It's been an interesting week with the Nintendo NX, with Eurogamer firing the starting gun on a substantial set of details that appear to reflect the reality of the system's form factor. As we mentioned in our initial reaction editorial and again in today's musings on the Nvidia involvement in the project, we've consulted multiple sources of our own - in addition to Eurogamer's team - and the profile of NX seems rather solid. Many of the fundamental claims made in Eurogamer's article appear as watertight as they can be at this stage, and we're not the only publication drawing similar conclusions.
You can check out a breakdown of the details here if you need a catch-up, but an intriguing aspect of the system as a portable is that it has the potential to deliver more than 'dedicated' system gaming. Assuming the reports of a tablet form-factor with detachable control sections are indeed on the money, that gives us the prospect of a tablet-style screen well-suited to delivering smart device games. In our own reaction article this writer suggested 'Pokemon GO X, anyone?' in a semi-serious manner. Commercially, that's the sort of offering that would be ideal in advertising an intriguing new device with multiple forms and play possibilities.
The Wall Street Journal's Takashi Mochizuki, often near the front of the line in getting interesting details from in and around Nintendo, has written that "a person familiar with the matter said NX would be a handheld-console hybrid that would be compatible with its own smartphone games". The original article is behind a paywall but the likes of US Gamer and Dr. Serkan Toto have referenced the line.
It's an interesting prospect, even if the NX connects and interacts with smart device titles rather than running them directly. That said, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that the likes of Niantic's Pokemon GO and upcoming Nintendo DeNA releases like Animal Crossing and Fire Emblem could be playable on the next-gen portable / home system. There's plenty of logic to why this would be a good idea, especially if the NX handheld could offer enhanced versions of popular smart device apps.
It's another interesting angle to the growing momentum around NX reports. It seems like we're getting some insight into Nintendo's next move in the console and portable space, and it's unlikely to be conventional or follow the crowd.
[source wsj.com]
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These rumors are so absurd, just give me a Nintendo Direct with the NX and I'll be satisfied, thank you...
Honestly, as soon as I saw the "powered by Tegra X1" rumor, I assumed this would be the case. The Tegra X1 is a mobile chipset that powers a device that runs mobile games.
I surely hope it can.
The more this device can do the better.
Sounds like the best mobile device ever created. Large screen size like a tablet with serious horsepower, plays mobile games also, docks to TV, detachable controllers in case you wanna prop it on a table like a tablet and play for more relaxed portable gaming...
I'm really happy hearing this stuff. There is one inherent downside, and that is the implication we will no longer have separate handhelds and consoles, although from my perspective that's an upside. I've been waiting so long to have console quality games on the go. And handheld games (like Monster Hunter) on the TV.
@JaxonH Same
I mean no disrespect to Dr. Serkan Toto. He's a very reliable source.
@JaxonH how about the the fact that if it is like a tablet then it isn't really a handheld machine.
Keep saying this but if it doesn't fit in my pocket then sorry this isn't s handheld machine. If I need to take a bag with me every time I want to play it on my travels then yep it isnt a handheld.
How big do people expect this machine to be. 7 inches, 6 inches.
Just imagine yourself now carrying an iPad mini with detachable controllers as you get on the bus or train to work.
Tell me if that sounds like a handheld machine.
Nintendo has said in the past that the Animal Crossing mobile game connects with the main series games in some way. Maybe the mobile game has enough content to be standalone, but the NX will have the "Pro version", which has everything.
I wonder if we can play Fire Emblem or Animal Crossing mobile version on NX. And one thing, those two games are really complex game. Tons of secrets, hidden things, surprises, trivias, like from hybriding rare flower, getting specific villagers, time travel, scan qr codes for pattern, creating town tunes, etc. For a new player, they might get overwhelmed by so many features and hidden things that they have never knew before. So, this is make me wonder about Animal Crossing mobile version. Will that game still got same structure as the predecessors ?
Milk it, Nintendo Life. Milk that rumor cow AND its eventual calf. Milk them ALL dry.
I don't understand why nintendo doesn't want to say anything regarding a console that supposedly will be hitting the markets in about 7 months from now, that's about 200 days!
There must be a strong reason for this secrecy. I am certain there is more to the NX than what all these rumors and news reports suggest.
