Rumour: Nintendo Is Planning A Series Of Wii U Remasters For NX

This gives me slightly more hope for new Smash characters....

Eff the Inklings and Ice Climbers, DAISY FOR SMASH BROS!

If this is true, then backward compatibility is out the door.

@memoryman3 NO

@ROBLOGNICK Well we got a Wii game (TP) remastered for Wii U

@BMORRI Yes but it one of the first Wii games released back in 2006. Splatoon was released last year!

Super Mario maker, Splatoon, Super smash 4, they do make sense. They where big hits on Wii u (even with the small userbase), and I can see Nintendo milking those on NX.

I hope they won't be used to fill the library, and that there are still lots of cool, new Nintendo games released on NX in the first few months!!

@ROBLOGNICK,

Eh no, I think. Those will be special versions with extra features and content. And maybe slightly better graphics. And if you wish, you can still play the older versions on NX (I think).

@BMORRI Twilight Princess was a cross gen game though of which the Wii U remaster has been clearly cited to be based on the GC version.

I WOULD BUY Wii U GAMES FOR Wii U!!!!

Would rather see sequels or expansions to those games, rather than "remasters," which I suspect is just another word for port in this case. Save the remasters for games from Wii and before.

This is good news. I think it's clear by now that Nintendo know they can't just release an updated Wii U, which was just an updated Wii, which was just an updated Gamecube.

They need a complete overhaul, and that means no more backwards compatibility. At least in the traditional sense. Bring on some ports, why not....

Meh.

Rolled my eyes a bit, but yet it makes sense. Not a ton of people have a Wii U, so the thinking must be if NX can attract more users, it is worthwhile to make a few popular Wii U games available for users that skipped this Nintendo gen.

Splatoon and especially SMM make absolute sense to bring to the NX, and I hope the rumour to be true.

Re-mastering Smash Smash doesn't make sense. Along with Mario Kart, Smash is a once per generation game and they are released fairly soon in the consoles life span. Unless they are intending not to bring Smash 5 to NX I can't see the benefit in this.

Perhaps the ballot served a great purpose after all.

I could see Smash being updated with some of the 3D models improved, the skeleton changes in 8 player smash removed, Break The Targets brought back, a few more stages, a fixed character select and 6-8 new characters, along with all the DLC being base game.

The most likely candidates for new characters would be Wolf and Ice Climbers.
From the ballot I can see K. Rool, Isaac, maybe Snake and maybe Rayman.
I could see a gen 7 Pokemon happening as well.

Hurry up E3 I'm getting fed up with this constant prattle.

I guess this is good incentive for non-Wii U owners but personally this won't help convince me to buy especially if it hinders the time it takes for other new games to be made.

Good idea, even though I have all of them, I'd probably buy some again if cheap in future but I know they aren't aimed at me. Would definitely kick console off well if they come out with a number of decent NX exclusives.

@Jazzer94 I doubt they are trying to persuade you to buy one by doing this. They are more likely trying to persuade all the people who didn't buy a WiiU.

@Sakuraichu If Smash NX is going to be the only Smash game for it, then I expect 12-20 new characters spread throughout years (normal for series such as Street Fighter and Killer Instinct)

It would be the perfect Smash to get as much Nintendo characters in as possible! Maybe this time we'll finally see people like Daisy!

Would make a lot of since cuz there are a lot of people who DON'T own a Wii U. Easy money for them.

@BMORRI Twilight Princess is a Gamecube game.

@MarvinTheMartian I disagree, the Smash roster is at a point now that it doesn't make sense to have a new Smash game but instead have Smash Wii U ports with additional characters and stages.

Rumour: NX will be purple

It just makes so much sense for Nintendo to make NX ports of the best Wii U games. It's not rocket science nor much of a prediction or rumour. And as someone said elsewhere, where's Mario Kart 8? That ought to be number 1 on the list of ports(with a fixed Battle Mode).

What is the point of this if true. Wii u owners who will get the nx will already have these and if they didn't entice people to get a Wii u to play them why would it make a difference on a new console? I want new games on nx not the same ones I've been playing for the last two years.

I would be gutted if am not able to transfer my digital library from Wii U

"Remasters" are making me concerned whether or not my digital titles will transfer over. It makes me wary to embrace collecting games rather than just buying the essentials from this generation if they'll be scrapped in the next.

@Vegaphil We as owners of Wii U are an insignificant number. It makes sense to give them a wider release. Don't worry we'll be getting new games on NX as well.

I've heard 12gb of ram 3 for operating system 9 for games! I find this hard to believe I don't think any game uses more than 8 so that would be an unnecessary expence but who knows as for porting games that will be fine as long as there's plenty new ones also

@memoryman3 Having 2 new characters from the start and maybe 10 more added over a year or two makes sense actually.

More ideas:
I feel like Codename STEAM and The Last Story deserve more attention. Henry and Zael for Smash.
Splatoon is popular and Inkling probably did well on the ballot, throw them in.
I would say Dark Samus and Tingle but they're assist trophies. Maybe they could be upgraded to playable.
If they could get Heihachi from Tekken to work this time, that would be fantastic.
A Fire Emblem character who doesn't use swords. Hector, Ephraim or Micaiah, preferrably the first choice, would be fit for this role.
Paper Mario's appearance in Smash is long overdue. He's a third (fourth if you count 64/Melee Luigi) Mario but his moveset could be completely different.
Another Xenoblade rep would be nice. Could Reyn have his time? Elma? Seven? Cross?

@sandman89 Actually thats not as ludicrous as you may think. Developers, mainly triple A multiplatform ones, are constantly wanting more ram and better GPU etc. It's one of the rumoured reasons behind the PS4.5. And that may itself be 12 GB RAM, especially if it is going to be able to better support VR.

Sounds good to me if there is some sort of legacy discount like 20% off at launc because they are remasters. Also I can't envision Mario Maker being improved upon at a technical level unless the controller has new useful features. They could milk new Templates and items and terrain such as slopes just entice double dipping

I hope they bring out Splatoon on the NX

@ROBLOGNICK Backward compatibility probably is out the door, since it seems (based on rumors) Nintendo are using a completely new architecture for NX. The good side of that is the opportunity to really re-think their platform in terms of current and future requirements, without legacy constraints.

@FragRed Main reason of PS4.5 is 4k and VR support. That's about it.

@roboshort Hence the first part of my comment stating that.

I could see the remasters of the games happening. They want the right amount of people to grab the games this time around. Come on Devil's Third! Probably not, but I can dream.

Remastered a few but not all. Also some N64, GameCube, and Wii HD remaster would be great too. Imagine playing remastered remakes of F-Zero X & GX, Donkey Kong 64, Doom 64, Baten Kaitos 1 & Origins, Okami, Fatal Frame IV, Silent Hill: Shatter Memories, Curse Mountains, Viewtiful Joe 1 & 2, Mystic Heroes, Wario Land: Shake, NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams, No More Heroes 1 & 2, Kirby's Air Ride, Castlevania 64, Tales of Symphonia (I know there's already a PS3 HD remaster but this one would be better because it's the GCN version and would run in 60fps), Ogre Battle 64, Eternal Darkness, Billy Hatcher, and Skies of Arcadia Legends all in 60fps render in 1080p - 4K quality with extra contents all in physical copies for $19.99 each. That would be a splendid deal to me.

Mario maker and splatoon are gamepad heavy soo makes sense they wont cross over well. Also splatoon could easily handle a sequel which would make more sense. Im more then happy with the new 3ds. It does not need to be a powerhouse just convenient. Make it link well with nx and its a go. Companion apps for example. Buy new zelda u for NX get zelda picross for new 3ds. Complete puzzles to earn rewards in main game.....anyway im happy with remasters. Think they can hit a home run by including a free to start version in with the console of smash 4

@SLIGEACH_EIRE If they fix Battle Mode, I hope the update is available on Wii U, too.

