Bayonetta 2 is one of the Wii U's best exclusives, offering some amazing visuals and deeply rewarding action. It's also pretty sexy, with the protagonist bouncing provocatively on enemies and shedding her hair-like clothing with her more powerful attacks. It's trademark PlatinumGames, of course - and plenty of people love it all the more for this.
However, it would seem that certain teens feel that even by their decadent 2016 standards, everyone's favourite Umbra Witch is just a little too sexy. The game is the topic of the latest Teens React video, which sees a bunch of wide-eyed and idealistic young adults getting to grips with the 2014 action epic.
While everyone comes away suitably impressed by the visuals and the satisfying action, a few negative comments are passed on the game's use of sexuality, with one teen lamenting the fact that Bayonetta can't just "be the hero" and has to constantly use her body to entice male players. Another states that while he's enjoying the game plenty, the sexiness makes him feel uncomfortable.
Bayonetta 2's appearance on the video is the latest episode in its 2016 mini-renaissance. Famed YouTuber PewDiePie recently began playing the title on his channel, "dubbing it the best game of all time" - something which will have done the title's commercial fortunes no harm whatsoever.
Whatever your opinion on Bayonetta 2's sexy nature, the fact that this excellent game is reaching a wider audience via these videos is something we should all be grateful for. This is the kind of marketing Nintendo - and the Wii U - could really have done with back in 2014 when it was originally released.
Before watching, consider yourself warned that the video contains some bad language, as well as the usual "too sexy" stuff Bayonetta gets up to.
[source kotaku.com]
Comments (149)
I was scared as all of them but one immediately went for stylus controls. Truly, my time as come and gone, I'm a relic of the old ways, the joypad ways...
I hate the fine brothers
Bayonetta 2 is probably the 2nd best game on the Wii U but I cannot stand their videos.
I'm glad all your excellent writing skills are going to click bait.
You're better than this, let's get something interesting like a retrospective, or an interview, not this lazy piece with a link to a terrible youtube channel.
"Decadent 2016 standards"? On the contrary, I can't remember times ever being more prudish.
@Danksparce It's called "a bit of fun".
We often run humourous news pieces on the site, hopefully that's one of the reasons people choose to read Nintendo Life over the countless "me too" news and features sites out there. I'd like to think it's pretty clear when we're being tongue-in-cheek with our content. (Clue: this is one of those times).
The video is interesting and worth reporting on because it follows PewDiePie's own effort, which has caused prices for Bayonetta 2 to rise in the past month or so. It's also interesting in that it shows that games don't need a marketing blitz at release to be successful - Bayonetta 2 came out in 2014 yet here it is, getting a nice boost in 2016. Is that something Nintendo can take advantage of? Possibly.
Best line: She looks like my mum! Lol!
Okay, let's see what this is-(finds out it's Fine Bros)NOPE!
@Henmii Cue "I'd love to meet her mum" replies...
Quality very fun seeing the teens reactions.
I absolutely share the mentality that women should be portrayed as heroic and powerful without being hypersexualized for the sake of the male gaze.
but
in the case of Bayonetta, she's so over the top and cartoony that it's almost parody. and I like that about her games.
That said, I do understand the issue. It's sadly one that's prevalent in a lot of games, even to this day.
I hope the next article with bayonetta is the smash amiibo or it (finally) sold a million copies (witch will happen under a blue moon!)
I don't normally criticize the kind of content you guys make, even when it's just something random or silly, which I actually think is fun. But making an article whenever the Fine Bros. make a Nintendo-related "React" video is going a little too far--especially so when you don't label the article as such. These guys are trying to do horrible things to the industry and they're morally bankrupt individuals. There are just so many Nintendo-related videos going on out there that it saddens me that THESE are the ones you choose to promote over and over again. It really cheapens the value of your site and reduces it to clickbait, and I know you guys are above that.
So I urge you to stop promoting these videos. And even if you still insist on doing so, please make it clear in the article's title and/or description. I don't even want to run the risk of clicking a Fine Bros. video even once, and I would urge other Nintendo Lifers to avoid them as well.
@CharlieSmile Yeah, I actually agree with this. I never knew why I found it weird when Bayonetta came up in the "women are sexualized" conversation, but I guess it's what you said. She's so vampy that it's hard to take it seriously.