@A01 don't worry, it's not going to fail.
The question we want to know:
Can we play Pokemon Go on the TV?
Nintendo will no doubt add features to the NX to enhance the Pokemon Go game. Amiibo support, backing up with a Pokebank on the NX?
@PtM It's highly possible that NX won't have 3G nor GPS, so no Pokémon Go.
@A01 Nintendo will never go fully mobile. They'd rather go Third Party on other consoles and PC.
"a person familiar with the matter" @BLPs is going to be thrilled.
If they do port Pokemon Go that means a camera on the rear of the device for AR and whatever that expensive sensor is that most cheap Android phones like the 3 in my household don't have. Don't port an AR game that doens't do AR.
@AlternateButtons No one ever replies to my comments, so I try and make funny comments. I worked, trying to think of a funny comment to go with these NX articles. This was the 1st comment I made a comment about the rumors. Ths isn't the type of reply I was looking forward to. I'm so sorry. I guess I can't make people laugh, even on this website. Again, I'm sorry. I'll refrain from commenting further.
I know It makes me seem older than I am (or at least feel older than I am), and I'm well aware of its popularity, but boy do I hate mobile games. Talk of the NX and Mobile gaming (not portable handhelds, but mobile) makes me real nervous.
We've known this for quite a while now, how is this news?
@Captain_Gonru
Considering that people buy Nintendo's handhelds just for Pokemon, yeah they're not going to be going mobile any time soon. That's without mentioning the "limited financial success" that Pokemon Go has had. (Just FYI, I'm agreeing with you).
These Nintendo "games" for Mobile are nothing but teasers to tempt people into buying their handhelds. I think it's working, I can't recall Pokemon being mentioned so frequently since it first came out, people are hooked.
@AlternateButtons Thanks. I know what you mean about Gamexplain. Those comments are ruthless.
maybe with their first party stuff, like Miitomo, but... for something like Pokemon Go, there'd need to be long-distance internet connection, and location data. And I do not trust Nintendo enough to pay for a data plan.
@Captain_Gonru
I agree, having a mobile and handheld game connect on some level is a good idea. I wouldn't have minded a streetpass app for my phone so that I didn't have to walk everywhere with my 3DS on.
@Captain_Gonru Yeah, Go needs a lot of stuff to run. It can run on Wi-Fi, my kids played this afternoon at the library while I was taking out the Scooby Doo & Kiss movie (it's basically a 79 minute version of Night Begins to Shine) and it works fine. You do need GPS, but if they make a tablet it will have GPS. And WiFi. Cellular is an issue. I don't think they'll do cellular, it's an added expense for parents, but it could. But I doubt it. Maybe a "sim" slot for adults who want a cellular data plan? I really dont' know how that stuff works.
I do still think a $79 tablet though to replace the 2DS. It may not play Go, but it could play Pokemon Shuffle and Rumble and the like. Heck, just buy the $50 Fire from Amazon and throw a picture of Mario on it w/ Miitomo. Some garbage for kids ages 5-7 who are going to Play Nintendo where the Wii U is verboten.
http://www.nintendo.com/whatsnew/detail/play-nintendo-tour-brings-family-fun-this-summer
Man, I keep getting down to 100 emails, go away for a bit, and come back to a dozen more. It's going to be literally insane around here when Nintnedo deems us worthy.
If I ever get Night Begins to Shine out of my head I'm making that my avatar.
Nintendo is going to have to amaze me at this point to get me to shell out another penny. All of this talk of Tegra X1 and crossing over with mobile games just doesn't sit well with me. At best the Tegra X1 will be just a little bit less powerful than XB1 and I know power isn't everything but by god if I'm spending $399 or more it better be at least comparable to current gen hardware even if you're being innovative.
I know I'm jumping the gun here but every "rumor" I hear gets me less and less excited for the NX. My opinion of Nintendo has steadily declined since the Wii. Its kind of like my ex wife, I thought she was the best thing ever until she screwed me over too many times to count. Now all that's left is bitterness and a sick urge to see her fail at everything.
Can it stream episodes of the Zelda TV show?
@MetaRyan I truly hope they don't ruin the game with microtransactions.
@A01 A wild Nintendoomed idiot appeared!
