
Bethesda isn't readily associated with Nintendo hardware - it's a widely admired developer and publisher that's devoted its efforts to Sony / Microsoft hardware in addition to PC. Yet whenever new Nintendo hardware is around the corner there's naturally the question over whether third-parties like this - with little history on big N platforms - will dive in to a new generation.
Finder.com.au took the chance at Quakecon to ask Pete Hines - Vice President of Bethesda Softworks - about the NX and his company's games. He was diplomatic in his answer.
We talk to Nintendo all the time – we're pretty well briefed in on what they are doing. It's definitely something we will look at; and our philosophy is that we will put our games out on any format that supports the games as we envisage and make them. If the NX fits that from a technical standpoint, and fits the game that a developer in our stable is making, I don't see why we would not put it out on NX. But it's too early to say, 'we'll definitely be putting games out or not.' Like with mobile, we want to have the right fit for the right formats.
We would recommend some caution in any overly positive reaction to this. Hines was similarly diplomatic back in September 2011 when asked about games like Skyrim on Wii U.
It's definitely a possibility for the future. We'll look at any platform that will support that games we're trying to make, but that's the key thing - the console has to support the game as it is designed.
Much will likely depend on how easy NX is to work with, in addition to third-parties judging whether they're likely to make any profit from releases on the platform. There's talk of familiar companies like Ubisoft (which has confirmed Just Dance 2017), Activision and Warner Bros. bringing some content to NX, but we won't know the scale of real support for the system until it arrives in stores and settles in the market.
In any case, getting some Bethesda content on NX would be a big boost, but don't hold your breath just yet.
Thanks to all that sent this in.
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One guess is they're waiting on the specs. Would love to see their games on the system though.
Fallout NX confirmed!
"and our philosophy is that we will put our games out on any format that supports the games as we envisage and make them."
a.k.a. it better not have that X1 chip.
BTW Doom is one of the best games I've played this year, hands down.
"Its too early to say"
6 months out is too early to say, so that is a No...
"but we won't know the scale of real support for the system until it arrives in stores and settles in the market."
Or at least gets announced, preferably along with some games.
Hopefully we see some Bethesda games specifically tailored for the NX. One thing I actually would prefer not to see is multiplatform games (I.e. PS4 and XB1 games without any real changes) on the system as straight ports. If the NX is going to be a new way of merging portable and home consoles, I'd rather see developers invest time into the NX. Hopefully it gains a massive install base early on to make it appealing for them to do so.
It's all a "wait and see" strategy. And really, from a business standpoint, who can blame them? It's one thing for the NX to be capable of handling anything current without any scale backs. But also, the audience for that particular 3rd party game is just as important.
Third party's are not trying throw games out on the NX just for the sake of variety. They want what is capable as well as the dedicated audience that's already established on PC, PS4, and Xbox One. They will simply go where the demand is...
Nintendo.. please sign them up and get an exclusive version of Doom up on the console! Doom 64 was amazing.. we need Doom NX!! I'd so buy the NX in a heartbeat!
When has Bethesda EVER supported Nintendo?
@KIREEK Bethesda will not do this. They are primarily a PC developer and usually the console ports of their games are inferior with worse graphics and optimization. They develop for PC.
I would love some ports from Bethesda to Nonyendo hardware, but don't expect a special treatment, expect a slightly inferior package to their PC offering just like PS4 and Xbox One have been getting, or worse if NX is much weaker than them
It should be noted that Doom 3 BFG already runs on Tegra hardware, so if the Eurogamer rumors are true, the tech specs should not be preventing Bethesda from developing NX games. Nintendo's marketing and branding likely will.
@secret333 That's not true.
Elder Scrolls Online is amazing on PS4!
I also played Skyrim on the XBOX360 back then and enjoyed it more than on PC, as it worked great with the Controller, relaxing on sofa playing on big TV.
It's all about economics. Why spend the extra cash on developing for an underperforming platform that won't pay back the Investment required to port it to.
After the WiiU I cannot blame Third parties for a wait and see approach.
They simply want to see how well the NX is going to perform, before commiting resources to it.