LOL Finebros
Man these kids have no style. Understandably they haven't played the first game and don't get it, but come on! After the first scene they should have realize that it's Bayonetta's style. She suppose to be so over the top you can't take everything that happens at face value.
Handle all the shooting, killing and war themes of COD, but sexy ladies in Bayonetta? Nope. XD
Soooooooo.... this isn't an article about the Bayonetta amiibo then?
NX is going to need amiibo support b/c at the rate they are going it will be out before Cloud and Bayonetta.
@Arlo I'm sorry, but it's hard to take your comments at face value when you also produce Nintendo-themed videos on Youtube but don't get articles on this site about your videos.
Bayonetta appears naked - "STOP OVERSEXUALIZING WOMEN!"
Norman Reedus appears naked on Kojima's new game - "This is fine "
Bayonetta 2 is a GREAT Wii U title but it cannot be the best game ever . . . because the original Bayonetta was a tick better.
In a world where GTA (unbelievably) includes sexual acts, I'm a bit surprised folks would contend that Bayonetta 2 is over-sexualized.
@bluedogrulez It's because she's comfortable with her sexuality. How can that be?!
Bayonetta is sexualized, but definitely not objectified or rendered helpless under the male gaze. Big deal.
@MetalKingShield Indeed. Prudery is alive and well. I can't wait until this current generation grows up and we're stuck with new decency laws, restrictive guidelines for what you can or cannot show or say in comics/tv shows/movies/etc., and moral guardians crawling around everywhere trying to make sure nobody is having any fun.
@mjharper Uh... There are thousands of Nintendo-centric channels that aren't featured on this site. I don't think that has anything to do with anything here.
I think the portayal of Bayonetta is actually very positive. I always find it funny, when people complain about her being sexualized, yet at the same time they complain about the lack of female videogame heroes (another thing I can barely understand, when we have so many great female heroes in games...). Does she show her skin? Sure. But it's been explained why in the lore of the game, she's strong, self confident, witty, inteligent and indipendent - basically all the traits those people cry for.
As if she's worth less just because she has a great body and is not afraid to show it o.O
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they do know know why she grows clothes. So I am not going to listen to their opinions if they have no clue of who bayonetta is.
2nd, these 17 year olds wear yoga pants and push up bras and aren't comfortable with bayonetta. Go back and pick up a hooker and buy pot in gta 5 on your xboxs.
@Shiryu You are not alone.
I stopped caring for that channel.
@Ralizah Explain, then, the scene in which the camera is zoomed in on her body, as her dress is being sliced off, while she is softly moaning.
@CharlieSmile Why would I explain it when you did such a good job of it in your own post?
Incidentally, if one's dress is being sliced off, where should the camera zoom in on? The fire hydrant down the street?
@Ralizah So basically heaven forbid that an audience outside of the male gaze feel comfortable while playing?
@Damo Could you put a wink emoticon like this in the title of silly articles so we know you are just having fun?
@CharlieSmile #34
She (Ralizah) never said that. lol.
I hope Nintendo is getting the message that YouTube does help game sales, especially if it's free marketing done by PewDiePie.
I honestly don't care for anything Pewdiepie related but I've got to admit that he does a better job at marketing games than Nintendo's marketing team.
PS. Bayonetta 3 for NX confirmed?
@CartoonDan I could, be then where would the challenge be for you as the reader?
@CharlieSmile She's a sexual character. If you're prudish enough that you feel uncomfortable about that, then yes, too bad. Not every piece of media should be designed to please as many people as possible.
There are some zoom ins on her body during the game, but she's almost always playing for the camera, as opposed to being victimized by it. Most games with sexual content have a voyeuristic element to them, which is the supposed "male gaze." With Bayonetta, it has more of a flair of shameless exhibitionism.
@Ralizah
"With Bayonetta, it has more of a flair of shameless exhibitionism."
Oh, I can agree with that. But even so, it's worth noting that such displays were created by a male director...
"She's a sexual character. If you're prudish enough that you feel uncomfortable about that, then yes, too bad."
