give, no one else fights for it.
This video says it all about why people love Nintendo:
Even though I've been heavily skeptical of certain releases (Color Splash.........), there's never a day where I wasn't playing on a Nintendo console, whether it be my 3DS, Super NES, etc. Even when I do play my Xbox 360 some other time.
So Nintendoomed again? Maybe they should go back to Love Hotels or hanafuka cards.
@Mega_Yarn_Poochy I can absolutely guarantee you we are far from the only ones who want that game. Just because there are a bunch of teenage and 20-something boys on this site that knock games like that does not mean that a large number of people are not interested in it.
Perhaps it's being a gamer of a 'certain age' but I find that what appealed to me about gaming in the first place is best served in the modern age by what Nintendo offers: highly playable, fun games which aren't trying to be movies yet are too sophisticated for mobile touchscreens. As long as our ethos match up, I'm all good.
As a Nintendo fan for 30+ years I don't mind one bit in them muscling in on mobile. My phone is where I, for better or worse, play most of my games these days which Is wager is the same for many 30somethings with social responsibilities. I'd still be rather playing Nintendo games than any other.
So long as they continue to make fun, social titles of any description I'll be happy.
@Ralek85 The WiiU had some third parties exclusives too such as ZombiU, Rayman Legends, Wonderful 101, Fatal Frame 5, Bayonetta 2, Devil's Third, Tokyo Mirage Session. The problem is everytime there was a smear campaign against these games that convinced people they were bad before their release. And these smear campaigns are backfiring over the rest of the japanese industry. Sales of japanese games on Sony's systems are at an histiorical low this gen. It's been so bad that Square-Enix is now mostly a mobile publisher.
Shuhei Yoshida is destroying the entire japanese industry just because he wants to kill Nintendo. He's unresponsible. He's playing with the jobs of thousands people just because he's failling at killing Nintendo in a fair way. I really hope Sony will realize how dangerous he is and will fire him.
@bitleman Dude, just naming the few 3rd party wiiu games does not make up for missing, Arkham Knight, any modern EA Sports game, Star Wars Battlefront, GTA, Deus Ex, Mortal Kombat, Metal Gear Solid 5...
Plus it didn't take a conspiracy for the WiiU to not connect with core gamers; they didn't like the hardware, they didn't buy it, companies stopped developing for it--this is what the market does to products that don't connect to the broader consumer.
@Grumblevolcano Oh come on, Nintendo aren't going to announce their show floor games less than a week before it starts.
Infinite Warfare and 4: Modern Warfare Remastered were cutting it close I'll admit, but they were announced to make an appearance on show floor over a week before EGX kicks off. Name me some games that have been revealed to be on show floor less than a week before EGX has kicked off.
I hope that Nintendo reveals a longterm strategy when they unveil the NX. I'm curious to know if it will truly replace the 3ds as their flagship portable. And I wonder if there may be a more traditional home console on the way. Things I'd like to know.
Hmmm its tricky. This weekend I have bought Dragon Quest vii and Deus Ex Mankind Devided. And while I love bith franchises dearly, Dragon quest has seen much more of my time. Despite the terrible graphics in comparrison to Deus ex and running a clearly retro game. I prefer the simpler cleaner ar style and general overwealming charm and happiness of DQ over the technically brilliant but much more moody and, dare I say it, depressing atmosphere of Deus ex.
Anyway my point is that I prefer the cheaper game. Art style and gameplay will ALWAYS trump technical grunt and power any day of the week.
So my two hopes are that either the NX is a handheld with TV functionality and a plethora of cheaper games (£30 like the 3ds ideally). Or like I have been banging on the NX needs to be a super powerful console with the ability to play not just the Nintendo games but all third party content too.
But lets not forget this is Nintendo so it could just as likely be a console/gardening hybrid with a trowel for a controller. We will see. Either way Nintendo are in a very tricky position and they really have to get a wrighle on if they are definitely releasing the console in March. And in my opinion I think thats a big IF.
@123akis Regarding Egx all I can say is the UK is probably the smallest Nintendo market, so why show what little they have to a tiny market that frankly doesn't care?