Well, does it make sense to port those few Wii U hits to the next console? Yes. Will the NX be a success? I'm not sure. It will be out only four years after Wii U. Nintendo lost a legion of fans with Wii U, I don't think that NX will attract them back if NX is a PS4 (but 3 years later) with Wii U ports. Will I buy NX? Not at launch, that's for sure.

@memoryman3 New characters?
Nah; I would prefer to see them combine the Wii U and 3DS versions into one "complete" version instead.
All stages, all characters, all trophies, and most importantly, SMASH RUN IN HD.

I would be ALL OVER that.

Yeah, the Mario Maker NX game is real. Not sure about the others, but Emily knows her stuff!

pfff my hype is turning into getting realy realy tired.making people wait for a while can get them exited but its taking way to long this time.just give me something nintendo

I would fine with them bringing titles over to NX and would pay for them again if they had additional content or something unique.

@ROBLOGNICK Not necessarily.
Wii U has BC with Wii yet still got ports of Wii games, so there's no reason the NX couldn't do both, too.

@Damo Its not a recently-ressurected Emily Rogers Twitter account as per Kevin Cassidy of Go Nintendo who has *confirmed in private with the original Emily Rogers (of NF magazine fame) that the account above is merely using the name Emily Rogers. Not that it affects the information but it may affect the credibility given to it

*see the most recent GN podcast

Can't they leave Wii U owners with any good exclusives?

@MarvinTheMartian Remastering Smash 4 could make perfect sense, if this remaster is a complete edition that combines all stages, trophies, and modes from both the 3DS and Wii U versions.

I'd pay again for Smash Run in HD.

I see them just being a re-release for NX, not anything really added to them. They could also be talking about sequels being made or starting to be made, other than that, never believe the rumours because they're just that...rumors.

E3 is coming in a few months, and nintendo will probably heed news about NX and a few of the games for it then. I don't see the console being more powerful than the PS4 (could lead to a higher cost, unless they chop down on the hard drive and other features) and they can't afford to be at $300 or more...especially with the PS4 and XBONE at $300 or less. I can't wait to see what they have up their sleeves for the NX, but if they are re-releasing all of the Wii U exclusives on the NX...what's the point in the Wii U...why would they do that to the current owners of the system that have supported it (like myself)?

@Joshua179 I was also wondering on why Super Mario Maker wasn't also made for the New 3DS...it would be a perfect fit...but there's also been some 3DS games that I don't get why they didn't come to Wii U.

Not convinced these rumours are legit, particularly as the person who posted these rumours "just started snooping for NX info."

That one sentence screams BS to me.

It would make sense as these are amazing games that have all come out on a platform with disappointing sales. However, if they do this, Nintendo risk upsetting the loyal fans who supported them on Wii U. I would hope they would offer free or very cheap upgrades to those who already own them.

@NinChocolate Nope. This is the real Emily.

@Damo you've verified that outside of that account?

These rumours bore me.
And I hope it's not true, I bought the Wii U to play Wii U games (and because it's the best console at the moment) and if I buy a new Nintendo console it's because of the new games - and because it's the next best console that's coming out, hopefully. Last-gen remasters are useless. By that time everyone can get a Wii U much cheaper, and the NX will be backwards compatible anyway.

The Smash 4 NX version has been a long running rumour, and with the long and arduous development time, as well as dual versions, being the game with the largest amiibo support, large amount of DLC, and coming out so close to the end of the WiiU cycle, it would make sence to release a "complete" or expanded remastered version that builds on it, rather than a new game that would replace Smash 4 and end this generation of Smash so early. Main development on Smash 4 technically just ended in February, and with balance patches is still ongoing.

"they have released a new console filling it with remasters" (cit. Nintendo fans mocking Ps4).

I hope that we, WiiU owners, will get access to those remaster for, at least, a very discounted price...

@ErnisDy I think PS4K will just have the new Ultra HD Blu-ray drive - nothing more.

I also heard that it may be called Nintendo Next, or, NEX, like NES, but updated in away. I adore that name!

And yeah of course they will port loads of WiiU games to the NX, kinda silly not too. Games pretty much ready to go for a new bigger audience. With some having game of the year versions with all dlc included on disc. Isn't that what most of us collectors will gobble up? I know I would lol.

No BC then? Sure the Xbox One has a long way to go, but there's something. I would've expected better from Nintendo. Hopefully SNES on the new 3DS isn't a sign of what's to come.

Also, if the best WiiU games did not help to sell many consoles, what's the point to remake them now? Why should I buy NX for Smashbro, if I did not care about it on WiiU? It looks like just a way to piss WiiU owners.... NX needs TONS of NEW NINTENDO games and BEST AAA multiplats, not only at launch, but in the following years too

@LiamR you can confirm that the statements here starting at 33:35 are incorrect?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ygiGnLHBxvk

@Judgedean It'd be suicidal to go any further than 4K media playback, Ultra Blu-Ray support, upconverting, and an integrated PS VR processing unit.

@arnoldlayne83 Actually having launch titles? Unless you just got a Wii U (in which case you were warned), all this does is give people yet another reason to come back. And establishing a base is critical for Nintendo to gain support.

Hmm, interesting. It would make sense. I have to say, the closer we get to the NX's reveal, the more positive the rumors have been, at least to me. I remember a lot of the early rumors sounding pretty crappy, but that's just off the top of my head.

As long as this means there won't be backwards compatibility because Nintendo moved to a new architecture, I'm Happy.

@Vincent294 why I should go back because of games at launch that:

1) I already own

Or

2) Did not interest me first time?

Basically Nintendo are porting the three late life Wii U games that have big online servers and fanbases, which makes sense. Modern gaming is all about online play, even if most Ninty fans don't care about it.

I wonder if you added Voice Chat to Splatoon NX and Smash NX, it would appeal to the online gamers more?

..so in the meantime we've got lots of lovely rumours and "leaks"

More like highly annoying ones. Nintendo needs to come out with some tangible information already, preferably well before E3 2016 starts.

I can understand wanting to keep things under wraps for a time, but I can't imagine that what they have is so amazingly special that they have to fear it being copied within the space of a month, which is what would have to happen if they would show us something now.

As for all the people lamenting the potential loss of backward compatibility: fret ye not, since if the NX is noticeably more powerful than the PS4, it should certainly be possible to have it emulate a Wii U, and in turn a Wii, since both the Xbox One and the PS4 are also offering previous gen titles through similar means.

Save games, Wiiware, eShop titles and such could then simply be transferred or used via an external hard drive.

If an old i5 core PC can run a Dolphin emulator (and to some extent even Cemu, the Wii U emulator) then the NX can do so too.

As far as the article goes, I already expected Zelda to do a "Twilight Princess", so that's no surprise, and the other titles also make sense, from several perspectives. It allows people that never owned a Wii U to get acquainted with these great titles they have previously missed and it allows Nintendo to potentially (assuming they hit the ground running this time around) make a lot more money off these titles.

@TheRealThanos Nintendo should've revealed the NX about a month ago.

I think they are sequels, not remakes. Porting these games that people already bought won't lead to high sales. Plus, every Nintendo console since the Gameboy Color has had backwards compatibility, why wouldn't this?

@Moon

This isn't bad, but I can't help thinking none of this actually fixes their problems with getting 3rd parties and non-Nintendo fans onboard.