I can be comfortable with something, and still want to pick it apart for analysis. Moreso when it makes someone else uncomfortable, I try to have empathy as to why someone feels that way.
I don't want to see fluffy articles like this. Posting a super-broad you-tube video (by a reviled channel no less) and captioning it with a meaningless click-bait title, is everything I hate about game blogs.
I read the article too. It doesn't say anything of note. It does what it was written to do which is garner clicks and posts. There are so many websites that just generate dumb content like this. Please don't become another one, Nintendo Life.
Edit: And if this article was meant to be tongue in cheek like the author suggests in a comment, then please someone come explain it to me. I certainly don't see the irony. It seems like nothing more than a genuine repost of a you-tube channel that a lot of people think is morally in the wrong. Like others have said, there are SOOOOO many other videos about games on you-tube.
@Damo I respect that, but in case you haven't heard, the fine bros. are hardly something you want to be promoting or reporting on :/
The hilarious thing is, these teens wouldn't believe you when the character design and her sexuality was created by a woman for a female audience as a female empowerment fantasy.
@CharlieSmile
Did you ever hear the story about a woman's touch creating Bayonetta?
@CharlieSmile
"Oh, I can agree with that. But even so, it's worth noting that such displays were created by a male director..."
So what? Powerful female characters can be created by males, and over-the-top portrayals of women as helpless, jiggling sex objects can be created by women.
"I can be comfortable with something, and still want to pick it apart for analysis. Moreso when it makes someone else uncomfortable, I try to have empathy as to why someone feels that way."
Sure, and if someone finds that Bayonetta makes them uncomfortable, that's perfectly fine. Like I said, not every piece of media is or should be designed for everyone. But that doesn't mean she's some objectified sex object.
@KO-Cub Actually, no. Explain please?
Good job Nintendolife. Advertise the channel that almost ruined YouTube. Good job.
@CharlieSmile The director came up with the idea of Bayonetta, a woman was her designer and drew the character, cloths and poses for her.
^^^ Beat me to it. Uzuki
@CharlieSmile
But to add, they got a female to design Bayonetta because they thought only a female would know what she should look like.
@CharlieSmile From what I've heard, she was designed by a woman. Not sure about anything else, though.
Bayonetta isn't really my type of game (nor was Devil May Cry), but I believe that eventually the Wii U will be looked at fondly like the Dreamcast. I think if half of the haters would actually just play the games on the console they would find that it isn't nearly as horrible as they have convinced themselves it is.
Eh, these videos always pick the dopiest responses to make either kids look dumb or to make the viewers' interests look dumb.
That said, I personally see Bayonetta about as sexualized as "sexy 90s Batman" from those awful movies. I normally nope out of stuff that only sexualizes women or men (when it's both genders it seems fine?), but I never understand when Bayonetta gets brought up in these conversations.
@Darknyht Yeah, I think it'll have a lot of cult appeal in the future due to the high number of fun exclusives on it. In ten years, when people couldn't care less about the fact that the Wii U can't play GTA V or Titanfall 2, they'll pay through the nose for the chance to play classics like Bayonetta 2, DKC: Tropical Freeze, and The Wonderful 101.
Bayo's one of my favourite female characters in gaming, along with Alis and Alys from the Phantasy Star series, Blaze from Streets of Rage, and Zaki from Rival Schools.
The Bayonetta series are great games, great fun, and if some find them too sexy or it makes them uncomfortable? Too bad for them. For me it's cool to see a glasses-wearing character be so graceful and perfect in every move, considering my glasses would fly off and my bad knee would give way if I tried a fraction of her moves.
Somehow I just knew this would be a Damo article.
I personally have never found Bayonetta attractive, but I find her style of being "in your face" with her femininity and sexiness a cool character concept.
Bayonetta 1 was "sexier" than Bayonetta 2.
The people in this video are the sad younger generation that have never played real video games, have no interest in them, don't understand them, and couldn't care less about games that aren't on their smartphones.
That fact that any of them, let alone a lot of them are playing Bayonetta 2 with the screen tapping "auto play" is disheartening.
@Ralizah …Says the male with an anime girl as his pic…
…How ironic…
Finebros. are fine. They made mistakes trying to protect their small business in a volatile area. People need to learn from it and get over it, or become more aware of the issues on YouTube and be part of some solutions, but to hang on to some irrational hate is no good for anyone.