I don't think they'll abandon their development style for quick, generic, F2P, mobile games. As an entertainment company it doesn't suit them. Out of the big 3 they are the only one that shows more interested in people's lives than their attention; Generation Touch games, Art Academy, Wii Fit, 3DS play coins from walking, QoL.
I also think they see things in the long term; it's not long before consoles cross PC territory. It seems to me Microsoft is already crossing that line.
Mobile processors are catching up, quick. 5yrs have had more effect in mobile computing when compared to the more traditional computing.
Depending on how this thing is received it could potentially turn the indistry on its head.
"Look at all these rumors. They're crowding me everyday. I just need some time. Some time to get away."
Not sure they were working on Pokemon Go crossover before, but I bet they are now!
Wow, WSJ actually uses the 'H' word. Must be a lot of people around here feeling the burn about this currently.
All hail the hybrid!
@yannah21
Hey man, don't worry, people just tend to respond to controversial comments vs reasonable ones. Don't stop commenting, your opinions are just as valid as anyone else's!
@A01 You must be loaded. With ALL Nintendo devs making games for the NX (it isn't split between 2 consoles anymore) I can't afford third party games lol.
Sigh, The WallStreet journal also reported the NX to use 'industry leading chips' and that a demo needed a maxed out PC to be able to run it. Something smells fishy...
Man, it's weird to think that the NX may just be a Shield tablet with bells and whistles.
That could mean Fire Emblem returning to home console... You have my attention.
An interesting rumor, but if it is true then I'm just hoping that Nintendo won't be trying to sell us a data plan for the NX. I'll buy the system but there's no way I'm getting roped into paying a monthly data plan bill for it.
I just wanted the SNES 2, instead we're getting the Wii U 2:/
@kobashi100
I hear you. And Idk, we'll have to see how big it is. I like pocket size too but, I'll take a Wii U gamepad sized handheld if it means console level of power and games like Breath of the Wild on the go.
Heck ya. And maybe they have multiple form factors too. Idk.
It would make sense, but Nintendo never makes sense!
Tegra X2 or it's already dead
@JaxonH "Large screen size", "we'll have to see how big it is"
It's kind of funny how this thing has snowballed hasn't it? A few rumours that are maybe more like leaks that metamorphosis into facts and now everybody has a picture of this thing in their head, only everybody's picture is different.
I put 3 photos in another thread, the one about mods, showing some variety. And Nintendo is very good at handheld variety, all those Gameboy designs and DS and 3DS and 2DS, and the Gamepad. And controllers from the N64 pitchfork to the basic NES. Even tablets have variety. The 4" iPad Touch is still a popular choice for kids, with the 12" Surface Pad Tablet for business professionals. And one thing Nintendo has been consistent with for all ithe touchscreens is 1 touch only, but most mobile games today work with multitouch b/c that's what most tablets have today. Will be interesting to see in Nintendo new tablet finally embraces that feature.
So what we sort of know is a tablet, which can be from say 4"-12", some type of controllers that will presumably have buttons, but it could be thumbs ticks or joysticks or only D-pads, and they'll attach and detach. That still leaves a lot to the imagination. One hopeful sign, when it launched there was an official pouch for the 2DS, so maybe NX will come with one for the detachable parts so it's easier to transport?
Nobody has mentioned hap tic feedback in a couple of days, who knows, maybe we won't need real buttons anymore?
@yannah21 Hey, if it helps, I did laugh a little. It's just a tired type of comment. People seriously comment about Nintendo Life running multiple stories on facets of big news as if it's too much for them yet the comment sections light up like wildfire on each one. Then, when a story is lightweight: "Slow news day, eh, NintendoLife?"
It's kinda like my vacation closer to the equator recently. Every day, when I'd walk outside, I'd exclaim, "Wooo, It's hot!" as if it was going to be a surprise to someone.
At least you added a humorous mental picture to it!
@Captain_Gonru "So what if all this tablet stuff is all just the Away?"
I still think that "cuold be" the case. Just wrote it to Thanos, hope you don't mind the copy and paste.
Though I still think the Home could be separate from the tablet handheld. The tablet - no controls, just screen, and the handheld - buttons and joysticks - could very well be the same device, and THAT's the hybrid, a hybrid tablet-handheld, but the NX Home could be a separate device, bringing us back to 2nd screen smartglass. That could be 1 alternate interpretation of all of these "leaks".