I mean the Gamecube was at least twice as powerful as the PS2 and third parties and consumers shunned it. Wii U remakes are a mixed bag. Do I, who owns all those games, want to pay $60 each a year after buying those to experience a slightly better version (as I doubt any kind of loyalty bonus will be included)? Will consumers that shunned the Wii U be tempted by the same games they shunned? Would a PS4.5 (powerwise) with a Wii U HD screen come to the market at $500 when it's main competitors are selling well at $300 and have a great library already?

I just don't see how Nintendo has addressed imo their biggest problem, which is being enticing to 3rd parties and fans of other developers in general. Yes, power would be one checkmark, but it's not the only one.

Oh boy! Can't wait to play Twilight Princess for a 4th time now!

@Grumblevolcano they have a quarterly meeting coming up this month, think it's near the end if April. I would imagine they will use this meeting with share holders and gaming fans to release a small amount of new information about what the NX is. Then at E3 a big reveal of the system and the games to come (new and ports) then with a launch window of November. That's a long time from June, enough time to build up even MORE hype, and hopefully hit the ground running. Sure the NX is going into production round about now anyway. Loads of time to get the system made, which I'm sure is finished in its design stages since prob late last year.

But, I think Nintendo have a battle on their hands around that time with a potential ps4.5 'release' & the psvr definitely coming out in October.

It's gonna be a tough one.

Anyway, all these ports of WiiU games to the NX are fir the 90million Wii owners who did not by a WiiU. We are not important to Nintendo and it is the worst selling Nintendo home console in their history. These ports are not for us at the end of the day. Hold onto your WiiU if you want to play WiiU games you have bought already. Sure that's what everyone else will be doing. Look at the dreamcast, I still have mine even though most of those games were ported.

(I'm an idiot though, I'll prob pick up a few ports

Nintendo need to get some 3rd party exclusives , GTA 6 .... Watch nx fly off the shelves

@Nintendo_Ninja That's just the thing: if they want to reach a broader audience (and they do, or else they will be stuck with only 12 million sales again) then they will focus on people that haven't played these titles yet. Take yourself (and other Wii U owners) out of the equation for a while, and consider what Nintendo has to do as a business, and that is attract new customers fast, with a broad range of titles.

And then re-releasing some of your best games as slightly more polished updates makes a lot of sense.

I think that for Wii U owners this is only worth considering if they truly want to own every version of a game, but more likely they should focus on newer titles, by for example going for the NX version of Zelda instead of the Wii U version, and I'm assuming that if there is even a small percentage of truth to the third parties being positive about the hardware, that we'll have quite a few titles from them as well, so there will be enough choices if all that is true.

Nobody says we have to buy these Wii U titles again. If you want to, you can, but it will primarily be for newer audiences.

@readyletsgo PS4K/PS4.5 isn't going to be any threat whatsoever, since Sony isn't going to shaft over 40 million PS4 owners, so I expect that the main platform for most of the games will still be the regular PS4, and only VR games and a few special titles will go to the PS4.5. (and remember: people that want that experience have to spend a lot of cash. PS4.5+PSVR+PS Camera=around a $1000, so it's definitely not for everyone)

The better hardware is necessary to fully complement PSVR, which apparently the normal PS4 isn't powerful enough for. It's a bit like the 3DS/New 3DS, only instead of a handheld it's a better and faster console.

If the NX is noticeably more powerful than the PS4, chances are that the PS4.5 isn't even that more powerful, since power in consoles comes at a cost, since you can only stuff so much in an enclosed box and still have it be compatible with all the older software.

My other expectation is that Sony will be pushing UHD Blu-Rays and what better platform for that than a new and more powerful PS4? And of course with the added bonus of being able to watch movies in VR mode.

@BensonUii See my comment above this one. PS4.5 isn't going to steal any of NX's thunder.

People seem to expect the craziest things, but that is simply not going to happen, and also no "NX dead on arrival" or "Nintendo doomed because of PS4.5" scenarios.

Here's a very well written article on the possible options for PS4.5:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-in-theory-playstation-4k-is-real-but-why-is-sony-making-it

That should effectively curb any unrealistic expectations...

Rumours!

Rumours Everywhere!!

@cleveland124

I agree, I don't think this is going to fix their problems with 3rd parties. It's at least a step in the right direction.

Assuming the rumours are true, they're addressing the hardware side of things making it easier for developers to get their games running on their system. I don't know much about game development or the tech specs of consoles, but it's my understanding that Nintendo have always been harder to code for. But again, I don't know much about that.

I think they've got many issues with getting third parties on board though, as you said. The hardest one for them to tackle is the 'such and such type of game just doesn't sell on Nintendo'. A shift in their image may be needed.

I also think that EA are in Microsoft's pocket and there's some evil monopolising going down. So any support from them will be lacklustre and short lived. But that's another story...

@TheRealThanos

I just don't see how ports will expand Nintendo's audience. My gaming friends know about Nintendo and they don't care about those games. If Nintendo some how convinced them to buy an NX they may pick up one of those games, but they aren't buying a system for them.

I'm not sure what to think of PS4.5 until I know more. It seems there was alot of rumors about an Xbox 1.5 and those are now dead now. My guess is that instead of segregating the market like you say, they'll see how successful VR is. If VR is very successful, then PS4 could have a PS3 like 7 year life and a PS5 would come out in 2020. If VR isn't successful, they may try to shorten the PS4 life to a traditional 5 year life and come out with a PS5 in 2018. In the latter case it could put Nintendo back into an underpowered alternative. And honestly, if Nintendo has that much power and a tablet controller I'm really concerned about them bringing a $500 console to the market at a time the others will be sub $300.

I'm increasingly thinking I'll pass on NX and continue with my Wii U/PC setup but never say never, I guess.

@Moon The "always harder to code for" rumor is complete BS. That's something that first surfaced with the Wii U, and is now being plastered all over Nintendo's entire console range, same as the BS about Nintendo "always" having the weaker consoles.

The N64 and GameCube had their own troubles, but like Wii U it had more to do with optimization efforts, than with being weaker. (data space confinement due to cartridges and smaller discs to name the most important issue)

@cleveland124 Well, you may not see it, but I'm telling you as a sales & marketing professional that from a business standpoint it makes more than perfect sense. Better to try to reach a new audience than always wonder what could have been...

And with all due respect, but a small demographic of friends and family isn't representative of a worldwide console audience. If NX will be a success, then I will assure you that most of these re-releases will sell like crazy. Not only because they are good titles, but also because they were (for the most part) simply unknown to most of the people that will potentially buy the NX.

@BensonUii I fully expect the updated PS4 to have these capabilities. With them being one of the promoters of UHD Blu-rays and UHD streaming content, they'll practically have to. And so they will...

It's seeming more likely that the NX is just a more powerful Wii U. The 1st year of NX will be nothing but Wii U remasters and big 3rd party titles (the 3rd party titles being the reason to buy the console) and then the new 1st party games starting around November 2017 so they can say Wii U hasn't been completely abandoned.

@TheRealThanos I always put it down to third parties either being lazy or needing an excuse as to why they're not bothering with Nintendo anymore, personally.

@TheRealThanos yeah true, I have a ps4, love the thing but I won't be upgrading, but a lot of ps4 owners who own the camera and horrible 'move' controllers already will at launch (40million consoles sold I think now) and trade on their ps4, to pay for it as they won't lose any if their download games (unlike Nintendo which I hope changes with the NX). It's a dangerous game Sony could play for future consoles in my eyes, I don't want to be upgrading all my systems every two years, NX is an exception to this rule.