Bayonetta is all sorts of odd and I don't know what to make of it half the time. I do think it represents the risks that Nintendo has been willing to take that haven't paid off and can help balance the myopic opinions some have of the company.
The fact that it continues to find success and that she was included in Smash Bros. shows that Nintendo hasn't backed down from its support of more hardcore mature games.
Bayonetta 2 is currently £10 on the Nintendo Official UK online Store, just putting that out there.
Sucks that there's no sexy scantily clad males though. :/
It's always one way...
@Gluff "Good job Nintendolife. Advertise the channel that almost ruined YouTube."
Seriously, what?
I'm genuinely quite fine with sexualized characters; Morrigan, Jill, Tifa, and you too, Geralt (What a guy).
But I cannot forgive 2 things: Objectification, like what they did to Samus recently. And the immature people/fans.
Where. Is. The. Chill.
Imagine being uncomfortable with sexiness. A bit of sexyness is good. It's a real aspect of human nature and society and should be included in media. The question is how much of it there should be, not whether it should be there or not.
This comment section should be titled Read Nintendonerds response to teens responding to a Nintendo Game.
Lighten up guys and gals! Don't be so uptight!
@DiscoGentleman Which is completely fair. I like Bayonetta! But I also understand how and why there are some that take issue with Bayonetta, and I think it's worth discussing.
@Porpoise Oh? What's wrong with having an anime girl as my avatar?
@Ralizah You were just defending women not being sex objects. I just found it ironic…
Never mind, it's not like my observations matter, it's just that the anime community has a bad reputation concerning the subject.
@CharlieSmile
And female gaze too, plenty of women like hyper sexualized women too
@Porpoise ...Says the boy with a Orca as his pic...
... How aquatic...
@Spanjard I was reading through the whole comment section and I started to think to myself "Why am I doing this?"
But then I read your comment, and it made it all worth it.
@CharlieSmile 'the male gaze'.
Interesting sound bite.
Because women never look at other women in a sexual way. But men, they should be ashamed of it? Are only men capable of looking at women in a way which seeks to take advantage of them? There is a difference between voyeurism, and sexual expression. Otherwise we might as well all move to Saudi Arabia!
You also never acknowledged your wrong assumption about Bayonetta being designed by a man, as pointed out by other posts.
I dont mind feminist ideals, but there is a point where it becomes offensive to good men. I'm pretty sure at some point, your father looked at your mother?
@DarkKirby Hey-o, member of the younger generation here! Don't own a smartphone, but instead a 3DS and Xbox One. I'm looking forward to Monster Hunter Generations, Recore, Gunvolt 2, and Pokemon Moon.
Anyways, article is pointless clickbait and I nineteenth what Danksparce said.
@Porpoise I was defending Bayonetta on the grounds that it doesn't objectify her. Not making an argument for or against depicting women as sex objects.
Amusingly enough, the girl in my avatar is a character designed by Satoshi Urushihara, who is primarily associated with ecchi and hentai art. I tend to think that his skill at creating gorgeous, beautiful character art is wasted on pornography, though.
@Spanjard I laughed pretty hard at your comment. Just so you know.
@Henmii I loved that line too. My young son saw a picture of Bayonetta's face once and said it was his mom. I'm a lucky man.
yup she sexailsed... but dante from dmc series was never sexualised no siree, not that nero either and definitely not virgil right...? it goes both ways, most games have guys in them who are mostly attractive to female gamers. one in a nutshell "Link" did you see the girls at tree house removing his shirt and there comments?
@Uzuki Source? I'm ready to learn more.
@Braok I'd like to read more about this, if you have more info.
OMG!! I love Bayonetta!! The main reason why I bought a Wii U, and I totally main her in Smash.
If I wasn't so short, I would love to cosplay her (err, but I probably wouldn't make her suit out of hair). (o_O )
@Spanjard
...Said the grown man with a disgusting biker dressed as a baby as his pic.
…I don't know what Kyogre has to do with this. I like his serious personality. I don't know how you could find that sexual. Also, congratulations. You read my profile. You're so smart. Here's a medal. Here, have this trophy too because everyone on here loves your snide remark so much. I admire your brilliance, you must be a comedic genius.
