Fresh Nintendo Patents Reinforce Concept of NX Featuring Detachable Controllers

I think this would be great, as long as it's done right and it's at a good price, it's a day one pick up for me😀.

As long as we get a traditional controller that can be used as the main one, I'll be happy enough with any extra features.

The infrared detection for controllers seems very, very odd if I'm understanding this correctly. This is a good time to remember that these patents may have nothing to do with the final product.

Until its shown off, no, not listening. May be true, may not be.

Given you guys are part of the same network as Eurogamer, which printed the initial story and you then did your own research, I cant call any of it corrororated by you guys, because you aren't an independent outlet, it could have just been the same guys and the same potential lies.

Wow I really am not liking this god forsaken console. Sorry, handheld, despite the obvious writing on the wall.

The NX rumours are incredibly interesting though: two separate, different devices that both sides are sure is the NX - for all we know, they both are.

Seems like nintendo will never reveal this new system. At least all the other rumers were debunked within a week. I believe it will be a handheld with a TV dock and that it will use carts again.

Infrared?

I just don't see how patents for this stuff get approved when things like Gamevice and Wikipad are already out. Is that what the infrared is for, to make this unique enough for a patent?

Look @ThanosReXXX a tablet.

@rjejr I just cant get behind this. Both sides are saying conflicting things about a system we know nothing about and both are adamant with developer sources which is raising questions that most likely, one side is bullcrap. -.-

I'm sick of these's blasted rumors.This diagram of the attached controlers looks bloody fake and awful, it reinforces NOTHING. As usual we get Eurogamer saying they have multiple sources again and everyone picks up on it and runs saying same thing.I though Nintendo said they were looking to hirie 2 people one for mobile side of things and one to head Console.Wht would they be looking to hire to separate technical people if there was only 1 device that's coming out.Go to SuperMetaldave64.I'm not buying this.Nintendo always has given you a choice portable or console.There's noway that you have to choose this one off screen hybrid if your not interested in portables

Getting the point of losing all interest in the nx! Maybe I'm getting to old for it all now but it's boring waiting for a reveal. I'm starting to feel what ever they release will be "oh we waited this long for that?" Starting to not like Nintendo as a company altogether although they where my childhood friend. I have supported each console from n64 onward and the wii u has left a very bitter taste in my mouth, yes it has great games and I've had lots of fun with it but that's just it I've invested money into a products I expected to keep going for 5 or so years.

Not sure how many times I can play the same great games over again? And to pay to upgrade games I've already purchased? Yes I'm looking at you virtual console!!! Yes you added miiverse etc but seems a bit tight to charge people again who have supported the service and the rate they release them is dire I'm not expecting new ones each week but least give your consumers a choice of what games they would like?! And why are they avoiding GameCube? Missing a big market there! You even have the bloody adapter.

The wii u has been left out to dry out like an anime fan on prom night, it saddens me.

Sorry Nintendo times are a changing and I feel you can't keep up with what your fan base actually want. It will take a lot for me to purchase a nx and it certainly won't be day one after the mess they made with the wii u.

Sorry Nintendo. And let's not speak of my nintendo.

With all these really terrible rumours for the NX and having to wait so long for Nintendo to reveal the system, I'm starting to loose my hype for the system instead of gaining hype for it, which is really sad.

I don't know what to think,detachable controllers seem awfully fiddly to me.Kids are careless with things too,having 2 detachable parts,it's inevitable they'll go missing.Lose one side and you have 2/3 of a console,can you still use it?Do you need to buy half a controller to use it again?

I love all of the paranoid secrecy concerning this new device. As if whatever new gimmick they're cooking up is something that'll change the balance of the console wars on release.

C'mon Nintendo give us real information and end all this speculation and rumour. I still think the information is coming at the end of the month, possibly sliding into September. Not sure if Sony's upcoming conference will interfere in that schedule. I also think NX will feature something significant that could be easily implemented by the competition but it's almost like Nintendo want the new PS4 revealed first so that they can't just add it in to the presentation if Nintendo show their hand first.

Oh a side note, it's nice to read something without pokemon in the title... I know....

Anyway, back up to read the story

@MarcelRguez "smug"

Nice choice of word. There was 1 article here NL that was so smug I thought the author was trying to sell stock in Nvidia, likely a pump and dump, and we were idiots if we didn't buy that stock.

@BLPs I think I've dove so far into this I've come out of the other side smiling. Though really I've just distracted myself by saying - who gives a $#@ what the hardware is, it's all about the games, isn't it? Nitneod has made great games on the NES, SNES, GameCube, Gameboy, DS, 3DS, I'm sure no matter what hardware they use they'll be able to make great games on it, so who the heck cares about the the hardware, just show us the games already.

Being frank, patents almost never look as good as the final product. They just make them look cheap and basic to easily emphasize the important parts of the patent, in this case being the detachability of the controllers and the infrared tech.

Not too much longer now...or maybe not. Its August and still left wondering what Nintendo is trying to sell me.

Games sell consoles. Not the other way around.

This looks so gimmicky im seeing a lack of consistent 3rd party uptake again. I hope this succeeds. Wish like everyone else they would dispel the rumours already!

No surprises here. These are not the facts you are looking for...move along.

Looks more like a smart device accessory that was talked about, to me.

@rjejr
It's funny you mentioned Nvdia's stock their earnings report was today ... 🙂

@rjejr I dove so far into saying I'm allowed to like the Wii U and its games that I came out on the other side, frankly, insane. Right now, I just don't have the energy or give a damn. I got crap for liking the Wii U for what it was, i aint getting involved in this steamlog

I'm still not sold on the idea of having controllers come off the console, and I can see it either being uncomfortable to hold or expensive.

However, I'll wait until it's officially revealed before judging. I always think that things look better when all the information about it is known instead of when we only know bits of info from leaks.

@hYdeks
Yeah I just don't care anymore until Septrmber

Cmon Nintendo, just announce the thing already!

The hand direction thing could be interested....but only if they revive the Power Glove to utilize the feature better, only the darn thing actually works. XD

Well, if no one else is going to say it I will, NX is an Etch-a-Sketck.

If this is true, I'd love to see a range of accessories that would custom-tailor the "traditional" way of playing, such as being able to swap out an analog stick with a track pad, the standard Nintendo D-pad for some third-party (let's say Hori) Genesis/Saturn-imitation D-pad, ditto for face-button layouts.

...Or better yet, can we just see what the real thing can do already?

I really hope this isn't really what the NX is

@Captain_Gonru With the new NX-a-Sketch you don't need an NFC reader, you simply draw a picture of the amiibo and it works.

@MarcelRguez I only watch SMD for his funky Illuminati porn music, HNF is just insane and off his meds, I never found Rodgers so I read Indie Gamer Girl instead, she doesn't cover NX, just the Golden State Warriors in between game reviews. I do like player essence, he's the snoop dog of NX conspiracy theorists. And Nintendo Life is my only gaming site, it was just the tone of that 1 article I didn't like.

@arrmixer I don't normally believe in coincidences, but I didn't know that. So, did they announce a supply of 12 million X2 chips for Nintendo?

@rjejr All joking aside, I actually like the U shaped one. That's something that I might even buy if I had a tablet.

These patent designs just get worse and worse! Nintendo are going to have to pull their finger out soon & show us what the NX really is. I will hold my opinion until then, but these wacky ass fisher price toy contraption patents aren't helping!!

When Nintendo finally reveal the NX, I would love to have a poll on who will buy it, who won't, and who will jump over to Sony or Microsoft.