I've been thinking, if it's true zelda u comes to the NX at launch then I will definitely buy an NX, that's one (albeit unimportant in the grand scheme of sales) sale secured for Nintendo. But I will also pick up the WiiU version just to have, don't want a TP GCN situation to happen again for me

@cornishlee

I have all Wii/PS3/Xbox360. With my "finding" of steam, I went to Wii U/PC as you. I've really enjoyed the benefit I've gotten out of PC games and will probably not pick up a PS4/Xbox1. I've decided I'm going all in on Wii U, which means buying Amibos, etc. that I hate if it's the best experience. But all this nickel and diming has taken a toll on me. I'm waiting until the NX has been on the market for a couple of years before I decide if I should take the plunge.

@Grumblevolcano No, that will not be the case and is a VERY pessimistic view solely based on a few as of yet possible re-releases. Remember: Kimishima specifically stated that the NX platform is destined to completely move away from the Wii family of consoles, so it will most definitely NOT "simply" be a more powerful Wii U...

@readyletsgo Well, like I said: that newer PS4 isn't aimed at everyone. Just the people that want to play VR games and have the cash to spend for that.

If that's not your thing, then you can fully expect complete support for your regular PS4 for years to come.

Way too many rumours on this website lately. I hardly find any reason to check the news here anymore ...

@Moon In all honesty, optimization can take a hell of a lot of time, and if money and market share are involved, then the consideration lies with what kind of return on investment can be made on that effort, and that in turn decides the final profit margin.

If that isn't worth all the extra time needed, then no company with any kind of a working brain will invest in that. It sucks for Nintendo gamers, but from a business point of view it makes perfect sense.

@TheRealThanos

What do you sell/market? As a business person I think it's backwards. I didn't say if NX was a success those games wouldn't sell, but I think Nintendo needs to focus on system sellers for the NX and then bring those games as fillers. It takes time/money to develop games and using those resources now means foregoing games that could have a wider appeal.

I also question that there really is a lack of knowledge of those games at this point. I believe the average person buys games off aisle marketing. There were 30+ million MK Wii owners. I can't believe they didn't pass MK8 and ask if it would play on their Wii? Then being told they needed a $300 Wii U said no thanks. Wii Sports sold the Wii and the other Nintendo franchises were the benefactor. NX needs it's Wii Sports, not it's Wii U, or Wii, or Gamecube, etc. games.

@cleveland124 Might be that the eurogamer article I posted about PS4K in a previous comment is an interesting read for you. It's quite a realistic set of possibilities concerning where that could end up going.

@MajinSoul not really. This news is from last week. NL seem to do a round up of the rumours once or twice a week. Have a look on other Nintendo news sites or even YouTube for the real crazy amount of 'rumours'.

NL is doing a great job at keeping the rumour Mill at a low until official news comes out. It's a credit to them.

When the project cafe rumour mill was in full swing years back this site was reporting on nearly EVERY little rumour and leak.

Oh look, another rumour.

@cleveland124 I'm in b2b IT sales, 15 years of experience. And before that, I did telecom and home security systems...

But besides that, my knowledge can be applied on any market, and obviously on my own hobbies too. I agree that these titles should not be used as a main course, but they are good representatives of missed chances for people that never had a Wii U, so as long as Nintendo offers these titles alongside new first party and third party titles, then they'll do just fine, and attract some new gamers to older games as well. Win-win from where I'm standing...

@cleveland124 Oh, and you be surprised at what people miss. I once did a marketing research on super markets (your aisles comment made me think of that) as a side project, and it showed that people only "know" what interests them or what they are specifically looking for.

Unless it is placed at specific strategic points in the store, at which point customer focus is automatically drawn towards it. It's all smoke and mirrors, marketing. But it is very effective and the average human is way more easily influenced than you might think.

@TheRealThanos

I guess my problem is if Nintendo is providing the main course and the fillers, that means that a 3rd party presence is probably not onboard, and Nintendo's ability to keep a full release schedule will again be tested. I just don't really see how this is different than a Wii U HD.

Since where has this even been confirmed as a handheld/console hybrid? Nowhere, that's where

@TheRealThanos Well you can easily do that by giving the console a name nothing like "Wii U", making the console look different and changing specs to the "Gamepad" whether like making the "Gamepad" the NX handheld and/or the actual design being different (e.g. the rumoured NX controller that was confirmed fake).

@TheRealThanos

I'm not really sure how comparable super markets are. I know my wife creates a list and goes for specific items, not looking to be tempted by new items. Whereas I sometimes like to peruse the video game aisle just to see if there are any releases that slipped by my knowledge. Since they are all together I always take a quick inventory on what is available on other consoles and if it interests me.

The aisle comment is correct, but without moneyhats (which is very unlikely) the NX will likely get old Wii U space which wouldn't seem to be any benefit to them. That would place a large reliance on traditional marketing campaigns which Nintendo usually does worse than Sony/Microsoft with a smaller budget.

@Grumblevolcano Kimishima meant the architecture, the environment and the approach, so changing a name or a label has nothing to do with that. In all honesty, they couldn't even have continued with PPC related architecture if they wanted to: they would have to let someone make new custom chips based on tech that is no longer officially supported and that would make them once again the odd man out with "alien" architecture compared to the other two.

No, x86 and/or ARM is fully expected by anyone with half a brain or more. Which, to be on the safe side, is meant in general and not as an insult directed at you.

@TheRealThanos You misunderstood, by more powerful Wii U I was including the stuff like changing from PPC to x86/ARM. From the rumours, I imagine the NX as being what the Wii U would've been if on x86/ARM, specs similar to the competition and no backwards compatibility.

I think the handheld part is going to be more powerful than the vita.

@cleveland124 All large supermarkets have similar strategies. I wasn't looking at the 7-11 or any other small outlet.

And your wife only thinks she sticks strictly to the list. Or maybe only most of the times. Sometimes she will come home with some offer because it was "buy one, get one free" or something similar. Most people actually tell themselves: "well, I actually needed that anyway, so it's a good thing that it's a special offer today" and buy not only two, but more likely four or six, which actually makes it more expensive instead of cheaper.

And ever wondered why all these offers are at the end of an aisle or right next to the cash register while you're waiting in line to check out?

As for looking at games: if I take myself as an example, then I can assure you that I only look at games that are of use to me, so for consoles that I actually own. I see no use in looking at games that I'll never play anyway, so I'll skip these.

The only reason I would look at them is if I was planning on buying another console and I had to decide which one based on the games on offer, but that is only once every couple of years.

Agreed on the bad marketing of Nintendo. The Wii U campaign made my eyes roll to the back of my head, but what with the tentatively good steps they have now already made with DeNA going into mobile, having Kimishima as their leader (and check this guy's resumé; he has a nearly spotless track record of continuous successes) and early signs of promising responses from outside sources, we may yet see them return to success.

But time will tell. The financial meeting is due on the 27th of April, and I'm pretty confident that we'll be hearing some stuff soon after that, and well before this year's E3.

@BensonUii Yes, Sony did indeed do that, making the public think they were much more customer friendly than Microsoft, which in reality they actually weren't at all. They were just smarter, letting Microsoft pave the way for them and not repeating their mistakes. And it payed off big time...

@NinChocolate That's right. Emily is real.

@Grumblevolcano Ah, my bad. Forget the snarky comment then...

NX launch line-up confirmed. Also virtual console games.

All of this talk about Wii U backwards compatibility is premature. I read this as sort of like Wii VC games on Wii U. There are features on Wii U that you don't get with your Wii VC games. The same may hold true for Wii U games remade on NX. There may be a unique interface (portable play maybe) that only works with games designed for NX. Maybe you can still play Smash at home in Wii U mode, but if you want to take advantage of portable play, you need the NX version. It could also be a way of extending the lives of these internet heavy Wii U games that would die out otherwise.

I haven't bought smash bros yet. I winder if we get a discount for transferring Wii u game to nx.

Even more unsubstantiated rumors. I can't wait until Nintendo actually reveals this thing already.