Don't worry. I owned Wii U since April 2016 ago. And I still use that frequently, also my older 3DS XL.
Wow, a Nintendo gamer veteran.
Me also a Nintendo gamer.
I don't like mobile games for some reason because playing with touch screen by your finger feel more uncomfort than using stylus. I think NDS and 3DS touch screen are more sensitive with very tiny touch area, very different with smartphone. No wonder smartphone screen easily get dirty.
@BLPs It may be Nintendo's smallest market, but there's a lot of Nintendo fans that attend EGX every year. Many Nintendo fans that go to EGX every year is disappointed to see that Nintendo is not gonna be there this year. Nintendo UK attended hyper japan this year so why not EGX as well?
Nintendo exclusively ? WOW !
Hello. Allow me to introduce myself. I'm also Nintendo gamer.
Right now i just ONLY have Nintendo games
(NDS, 3DS, Wii and Wii U) and i still play all of them.
I think Nintendo games collection are the BEST from all.
Don't be afraid by cynical comments about Nintendo.
Be strong and confidence, proof to to that people if they're wrong.
@rjejr I'd go with "Nintendo Soon" (but we're not telling you exactly when. Or indeed, what).
@123akis EGX is also Euro gamer. Can't see Nintendo being too friendly.
Look the UK has Nintendo fans. I'm the sole one in this area I live in, but would it be worth throwing cash down for so little games to be shown, to a small dedicated audience. You could argue they'd pull in others but they simply do not care
I will always appreciate Nintendo for what they have done for the game industry, as well as the impact their games and consoles have had on my life. As more devices and platforms for playing games become available, one has to think what suits their needs and what they want out of their gaming experience.
Due to Nintendo being out of touch with a lot of their consumers, as well as being backwards in many things (account system, game prices and sales, compatibility between 3DS and Wii U, etc. etc.), Nintendo has to work extra hard to ensure that they keep their customers loyal and attempt to attract new ones. However, they do not seem to try with many of their games, and prefer to play it too safe, or take games in directions that are unpopular. Only a few stand out and are worthy of purchasing their hardware solely for playing a small number of games.
I'm not finding that I'm playing Nintendo games less and less and playing more 3rd party games on Nintendo devices (mainly 3DS). This is a problem for Nintendo, and they need to rectify this. Why should I care about Nintendo hardware when their games are similar to previous entries, mediocre or when other developers can make better games on other platforms? Same with Sony and Microsoft. The latter now has no real exclusives coming out for Xbox one, and the games that would normally appear on Sony platforms (except 1st party exclusives) are now appearing on PC.
I keep saying this but perhaps a few emails to Nintendo would probably be more appropriate at this point. Nintendo is fighting an uphill battle, with much of the odds stacked against them. Despite this, they seem to be quite happy making a profit here and there while their user base decreases slowly over the years. They can sit on their laurels for now, but they need to take action soon. They need to TRY HARDER and get people excited about Nintendo products again! The NX needs to be revealed soon!
@Anti-Matter uh-huh. I grew up on Sega along with Gameboys as a handheld option. Although I've played on Playstations, etc I don't personally own any and while there are a few games which would interest me on other systems, they would be left gathering dust more than any of my Nintendo systems.
Really good article.
I don't pretend to know the future, or how things will pan out. I wish Ninty well, but they're on their own here. It's up to them to push through and carve out a new spot in the modern market.
I'm just along for the ride, playing games I enjoy on whatever platforms they're released.
@Sakura I like Nintendo Soon, but it might be too close to Sony's slogan - "Greatness Waits" - for its never ending string of PS4 game delays.
@JaxonH Speaking of enjoying games, I'm about halfway thru Ni No Kuni (PS3), and just got a giant flying purple dragon to fly around on. That might be even cooler than a hot air balloon. Well cooler, but probably not as slowly pleasing for a Zelda game. But I was thinking, maybe halfway thru Zelda Link could come across a small wooden plane, think Wright brothers. Maybe it could run on rubber bands, and as the game progresses Link can find stronger rubber bands for longer flight times. Ok, maybe just wind powered, like a glider.