September can't come fast enough 😔

@dizzy_boy yeah, it would be pretty interesting to see if Nintendo wins or loses fans because of their reveal. imo, I think the games and 3rd party support will play a larger role in the NX's success than any sort of console form the NX takes.

can't say I'm too excited about the NX, but I'm definitely excited about the reveal.

This is my guess. And yes, I posted it also on supermetaldave video.

It will be 3 devices. Imagine Wii U cradle, but bigger and more complex - this will be the dock (an actual part of the console) with main computing device in it.
Now imagine 2nd device - the Wii U gamepad (with additional computing device in it) in docked state in this dock - this will be your NX in home console state. Now you can unplug the controller sides from right and left, and add it to some other hardware (3rd device), which will create classic gamepad for your home console gaming. And thats it.

But that also means - no Breath of the Wild in ultra graphics on the go, because if you are out, you will have only gamepad with you, and that will be like 40% of computing power, so there will be something like "lower graphics mode" for all games.

Also... There were these opinions about screen on the Wii U gamepad, that it takes your attention from the TV - which is true in this sense, so I dont think that Nintendo will return to this gaming concept. - thats why, you will have classic gamepad, and your remaining screen will be docked beside the TV.

Im not sure what exactly will be displayed on this screen while you are playing on your TV, but I think there is a potential for something. - Maybe it could work as notifier? If you receive a message it will show big letter on that screen? Who knows? And maybe Im completely wrong...

@Naisho
I totally forgot that they said that! Standard contoller then? Each time I see a rumor and compare it with what Nintendo has officially said, I find holes in the rumors that get me all excited! SF0 was a pretty good game though, only thing I could see that prevented vs multiplayer was the gamepad. Hopefully it did well enough to get a sequel on the NX along side a new 2d Metroid game!

Sheesh. I've never seen anyone get worked up so much over a rumor.

These patents prove nothing and Nintendo is revealing the NX in September (as a NoC representative said), end of conversation.

@rjejr I'm sort of disturbingly fascinated by the tone of some people that on the one hand don't want the NX to be what EuroGamer says it is going to be but on the other hand are annoyed by people like SMD64 and HNF because they say it is indeed going to be something different or that, at the very least, information is missing so it isn't all there is to tell about the NX.

As mentioned earlier in several articles and comments, I'm also about to reach my limit with all these rumors but I can at the very least acknowledge in an objective manner that one side at least has some really good points and supports their claims with facts, whereas the other side seems to think that mentioning that they have "trusted" sources is more than enough to make us believe that their information is solid and verified.

And the info trickling out of Nvidia that I already previously mentioned is saying absolutely NOTHING about design wins, consoles, handhelds or Nintendo.

As for this patent: yet another vague story to add to the mix, most likely as a precaution to protect the idea from the competition, like so many other patents. Still doesn't reinforce or confirm anything since it isn't... ?
Exactly: cleared for completion.

Have I already mentioned that from ALL the supposed (because some seem suspiciously similar to other and older devices) NX related patents, only the one concerning the SCD's is cleared for completion and ACTUALLY paid for by Nintendo?

And to do that now with a fresh patent, will take at least another 5 to 6 months, which will be WAY too late to implement this into any device being released in March 2017.

And you gotta love the language they use:
"An inside of the housing is visible from an outside thereof through at least a portion thereof"

Say what? It always reminds me of legal documents or manuals from audio or video devices: it's always much easier to just pick up the remote, press the menu button and browse through all the categories because the text in manuals and documents is never user friendly or easily understandable.

By the time I reach the end of the first page, I've already forgotten what it said at the beginning...

I don't understand why Nintendolife members are upset at this. First of all, if you have been on this site, you have known for a really long time that the reveal is in September. Second, this is only a patent that may or may not have any relevance to the NX. Also, it is not for us to judge how a patent is awarded or not, or even if the patent has been awarded for this possible IP. Nintendo has been doing this kind of thing for a long time and sometimes it comes to something and sometimes it doesn't.

It should be fun dreaming about what it could be. Instead we all assume that we will be disappointed, or that they hype is too much, or whatever. In the end, the hype is what you make it. A new Nintendo console is in the works, and the hype train is in full motion. If you want off, awesome . I don't see what good it does to share that here, but I suppose this is just as good as any place to vent about it. I just don't personally understand.

Anyway...this is not a new concept. Rumors of detachable controllers connected to a pad has been catching steam for some time now, and comparisons to the Gamevice are old by the standards of the speed of information these days.

I hope the NX is awesome...but if it's not, then Nintendo will either figure it out or it won't. In the end, it does not really matter because if all else fails, we always have other consoles.

@rjejr I understand your frustration. But there is a difference between an actual issued/granted Patent which gives you intellectual property rights and a publication of a patent application applying for a patent (what we have here). In addition, there is a difference between what pictures of the device look like and what is claimed/covered by the patent. Here the nintendo patent claims a "movable portion" that is exposed on the outside of a housing that is also exposed on the inside of the housing. The Game Vice does not have the internals of the buttons exposed. Also, later claims cover the use of a camera to image the exposed inside of the buttons. Which the game vice does not do.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20160231773.pdf

@RCMADIAX I believe the CPP does use IR. But, the patent application here uses IR to view an exposed inside (underneath) of the buttons. The CPP doesnt have exposed button internals, it just uses IR to send information. https://storemedia.nintendo.com/ui/images/devices/3ds/parts-accessories/3ds-circlepadpro-empty-480x320.png

@rjejr Go HNF!
https://twitter.com/happy_nintendo/status/763844769290326016

@rjejr
" who gives a $#@ what the hardware is, it's all about the games, isn't it? Nitneod has made great games on the NES, SNES, GameCube, Gameboy, DS, 3DS, I'm sure no matter what hardware they use they'll be able to make great games on it, so who the heck cares about the the hardware, just show us the games already"

Preach it brother

All patents aside, I think nx is a new platform. More along the lines of steam or Apple. Different devices, but they all play same games. Maybe there is a couple different tablets sizes with optional add on controllers or virtual buttons. Maybe it's more like a wii u gamepad that be played on the go. Maybe there is a traditional home console style controller. Maybe it's anew platform that's not 3ds and wii u branded. Maybe we will find out in the next couple months. But whatever nx is, I think Nintendo is going to release something I will be buying day 1. nintendo consoles dominate my gaming while my PS3/4 and pc get about 10% of my gaming time. I really hope it doesn't take the place of my wii u as much as my iPhone and 3ds...

I was going to submit a tip for this story, but I see @BensonUii beat me to it. again

Soooo, your finger is the New WiiMote then?!!

Guys, calm down.
Let's keep praying for Nintendo.
Let's pray for the best design & features of NX.
I believe Nintendo have some surprising secrets...

@rjejr "I never found Rodgers"
Well if you keep spelling her name wrong, you never will. IndieGamerChick is an entirely different person.

Here's the infamous ms. Emily Rogers:
https://twitter.com/arcadegirl64

Her account is private though, due to all the backlash she was getting, so if you want to know more, you'll need to start following her.

EDIT:
Found a public site where she publishes her tweets in more detail, so no need to follow her on Twitter:
https://arcadegirl64.wordpress.com/

Nintendo's September miracle!!!!

@ThanosReXXX I'm not sure why but the amount of animosity and hate Ms. Rogers and Liam Robertson get peeves me to no end.

When my N3ds leaves the house it is in a case that I put in my purse.

Guys flipped out over the xl not fitting in their pockets. How in the hell is a unit with an unprotected screen going to hold up to being shoved in a pocket and sat on?