@Moon Agreed! The "Wii" brand is dead. They have to start fresh!

@smashbrolink I so agree with Smash Run in HD. Honestly they should have done that to begin with and just scrapped Smash Tour.

This makes sense if true. A lot of people enjoy Nintendo games, but not many people bought a Wii U. This could vastly help encourage people that didn't buy a Wii U to get the next console. I didn't have a Wii, and the backwards compatibility made the Wii U more tempting for me.

If there's improvements, like adding Smash Run, then I'm definitely down with Smash Bros port.

They are most likely porting games over that they feel they would still provide updates/DLC for. So it would make sense to do Splatoon, MM, or smash as a remastered version.

The only problem with this is I really hope they have at least 2 or 3 new games (maybe with 1 new IP) releasing for the NX. Otherwise, it'll be the Wii U launch all over again.

@Moon hmm last time I checked all gaming consoles are just updated versions of the last gen.ps4 just beefed up ps3.I do own all versions of playstation.as I own every Nintendo console.so I'm not hating

Also how many remastered games is in ps4? All 3 gaming company's are milking last gen games

I don't know why anyone is excited for this, considering they've spent the best part of the last year lambasting the Wii U as a whole, now they're desperate for ports. For some reason. But at least the usual lot are still complaining about the usual things so there's consistency there at least.

Also necessary RumourLife comment because it's funny.

I don't think it's about milking last gen titles as much as it is preserving the player communities across the generational shift. I bet they're planning on moving Smash and Splatoon to NX, and then keep them alive there. If you can play cross platform with Wii U owners, even better.

@TheRealThanos "No, x86 and/or ARM is fully expected by anyone with half a brain or more."

No need to be this aggressive just because someone had an opinion different from yours.

PPC isn't dead, it seems IBM is still releasing new versions. As for it being "alien", this is quiet new. Current gen is the first time everyone is trying to have the same architecture (AMD64 in this case). Before that, every console had its own architecture and it was just fine. Look how many games could be shared by consoles like PS2, GC and XB. Plus the fact 3rd parties love to use (and abuse) high-level software that dumb down the development to the extreme, and make it possible to produce games for pretty much any platform.

I personally conceder POWER, x86 and ARM to all be viable options. Also the few desktop machine that tried to bring a home console experience to the ARM family (like the Shield console) aren't that impressive when it comes to performance. And as we all know, graphics are the only things that matter in gaming (duh...).

The PPC proved to be a good choice in the past and many devs have a lot of experience with it. x86 is fine, but I am afraid of what would happen if the market suddenly consisted solely of 3 nearly identical consoles. It would not make much sense.

For once I like most of what I hear about Nintendo's plans. But then again, we only have rumors so far.

It will be great if Wii U is more powerful than ps4, although power isn't really important... I just bought a laptop that is more powerful than the ps4. The ps4 is just a basically POS PC in terms of GPU at least. I want Nintendo to keep up the creativity in the controls to make the console different than a PC in a substantial way.

If NX is not backwards combative with Wii U discs then I'm fine with this. I just hope they price this right, we all know Nintendo doesn't like to lose money on hardware.

While I completely understand the thought and reasoning behind the ports, some I would agree with, and some I would not. In the end, this is going to sound hypocritical, but hey, who's not a hypocrite in some way.

Zelda Wii U is a given. The likelihood of this selling the number that Nintendo wants it to sell is minuscule. The low install base just makes it a have to considering how much money that has most likely been spent on the game.

Super Smash Bros. is set up easily for a GOY edition. The content was huge, and you are not going to get another of these games any time soon. I'm okay with that.

Super Mario Maker might has well be a port. I mean just keep updating it with new content, and that is just fine. There is no need to reinvent the wheel on this one. I doubt I would repurchase this one. I like the functionality of the Wii U Gamepad.

Here is the hypocritical part. I don't think we need a port of Splatoon. I think a sequel would be great. This is basically there Call of Duty, and if you had the three previous games lined up to ship day one, why not announce the Splatoon Sequel for the Spring. I don't think I'd buy it again.

@Project_Dolphin I'll stand by my points and time will tell who is closer to the truth but obviously, for now it is all assumptions and estimates, since none of us actually know anything, except some of us can indeed comment from a certain perspective. Not to say that this means they are more knowledgeable by definition, but still...

I'm also wondering if the "it's not about Wii U" part is directed at me, since I never said it was about Wii U, since it absolutely isn't.

I also vehemently disagree that this is a "safe" or even worse, timid action on account of Nintendo. It could potentially be a marketing home run: there's millions of people claiming that they would absolutely want to play Mario Kart or even Splatoon if it was on their own console, but they won't buy an extra console for just one or two games, so they leave it for what it is: a missed opportunity.

Now, provided that Nintendo largely makes the right decisions, and they attract and retain third parties long term, then there is absolutely no reason to not consider the NX as a serious purchase instead of a PS4 or Xbox One, or even as an additional console.

Analysts and most gaming websites would probably agree, because it's all based on simple logic.

@Kroko Good job reading my entire comment and the following comments between me and the person that comment was meant for. Your taking it well out of context...

@Kroko and with alien I just meant that they would once again have a completely different architecture in comparison to the other two, and that is simply not going to happen. Believe what you want, but anything PPC based is not a viable option.

The only way I am buying it is if there is 3rd party support. I went to the PS4 because Nintendo stopped making sports games and racing games. It works on a different operating system than NX so don't worry PS4 still trumps. Nintendo really lost my faith in making consoles since the Wii U. The Wii was so fun playing games were you had to swing the Wii mote to throw, drive, or swing Links sword. I used to be a big fan of Nintendo but then they went to that tablet and they tried to compete with that it just seems they lost there way. I really do hope though that Nintendo comes back to console relevance. They used to have top of the line graphics. Oh, well if they don't I will keep playing Star Wars Battle Front, the Final Fantasy games and Kingdom Hearts when they come out. I have a 2DS which is why I come to this site.

@Project_Dolphin totally ironic, especially when one remembers the reaction to one of the most expensive and longtime production ports/remasters Nintendo has ever done- Twilight Princess HD, for those not aware it wasn't a good reaction at all. Yet I know these very same people are in favour of Wii U ports that will be way more budget priced than TPHD. There is an obvious reason why they're like this that I've discussed in the NX thread but it's just more evidence as to why they shouldn't be taken seriously.

Nintendo will postphone de NX for next year just like it did with Zelda. And it's very logic that it bring some of the WiiU success for NX so it can raise purchases. They already know that WiiU is being abandoned. About handheld, well they announced pokemon sun and moon so I think the 3DS will stick for a while.

This looks more like a port job than a remaster. And it makes some sense. Splatoon & SSB4 both have online communities. With cross platform support of the same game Nintendo will be able to keep those existing users and expand upon it. This would also mean that the NX is likely not backwards compatible.

How about just make the NX backwards compatible instead of making ports? That way, anyone who didn't get a Wii U can still play the must-have games in its library and development time and money doesn't have to go into remasters/ports/definitive editions/HD versions/etc...

And, you know, it's not like that'd cut profits for Nintendo or anything. They could also put that development money into bringing the Wii U eShop library over to the NX so people have the option to buy Splatoon, Super Mario Maker, Smash, and so on straight from Nintendo.

I'm just really not in favor of ports to recent games. Wii remasters on NX? Fine. GameCube? N64? SNES? Go for it. Wii U remasters...? No. That just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. There's an audience for it as evidenced by the PS4 and One launches, but I personally don't get it. Cross-generation releases also fall into this category, but I've been more lenient with them on Nintendo systems (Wii and Wii U specifically) because it's not usually a straight port with slightly better visuals, it's the same game with a different way to play (Wiimote and Nunchuck vs. GameCube Controller).