This is good for a Sunday morning.
Dragon, plane, balloon, giant dog thing (Neverending Story or Last Airbender) I just want a way to travel slowly over all of that huge world. And get up all the mountains. Breath of the Wild makes me thinking soaring eagles.
Lucky you. One of the few PS3 games I really wanna play.
Soaring Eagles. Like his sail cloth. Just needs a little jet propulsion to get back up the mountainside.
I started Dragon Quest VII. Definitely a unique RPG. I'm sure you already played it back on PSone.
@A01 That's what it comes down to, really. I currently own a PS4, but I still play my Wii U significantly more. Not because I'm a drone who will gobble up anything Nintendo released (quite the contrary, in fact, as I haven't gotten and won't get stuff I find unappealing, such as Federation Force abd Star Fox Zero), but because Nintendo platforms simply get games that are, in my opinion, more worthy of my time. Between the larger releases and the plethora of indie masterpieces that run better in syatems with two screens (hello, Axiom Verge), Wii U and 3DS are absolutely my favorite platforms this generation.
Is it sad to only own Nintendo platforms and never get to experience a Souls game? Sure. But it's much sadder in my opinion to only own Sony/Microsoft and never get to experience a Zelda.
But then again, that's opinions for you.
A year ago I was a long time Nintendo fan on the fence. I had bought a PS4 and had sold my WiiU. After almost a year with the PS4 I realized how much I missed Mario and Zelda and the overall charm of Nintendo games. I got tired of all the new PS4 games being about shooting stuff or killing things. I have two daughters (11 & 13). They both also admitted the same. Now we have made a family pact to only buy Nintendo products. So my backlog is now manageable and we are having fun playing video games again! My advice to Nintendo is make a great launch but don't forget to announce it!! People I know are interested in Nintendo for the first time due to Breath of the Wild, take advantage of that. Sony has fumbled with their Pro system and there is a large gap before Scorpio that Nintendo could fill.
As I get older, I realize I do not have time to play these games as much. My loyalty has made me purchase games I hardly play. My backlog isn't so much now because I have summers off. I am playing DQ7 now and this is 100 hours of time sucking right there. I have to date. I have to work. I have to go to the gym. My time is limited now. This is hard for me to say, but sometimes I think I do not need video games any longer. I should plan only for the summers. It makes me stay up later. It makes spend money that sometimes I do not have. I am not saying that it did not give me pleasure and I'm not saying I going to give them up, but there comes a time in your life when these things do not matter. I would like to start a family. I find myself playing games on a Friday night instead of getting some. Nintendo will always have my loyalty , but the more I get older the more my time is pressed.
@A01 this is so true. What's more, Nintendo are MASTERS of big games with lots of content that can played in vote sizes chunks
@River3636 This is precisely the problem I have with videogames nowadays. That feeling made me sell almost all the games in my possession, except for some multiplayer titles for whenever I have people over.
Besides that problem of not having enough time, when you get older, other things become more important. Playing videogames make me feel like I am wasting the little spare time I have. I could be hanging out with friends, play bass guitar, exercise etc. That feeling sucks all the fun out of the games for me.
@River3636 I can totally relate. I started my family in the wii era and couldn't give to much time to gaming only playing the first party games. Got the wii u and the kids play it more but they do love it and the charm. There is only so much you can do in the day. Work. Social life gym family. I tend to only game with my kids on the wii u. PlayStation only for me and that's only one game which is street fighter 5 when I rarely get the time
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Totally agree. I love Nintendo and I am loyal to them, but some of their decisions in the past four or so years have truly been baffling.
@Clownshoes Okay, I would love some examples. I honestly couldn't find anything. Indies maybe but a lot of those are on WiiU too.
@Alundra-1998 I've a 1080p Sony Z1 and can't distinguish a single pixel with it pressed against my face.
720p is a sweet spot. Even 480p on the 6.2" Wii U Gamepad screen actually looked fine, Infact impressive.
The pixel numbers game is nothing but a PR pitch. My 6 year old 1080p 60" Pioneer KRP600 Plasma destroys my top of the range Samsung 50" 4K LCD in terms of quality, detail, colour accuracy and black levels. 4K content looks incredible on my Pioneer, and even now everyone assumes my 1080p Plasma is the 4K TV.