@JaxonH After I wrote that I had a few other replies, went back and re-read it, and thought you would approve. I was going to edit you on, but then I found out recently edits don't email. At least it hasn't worked for me. Glad you found it though. But seriously. I don't care about the hardware anymore, I just want to know they didn't turn Pikmin 4 into a 2D sidescroling platformer like Kirby Mass Attack. Someday.

@k8sMum "a unit with an unprotected screen"

Well I don't know about being sat on, but I do know in the US Nintendo launched the 2DS alongside this official case, so maybe something similar?

@k8sMum If it is to be a single uncovered screen then it's no different from having a smartphone or tablet.If you worry about scratches or damage,there'll be screen protectors and cases available like always.Nintendo controllers and consoles are usually designed to withstand a lot anyway,I can't imagine NX being any different.

@CreativeStriker lolol. Sorry, but are you new to Nintendo? "Traditional" isn't in their vocabulary.

@Alexkidd1985 it's funny. I say pretty much the exact same stuff around here and i get taken to the woodshed.

There's only one entity to get upset at, folks. And that's Nintendo. Or the shell of what's left of Nintendo, anyways.

Nintendo = the BlackBerry of video games.

@rjejr if you're banking on it being all about the games in regards to Nx, just hang it up now and do yourself a favor. What games?

Ah crap... You didn't even spell Nintendo right! Trap!

@TromboneGamer Well, I can only speak for myself, although I can imagine some points of view that people might have.

Personally, I actually like Liam Robertson and I would trust him a whole lot more than Emily Rogers, simply because of his precise work on Unseen64, which clearly shows the quality of his research and his skills, which makes it quite reasonable to assume that even though maybe not all that he says is true, at least quite a bit of it very well might be, based on his solid reputation as a reporter, something that Emily Rogers sorely lacks.

She will not reveal her so-called "close to Nintendo" sources to prove her claims and has been wrong so many times recently that it isn't even funny anymore: all her E3 rumors were false (full voice acting in Zelda, male or female character select in Zelda, Mother 3 on VC, and earlier on, she even claimed the NX would be revealed at this year's E3)

And she ridicules people believing other theories, calling these rumors wacky, or she tells them not to believe it. I like to make up my own mind without some anonymous person telling me what to believe or not.

Combine all that with the fact that she has next to zero technical knowledge, which means that her interpretation about a lot of the hardware related rumors could easily be wrong and you should be able to see where people that don't like her are coming from.

I do agree that hating on either of them is crazy, since they are persons we don't know and they aren't hurting or damaging us in any way. But the internet can sometimes be a true cesspool full of antisocial numbskulls and under-educated individuals that think that such behavior is acceptable.

Best to just ignore them and not let it get to you that much, a waste of energy if you ask me...

@rjejr I'm guessing the infrared is so it can communicate to the device once it's been detached, not just when it's connected, and infrared is an exceedingly cheap means of achieving that. I'm not sure why people are getting caught up on that, since that's how tv remotes work.

@ParSnake Why is that odd though? It's just a way for one device to communicate to another one wirelessly.

@MarcelRguez I completely agree. Thought were doing this to ourselves by anxiously waiting. But yeah, Nintendo knows people are waiting. Like a hot chick they keep you waiting. Until you almost wanna say forget this! But then you see her and it's like, oh hell yes! I'm all over that!

@ThanosReXXX I'm not doing nearly enough drugs to understand that HNF pic. I do recall though maybe about a year ago I thought some company might make a "home console" that hid in a closet and connected to every tv in the house. But not by Nintnedo, Sony or MS. And Nintnedo hasn't done "ethernet ports" for the past 10 years. That's less a SCD, more of an external HDD where Hillary keeps her email.

I'm not following what's her face, too serious, I need my Fisher King insanity. ln case you didn't get my last pic.

@Alexkidd1985 here, here! You took the words right out of my mouth.

@gatorboi352 You get taken to the woodshed because you come to a site that exists specifically to cater to Nintendo fans specifically so you can troll Nintendo fans with how much you dislike Nintendo. Did you honestly never think about why that would bother people? If you don't like the reactions you get for your constant droning on about how much you hate Nintendo on what's basically a Nintendo fan site, then you should take that as a sign that you should stop going to that site, or stop commenting in the way that you always do literally every time you post something on that site. I mean I know you're from Florida, but don't go out of your way to be a stereotype.

@-DEMISE- "I'm not sure why people are getting caught up on that,"

B/c bluetooth is a thing. I don't think people even use those infrared remotes anymore, they just use their smartphones to control their Rokus. My infrareds don't work half the time, and if you've ever tried to use a Skylanders portal on the 3DS, or put your Wii U Fit meter info into your Gamepad, you'ld know it's a pain to do. Or just wire the things.

@rjejr - Well......at least I'll be able to draw the Box Boy amiibo

I think Nintendo has many directions they go in and the amount of people who are really in the know are so few that sources have conflicting info and somewhere in it is right and wrong but probably in pieces. I am convinced that it will be one operating system though and games will be playable both at home and on the go.....just not sure how that will all work.

Good news is, with only 1 version to make....while it maybe more complicated, we should see a steady flow of 1st party games which is why it will get bought. If my wii U got all of the 3DS games it would be an exclusive games juggernaut!

@OorWullie I never lost my NES or SNES controllers as a kid, or their cartridges, or my NES light gun, or my Game Boy or its tiny cartridges or any of my Game Boy accessories. I think that generally if kids care about something, they are less likely to lose it. I mean how many kids do you know that permanently lost their Wii remotes, or their tv remotes?

@ThanosReXXX While I haven't followed Rogers closely enough to see all of her E3 claims I'll definitely be looking into those more closely. It would seem her assertion that the NX would not be x86, at the very least, was correct based on the recent rumors which are the most credible to date. I am also quite sure that most of the rumors she posts have some sort of disclaimer. If Liam is anything to go by she likely has similar contacts in the industry though the argument that she rarely references them directly is an extremely fair point of criticism.

Now, I don't go day to day stressing over people who face the wrath of the internet, but I definitely think those who are prone to grieving investigative journalists should do their research and put things into perspective.

@rjejr It could honestly come down to cost for Nintendo, since Bluetooth is patented and has to be licensed.

@TromboneGamer Well, you kind of missed my point of her being nowhere in the same league as any investigative reporter. She is just a gamer like us, and maintains a rumor website and twitter page. She has no journalistic or investigative background, other than some contacts in the indie scene, which is not nearly enough and not credible enough for her to be claiming the things she does.

And just out of curiosity: what makes the Nvidia rumors so credible according to you? Seeing as you do not think it is going to be x86. I could give you 10 factual reasons why the EuroGamer rumor is exactly that: no more than a rumor.

I'm not saying that it couldn't be partially true, but it leaves a lot of things unanswered and it doesn't coincide with over half of the factual info that can be collected from the internet that does point towards a different solution.

@Alexkidd1985

You expected to get 5 years out of it and you will get an absolute minimum of 4 years and 4 months (assuming you stop using it the second the NX comes out).

Is it really that bad?

You didn't "invest". You bought something for fun, and at most, got a few months less than average.

I can't understand why people are acting like it was dropped after a year. You got plenty of quality software for your measly 250-350 dollars purchase (measly for something that lasts nearly a half decade)

I don't know if I like what the NX is turning out to be or not. On one hand I appreciate the potential innovation, but on the other hand the departure might not connect with consumers dooming it as a flop. Makes me think of that Jimi Hendrix line, "is this love, or confusion?"

@rjejr @BLPs

Do you guys mind pointing me to the "other" people who are sure of their sources? I'm only familiar with the eurogamer side. Who are the other guys and what are they saying the NX is?