@Ralizah How could I know that? All anyone on the internet ever cares for is sex. Look around you.
I'm so remorseful and ashamed that I did not previously see that. Please excuse my idiocy.
More Bayonetta is never a bad thing and the more sexulized the BETTER give us more I say ..
@Porpoise Relax, give it a few more years and you too will care for sex. Everything will make sense! Like how you got into this world for example.
@CharlieSmile
Mari Shimazaki-san created Bayonetta. She's an amazing artist and fashion illustrator. She has a blog and a twitter that I would link to but that's against the NintendoLife rules.
She also came up with the idea of Bayonetta's hair making up her clothes, and when she does an attack she uses that same hair.
@Spanjard I'm pretty sure Kyogre raised him as one of its own, which is how he came to appreciate the pokemon's "serious personality."
@Utena-mobile
I did not know this. That's really cool!
@CharlieSmile
♪(゚▽^*)ノ⌒☆
She's awesome! If I could draw just a fraction like she does, I would be very happy indeed (but all of my "how to draw fashion" books have taught me squat).
"Why would you wear those clothes when you go shopping?"
Cause she's [email protected]#$&IN-NETTA! Also the girl with the curly hair and red lipstick sounds like Britney from Daria XD
@Spanjard There, there, man-baby, give it a few more decades and you too will see that there is more to life than biological intercourse.
And you know how you got into this world because you're 27? You're far more superior than a 14 year old because you "know more"? What, you went to school? You got your degree, went to college and had tons of sex because there were a lot of girls there? And now you feel so good and relaxed because of it? And now because of that, you're going to tell me how it is?
…I have never witnessed such arrogance in my existence. In the cycle of life itself, you haven't even seen 30 seconds. Based on your knowledge now, I pity you for when you truly grow up.
@Ralizah You don't know my story, you don't know anything about me. I suggest you stay out of that area, you don't have the ground.
I'm done with this article/comment mess of ganging. I'm going to tend to my actual life now. Most people here think and talk lower, and not to mention, smaller than a spill of phytoplankton.
@Damo
Dear Nintendo Life,
Do not promote the deplorable Fine Bros. and their videos. Just. Don't.
Thank you.
@Xaldin Glad I could help
@Ralizah haha xD I feel a bit conflicted because I do like Orcas, just not because of how serious they are. Although they are quite the killer whales.
Well whatever, here's to Porpoise and Kyogre:
@Spanjard
(Exception)
I rest my case.
You're a disgusting individual.
@Spanjard
seriously? (--_-- )
@Utena-mobile Seriously what? Ofcourse I'm serious, can't you just see how serious my avatar is! At least I'm not a car! Like some of us seem to be...
This is why we can't have nice things.
@Ralizah So...the second coming of the Elizabethan Era (or at least one of the British Eras...I forget)? Will all the fairy tales become kid friendly too like last time?
@MJKOP And yet in NOA...we never get deals on Bayonetta...Yes the game was released as a standalone game...but I kind of want the bundle too. Just not at full price.
Doesn't help I'm one of those PC guys, so I have been spoiled by sales to the point I have too many good games.
@Smokingspoon Ever heard of a franchise called Devil May Cry?
@Porpoise ....maybe because Japan has a strong history of sexualization? Anime is really just a bi-product of it.
And don't say other Cartoons and TV series don't have sexualization. There are plenty of Betty Boops and Sexualized films. ...not to mention Disney has a habit of making a lot of sexual innuendos.
@Danksparce BRO, click bait articles are not FINE, and yee, I just revved up a subliminal message that i'm pointing out for the lulz.
@Damo The prices for Bayonetta 2 (with Bayonetta 1 included) didn't go up because of PewDiePie, they went up around the time Bayonetta got wicked in SM4SH.
@EllenJMiller YEEah, She's also one of my favorite female characters in gaming as well (along with Blaze Fielding).
@the_shpydar If that was a petition, I would've revved up a signature it.
@Henmii
Then that's one fine looking mama.