Pretty much the way I see. They should be battling for a bigger home console user base, not for the time and loyalty of the small - and likely shrinking - one they now have.
My prediction is that after being burned with the Wii U, many will avoid the NX and only the diehards (like the members of this forum) will buy the it.
If they struggled financially with the poor sales of the WiiU time will tell how they manage with what I believe will be an even worst selling NX.
I would love to be wrong.
@liveswired Okay. I guess 720p and 1080p are a nice distinctive middle ground.
I never used to be about graphics, but I do love my technology to the point of wanting something that I can be proud about.
Eg. I have a 49" 4K Smart TV.
Nintendo always battled for our time, if you play a video game you are spending time that could be spent elsewhere. Just now there is more "on-demand" things that fight for that time.
Wii U was a disappointment, but at the same time I own over 100 titles on the Wii U. 37 Retail, 33 eShop and the rest in Virtual Console. That is a library that is only rivaled by the 360 for me. What made it a disappointment was that there was so much potential wasted by Nintendo being bi-polar in game development. Nintendo never really took advantage of the eShop to produce smaller titles, never really got a flow going, and seemed only really put effort into the system a third of any given year.
If the NX is their only console, I think they can fix that problem.
If they are really fighting for loyality and time ... they dont show it and in fact, they are doing the opposite cause now they are losing parts of their hardcore base fans. This is meant towards their own myNintendo crap and "the biggest major joke app" Miitomo.. it was the chance they had to bound more loyal fans and they pissed off all of them (yes, im not talking about the ones cuddling with yoshi plush toys in bed or collecting every pieces of Nintendo like rare stamps)
This is coming from someone who bought an original NES back in 1987 bundled with ICE CLIMBER (not even something as great and simple as ICE CLIMBER they managed recently)
Spare me that Mario Runner crap .. if you really think thats worth playing or even consider this garbage to be a mario game, you never ever were a loyal Nintendo Fan or understood the difference of these games compared to generic crap on xBOX/Playstation.
Whoever is making calls at Nintendo these days is just looking at how you artificially please the shareholders
And as good as Dragon Quest might be, its a freaking REMAKE .. if thats your so called "important" release youre done already... they dont care about loyality, they want new fans spending the same money on the same OLD games we all did already
@ironside1911 totally agree
I vaguely remember Nintendo saying many years back (possibly just before the Wii era) that their competition wasn't really [limited to] Sony or Microsoft, it was things that consume your entertainment time.
And if you studied Marketing, that's also one of the early concepts you're taught. Your competition aren't really the companies you have direct connections with, it's wider than that or something like that. My memory has grown fuzzy.
@The_Dude_Abides If the NX is the hybrid console/handheld everyone expects, your point isn't valid. It will be pull the handheld users as well.
@BLPs Yeah but UK has also always been a more hostile environment for Nintendo than the US and Japan.
Arlo is awesome. I've seen few videos of him in the suggestion for a week or so and started watching him today. A few minutes into his first video I've seen, and I was already loving the guy.
My PSP and my 3DS can painfully relate to each other if they have a theoretical chat about how big each one's backlog is. And this is about my handhelds, mind you, which are my favorite kind of console.
At home (I'm at my mountain house again) my PS1, PS2, GameCube, Xbox 360, WiiU and Xbox One are discussing even bigger backlogs, which I will never complete in my lifetime.
Alas, such is life.
@Anti-Matter I'm just Nintendo too (except for hearthstone on PC). After owning a PS3, and getting in on PS+ at the beginning, I had after a few years gained a pretty sizable catalog of games, and realized that there are no good AAA games I like on their system at all. The only games I actually liked on there were the indies, and I can get those anywhere. So, since then I realized that I won't be buying another system from Sony. I suspect I won't end up with an Xbox either, but, I hate to write something off without putting it through it's paces; but, they'd have to show me something more than another game with guns.