"It makes those rumors about "industry leading chips" still applicable to the Home."
Well Tegra X2 is an "industry leading chip", b/c it hasn't even been unveiled yet, can't get much more "leading" than a secret chip. It gets unveiled next month at some chip convention.
http://liliputing.com/2016/07/nvidia-unveil-tegra-next-chip-details-august.html
Maybe they announce NX there as well? Coincides w/ some of the "End of August" rumblings.
@rjejr
I've been thinking multitouch this time, but I'm not sure. There are many, many questions left. GPS is a big one. The mobile angle is another.
I'm beginning to lean towards less mobile compatibility, honestly. You can't even play miitomo if you're a kid. And GPS is usually tied to cellular data. We get GPS info for our wifi device by logging into the hotspot of a smart phone that does have GPS I think, but you can't sell a gaming device with the hopes that people will do that.
Earlier I was saying that a portable NX should have every feature of a smart phone it can fit in (we were talking fitness and heart rate monitors), but now with this ambitious dual purpose device, I'm not so sure. Somethings gotta give, and keeping mobile separate for the time being might be okay. Haven't thought it completely through though.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE I've noticed you posting "end of August" a few times around here lately for an NX reveal, any correlation to this?
http://liliputing.com/2016/07/nvidia-unveil-tegra-next-chip-details-august.html
Seems like a nice place for an NX reveal, if any of this is true. And if NX is using X2, well Nvidia can't not mention it there as that would be a big deal for them.
@rjejr
Nice catch on the reveal of the Tegra successor (X2). Man, that seems so possible to pull off in time for March and the timing seems nice for Nintendo and a good reason to wait for the unveil. If this chip is all that then it could be a key part of the NX reveal. I mean... as I saw someone point out elsewhere: (N)vidia (X)2, right?
@aaronsullivan "I'm not so sure. "
You keep throwing up ideas, I'll keep shooting them down. It's what I do.
I've had many tablets w/ GPS functionality w/o ever using a data plan, Long Island and NYC is fairly well covered. And if they put a GPS tracker in it Ntineod could sell it to parents as a "Guardian angel" or some such. I see GPS as a given, even if it's only fake WiFi GPS, but even real GPS chips must be cheap these days.
I'm still marginally undecided on a "sim slot" for a data plan, 80% no. I can't really imagine 1 built in, Nintnedo won't foot the bill. Though, hmm, though, PS+ is required for PS4 online, maybe "Nintnedo Data" is optional for online for NX when out of WiFi range? hmm
Cameras? Front and back? 3DS has them so I guess. Any 3D? I'm 100% against, that fad has passed.
Details details.
@aaronsullivan "(N)vidia (X)2, right"
That was me. OK, maybe you saw somebody elses, but yeah I did post NX could stand for Nvidia X, or really Nintendo and the X chip. X1 at the time long ago or X2 now. Somebody else did post that Chipset conference before me though, probably Thanos, but maybe somebody else, but that one wasn't me, I just sort of ran w/ it. Sligeach was the only one I saw who seemed sure about August though, mentioning August a couple of times, so I put those 2 together.
@aaronsullivan Thank, Dude. I know what you mean. The community either belives it's a slow news day, or there's too much news. It gets frustrating a times.
@rjejr
A lot is left to the imagination, but it's slowly coming together. I think for sure if it's like a tablet it'll have a large screen size. How large? Who knows. But I'm thinking around the size of Wii U gamepad, give or take. Large relative to traditional Nintendo handheld screen size. Normal size relative to mini tablets or Wii U gamepad.
I think it'll be just like a gamepad, ergonomic and playable as a "handheld" device, but I think it may prop up on a stand like tablets, and that's why it has detachable controllers. So you can prop it up and play without toting a pro controller around with you. Speaking of which, I do think they'll sell a pro controller for home TV "console" play.
I think they'll formally announce these games along with the NX sometime in the next two months, and advertise their cross-functionality (along with their respective games, perhaps). Regarding the NX, I don't want to personally believe it's a tablet-hybrid, but if that's the form it takes... so be it.
All of these rumours are getting me confused,I'm done reading them.
So it will be big as a wiiu controller if it gonna be like a tablet....need bigger pockets in my pants.
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