@ThanosReXXX Eurogamer is a very credible website, at least according to NL and the majority of the games journalism community, and while I'm sure they've been wrong before we're too close to the reveal of the NX for these latest rumors to be too far off. Liam is also certain that the NX will have a Tegra chip (either X1 or X2) which does NOT use x86 architecture. We'd been getting so many rumors confirming AND denying x86 and ARM architecture just for it to turn around a couple weeks ago which may point to something: such as different models or even a different system entirely.

As for Rogers, I suppose she is no different from us right now, but she has been right before and I don't believe she's been all that rude. if she composes herself correctly perhaps at some point she'll publish her own articles. But, perhaps I'm being too positive...

I'm also curious what you're idea of the NX is based on the holes in the rumors we've had? All in good fun, of course.

Sure why not, but give us a normal controller as an option.

@BLPs
Until the NX is officially announced, I'm assuming that both sides are bull.

They are obviously putting so much work in behind the scenes. Think of all the affected families of those working in the research and development divisions losing their jobs if they became third party like the spoilt brats want.

it's a way to snap controllers onto the side without electrical connection. cheap, safer, reliable, and potentially very adaptable. It'd likely use a similar sensor to the one in the front of a Wiimote, and they were running at 100hz back then. No need to worry about lag/not registering multiple quick button presses in other words...

Very clever!

@-DEMISE- It's not the same thing as how infrared remotes work, it's literally a fast camera looking inside the shell of the controller to see which buttons are pressed in.

Ugh seriously Nintendo! Bunch of cheapskates!

They really going to continue with obsolete Infrared Technology?

To be honest it all sounds utterly confusing, especially to people outside of the Nintendo-bubble. If this turns out to be real, it will be dead on arrival. Nintendo should focus on one thing alone, and that's great games!

@Jeronan it's the same tech used in the end of the Wiimote - the one used to detect the sensor bar. It's also the same tech from the hand gesture recognition patent. nothing to do with TV remotes, though it could also be used as one...

it could also be used to read QR codes and barcodes!

Nope, I am out if this is it. Goodbye Nintendo 😢

Yes to the detachable controllers, no to the gesture-based rubbish. Microsoft have already lost a fortune by trying to force that on people.

@toxibunny Which is terrible! They should stick to Bluetooth and use a gyro for motion control, like other controllers do for years.

A detachable controller with infrared only will be utter fail! as infrared is so easily interupted. It will be terrible.

Seriously, I rather pay 10-20 bucks extra for the NX and have proper controllers with modern Technology, then being stuck again with horrible infrared Tech! Just to save couple bucks.

@Jeronan If there is one thing that is guaranteed,it is that the controllers wont be 'terrible'.Nintendo don't make terrible controllers.You might not end up liking the design of it of course but it'll work as it's supposed to just like every controller they've ever made for the last 30 years.

@OorWullie I am not talking about the quality of the Controllers. Those have always been good.

But the infrared motion controlls were subpar at best and always have been. Infrared is just too easily interupted and has given me plenty of headaches With motion Control games over the years.

It's fine with TV Remotes and the pranks you could do With it as a kid With Your neighbour's TV lol (just kidding), but infrared motion Control had it's time.

It's time Nintendo moves on with the times and starts using some more modern technology, like gyro motion tech that has been available for years and proven to be very accurate.
Together with Bluetooth, this is much better and reliable.

@Jeronan Isn't the Gamepad using gyro motion tech.I can't imagine them going backwards from that.Anyway,it's all patents and rumours just now,no one knows nothing really.It might end up knocking our socks off,I doubt it but you never know haha

@OorWullie Yes the gamepad uses Gyro Tech and it's an amazing difference in experience.
But it's a single Controller and we were never able to buy a second gamepad nor connect it.

That's why I am confused they still put up patents with infrared tech like these.

Lol at Nintendo going third party 😆

Wake me up when September ends

@Jeronan In this instance the controller only works when it's attached to the console, so it's impossible for the infrared to be interrupted. Compared to a bluetooth controller this doesn't need circuitry, bluetooth transceiver or batteries, which makes it cheaper and lighter.

It isn't a wireless controller, it's a method of attaching different control sets to a handheld console.

It amuses me when people are saying this is killing their hype for NX.
These are rumours, don't read the articles.
Has the internet really eroded peoples ability to be patient or differentiate between theory, rumour and truth?

@gatorboi352 I'm mean something along the lines of the Wii u pro controller, I just didn't know the best way to describe it.

@shaneoh I think both sides are bull anyway. Neither are a new way to play. I just want to see the damn thing, and from a legal standpoint if I was Nintendo I'd know who requested the information that was under NDA since the folks here use their names, find out who they spoke to, and then go to that "source" and wring their neck into an executor for breaking a legally binding contract just because some dork called Damien asked.

@LetsGoRetro various youtube personalities who are using less sources and more logical reasoning based on known business moves like job listings and partnerships since those have to be declared.

@rjejr
No I doubt it lol ... But I'll listen to the conference call and let you know... 😉

@Jeronan Chardir is right - this is only for when the controllers are attached. If this particular patent is used in controllers that are also to be used while not attached, they'll most likely link up using Bluetooth.

This is just a cool idea for for a way to an infrared LED and a camera to allow controllers to be attached that don't contain any electronics. It's not a final product, and it doesn't limit it to only controllers with no electronics. It also doesn't apply to detached controllers - so line-of-sight won't be an issue. And the NX will contain it's own gyro/accelerometer anyway.

@BLPs

Ah i see

This is kind of off topic but could the cancellation of the nvidia shield tablet k1 successor mean that the nx could get the tegra x2 chip?

@BLPs I'm dreading it, the whole concept looks like it's been tried before. Here's hoping rumors be rumors...

Rotten concept... Who wants 2 player on something the size of a mobile phone??!! I'm all for the portable aspect but removable buttons???!!! .... Um .... NO!!!!

I think this is a bad idea. Why should a game controller have detachable buttons? This isn't a Tablet, it's a game console (portable or stationary, doesn't matter).
I hope Nintendo are not making the same mistake in believing their console could replace Tablets. That ship has sailed a long time ago.

@Captain_Gonru Admit it, you're just too manly for a handbag. But yeah, Gamepad wouldn't exactly be portable. But neither are those 300 million 10" iPads, people manage. I've had a 7" tablet for 4 years, so has my wife. It's not a big deal. No offense @k8smum

@BensonUii I had that rotating tablet movable controller solution about a month ago. But I didn't like it too much. Then I came up with a better one. But now I can't remember what it was. I comment on here way too often. Have a nice vacation.

Oh, I remember now, it was way before the removable controllers got announced, that the buttons would be on the bottom like a Gameboy and the screen would pivot. I think I saw that in a cellphone once, back before they were smart.

Everyone keeps assuming this could be the NX... What if these are patents for the next 3DS successor? It's possible we still have no idea what the NX is. My guess is that it's a home console.

@rjejr

Adults manage them. Kids? Not so much, methinks.

If the handheld is integral to the nx, are kids going to be allowed to take it, perhaps leaving the nx unplayable til they get home?

I'm neither for nor against the concept. I just tend to see problems sometimes. Like Monk, it's a blessing. And a curse.

@BensonUii The Nintendo LEGO handheld? Or the Nintendo X-changeable...

@electrolite77 Ah, is that what that U-shaped thing is called? So I guess it's a case of "looks better than it actually is"?

Mind you, I don't even have a tablet, I just said that this might be something I'd buy if I did have one, simply because I hate touch screen controls.