And trust me, all major publishers know the specs of the NX by now.
@secret333 Oh yeah, completely agreed on the not expecting special treatment part. You're exactly spot on about Bethesda games being created with PC in mind. It's why I don't mind so much if we don't see any of their titles on the NX. If the hardware is going to make the NX versions vastly inferior experiences to their console/pc counterparts, I'm OK with their absence on the NX.
Would just be a really pleasant surprise if they created something special for the NX IMO (though very, very unlikely).
I think doom and elder scrolls could sell quite well on a Nintendo platform if the user base is there.
Not so sure about fall out and a dishonored title would flop hard.
I have my doubts that they'll support NX. I can't even imagine them making/porting a game to utilize Nintendo unique/gimmicky controls .
I am going to say this right now Bethesda is a full of crap. Don't listen to them they are lying. Bethesda logic is that we won't make any games if you don't have a built in hard drive. Proof Skyrim on ps3. Skyrim on the ps3 was unplayable compare the other versions. No hard drive = no Bethesda support. Bethesda release unfinish games and buggy games. Xenoblade X looks better the fallout 4. Fallout 4 can run on the wii u even 1080p 30 fps like the xbox one and ps4. Bethesda support the nx is laughable.
Please please please please please.......did I mention please.
P.S. please
Bethesda sucks. Nintendo gamers Bethesda is not making any games on any nintendo console
Translation:
@therealgamer LOL! You do know that ALL games get installed on XBOne and PS4, before you can even start playing right? It's a hard requirement!
That's why they come with minimum 500GB hard disk and why I upgraded mine to 1 TB disc right away when I got the PS4, as I ran quickly out of space.
Hell, back with the XBOX360 I installed ALL my games to harddrive, as pretty much any game with decent Graphics ran like crap from disc, with horrible loading times. Not to mention the fighter jet sound that came out of the disc player if you ran from disc!
I question if Bethesda really makes games that fit on Nintendo platforms.
And I don't mean in technical sense.
Frankly, it's unfair to expect a third party developer to pledge their support for a system before they even know for sure what it is and how successful it will be.
It's in Nintendo's court to prove to third parties that their system is worth supporting, not the other way around.
At least we're not getting promises about "unprecedented support" that they inevitably won't make good on.
@faint Fallout is one of those games that does really well in general. If Doom and Elder Scrolls can sell on a Nintendo console, so can Fallout. Just the sheer popularity of the franchise is bound to guarantee some decent sales.
I doubt they talk to Nintendo all of the time as they've only put their name on a couple shovelware titles for the Wii that they didn't develop. Bethesda has detracted Nintendo publicly many times, so allow me to do the same to them. Their good games are few and far between the horrible titles they spew out.
Sigh, when are some gamers going to learn, you buy Nintendo systems for Nintendo games. Period. Anything else is a bonus.
If you want to play 3rd party games, build a gaming PC and get the best experience or if you're desperate buy a PS4 or Xbox.
That translates to "no". Nothing new, I guess.
Developing costs for Bethseda must be over the roof why now, so porting to a console with a small amount of users isn't convenient from any point of view.
Though, this makes me wonder... Will they know the NX specs? Or are in the dark just like the rest of us poor mortals?
The NX is about 7 months away from launch and Bethesda say they haven't ruled out supporting it but it's too early to say? To me that's a big fat NO! It takes at least 6 months to port a game and it sounds like they're taking a wait and see approach, so if a game ever comes from them then it could be a year into the life of the NX before they'd have a game ready. And again, I don't think they're impressed by the hardware but if the NX sells like gangbusters then they'll cobble some port together.
@Octane I understand that. I was thinking more about how well fps titles sell on Nintendo hardware. Doom at lest has horror crossover potential.
@TruenoGT you know I think you're on to something. The vc would be a great way for them to get their feet wet assuming licensing is a non issue.
@RCMADIAX I would bet you cash money we get at least one core Ubisoft title and a port of re revelations 2 that skipped the wiiu.