@CharlieSmile The point of sexualizing a character in this flagrant, violent way (but mostly not against human beings, but rather selfish demons and self-righteous angels) is to make people feel uncomfortable, and think outside of societal norms for a change. It was only a few hundred years ago that Puritans were wantonly accusing and killing/crucifying/drowning/burning people at the stake for maybe being a witch/warlock, based on extremely questionable criteria. Even today, such stupid superstitions STILL exist.
Bayonetta destroys both the divine and the demonic that step out of line in her own way. It's not the way of a Paladin, or some other holy crusader, or some gallant Ranger. Then again, sometimes someone who understands the darkness existing in (and just outside of) the universe is needed to deal with it.
It never bothered me. Maybe because I see it more like a cartoon than like real partial nudity. Or it could be that I see Bayonetta as a strong female character. OR maybe because the gameplay is so fantastic that nothing else matters.
Anyone bothered by it is a prude.
@KO-Cub Don't you like Samus being in latex and heels with a whip? chuckle
I would consider Bayonetta to be kind of like the female demon slayer version of Godhand. It's just good, unclean fun.
There's all kinds of things in the world to be rightly unnerved by, and various cultures have differing amounts of tolerance for this type of characterization. However, I'd say that being unable to tolerate Bayonetta as a demon slayer, not a human slayer, is pretty thin-skinned. And yes, I am saying a lot of people in the world are thin-skinned.
Some might be offended that she's an angel slayer too, but those angels were being pretty hypocritical, while Bayonetta was not. It's not meant to be offensive, though, it's just something to get people thinking about how humanity often portrays (and reveres) the divine, especially in such a contradictory way.
kyle bosman did a great analysis of the character
@KO-Cub I much prefer the Super Metroid portrayal of Samus, myself. She actually looked unique, and like someone who is a true force to be reckoned with. Someone who's been through a hell of a lot of conflicts, and was specially physically conditioned in a highly advanced way. The new Samus looks and acts like a total lightweight, not someone capable of the Metroid missions' heritage.
@CharlieSmile I absolutely agree. My only main complaint about that game is how they didn't do the same for males.
@Henmii I'd love to meet her mum...
Ok 1 these kids obviously never played a Bayonetta game before to even know her back story or why the way she is. It also doesn't help the fact that these videos are incredibly forced and scripted. And 2 Bayonetta may be a sexualized character but honestly look at all the poop she does. Shes so Nibelsnarfing badA she will spank demons then cut their heads off the next second. And I'm pretty sure guys playing this don't have time to focus on her sexuality as their are swarms of Angels and Demons that need butt kicking coming your way.
@EllenJMiller You have good taste.
@patbacknitro18 No swearing please...>.>
@Megumi_Sagano Nibelsnarfing? Really? LOL
What? The Monster Hunter wikia does it. -w-
@Megumi_Sagano Reminds me of gathering poop in Monster Hunter to make poop grenades and bowgun shells... A classic past time!
For those who don't understand all the hate the Fine Bros receive http://bit.ly/1SSePS7
Wait a Woman created Bayonetta?.................................Why the heck are feminists attacking Bayonetta then? I mean they say shes only their to please men, but men didn't create her, a woman did
@patbacknitro18 Who knows? My girlfriend always picks the sexiest characters in any game that's available. Everyone just has different tastes and there's plenty of games with no sexuality if that's what someone wants.
Screw the fine brothers.
@Thegentleman well it sold over a million a while ago sir...
Well hold on. By their logic Bayonetta was just created as an overlysexualized character made to please mens desires. But yet they claim this without any prior knowledge of the creator nor the game itself. It just dosent make sense, but if feminists are willing to call Samus, Lara croft, and even just yesterday I spent an entire hour arguing with not just 1 feminist on if Alien isolation was sexist or not. Amanda Ripley is pretty much a perfect female charecter, and yet they are gonna complain about that game......................1 Argument they had was why are all the robots male...........THEIR ROBOTS!!!!!!!!!! and 2. why does the aliens only attack Amanda, singling out her as a woman.............THE ALIENS CONSTANTLY KILL PEOPLE OF EITHER GENDER!!!!!!!!!!
@Braok what anime is your icon I've seen it alot
@patbacknitro18 You're not dealing with feminists, you're dealing with either quick to judge or hilariously stupid people. Or clowns.