@rjejr The palm Twist? Man, that looks like an absolute abomination. I wonder how many of those got sold before they ditched it.
"back before they were smart"
Well, from the looks of the pictures it was already a smart phone.

EDIT:
Ah, forget it. I missed the part where it said "concept phone" on the images. Guess it never came to market. And just as well...

@-DEMISE- Hey thanks for the reply!

I'm pretty excited to see what this all means. It shouldn't be much longer until we here from Nintendo. I expect it will be before the end of September. I don't get why people are angry with Nintendo about the hype. That's not their fault. When they said it wasn't getting announced at e3 this year, I expected September at best. No offense to news sites, but they are the ones that are over hyping the system before they actually know any real details. I'm expecting something unique and fun from Nintendo as usual. Other than lack of later support for the Wii U, I've been happy with every other system and don't expect NX to be any different.

Do you remember in the old days... just before a fresh console reveal... the games were shown first, then the box that ran them.... then finally a few years into its lifetime the weird peripherals would start to come along...?

http://www.dorkly.com/post/58722/the-x-stupidest-controllers-ever

@k8sMum Ah, the kids. That was my first concern when I saw this handheld with TV out idea. Not portability, but where did my NX go? If the exact same console tablet thing is used both on TV and on the go how are we ever going to keep track of it? My other concern, which nobody has ever mentioned, is NNID. All three of our 3DS have exactly 1. Our Wii U has 4. If NX is a handheld with TV out does that mean we each need to buy our own? It's a real concern for me. Well if this is true, I'm currently in the 2 console camp, there will be an NX home. Same cartidges though.

Ok, back to your problem. 2DS gets replaced by a cheap kids tablet with a handbag just like 2DS. Adults will have to deal with carrying around a bigger handheld. It's not ideal, but I think it's the least of Nintendos worries. I don't think it will be as big as Game pad though, maybe a 5" screen, and less bulky. But no, it won't be a foldable pocketable 3DS. iPad has a new 12" model, netbooks, laptops, phablets, Chromebooks, Surface, people find a way. Kids get cheap models and cases.

@ThanosReXXX Depends on your definition of "smart". There were lots of graphics phones running java before iOS and Android that aren't considered smart. I don't know why, I don't make the rules.

http://bpl-it.blogspot.com/2011/05/smartphones-vs-not-so-smart-phones.html

Though upon further review, I guess Palm WebOS was smart. Who knew?

@TromboneGamer "Eurogamer is a very credible website, at least according to NL and the majority of the games journalism community, and while I'm sure they've been wrong before we're too close to the reveal of the NX for these latest rumors to be too far off."

They have been wrong several times before, also on Playstation hardware (something to do with PS2, don't remember what exactly) and they assumed from pictures of very early beta versions of dev kits (which actually had a Tegra 2 chip in it as a placeholder) that the actual 3DS handheld would be Tegra based, which as we now all know is completely false. But EuroGamer speaks and everybody is piggybacking on their "report" from "trusted" sources, yet other than that, they say or prove nothing, so logic dictates that we can still treat this as a rumor, just like all the other stuff.

It isn't any more true than the AMD rumors and there certainly isn't more factual proof. I personally belief that if it's true, that it's only the handheld part and a home console will also be coming, which could then very well be AMD.

"Liam is also certain that the NX will have a Tegra chip (either X1 or X2) which does NOT use x86 architecture. We'd been getting so many rumors confirming AND denying x86 and ARM architecture just for it to turn around a couple weeks ago which may point to something: such as different models or even a different system entirely."

Well, like I said: the Nvidia thing could be true, my belief is just that it isn't all there is, so the picture isn't complete. Combine everything that has been said by Nintendo themselves with the various rumors that keep coming back and you end up coming to the conclusion that there will be more than one device, NOT a hybrid two-in-one, and that also sounds more like something Nintendo would do: release a console AND a handheld. Not a tablet with LEGO controllers...

"As for Rogers, I suppose she is no different from us right now, but she has been right before and I don't believe she's been all that rude. if she composes herself correctly perhaps at some point she'll publish her own articles. But, perhaps I'm being too positive..."

Well... yes and no. She hasn't always been rude, and personally I think rude is another level, but she does like to use words like wacky and crazy to discredit any rumor that isn't what she says. And as you can see from her Twitter profile, the account is very new. That isn't because she has only recently started to tweet but because her original Twitter account under her own name has been deleted by herself over a year ago, because a couple of years back she was also spouting a lot of rumors most of which were false and people started to attack and harass her for it and so she deleted her account because she couldn't handle the pressure anymore, and now she's back as "ArcadeGirl64" (and somewhere I have to wonder if that is not a sneaky stab at SuperMetalDave64)
And here's her public site if you want to browse through her rumors yourself and don't feel the need to follow her on Twitter.
https://arcadegirl64.wordpress.com/
(because of her previous experiences on Twitter, her new account is only accessible if you follow and are "trusted")

"I'm also curious what you're idea of the NX is based on the holes in the rumors we've had? All in good fun, of course."

Simply put, as you might have already guessed, a handheld AND a console. I think people also need to step away from the idea of "THE" NX, since both mr. Iwata and mr. Kimishima have stated multiple times that it will be various devices and specifically separate devices. Mr. Iwata was also never shy about his admiration for Apple and their shared OS/architecture and I belief that from all his statements in the past (such as handheld and console will be like brothers in a family of systems), NX is also to be seen as something similar, so an architecture or a shared OS across several devices. That also fits in nicely with the being able to play the same games at home or on the go and with the interchangeable cartridge rumor.

So, that could for example mean that Nvidia could be doing the handheld (keep an eye on that Hot Chips conference on the 20th where they will showcase the Tegra X2) and AMD will be doing the home console.

According to the latest rumors, the OS will be Linux-based, which would mean that it is compatible with both ARM and x86 and so porting from one system to the other would be relatively easy.

And ask yourself this: why ON EARTH would Nintendo need two separate marketing leads (one for console and one for portables/handheld) if "the" NX is going to be just one device that is both a handheld and a console?
https://nintendo.taleo.net/careersection/10000/jobdetail.ftl?job=160000004H&lang=en&src=SNS-10380
https://nintendo.taleo.net/careersection/10000/jobdetail.ftl?job=160000004G&lang=en&src=SNS-10380

And for good measure, let's throw in the most recent x86 based rumor, posted just 5 hours ago:

@ThanosReXXX Multiple form systems/form factors more likely than not but I absolutely cannot see them going for Nvidia in one and AMD in another...

@Ralizah The secrecy just makes me think that they aren't confident enough in their product to show it off without last-minute improvements. I'm just hoping they're planning a stellar game line-up that they just need to make more exciting trailers for.

If these patents prove to be reflective of the NX, it will be the first time Nintendo's gimmicks have thrown me off. I'll need something crazy like the Paper Mario partners in Mario Party to get me to dive in on this weirdness.

@-DEMISE- I know (and knew) alot of kids who loose and constatly break their things, plus kids nowadays aren't like kids back in the day :S

@Skunkfish With a Linux based OS it could certainly be done. As long as the OS is shared and the software is scalable, porting down (from console to handheld) will be relatively easy. The other way around would need some extra optimization, but would still be quite doable.

Although personally I don't see why we would want to play handheld games on the TV, so if I had to choose, only home console games on the go would be interesting for me and probably a lot of other people.

Watch the video I posted above, it's interesting news. The articles mentioned are also posted underneath the video on the YouTube page. It definitely seems to hint at there being a home console first.

@rjejr Done and dusted:
http://seekingalpha.com/article/3989164-amd-windows-opportunity-open

Scroll down to "Second Quarter Results Approach".