I actually did something similar. I was mainly a Nintendo gamer all the way up to and almost through the GameCube era .. And drifted away. 2 weeks ago I traded a Ps 4 , Ps vita and games in for a new 3ds, new 3ds Xl and a Wii u. I now have a really big backlog of everything 3ds and Wii U. I am happy with my decision and can't wait for the NX reveal as I will definitely be getting one .
I've never owned a non-Nintendo gaming platform (unless you count an iPhone that only plays Pokémon Go), and I don't foresee anything that would compel me to start buying Sony or Xbox consoles. That's because my tastes in gaming are narrow and selective, and they luckily happen to match up perfectly with the Nintendo ethos. (E.g. I hate shooters because they're dark and violent; I loved Splatoon because it's bright and creative.) I'd be perfectly happy if Nintendo forever made nothing but its classic style of semicasual nonviolent games, but unless my preferences are reflective of a large customer base, doing that is unsustainable for them. Sadly, maybe they NEED to appeal to the warsexual types.
@Bigskyorbust I just can't seem to get into the PS4 and Xbox One ..Nintendo just seems to be more fun to play .
@Ralek85 you might have just won NL comment of the year with that one.
Iwata, r.i.p., is central to blame about the shying away from competition and embracing the role of 2nd console. You think Yamauchi would have considered that route? Sure, Wii was crazy success, but 10 years later it's clear that was lightning in a bottle thanks to the way Nintendo decided to rest on their laurels about it.
Nintendo deserves every bit of their irrelevancy atm, and will not be returning to their Wii success days anytime soon.
@Deathstalker83 more fun to play... what are you playing right now exactly? 2 year old games on Wii U?
Seems like I may be in a minority here actually WANTING super long games. I'd rather buy one 100 hour game than four 25 hour games, that's less money for me for the same amount of content. If you aren't enjoying a long game to the end, then perhaps the game really wasn't that great. No one's making you finish it. Besides, since when is gaming about checking as many games off your list as possible? I've long accepted I won't play every "great" game out there and couldn't care less, as long as I enjoy the ones I play. And I rarely (if ever) impulse games just because of sales and throw them onto an endless backlog. Waste of money, in my opinion. In short, I'd prefer the games I buy be as long as possible - ideally I enjoy it and don't have to spend money on games for awhile, and worst case scenario I get bored and move on, in which case I happily got my fill (if the story ending really plagues me and I still have a lot left, I can always look it up online, it's not the end of the world).
Example: I happily played through to the end of XC on the Wii, and I enjoyed the dozens of hours I put into XCX which I admittedly haven't beaten but that doesn't mean I didn't get my money's worth. I'd rather a game be "too long" than too short, and I hope BotW will be verrry long - and not just to 100%, I mean the main story, trying to 100% games is tedious to me, I don't want the story to end in like a dozen or two hours and then all that is left to wander around to collect items and heart containers I no longer need.
Gaming in Canada has been getting expensive again over the past few years which has made me pretty hesitant on getting games at full price these days. Heck, over the past year the only games I've got at full price was Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate/Generations since those are games I really enjoy. While other games I got because they're games I like but generally have low stock like the Special Edition of Fates or Senran Kagura Deep Crimson. Every other games I got have been from sales on Steam, occasional Humble Bundles and even some free games that are given out occasionally.
Due to this I told myself I don't have plans on getting new games for awhile since they're getting a bit too expensive over here and I got more than enough games to keep me busy for the next year or two since time will start to be limited for me due to college. I hope Nintendo improves on their mistakes with the NX as they make the best replayable games, but I'm afraid Breath of the Wild will probably be my last current gen purchase from them. I'll still buy some of the games I've missed like Dream Team later of next year, however it's probably time I take a break from buying current gen games for now and just finish games I haven't finished yet.
@gatorboi352 Or he could just find Nintendo games more fun to play in general...... So what if those games are 2 years old? They are still better than half of the recycled tripe out there right now.
@NIN10DOXD UK seems to be more western game only than the US is. And that's saying something. My uni doesn't like mentioning Nintendo or Japanese style/made games
I've enough backlog to do me 10 years, I'm adding to it all the time, in the last month I've bought 3 games alone. I only started playing Pikmin 3 now even though i bought it a few years ago. Loving it by the way.