I have a feeling that if you like games by Bethesda, you own a system that can play them. The games they make don't really play to the sensibilities of Nintendo's audience, I think. And if you're a Nintendo fan that likes Fallout, Skyrim, Doom, etc... you probably own a PS4/XBONE/PC also. So what would Bethesda's incentive be to put games on the NX?
@moomoo Nintendo pays for the port. I think we will see more of that this console cycle. Not necessarily with this developer but with other western developers
Bethesda are the least likely 3rd party - Japanese or western - to ever support Nintendo.
Valve is more likely to support the NX, and they don't even make games anymore!
" If the NX fits that from a technical standpoint, "
That would be a no then...
@gatorboi352 yes. That's why I'm leaning toward a ps4 instead of an nx.
@IceClimbers I agree with you tho I do see potential in elder scrolls on the system. Not that they will do it but I think it would sell relatively well on a Nintendo console with a firm user base.
Tbh Fallout 4 could've easily run on the Wii U. I don't see Bethesda releasing their games on Nintendo consoles anytime soon.
@faint I agree. I think Elder Scrolls and Doom could do quite well on a Nintendo system so long as they are uncompromised ports that are on time.
As it stands though, I don't see any of Bethesda's games coming to the NX unless they plan on porting Fallout Shelter.
They always talk every time all the time, but if it's not Microsoft platform, there will be more issues than usual.
They say that only to not burn the bridges behind like some did. If NX will prove successful and rumour about it's power comparable to x1 turns out true, then maybe they will bother.
With the lack of doom 64 on virtual console, this is a big no ! (Unless doom 2016 is released for nx then well talk)
Even if they brought a few games, people would find a reason to blast/ignore it and skip it, then support would be withdrawn anyways.
Show me the exclusives! Multiplats I can play on 2 other systems I own. Show. Me. The exclusives.
These are the companies most likely to support NX:
-Namco Bandai
-Capcom
-Sega/Atlus
-Square Enix
-Koei Tecmo
-Level 5
-Ubisoft
-Activision
-Warner Bros.
Don't expect much beyond that.
I think Namco Bandai in particular will be a very important partner for Nintendo over the coming years.
Translation: "Thanks, but no thanks."
All I have learned from this Article is that we are getting a Skyrim for WiiU. Its about time
I SO want to see Skyrim ported on the NX! I KNOW it can fit! If the PS3 can do it and chug by, then CERTAINLY the NX can!
@IceClimbers if it is indeed a portable hybrid I think you can add xseed, square enix, and a few others to the list.
If the NX sells well, you'll see Bethesda stop being so pretentious and making a game for the system despite the specs.
@Billsama
Is it pretentious to want to make money on your product?
@SanderEvers true, but if it is handheld, it will not be ps4 or xbone like in power 😢😢😢
Bethesda games on a Nintendo platform would be quality.
Man it would be great to have Fallout on Nintendo but that is but a nice dream. Anyways I haven't seem them work on anything for Wii U so lets see if that changes with NX.
Bethesda games belong on PC, everything else is an inferior port. Not the console's fault, mind you. I'd rather not see them on the NX just to stop the future cry's of "Inferior" later on down the line.
@Thegentleman yes doom 64 is the best old school doom version in my eyes... the sound track was perfect too. So scary with the crying babies.
@Jeronan um not sure what you are saying. ESO online has worse graphics on PS4 and lower framerates. You can still enjoy but it's technically a slightly inferior experience. Same with the Xbox 360 version of Skyrim. There is no way you can say the 360 version was better than the PC version. It has such atrociously long loading times, muddy textures and no mod support. The PC version can be played with a controller and even on a TV if you really wanted to.
I dont care
@gatorboi352 I loved new DooM as well and i had high expectations because i played the original back in high school. If that came to NX and the fallout games.. portable?! Holy poo.. NX would sell like hotcakes!
People jumping to the theory horsepower is the number 1 criteria.
The main criteria is wether they feel Nintendo gamers will buy the kind of games they put out.
This is why Nintendo should have been making the library more diverse years ago. You need to get Nintendo gamers use to buying these kind of games.