I suppose Splatoon ought to get er proper sequel anyway.

Certainly deserves it with the sales it's been garnering, and there's a lot of things that could be improved upon, despite the solid platform.

Add Mario Kart 8 to that list (with all DLC)... make the ported titles $19.99 "select" downloads (except maybe Zelda)... and have a SM64/Galaxy successor available at launch... and Nintendo will have a chance at a successful launch.

Would be a nice gesture if people who own these remakes for Wii U would be given a free NX uprade download! . . . given the unreasonably short life of the Wii U and the low number of quality titles we've had in comparison to the other 2 consoles. . . it seems like it's the least Nintendo could do for the fans that have stood by them throughout the Wii U life cycle.

@Captain_gonru

A companion app for ipads and phones could be equally useful. Instead asking consumers to pay for a large controller, then can use an item they already own and have by their side.

I'm pretty sure the next console will be more powerful than the PS4 (or at least on par). The PS4 isn't that powerful anyway and it would be a familiar pattern, seeing how the Wii U is slightly more powerful than the Xbox 360.
Other than that, I don't give a squid on what those rumours claim, they're only rumours. It's imaginable that those ports will come, but I'd prefer straight backward compatibility.

@fluggy Free upgrades would be a nice solution, but I don't get what you mean with "given the unreasonably short life of the Wii U and the low number of quality titles we've had in comparison to the other 2 consoles".
There are 5 years between Wii U and NX and that's totally normal. For your comparison: There were 5 years between SNES and N64, N64 and Gamecube, Gamecube and Wii and Wii and Wii U. All of those consoles lived one additional year though, the Wii U will probably also live until 2018.
In fact, the only time when it took 8 years until there was a new console was between NES and SNES.
And I'd argue that the Wii U has more quality titles than the other two consoles.

@kyuubikid213 It's not trivial to make a console backward compatible. In this case, it would most likely require Nintendo to use a PowerPC CPU similar to those that were used in GC, Wii and Wii U. If they chose to do that, the problem would remain that Nintendo's hardware differs a lot from the competitors', which is - I assume - one of the reasons Nintendo usually get mediocre third party support.

@shani Wii U's lifespan would be 4 years, not 5. It came out in 2012, not 2011.

@Grumblevolcano Yeah and 2012 till 2017 are 5 years.

@Pahvi "a large part of the launch lineup"

Nobody anywhere has mentioned any of the ports as part of the launch line-up, just that they are being worked on. Launch would likely consist of Zelda NX, Pikmin 4 and some "amiibo Land" or "amiibo Sports" type game. And FFXV would seal the deal if Nintendo could make that happen. (Just wishful thinking) Ports are for later. Zelda U/NX is more of a dual release. happens on PS3/PS4 and Xbox360/Xbox One all the time.

@LiamR "Mario Maker NX game is real"

How will SMM work on NX? Are they shipping NX w/ Gamepad 2? - a sure sign of financial disaster and Wii U comparisons; is the Gamepad NX compatible- which I think is likely for all 13mil of us - or will the 4DS double as the Gamepad when it releases probably next year? I just can't see SMM working w/o a tablet of some sort, and I can't see NX shipping w/ a tablet, it's cost prohibitive.

My thoughts in general -

NX is a PS4/Xbox One clone named "Nintendo something". Emphasis on "Nintendo" to match their new emphasized marketing. Not "Next", not "Extra", too obvious. Something unusual but not relatable to Wii. But knowing Nintendo, "Nintendo Home Console" is possible, followed by "Nintendo Portable Console". They're insane.

It will probably be a stand alone Home console - as much as I'd like a hybrid Wii U2 it just doesn't seem likely - that will work w/ the NXDS next year, then SMM and Splatoon can be ported. Splatoon port will release near Spla2oon just so non-Wii U owners can play it - see Bayonetta 1.

SSB port makes sense. About $100 of DLC, add that in for "SSB Complete" for $60 and people have a reason to buy it, or repurchase it, on NX, and give poor Sakurai a break and let him make KI:U2 for NX. Mixing the 2 versions into 1 huge same game would also be nice. Just make sure to ad in separate save files on NX, stupid Nintendo ruined SSB on WiU for me.

Nintendo financial meeting is April 27th. SFZ releases April 22. Monday April 25 would be a really good time for a Ntinedo Direct showcasing what the NX hardware is, leaving the game showcase for E3. At least that could cut down on rumours a little bit.

@Slim1999 Generally on PS4 (I own that, I can't say about XBOX1) remasters have been mainly "definitive editions" or "collections".

There are very few remasters (if not any) with just the vanilla game and nothing else.....
PS4 library is now absolutely packed with original titles, with pretty high standards, both in AAA and indies. The store is huge and pretty complicate to navigate. The only remaster I would pray for is Demon Souls actually...

@shani 2012 and 2016 is 4.

@hiptanaka Power and hardware do come into play, but that's not all there is to it. If Nintendo made something that still used PowerPC and was slightly underpowered, but sold like hotcakes, third parties would jump on it regardless.

And no, it's not trivial to make a console backwards compatible, but it wouldn't hurt to have. Wii and Wii U are backwards compatible. Pretty much all of Nintendo's portable consoles are backwards compatible. Even the One's got some backwards compatibility.

Again, I'm just against previous generation remakes/remasters. I'd much rather have backwards compatibility.

The Wii U was only released 3 1/2 years ago. They've been talking about NX for 6 months now... 3 yrs is not along time before introducing the name of another console. PS4 was released 2 1/2 years ago. Do you think Sony will announce the PS5 within next 6 months? As for quality titles ... I love my Wii U .. Handful of great games that I still play frequently BUT... MGSV , Witcher 3, Arkham Knight, Far Cry, Uncharted 4/collection, Outlast, Journey, Firewatch, LBP 3, GoW, The Division, Hitman. . . (thats just a fraction-ive got 126 QUALITY games on my PS4) there really is no comparison.

@fluggy Funny thing, Sony's already talking about the PS4.5 or PS4K...whatever you want to call it.

Source.

@kyuubikid213 That has NOTHING to do with a PS5!!!

@fluggy I was only saying that Sony's got talk of a new system coming out.

My biggest concern is that if they are making so many ports (I hope not) then BC is out the window. This is the reason the PS4 annoys me so much, all of the PS3 ports, sure there are great new games (most of which are not out yet, but they "look" good), but why not just allow for BC, everyone stays happy, except investors I guess.

@Grumblevolcano A 2016 release is impossible. If it was to release this year, they would have to already have announced it officially.
I mentioned this before somewhere and listed the rumour-official announcement-release cycles of all previous Nintendo consoles and the cycles were always nearly the same, overall two years.
I don't want to go back and look up all the numbers, so to make this quick, only the last console: Wii U's first rumours emerged in 2010, official announcement in 2011, release in 2012.
If you don't believe me, look it up on Wikipedia, it's all there.

Almost everyone's acting like a little child that's constantly shouting "I want that shiny new toy now!" But we have to wait longer and be patient. There is neither an official announcement nor an official name.
You people seem to forget the processes that correspond with a console's release. It has to be officially announced, enough units have to be produced and shipped etc.

It's like 85% of the people online are ignoring these facts and instead claiming "it's coming this year, it's coming this year" with no basis whatsoever. I don't get it. Do you want the next console to release earlier or do you want the Wii U to live longer? Because if it's the latter, you're not doing yourself a favor. If the whole internet is crying "it's coming 2016", this could make the investors nervous and eventually lead to a premature release. That would be a desaster.