The only way Nintendo will sell NX to me is with killer first party games. I'm not bothered with 3rd party I can get them on the PlayStation. I think 3rd party games are well overrated, even on Sony's system I try to get first party games. I'm getting a ps4 this Christmas.
@Uncensored Yes! I totally agree, hahaha
Super Paper Mario is one of my favorites.
What you said is exactly where Nintendo's problems lie. Mass appeal.
As it stands Nintendo cannot survive developing console games that only appeal to their shrinking userbase. The finances don't lie.
Unlike you my gaming taste is more varied and incorporates what you called "warsexy" types but I understand your gaming preference and respect it.
But my view is that Nintendo need 3rd parties to feed them those "warsexual" games whilst they concentrate on their own.
I cannot stress enough how important 3rd parties are for a console to be successful in this current and future generation.
I am not saying this will make them topdog, but it will surely make them more relevant.
@bitleman Well, that really depends what exactly you are saying. From Software sales (I would argue there was/is a "Souls"-craze in fact) hardly are at a historical low, and we shall see too what extend Final Fantasy will make splash (not that interested myself, but I think it will sell pretty good).
I still mainly buy a console, and definitely Playstation and Nintendo, for japanese games, and yes, they've become less, as the audience has mainly shifted to the likes of CoD, Destiny, BF, Fifa, other open-world shooters and mobile, but they are still there.
Platinum games is also thoroughly booked for the next years, among their projects we see games like NIER: Automata ... it didn't get more out there, it's-own-thing and Japanese than Nier, which also sold terribly by the way and after it Cavia went out of business and was scooped up.
Persona 5 is also looking to make quite the splash next year, at least for the 5th spin-off game of an internal Atlus series. RE7 seems to mark a revival of sorts, as well as reimagination as well.
My point was just about exclusives though, but just games. You could play Nier or Shadows of the Damned or what-have-you as much on the Wii, as you can play Dark Souls, Metal Gear Solid or Final Fantasy on the WiiU. Most of these games, would have been exclusive during the PS2 or PSX era, but they no longer are. They all are on Xbox as well as Playstation, most are even on PC, but none of them are on Nintendo systems.
I mean simply put Nintendo fans are missing out more than they are getting. Yes, I loved Bayonetta 2 as well, just as much as TMR#FE and XBCX, all of which I happily bought, almost like any other WiiU exclusive, but the numbers are just ... not really adding up. Exclusive I only say, becaue the WiiU basically always gets the worst version ,if there is a multiplatform game in play, with only very few exceptions, and those are all last-gen games.
Also Zombi(U) and Rayman Legends are NOT exclusives and Devil's Third was really bad imho. It was not even "whacky japanese good", or stood out through writing, narrative, voice-acting, music and creativity like Nier, it was just a poor playing, poor looking, poor performing game, with some good ideas, esp. for multiplayer, but that was about it. I cannot measure up evne agaist the most mediocre of other exclusives out there.
Found the reference now - from 2009 - http://www.siliconera.com/2009/11/13/who-are-nintendos-competitors/
“The way we look at it, we’re in the entertainment business consumers only have a limited amount of time for entertainment and so we compete with Apple, we compete with your program [CNBC], we compete with books and magazines, we compete with everything people do for entertainment,”
This also helps clarify why Nintendo doesn't focus on Sony and Microsoft as their competition. They're looking at a wider scope.
@gatorboi352 "lightning in a bottle" is precisely right, and we both know who keeps trying to recapture said lightning again and again, against all reason, odds or hope ... gamblers do. Once it struck, they will keep playing at that game, until everything they once gained is lost, and then someone.
Nintendo - last gen - acted like a gambling addicted. Some good games came out of it, no doubt, and it was an interesting experiment, which I can respect, I guess, but still their "motivation" was clear and the outcome was predicable.
It is embarrassing that indie games are keeping Wii U alive. Star fox flops so badly, and I cannot think of an upcoming Wii U game that I am looking forward to this year.