News about a company deciding things? Let me know when they actually give a crap.
if nx is running on x2 chip then we would get more support from 3rd party devs crosses fingers
"and our philosophy is that we will put our games out on any format that supports the games as we envisage and make them"
Basically saying that if they have to stick a fraction of work into porting to a console, they won't do it. So if the NX isn't 95% similar to Playstation or Xbox, we won't be seeing it. I also doubt they're fixing too many bugs on SkyrimHD.
Yea, I don't ever see this happening unless Nintendo decided to appeal more to the hardcore market again, and the NX is as powerful as the xbox one and ps4, and at this point with the rumours, I really doubt it.
I think if we are lucky, the NX will get as much support as the Wii did and same style of third party games , but if your looking for hardcore games like Doom and fallout, your looking for Sony and Microsoft, not Nintendo.
@shaneoh yup, you basically got it! And if the system is powerful and appeals to more casual gaming experiences, you probably won't see anything either.
That's basically the nicest way of saying "no" without actually saying "no". When has Bethesda ever released on a Nintendo platform? They likely aren't gonna change any time soon especially considering they don't have a built in fanbase on the platform.
@SanderEvers At least it runs at all, that is what I was referring too. The Wii U is more powerful than the 360 and PS3 so there's no doubt in my mind that they could've released Skyrim on it if they wanted to.
@ningeek185 Yeah, and it would have pushed a few million more Wii U's, too.
Looking at the article again, the whole line of "Yeah, we talk to them all the time!" sounds more like horse manure to me. Like, when you talk to Person A and they say that they talk to Person B "all the time", but doesn't even know where they live or work.
It's basically up to Nintendo to make a strong consle for features and graphics and some crazy blood ritual you can basically guess at this point, which can make third parties like Bethesda care. But at the same make the third parties like Bethesda not make ports like Mass Effect 3 on the WiiU with missing features and Sniper Elite V2 cutting out online and co-op mode (FULL PRICE!!) while the Xbox and Playstation get the Mass effect trilogy with all the features intact. (discount price) [I'm not directly asking for a all consoles to get 60 frames per second requirement just not get shortchanged on features] and to make US the customers go on the stores to buy them en masse so this can make nintendo happy and make the third parties happy so they can make more.
Nintendo, Third parties, Us. The full circle.
Easier said than done.
With Minecraft, Minecraft Tales and Freedom Planet at the eShop charts one of which is topping the charts (and apparently still is) there can be light at the end of the tunnel.
You'd think after so many generations of not getting support from publishers, fans would've realized that they should buy the few offerings from those publishers if they want to see more from them. Yes, power is a factor, but nobody wants to take the blame for not supporting third-parties on Nintendo devices. Of course, there could be more in play, but as fans, all we can (and should) do is whenever a third-party multi-platform game from a large publisher comes to NX, maybe we can buy it. You can scream "but we'll get it cheaper/better/with more DLC somewhere else," but the bottom line is that we aren't helping by complaining about third-parties and not supporting them whenever they do finally show support. While they can be incessantly annoying, they still remain relevant, and not buying a multiplatform game for a Nintendo system is just you saying that you don't want them there.
@IronMan28 It's ultimately Nintendo's fault. They have much more money than they're willing to spend, if they spent some of that on improving developer relations and making exclusive contracts then I can assure you the games would've been better and we'd probably be seeing third party support for the Wii U even at times like this. Nintendo has basically given up and has no idea what to do. They're so out of touch it's ridiculous.
The odds of it being powerful to support the kinds of games Bethesda is making and/or going to make at the level of graphical quality they are making them is slim.
grain of melted salt (salt water I guess), hot air, bs, nothing worth listening to. Basically, if they cared, or thought it was a good idea they would have signed on by now. So either they have something and are being super secret, or they are just fanning farts in the wind.
@KIREEK Bethesda clearly said they are only developing for NX if it can support the games "as they are designed". So it has no interest in making changes to the game to suit the NX platform, only if a PS4/XboxOne version can be straight ported.
@moomoo If the NX sells enough units, there will be a certain amount of NX owners who would buy a Bethesda game, depending on the game. So, if the cost of porting that game to NX is low enough that the NX owners will make Bethesda money, then it makes good business sense to port it.