Saying this generation has "Decaying standards" over something as silly as Bayonetta is sad to read, AND not true at:
I never saw a generation of teenagers being so prudish. 10+ years ago, you'd see cries for censorship coming from conservative soccer moms, because they feared fictional violence and sexualization could hurt their children; now we see young, trendy Teenagers crying for censorship instead, because they themselves fear getting hurt by it, despite most doing it being almost or over 18 at this point.
That said, I never expected this level of clickbait here, I hope the finebros have paid well. I saw some weak articles in the site in the past, but nothing that ever made me lose respect for the place or the staff before. Thanks Damien, you convinced me to stick to better news souces and convince my friends to do the same, I've sticked here for the good news and well made articles, but if that's where the quality is going, I'm glad there's no lack of great nintendo sites so we'll be fine.
@JuhaBacha Decadent, not decaying. I think Damo meant this definition: "Marked by or providing unrestrained gratification; self-indulgent." Decadent can also mean decline or decay, but I don't think that was the definition he was going for.
Plus, as others have said, Fine Bros. productions are mostly staged, and they brutally attack others who make productions even slightly resembling theirs.
Damo was merely musing on how Nintendo could better market their top of the line offerings. I have to admit, it would have been more interesting to see him write in depth about how various media channels and productions have taken advantage of risque and violent elements in games to promote inflammatory messages and stir up false "controversies" to generate watch hits from the more gullible among the populace. He probably doesn't want Nintendo Life to potentially be attacked by them after criticizing them, though!
@PlywoodStick Far enough correction: English is not my main language, so this kind of semantics can go mixed up, through both words are translated the same to my language, so the meaning you quote is the one I understood, despite of this typo/wrong wording: the implications of what he said are still the very same even if you take away any "decline" meaning from it, despite that also being a meaning to "decadent" it's still denying how prudish this generation has gotten.
Edit: about the Fine Bros, yes, I heard about what they do, that's yet another reason as to why it's such sad news to see such an article like this one here.
@JuhaBacha If anything, I think prudishness is falling overall. It's just that we are bombarded with "politically correct" and "disingenuously defying political correctness" images and attitudes in various media formats so often these days, that we're not always shown the whole truth.
@MetalKingShield agreed. That's why i'd love to see Game Grumps play this. They are no strangers to sexy butt stuff.
@Freeon-Leon The Fine Brothers are trying (successfully so) to remove any and all "reaction" videos because they think they have the rights to the idea of people reacting to things. Recently they "allow" people to post react videos but only if they get a major cut of the profits. I dont know the state of it now, but I think things are back to normal now.
Enticing male players? I wasn't aware that lesbians no long exist, Damien.
@Smokingspoon
I have Simon Belmont for that. Lol
@Arlo like your bash at Star Fox?? Who cares honestly, those teen react videos are funny. You need to just relax before you start telling these guys how to run their website.
@Lady_rosalina Jibril from No Game No Life for the one drooling on the tablet, weirded out one is Sora
...Someone in here needs to take a chill pill. >.>
@patbacknitro18 Calm down, also no swearing please, even censoring them is a no no, final warning from the mods.
@black_vanguard Enticing to Butch Cassidy, and Butch & Cassidy!
@Smokingspoon #60
That's not really true, though. If you've finished Bayonetta 2 you should know what I mean.
LOL xD
Eh, not really a fan of those "Teens react to" videos. They are so blatantly skripted.
However, I'm glad that Bayonetta 2 gets some exposure. It's easily one of the best Wii U games.
Also, why do people feel the need to criticize every game for containing some sexy stuff? Not every game needs to be prude and rated for everyone. Bayonetta's sexuality is part of her personality. Everyone who had actually played the 2 games would know it. Also, why is nobody proclaiming "I will not play this game unless there is an option to also play as a male protagonist. I want equality." I know a certain user on this site who should be saying that after the whole "no female Link" thing. Oh, I forgot: double standards
I watch these react videos with teens that play games I used to play when younger, but boy do these kids suck at gaming, i mean the dying is not the worst part in most games but the lack of experimenting and discovering how mechanics works if not told what to do is sometimes cringeworthy...