When Iwata mentioned NX during the DeNA announcement, he did so to prevent any rumours. If he hadn't, you would be shouting "Nintendo is abandoning consoles!". He mentioned it way before its time and his only goal was to prevent rumours.
But almost everyone is doing exactly the opposite and spreading unfounded rumours.
I'm sure Mr. Iwata is turning in his grave right now because of all this rumouring. If you want to honor him, stop that nonsense already.

@kyuubikid213 Sure, and of course they're hoping/counting on reaching a larger audience than Wii U, but it's quite a step from there to make third parties pick their unique platform over PC+PS4+XBone.

@RoomB31 And that's only weird to me because they kind of have backwards compatibility with PSNow, but that's a subscription service instead of just letting you download the game. And I know that's streaming the game to the PS4 and not running it off of the hardware itself, but...I dunno. Microsoft put the money into backwards compatibility...why shouldn't Sony? Why shouldn't Nintendo keep doing so?

@hiptanaka It'd certainly be a challenge. However, that's not to say that if Nintendo went with x86 next time around that they'd suddenly find themselves with third party titles.

For that, they'd basically have to make their own PS or Xbox. We'd have three of the same system on the market. The only difference would be exclusives.

I can't say I'm surprised by this news. Wii U did not sell very well, and to be quite honest I think it's actually a smart move by Nintendo, to bring out the most popular games for Wii U for people who missed out on it. I personally won't be buying any of the NX ports since I have them all for Wii U and I am keeping my Wii U. But good news (well, rumors) for people who want an NX but missed out on Wii U.

@Lizuka It happened with The Last of Us on PS4.

I'll just repost what I wrote on YouTube:

"Smash coming to the NX brings up a problem. With the way Smash is titled, 3DS & Wii U, each one has their differences and are considered different versions. Will this also apply to the NX? After all, if it's titled Super Smash Bros. for NX, it can technically be considered it's own version (assuming this is remastered) and it wouldn't be compatible online with Wii U (just like how 3DS isn't). If this turns out to be the case, then new content could be added or mixed from Wii U & 3DS, plus DLC would be packaged on the disc (with some as unlockables). I definitely would like to see 8-player Smash online, or Smash Run (online). The NX could be capable of this."

Zelda, Smash Bros., and Mario Maker should be guarantees. Zelda for obvious reasons (no one will buy the Wii U one after NX's launch), Mario Maker because you can't exactly make a sequel to that game and you want that community to continue, and Smash Bros. because we're not guaranteed a fifth game from Sakurai. Splatoon? Honestly, just make a sequel with two-player online and a better single player campaign.

If true, I'll be trading my WiiU in and ask kindly for a Bayonetta 1&2 remaster with a rock solid 60fps please

@shani I used to think NX was 2017 for awhile but after the March Direct I figured 2016 is more likely. Key things included:
. Only 1 newly announced game (Paper Mario Color Splash)
. No Zelda U
. All known 2016 Wii U games except Zelda U and Paper Mario Color Splash are 1st half of 2016.
. Hyrule Warriors Wii U getting shafted on the extra Adventure maps and Legend mode stories.

I'd love to be wrong but all signs seem to point towards 2016. Another thing is that the XB1 is proof that it's not too late to announce and release NX in the same year, it was announced a few weeks before E3 2013 and released holiday 2013.

@Lizuka People didn't buy a Wii U because they couldn't play many games on it. Sure, it has great first party games, but those were so few and far between. With third party support, on top of these first party games, it's MUCH more likely to sell.

@Grumblevolcano PS4 and X1 both announced and released in the same year. One launch was successful (PS4) and one was awful (X1).

@kyuubikid213 The Last Of Us was a success on PS4 because many gamers (me included) had a 360 as last gen console and switched to Sony for current gen.

@retro_player_22 a) They would lose so much money if they sold all of those REMASTERS (not HD ports) for $20 physical copies, and b) why do you want so many remasters? That's not what sells consoles. That's a niche market for people like you and I, and as a collector, I already own most of those games and their consoles.

@Yorumi You don't know this at all. Most signs indicate that they will at least start off with strong support. There have been leaks that insist it's much easier to design games for the NX and that developers are happy with the specs, plus some major developers have already been vocal about potentially bringing games to the NX (Dragon Quest, EA, a few indie devs). You think Nintendo puts Cloud into Smash if they weren't promised an NX port of FFVII Remake? Keep in mind, that game isn't a PS4 exclusive. It's merely released for the PS4 first.

@NowhereMan11 #183 PS4 was announced in February though, it's now mid-April. That's why I didn't mention it.

Nintendo should move forward with new games for the NX, and not old Wii U games.

If anyone wants to play these games then buy them and play them now.

@Pahvi "Blah, I'm stopping here - no reason to spend energy on speculations upon rumours."

But that's all there is left to do on Nintendo Life these days.

Well since I'm here, I don think PS4 got any of those "Remasters" it became famous for - TLoU, GTAV - near launch. Now it did get a lot of multiplats like Skylanders and Assasins Creed, games on all 4 consoles - PS3/4, Xb360/1 - but that's not the same thing, those games were just released as "new games', not remasters, since they released at the same time. If Zelda U/NX release at the same time - as the same game - then I woudln't count Zelda as a "port" or "remaster" either. If Zelda NX is 3 months later w/ a female Link I still woudln't consider it a "remaster', just a "port", but sometimes it seems like half the industry is made up of ports so what's the big deal? If Zelda skips Wii U then that would be a big deal, but even insane Nintendo cant be that oblivious. Oh, and Paper Mario Color Splash may be a port at launch, depending on when it releases on Wii U.

@zool I agree, but Smash and Mario Maker are different stories. Those are competitive/online games with huge communities. Mario Maker will continue to be played without a sequel and the NX install base will probably be much higher. Smash, on the other hand, isn't guaranteed a fifth release, at least from Sakurai, and you know fans would crucify Nintendo without a Smash game on one of their home consoles.

@Grumblevolcano Yeah but that's Microsoft, not Nintendo. Nintendo has a totally different tradition.

I also don't see game releases as an indicator for console releases.
Sure, Zelda U will most likely get a remaster/port on the next console, which is not bad at all if you ask me.
And it's not 100% impossible that the next console will be released in the 2016/2017 holiday season, since the Wii for example came out just in time for christmas. But still, it would be very unusual and a renunciation of previous patterns. I doubt that Iwata had that in mind when he talked about NX back then. But I'm not ruling out that the new leadership might forget their pants and give in to the pressure that's coming from the internet and the investors.
But if that should happen, I blame the internet for that. In that case the next console would be doomed and that could be a critical blow for Nintendo.

Still, it would make a lot more sense to me if they announced it with an official name on E3 or so and then released it next year. I just hope Nintendo's leaders will stay strong...

@shani - please mind your pants

I was a stupid to think that Nintendo needed a new Metroid, a new F-Zero, a proper Fire Emblem to sell more consoles...
I can already imagine hordes of PS4 gamers spending their money on the almighty NX to finally play Splatoon, Mario Maker and Smash Bros. in glorious 1080p 60fps!

Well, if this is true does that mean that the NX home console controller has a screen on it? That'd be very nice.
The only game I see having a release on NX is Zelda U, really. What's the point in releasing MK8 and Sm4sh on the NX as remasters? I'd like them but those are just ways for Nintendo to make a quick buck. I'd rather take new games rather than ports or remasters. Of course, Nintendo could always do a re-release of the best Wii U games on home console NX like they did with the earlier Pikmin titles.

I really just think the "Handheld element" is simply a VR headset.

@Yorumi LOL there was no support. Developers were pissed that the console was packed in with the gamepad and no traditional controller, and they were pissed that it was barely stronger than the 360 and PS3 and significantly weaker than the PS4 and X1, which by the console's launch, they already had dev kits for. It got less than stellar ports of already released multiplat games at launch, with the only third party exclusives of significance, at least at the time, being Ninja Gaiden 3 and ZombiU.