@Fbigabig
Apparently you cared enough to reply!
This would be good, but A) Nintendo themselves have to give the developers a platform that they can make the games they want to make. And B) Nintendo has to make their very own FPS/Action game, to show 3rd Parties that there is an audience who are willing to buy these games.
The Pip Boy on the Wii U GamePad would have been so amazing... Like, I'm serious, it would be absolutely incredible. I've only played Fallout: New Vegas (which I love), but I won't deny that, cool as the Pip Boy is, it's a little clunky to operate with keyboard and mouse. I kinda doubt we'll ever see a Fallout game on any Nintendo console in the near future, but it's a damn shame because Pip Boy + touch screen would be a match made in heaven.
"We talk to Nintendo all the time", we just don't release anything for them.
All go check out PlayerEssance video on this,and you will come to the conclusion that other than usual 3RD party nintendo gets as always yet again these's big AAA 3RD party talks,a load of crap and plays ring around roses with Use nintendo Fans.
I bet it's Nintendo asking them for Fallout Shelter, maybe a last gen port like Skyrim at best. Highly unlikely Bethesda is willing to port anything current gen to NX, even if the GPU is all that the CPU is still ARM.
Well at least they're being honest about it. Waiting for the system's specifications and/or popularity to be known before making promises. Better than a certain rabbid-infested company
'We talk to Nintendo all the time'.
Nintendo:
'Will you develop for our console?'
Bethesda:
'No'.
Besides, Bethesda games are trumped up crap marketed by corrupt videogame websites. Cough IGN...
No 3rd party support again?
So, N, do not expect I'll buy NX earlier than you release (not announce) new Zelda game (not BotW).
I'll take Bethesda's lack of support any day as long as we don't get to see the smackable, smug grin on Hines' face as the image for the inevitable "Bethesda won't support NX" article. Please, NintendoLife, that's all I ask.
@Captain_Toad
The video's thumbnail kind of gave away the joke, and yet I'm still laughing nonetheless.
We talk to Nintendk all the time = Christmas cards
@DarkKirby Software sells the hardware. Bethesda is a developer/ publisher that can choose to put their weight behind hardware and help make it successful. They can purchase development kits already.
What I would say isn't fair is a company being vague about whether or not they will support a console. Say no early and set expectations. Right now it sounds like they are afraid that NX might be the future of the industry and they don't know how they are going to transition.
I honestly hope they don't. I would like one console to place game design before immersion. Bethesda has been great at making audio visual experiences that are otherwise flawed from both a design and coding perspective. Bethesda and Crytek can stick to high-end gaming. VR at 4k with 120 FPS doesn't leave any room for a developer to think about design and interactivity.
Nintendo consoles require developers to know how to design a game, but they don't require devs to invest their entire budget in asset creation. Capcom's Deep Down is the smoke alarm. The industry is about to split into two. You can't make an Elder Scrolls on a Monster Hunter budget, but when it comes to profit why would you?
Too early... NX launches in March 2017. Whatever.
I doubt the Tegra infrastructure will be able to run a (frankly amazing) DOOM 4 'castrated version', and the same for all the other titles.
I can see third parties skipping again NX if the latter won't sell like hot cakes
@cleveland124 No idea how you got that from my comment. You might want to read it again.
I'm very disappointed that my favourite non-nintendo ip:s NHL, Civilization, Worms & Doom doesn't exist on Wii U or 3DS. Please nintendon't do the same mistakes on NX. (I have NHL Slapshot and Worms Battle Islands for Wii + Civilization Revolution for DS)
The order of the companies is wrong, they still obviously put Xbox, PC first then Sony. Though thanks to the PS4 being more powerful than xbox one the difference isn't like night and day like fallout was last gen.
Love the games though.
@Dislikesfats While Nintendo should do its best to get content on its systems, whenever it does you see fans complaining about lack of features, price, etc. Once the content is available, not purchasing it there only shows third-parties (and Nintendo) that you don't want the content on Nintendo devices. Yes, we do share some of the blame.
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