Why won't people listen to logic when it is staring them right in the face? (not directed at you, by the way. Just wondering)

@ThanosReXXX I was thinking more from a commercial, manufacturing and support point of view... It will be AMD or Nvidia I'm sure but AMD don't have a chip capable of going in a handheld at the moment (and I don't think DMP would be chosen again).

@Skunkfish Well, there is a way around that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCI6LgM1xDw

Scroll down to SMD64's second comment underneath the video for more info on that. It paints a picture of a Nintendo version of Sony's Remote Play. So it would be a peer to peer connection enabling you to play home console games on the go. They could make a handheld combining that with an embedded ARM chip, to also be able to play handheld specific games.

And AMD themselves have already confirmed that they have mobile tech in the works, so it actually could be possible:
https://ic.tweakimg.net/ext/i/2001196831.png
And if you look at the power demands, you'll see that they are very low and those kinds of conditions are always right up Nintendo's alley.

@ThanosReXXX That's just a blog from a trader, they've not got information we don't have.

@Skunkfish Huh? What do you mean?

@ThanosReXXX Sorry, was referring to your 'Seeking Alpha' link...

@Skunkfish That's confirmed quarterly reports info, so you can take that as fact.

@ThanosReXXX This is confirmed?
"As for second quarter results due shortly, this quarter has historically been a relatively good one for the company. In this calendar quarter AMD has won orders from Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo for semi custom chips for game consoles."

It says 'due shortly', did AMD themselves confirm anything?

Does anyone have the link to this patent?

@ThanosReXXX Hadn't seen that, Raven Ridge certainly looks interesting but I can't see it being ready for NX? Unless the handheld component will come later in the year?

@enphos Link at the bottom of the article (freepatentsonline.com)

@Skunkfish Besides the seeking alpha site, there are now multiple sites discussing the semi-custom design wins by AMD, so if so many sites report on it, you can bet official information will be coming soon. It truly does seem all but confirmed.

Really interesting that the same infra-red/camera tech will be used for both physical controller and gesture recognition..

@Skunkfish Thanks!

@ThanosReXXX I recall when AMD announced those, if I remember correctly one was for an ARM chip? And one 'beyond gaming'?

In my mind the new chip in the Xbox One-S could well be one of those though...

Did anyone else notice that the patent also calls out a GPS receiver?

@enphos Spotted. Not sure if they're just covering all options, but I seem to recall seeing another patent around mapping previously - could be linked?

@Skunkfish That is exactly what I'm thinking: console at launch, perhaps with some remote component, and a dedicated handheld later in 2017, maybe around November/December.

If that is the case, then Nvidia even has time to reveal some design wins somewhere in Q1 or Q2 of 2017, because for them to be in the game now, they should have already released the info to their shareholders, and they haven't, apparently. Or they are still under a Nintendo NDA.

Correct on the AMD chip announcements, although according to the road map I posted earlier, there doesn't seem to be any mention of ARM. But Zen can also be used in tablets and the like, and it doesn't exclude handhelds: beyond doesn't necessarily mean that it isn't also for gaming. I would interpret it as "for way more than just gaming alone".

@enphos Sounds like an evolved version of Streetpass.

@ThanosReXXX Will try to dig up the source on one of the AMD wins being ARM - don't think I imagined it!

Those hand gestures are awesome! Imagine playing Mario party! I think this is pretty close to what the NX will be. It's really late in the game that I would not anticipate much would be able to change to meet schedule. Maybe some features removed due to cost

@Skunkfish No need. I think you misunderstood me: I said you were correct and I also remember that being announced. I only happened to notice that in their latest road map there is no specific mention of ARM, although it does mention GCN which is RISC based, so could be related to ARM, which is also RISC based.

So it connects with velcro?

@LemonSlice lol maybe magnetic connection if there is no latch

@Skunkfish Also it looks like the screen will be touch, which I was worried about, give me some ease now

@ThanosReXX I did misunderstand, I think I read too quickly.

AMD have released some ARM server chips but perhaps it's no longer a focus for mobile..

@Skunkfish Something just crossed my mind:

What if all the latest patents, specifically the ones about gesture control, are connected to the whole Quality of Life concept?

I can see disabled or handicapped people controlling devices with gestures instead of having to hold devices. Who knows? I do believe that especially the most recent patents fall way outside the timescale needed to clear and implement them into a console that is going to be released in March 2017.

Wow this is so cleaver! There is a camera on the side of the unit that captures hand motions (...2678/0007) and also captures button pushes and dial rotations. With this in mind, I would hesitate to think that the controllers can work apart from being connected to the unit, like I have seen some concepts. Instead, disconnected = unusable. However really really cheap attachments can be made to play a game, could be really diverse.

Could well be QoL related, although Nintendo don't need to wait for the patents to be granted before releasing the hardware, having the patent pending will still offer some protection on their designs/concepts being imitated.

@Skunkfish No, not granted but cleared as in cleared for completion. And when that status has been reached, then additional fees have to be paid. Up til now, the ONLY NX related patent that has been cleared for completion and has also been paid for by Nintendo, is the patent concerning the SCD's.

A grant is simply a case of you offering a patent, and the patent bureau accepting it as a valid entry. That doesn't mean that it is cleared for actual usage.

@enohos Or get a 3D printed controller moulded to your exact hand size/grip

@Skunkfish Heck yes!!! Imagine the cool controller shapes users could make

@Skunkfish It also has a projector for projecting an image on the user hand?! (...1773/0074) Wow if this is the NX, how cool. I do hope that both sides have this feature, although it only looks like one side does

At this point all I want is a console that at least Nintendo themselves will support for many years with great games. Give us games or give us death. That might be a little extreme...

I'm inclined to think the AMD rumors are more likely to be true v. the Nividia rumors. Nintendo have been partners with them since the N64 (when the team was part of SGi) and Nintendo I just cannot see going over to Nividia unless it was for a handheld.

@Wexter

Possibly, but that Tegra 2 based 3DS dev/prototype board keeps springing to mind, what was the story there?

This Leadbetter article from 10th January 2015 (the day of my son's birth!) makes perhaps even more interesting reading now...

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-in-theory-nintendos-next-gen-hardware-and-the-strategy-behind-it

Best concept with the above patent
https://redd.it/4xb2qq

@Skunkfish Great article, makes me think X1, or 3rd part SoC rather than Nintendo custom chip

It will either be a console I purchase or it will not. The world will not end either way. Honestly the way I have been feeling lately, I will just go pick up a SNES, SNES clone or GBA or DS GBA hack and start collecting.

In other words, I am not going to lose sleep worrying about what the NX will or will not be.

Wait which portion of the housing will be, er...uh, the outside portion of the movable housing, on the outside of the housing is the exposed portion of the housing, portion?

@Skunkfish "Nividia unless it was for a handheld", but for the 3DS that could be just been a placeholder chip. I mean I have listened to interviews with old Rareware staffers where they would build approximates to what the console could do. It may had been the same case with the 3DS. It was a placeholder till the office chip sets were ready.

@Wexter I imagine it would take some engineering with assistance from nVidia to get it up and running, custom BIOS's written etc just to get it to boot...

@Skunkfish We do not know for what reasons a Nividia chip was used we can theorize, but at the same time the more I look at the Eurogamer rumors the more reasons I do not buy it.

Oh for God's sake Nintendo, just SAY SOMETHING. You do realize you're only shooting yourself in the foot? Gearing literally everyone up for a massive THAT'S IT?

@Wexter But whether it was ever intended for use in the final 3DS or not, they must have had substantial help from Nvidia. It's not a chip that could ever be bought off-the-shelf as it were. There was only a handful of devices that used it...