@JaxonH Well, I suppose if they could give the sail cloth a little extra lift, something similar to his windwaker wand, that would technically get the job done, but I feel bad for Link's arms, that isn't exactly first class.
Its called "breath", a cloud could be a breath.
Only DQ I've played was 8 on PS2, and it was great. One of the first real wander around do nothing JRPG I played, and riding around on the tiger was sweet.
@Sakura My new Nintendo logo
@Deathstalker83 Do it! If you don't play them, you should do it now. Don't wait. The longer you hold on to them, the less they will be worth when you trade them in.
Personally, I'm trying to be patient for Nintendo to pull the curtain off of the NX. I'm craving a new home console and I'm getting tired of waiting....I'm growing impatient. I want to play some of those big games found on the PS4 and Xbone that don't come and won't come to my Wii U. My hope is that when the NX finally is announced with all it's details, that some of the games we missed on Wii U will be ported to the NX. Games like FIFA, Fallout 4, Street Fighter, Star Wars....ext. The thing with me is that in the past I usually purchased two home consoles each generation. This is the first time I have not because I no longer have the time in my life to play all the games I want to and can't justify buying two $300+ systems. I'll wait for now, but the longer Nintendo waits....the closer I am to buying the PS4 or Xbone.
@GreatPlayer I feel bad for Star Fox kind of. It has arrived at a bad time for the Wii U. I believe that if it came out earlier, it may have been played by more people. The problem is that most Wii U owners have moved on.
My family, especially my two sons, play the Wii U every day. They're still playing Smash, Mario Maker, Splatoon, while working their way through Wind Waker (their first Zelda game).....actually, their still playing Nintendo Land weekly!
The less "hardcore gamer" and the more Blue Ocean the better I say. Reading some of the comments the "Oh, they're so out of touch with what I want" "fans" aren't really worth going after. Like at all.
If you're done with them, why not start right now? No Zelda for you. But of course people like you want the Zelda goodness.
Why should the NX get ports of old games? That worked really well for the Wii U. Third parties should put the newest releases on the NX and not year-old ports of games that lack features and cost like half as much on other platforms. I'd understand old ports with all features at a reasonable price, though.
I understand that you didn't play them, but then that's tough luck.
I'd consider playing two year old games normal in a way. But I guess we live in a time when you play through a game and then trade it in or don't play it again at all, because you're on the next new thing.
A fun game is a fun game. There are quite a few people out there who mostly do retro gaming. Now those people play 20 and more year old games.
@Rin-go I'm not sure which ports you're referring to on the Wii U??? The Batman game? Mass Effect 3? They're the only two that I can think of. The Batman game I thought sold okay? Anyways, it's my opinion that a game like Fall Out 4 ported to the NX would sell, but maybe I'm wrong.
I understand what you're saying though. I want new games too. I just think that some of the big games that Nintendo only gamers missed, would sell. I'm not saying port every game, and don't make anything new. I'm saying, "can't we have both?". I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
"Nintendo, though, isn't directly competing in either space; the Wii U has finished the process started by Wii in terms of drifting away from mainstream third-party retail games, in particular..."
The staff at Nintendolife needs to check their air conditioning for any Fuzzies from Yoshi's Island. Wii is the system that brought Call of Duty back to Nintendo systems. Then Wii U killed it. Wii is the system that got FIFA games up to FIFA 15 or something ridiculous. Wii U didn't even get FIFA at that point.
So it was the Wii U that completely killed the progress that had been made by Wii. Wii U went in the complete opposite direction, lost those series and so many more, and now here we are.
@rjejr Nice job! Had an official news email from "intendo" earlier. That would put a different spin on their illogical decisions - Intendo - deliberately baffling.
@gatorboi352 yes i am and there more fun ! even the nes vc games are more fun !
It's not about percentage. It's about the fun you have with a game. Not matter if you complete it to 100% or 70%. There are many games out there where 100% are not worth it at all because a lot of stuff in those RPG's is boring. XC (Wii) was boring as hell besides the story (and it was to long, the gameplay, variety wasn't good enough to motivate for such a long time). So don't focus on something silly like percentages. Just do the things that are fun and don't bother with pointless time consuming stuff.
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