I don't understand the hate for the Fine Bros. Did you actually read what they tried to do or did you read the angry reddit user version of what they were "trying" to do? Their idea was actually decent if you took the time to actually read their documentation, which so many didn't do.
Also, why is there so many people nowadays who are outright determined to tear down anything which is a bit of fun, then claim to do so under a banner of 'social justice'?
The creative industries are not open to political negotiation. They exist as a space for people to express whatever they want to, and it is everyone's job to ensure that they are free and encouraged to do so.
If I was a feminist, I'd have more problems with Princess Peach than anyone else tbh lol.
"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire.
I find it HILARIOUS that these teens are supposed to be the new and progressive generation, yet the old guard, and Nintendo fans in general, are more capable of handling the sexiness of Bayonetta in a fair and unbiased manner than some of them in the video were.
"OMG the sexiness is too much!!! Where's my safe zone?! I need an adult!!"
I can't stop laughing.
If this kind of prudish outlook towards characters who can flaunt their sexiness without coming off as hookers is enough to trigger them, then lord forbid they ever look into a movie like Pink Flamingo.XD
@patbacknitro18 ...
Are you being serious?
There were actually feminists that were that stupid about a game as non-gender-biased as Aliens Isolation?
...
I'm finding that very hard to wrap my head around.
My mind cannot comprehend such stupidity without feeling a headache coming on...
In all honesty the game is very much tongue in cheek, and not to be taken seriously, yes Bayonetta is very sexualized and she does look like something out of a horny teenager wet dream. But that's part of her charm. There's plenty of games that depict women in better and stonger ways, Last of Us, Tomb Raider, Alien Isolation, heck even future titles like Horizon.
@smashbrolink
You find it funny, and I could agree except unfortunately this younger generation of uptight idiots are future world leaders. Not a good thing.
@Gamer83
My friend, the laughter is to block out the sorrow.
Let me have my chuckles, or I might very well end myself at the depressing reality of the future leaders of this once-beautiful world...
@MajinSoul
People only complain if it's a woman. But nobody said a damn thing about the pointless nudity in the pointless Kojima game that Sony is funding. And the most hypocritical part was if you watched the Sony press conference live on Sony's feed the female co-host of their E3 coverage was going on about it and asked 'can a girl have a minute?' No you can't because these days when a man, especially all those 'privileged' white men, get hot and bothered about a sexy woman, they're evil, sexist pigs who deserve to burn in hell.
@smashbrolink
Carry on, then.
@Lady_rosalina really!? Well then...paint me yellow and call me pikachu! .....Oh wait... (may I have proof please?)
@djtwenty9 It's not the video I'm concerned about, but the individuals who make them. There's nothing wrong with trying not to support those who are damaging the industry.
Well they were obviously morons... I'm a little irritated by their reactions to the game. Half the time, they weren't even paying attention to what was going on, and the other half they couldn't decide if they even liked or hated it.
And really? Disliking the game for the sole reason of the main character being naked a few times? I have several issues with that. For one, if that's the only thing they pay attention to, they don't deserve to play at all. For another, Bayonetta is a character that is both fresh and unique and the hair being a conduit to her summons and various other powers is a perfectly justifiable reason for her losing her clothes - especially considering it's wrapped around her body.
Notice how she's only really sexualized while in clothing, but when she's actually naked, we don't see anymore skin than your average dude in a swimsuit. I personally think all those teens were just being childish. When it came down to the gameplay, their reactions were largely positive. And if they'd played the first Bayonetta game before playing the sequel, they'd have enjoyed the story too.
I'll admit I chuckled at the video here and there, but overall, I think those kids' opinions should be outright ignored. Bayonetta 2 is a solid experience in all respects and deserves much higher praise than it was given by these children.
And before anyone decides to bring in the point of me being a perverted man who enjoys the game for nothing but the sexualized aspects - I can safely say that you'd be 100% wrong, so don't waste your breath. Or mine.
@Angelic_Lapras_King and language.
I'm straight and I don't find Bayonetta sexy. To me her design reeks of desperation to sell a game that didn't sell a ton and ignorance of what society finds sexy.
@Freeon-Leon Ever heard of the React World controversy?
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