I have to admit that I'm a tiny bit excited by the AMD rumours. That might have potential. But again, it's not confirmed. No choice but to just wait for the official announcement to find out what NX truly is. Back to the Olympics for me.

@ThanosReXXX Good on ya mate. Oh man it's so crazy that we're already back to more x86 based rumors again. Anyway, I do find it odd that if Nintendo is keen to announce its new console that all the recent Patents would seem more fitting for a handheld device. Of course, the two devices could share many features between each other. At the end of the day the NX rumor mill is a much wilder ride than the Wii U ever was and hopefully that's a good thing.

This IR controller attachment patent is actually pretty ingenious!

From what I gather, the tech allows producing controllers that have minimal mechanical parts and NO electronic circuitry!! That means that producing them will be SUPER cheap.
This is accomplished by the IR light and IR camera reading the changes of positions of markers inside the controller when buttons are pressed. In addition to this, the tech allows the IR camera to read the slightest changes on the buttons press/marker movements, so it can be used to make extremely cheap pressure sensitive buttons and other analogue controllers!
Again, with minimal mechanical or moving parts and no electronic circuitry!

Remember, the patent is only for the IR tech. It doesn't say anything about the rest of the device. Even the "attachment" part of the patent is just for illustrating the tech. It remains to be seen if it's actually used in anything.

(I will update this post when I can copy/paste relevant passages from the patent)

Well if Yahoo is right the eurogamer rumor crumbled (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/amd-revenues-hit-weakness-semi-130735686.html) And now Tegra is out!

If Nintendo makes a Galaxy 3, I'm going to have to point at the screen the whole time to grab Star Bits, aren't I...?

@danidambro AMD was in at the time that Yahoo article was written (May), Nvidia was barely a suggestion at that point...

@Skunkfish It could had also been they were using it for compatibility testing with the Glassesless 3D Technology. As I said not going to rule them out for using it with a handheld, but with Nintendo's history and the design wins published by AMD just unlikely it will be for the NX Console.

@Wezter

So do you think the AMD chip would be ARM or x86?

I'm quite liking the look of this mock-up

Seems very Nintendo and will certainly set the NX apart.If the detachable controllers are just plastic shells that work with IR and can be sold cheap,the possibilities are huge.1st party games will no longer need to be designed around the main controller,the controller can be designed specifically for that game instead.

@Gerbwmu "Good news is, with only 1 version to make"

Yeah, whether it's a handheld w/ TV out or 2 different consoles, if it can play the entire Wii U catalog and the entire 3DS catalog, that is a whole lot of games. I'd say 1 a month would be doable just form Ntinedo alone.

@Captain_Gonru I was thinking of you today while I visited the loneliest place in America, the Windows phone display in the MS store.

I wonder id MS worries about how people are going to carry that big phablet (2nd from the left) around?

@ThanosReXXX "Done and dusted"

Well, that 1 is a month old, but I clicked on the 2 links on PE's vid and it looks pretty clear cut to me. Not that I believe those 100% either, b/c I don't believe anything.

Spent the day at Play Ntineod w/ my kids. Nintendo did a good job hyping up the 3DS, 7 different stations w/ playable games, and a 4 player screen for matches. (My kid won a stuffed Kirby.) No sign of the the Wii U anywhere. And not a single sign of an amiibo either - ruh roh @Captain_Gonru - just Van sneakers. And while we were there I was thinking - 3DS ain't dead yet. 2DS just got a price drop, New 3DS at $149 coming out. Still a bunch of games, notably Pokemon S&M and MH Stories still needs to come west. Yes, sales are falling, but look at Japan, it ain't dead yet. Not Wii U dead.

So, I hearkened back to a time before all the NX rumours had taken over our lives, back to a time, mere months ago, when I thought NX Home in March, NX Away for holiday 2017, and I decided I should have just stuck w/ my instincts and ignored everything else and stop being so wishy-washy. Maybe there will be a Tegra X2 next holiday w/ TV out (though I don't know how b/c Nvidia never mentioned it in their financials), but there should be a Home in March. Wii U is deader than dead, 3DS is still breathing. New 3DS XL is still $199 even, looking for that to hit $179 this holiday.

But the important thing is, I got away from all this for a day and had fun w/ my kids playing Nintendo games.

@-DEMISE- "since Bluetooth is patented and has to be licensed."

Well I know that and you know that, but everybody up top who said - "Why infared?" - which you wondered - "I'm not sure why people are getting caught up on that," - well, they just thought it should be bluetooth. I know Nintedo is cheap and woudl likely avoid bluetooth, like optic digital audio out, and no ethenret port (I almost didn't buy a Wii U b/c of the lack of those) but in 2016 infrared is still odd, people expect bluetooth.

Now I'll let you get back to your week long feud w/ gatorboi.

@TromboneGamer By now I would say x86 facts instead of rumors, at least for the home console. As far as I'm concerned the EuroGamer only has some validity left if there is indeed some deal with Nintendo and Nvidia concerning a handheld device. That is also possibly where the two different rumor camps originated from: one camp took all the rumors concerning hybrid/handheld, and the other camp only collected rumors concerning a home console. Now that the AMD financial report is all but officially confirmed we can be pretty sure that AMD will at least do the home console. And they might even be able to do the handheld as well, as the road map that I showed you proved. But I think we'll learn soon enough. At the latest end of next month.

As for the link to the older article from EuroGamer: I find it funny that this article is indeed talking quite elaborately about several devices and a shared architecture/OS, which is the polar opposite of what they are claiming now.

@rjejr Doesn't matter that it's one month old: it has by now been confirmed by a multitude of websites (been following it and also Nvidia for the larger part of the day) so it truly is confirmed that AMD has procured the semi-custom design wins for all three platforms once again.

Also too much info pointing to two separate devices, so the hybrid rumor can also go the way of the trash compactor...

Why else would they need two separate marketing leads for home console and mobile/handheld devices? The list grows bigger and the evidence stronger, my friend. Time to say goodbye to Delirio... I mean EuroGamer...

@LetsGoRetro Sorry for the late reply. You can just go to ThanosReXXX page here and scan down his comments, he's a walking encyclopedia of NX twitter and youtube conspiracy theorists.

https://www.nintendolife.com/users/ThanosReXXX/comments

If that's too much work, HappyNintneodFan is currently my favorite "too-much-caffiene" twitter source:

https://twitter.com/happy_nintendo

And Player Essence on youtube to mellow after HNF:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5t0x3X1psQ

Both of those are in the home console AMD camp. I'd say "Team" but my wife hates that saying ever since Twilight made it popular.

@rjejr Who would have thought that you could use PlayerEssence to mellow out?
Must be because all of his latest videos aren't opinion pieces. When it's facts or strong rumors, he is actually able to deliver them in a calm and concise manner.

@ThanosReXXX "so the hybrid rumor can also go the way of the trash compactor..."

Well unless the Home console is $350, the handheld is $200, so maybe they could still have a handheld w/ TV out. I know at face value a handheld w/ TV out would utterly decimate Home sales, but there could be a reason, like the handheld only doing 480p/520p out and stereo, Home 1080p and 5.1. And the handheld can only do TV out w/ 1 player, b/c for the life of me I cant figure out how to hook up 4 handheld to do splitscreen on a TV. Now of course 1 on the TV 3 others on the handheld would be possible, but that's not the same thing. So I'm not rulling out a handheld w/ TV out yet. Now maybe that wouldn't be "hybrid" but did all the rumours of a handheld w/ TV out ever say for certain there wouldn't be a home? Well maybe they did, but it's existence doesn't exclude a handheld w/ TV out for me.

@ThanosReXXX I think its the "Yo, whats up everybody" at the beginning instead of Illuminati porn music.

@rjejr If there is going to be a handheld with TV out, I would think that would be more along the lines of the Game Boy Advance Player on the GameCube, NOT a replacement of a full blown console, and as such, it will more than likely also not eat away any business from a home console.

I by now also firmly believe that console games will be ported down, but handheld games won't be ported up, so the best you could get with a TV out is the handheld versions of these games that would indeed be on lower resolutions and so on.

I also still expect there to be controllers with some handheld capabilities, so these would be the four that you could sync with the console. Think multiple form factors and so on...

And that "Illuminati porn music" is from the predecessors of the Xenoblade games, so nothing porn about it.

@Skunkfish what you said explain why the rumour was taken off from the page of nintendo enthusiast. Thanks for the update

@ThanosReXXX "predecessors of the Xenoblade games"

And how do you know the guys who made that videogame music weren't inspired to make it sound like old porn movies?

18 seconds is all it takes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atVNDwWtcjY

@rjejr By the way: PlayerEssence starts with some wonky Transformer soundbite, and if you compare greetings, there also isn't much difference, well to me at least: "Yo, everybody, what's up?" or "Hello everyone, I'm back".

The only difference is that one is a black guy and the other is not, so the words might come across differently, I don't know. I can appreciate both of them, and Happy Nintendo Fan as well.

I just like to listen to people that deliver their news or stories in a calm and normal way instead of idiots like OBE1Plays (who is fake as sh**, since he is also a regular on the Commonwealth Realm's YouTube channel (also a good one for Nintendo fans, by the way) where he talks completely normal, so his own channel is one giant act)

"18 seconds is all it takes."

18 seconds? Aw man, my condolences...

@-DEMISE- you give that obvious troll too much airtime. He's like Nintendolife's own lil slice of youtube....

@Sakura that yahoo link is old unconfirmed speculation from may dude

Old article which was not based on actual sources at all. speculation worded as a fact and it's shameful that few other sites are posting about it now. People should really check their sources before printing stuff.

The NX is a handheld. Nothing has come out since the Eurogamer article to say any different.

Maybe Nintendo will release a console down the line. Handheld will be the first release just like it always is in every generation.

@rjejr haha. Gatorboi completes me.

@WiltonRoots Yeah that's definitely true. I've just been reading his schlock for a long time and it's getting difficult to let it ride these days.

@ThanosReXXX haha why are you getting excited about an article that was printed in may and was pure speculation.

Dude there was no facts in that and what is funny is that you are actually using an unconfirmed article from may which had no actual sources to disprove the Eurogamer reveal.

Total fail! Lol

@kobashi100 Read the other stuff and be logical. No need to get snarky. I've been following news reports on AMD all day. They have secured all the semi-design wins, so it's all but certain that it is going to be AMD and that it is going to be a console. That doesn't mean that there isn't going to be any handheld at a later stage, but for now, it is pretty clear.

@kobashi100 Good job I didn't jump in with the attitude of "I know everything for sure" then, isn't it? Like I said, I'm really waiting for official news.

@rjejr - nintendo makes 20 to 30 games s year currently. They could easily produce 6-8 mainstream AAA level type games a year. Add in a Mario Sports per year, a smaller game size franchise like a Punch Out, 1 remaster or remake, and 1 new IP a year and you have a game every month just from Nintendo. Add in the yearly mini game game and decent 3rd party support and you have so many games that even the best of us would struggle to keep up.

@Sakura The best attitude to have, for sure.
But at least the AMD part seems to be pretty obvious by now. The good part for all the mobile/Nvidia supporters is that this doesn't exclude that happening at a later stage with a dedicated handheld to replace the 3DS, so it's a win-win, but apparently, EuroGamer supporters don't see it that way and only seem to want or believe in some sort of uber handheld.

@ThanosReXXX One thing all the rumours have done is to open up possiblities that I'd never have thought of. I don't mind the speculation in itself (it's interesting), though I think Nintendo really need to move on to at least announcing the reveal. I've actually enjoyed your discussion on here. I may be long in the tooth, but I still like learning new things and as I studied mainly on the Arts side, I'm needing to catch up with the science.

@MarioLazor "I see no reason for them to not go third party, what with the hardware being irrelevant."

I'd agree, but w/ Vita dieing and MS not having a handheld, well there aren't a whole lot of options.

The choice of hardware is irrelevant - K12, ARM, AMD, Polaris, X1, X2 - that's not the same thing as having hardware or not having hardware being irrelevant. You might have misunderstood me.

@Wolfenstein83 I was at the Play Nintendo tour today, and that "Play" slogan was all around, some of the staff members were wearing it on their shirt. And this 2DS poster was about 6' high.

I imagine a redesigned PRO controller that splits straight down the center. The two pieces can then clamp to each other or the edges of the NX tablet. So you're basically just inserting the tablet into the controller. Buy spares to use for local multiplayer around the HDTV, or b/c with good old Wii-U PRO controllers.

@rjejr Time for another nice mix of mellow and Illuminati porn music...

ah a modular system... i see i see... yes yes yes! mwahahahah sega is now behind the scenes pulling the strings now mwahahahha! Long Live SEGA!

Every Nintendo console can be modified. Most commonly known was the N64 Expansion Pak.
That little gizmo could plug into the Wii U controller.
THAT'S THE SECRET OF THE NX.

@NintendoFan4Lyf They're all the NX????

That's it, the NX is DOA, all I wanted was a traditional controller blah blah blah ad nauseum....

Jeez man it's rumour overload in here. It's getting as bad as Player Essence.

@-DEMISE- I see it and he's blatantly hoping someone bites, that's how he gets his thrills. I don't think normal people would waste their time being so contrary. But then again this is Nintendolife.

@WiltonRoots I don't think he's a typical straightforward troll. If I thought it were that simple I would ignore him. But he's been regularly commenting in his usual fashion on this site and several others for years. So he's either an uncommonly bitter person who just doesn't realize how toxic his behavior is, or else he's a sadistic narcissist who's love for "trolling" people compels him to spend so much time at it that might as well be his job. Either way, I think he needs to be made aware that his comments are unacceptable, and that he's not welcome here until they change for the better.

@Wolfenstein83 I know it's 2 days later, but I was looking thru my Play Ntineod pics and found 1 of that slogan, it's was prominent behind the 4 player contests.

And I do think the design could be related to the new controller. But it's Nintedno, so who knows?

@RandomBlue "Not too much longer now...or maybe not." What does that mean?
Nintendo isn't trying to sell you anything yet, that's why NX has not been revealed. They will be selling you something when they tell you. Patience bud!

@NintendoFan4Lyf I know I was just messing - people could make enough clickbait to keep a site going for quite a while with those patents!

I said before on here - they're a company that's constantly brainstorming - and if anything they do makes sense or sounds like a good idea even if it comes to nothing, they patent it. It also prevents other people jumping the gun and launching something similar.

@arrmixer basically how I feel too, I need Nintendo to say something and show something, until then I can't believe anything said so far. This might be the first gen I actually buy a Nintendo console and another console just to get third party games though, depending on if the NX gets the third party back or not.

@hYdeks
I was hoping for third party games when I bought the Wii u when it came out but now I have my sights on a PS4 Neo.
Honestly not sure what I'm going to do gaming wise at this point. I can easily see myself just waiting it out until next March. Eventhough My backlog is long, I just don't see myself actually going back to play all of them at this point.

@rjejr Thank you!