And you're remembering the Wii's life cycle entirely wrong. The Wii's sales died down significantly in the last few years. It peaked REALLY early and had a massive lead on its competitors by then, but the PS3 and 360 all but caught up by the end of the generation because people stopped buying Wiis. It's why they pretty much completely stopped supporting it after the Wii U was released, whereas the PS3 and 360 are still receiving good support.

You're also flat out wrong about third party games on Nintendo consoles. Third party games don't sell AS WELL as Nintendo's first party games, but they aren't avoided. I think you're forgetting that games like Professor Layton, Phoenix Wright, Monster Hunter, and Yo-Kai Watch are third party games, with the latter two being among the best sellers in all of Japan, let alone on just Nintendo consoles. I'm sorry, but you're remember the last generation and the Wii U's launch COMPLETELY wrong. You're not even close to being on the money.

@Project_Dolphin Yes, software sells hardware. Software that they own do not. Remasters (unless they're full on remakes like FFVII) do not sell consoles. Remasters are also more expensive than $20 unless they are digital only. You underestimate the cost of producing physical copies. And people remember Nintendo's older games more fondly than Sony's. The reason Sony has the upper hand in producing remasters is because they have a significantly larger install base, nothing more. Nintendo has the software advantage by far.

@fluggy Wii U does have some amazing games, ones that you just go back to often, and don't get me wrong, I do want a PS4 eventually, but (and fine you didn't name all of them but...) your list doesn't show why the PS4 is the one to have, namely because all the games you listed are either on PS3, or on Windows/steam/Xbone. the one exclusive you named, isn't even out for another month. I guess it can be seen as the all inclusive console (sans Nintendo exclusives), for which I agree, and will be (once I get it) my goto for everything non Nintendo.

The NX better be backwards compatible as well...

@Project_Dolphin Who says that the NX is going to be more expensive? And there's also still a group of people that hasn't bought a PS4 or Xbox One yet, and if they see the right titles appear on NX, they may be persuaded to wait for that console instead.

And standard remasters are to be expected. Microsoft and Sony are doing it by the dozens, so why shouldn't Nintendo?

It can potentially open up a whole new public for these previously "under their potential" selling titles.

@kyuubikid213 Me and some others already tackled the whole PS4K thing a few comments earlier. It is not a new console, it's simply Sony's version of The New 3DS: a slightly updated PS4 with more processing power and memory. Nothing more, nothing less, and it is going to be aimed at the people that will want to get the most out of PSVR, which will be a niche market at best, since the majority of Playstation fans will not want to spend that much cash simply for a few VR specific games.

@shani Aside from the fact that you may have a point (although I don't necessarily agree with it) I find it to be in very poor taste to use the death of Mr. Iwata as a means to emphasize a point.

To use your own words: "If you want to honor him, stop that nonsense already." And that is putting it mildly...

@Yorumi These games not being meant for current Wii U owners may have something to do with that... The more important target audience will be people that previously missed out on these titles because of not having a Wii U. I already addressed that in previous comments, so feel free to read those for a more elaborate view on that.

@Yorumi The literal version of that unprecedented support was only ever expressed by EA, and we all know how that went...

@arnoldlayne83 ""they have released a new console filling it with remasters" (cit. Nintendo fans mocking Ps4)."

Very true. Nintendo fan boys complained about PS4 and Xbox One for their HD ports and now they are super happy because HD ports are coming to NX. Also, they complained about DLC last gen and now they are happy to pay over €150 for Super Smash Bros. DLC. Where have the common sense and coherence gone?

@NowhereMan11 OK, maybe a new Smash, I agree but in four years time. After the new Mario Kart, Wave Race, Super Mario NX, and loads of other games.

@VanillaLake Who's happy about it?? not me. An HD port is fine, if its been two gens, which is why WindWaker was so welcome, Twilight Princess is borderline, and why I would welcome more gamecube ports. But porting PS3 to PS4 is silly and cash grabby, and they only do it because Backwards compatibility isn't on the table.

@ROBLOGNICK i wouldnt count on bc anyway. if nx wants to be able to compete with xbone and ps4, it has to be an x86 system

@TheRealThanos It wasn't to prove my point, I genuinely think he didn't want this outcome. He certainly thought long about mentioning NX or not, I'm sure he didn't take that decision lightly. And as he said himself, he wanted to reassure the public that Nintendo keeps making consoles despite the new smartphone strategy. That means he was fearing possible rumours of Nintendo abandoning the console market, so all he wanted to do is prevent rumours.
Sadly, instead he just created other rumours that could possibly have an equally negative or worse effect. I'm sure that's not what he wanted.

And that's why I find all those posts dishonoring to him, because every single post that claims it will come out in 2016 does the opposite of what he probably would've wanted.

@Yorumi I don't think we can establish for a fact that making remakes isn't the way to go, the other parties are doing it as well, albeit with varying success, but like I said: it offers new adapters the option to experience these titles for the first time since they probably never even bothered buying a Wii U, but they still would have liked to see a Mario or a Zelda game on their own console.

If the NX offers an interesting deal, then more people will buy it, and we as Nintendo gamers must take ourselves out of the equation if we are to assess the impact of these remakes. I'm not going to buy them and neither is the majority of Nintendo gamers, so we are not the target for these games and as such we also shouldn't feel any negativity towards these re-releases. It's simply a logical business move to expand on the new first party and third party titles to make sure that they have a decent library of games to start off the NX home console.

@shani even so, the remark was still in VERY bad taste, You could have put it differently.

In other news: Nintendo is going to be hosting a presentation:
http://pr311jm731.mapyourshow.com/6_0/alphalist.cfm?alpha=N

Knowing Nintendo these claims are most likely false. Anyway I've already decided I won't be getting the home console, as I just don't think Nintendo has what it takes to build a competent and competitive console anymore. Even if the NX does end up being somewhat powerful, it'll be best to wait skip this generation and see if they can support it well, then see how the history of the NX affects the next console. The Wii had a hugely negative impact on the Wii U, which in turn will only have a negative impact on the NX.
Anyway I would rather get a portable anyway. Once Nintendo releases their next STANDALONE portable, I'll wait a couple years for it to get decent games, and for the hardware refresh to come that will fix the major issues with the launch model.
For now I'm just staking out on the fledgling Windows portable console/gaming UMPC scene. I know the GPD Win will be a real thing, but I'll be waiting to see if someone releases one that doesn't have a poor price to specs ratio and doesn't have extremely glaring design flaws (GPD's keyboard design is one of the stupidest I've ever seen).

@AVahne - Language, Timothy!

@TheRealThanos great catch Thanos!

This 99% means they will show NX at e3

@arnoldlayne83 Or just a whole bunch of games, if they're smart enough to host an NX Direct before E3 to get the hardware presentation out of the way...

So i guess this confirms that these rumors are the only thing keeping Nintendo relevant in gaming. Sad

I can see Nintendo putting its longer lasting games on the NX like the ones mentioned makes sense too them going and for new gamers who will pick up the NX.

I hope she's wrong, this make it seem like they're just going to make a new console just to fill it with makes like the other 2, even the Vita is a gigantic remake machine. Ugh why

@VanillaLake
Very true.

Likewise, Sony fanboys defended ports and remasters and DLC, yet now jump at the opportunity to mock Nintendo for it.

It kinda goes both ways.

@Project_Dolphin All depends on how you look at it. Try a neutral perspective from a non-Nintendo console owner, or a person who hasn't got any console at all and still has to make a choice. All the NX has to do is offer the exact same games as the other two, aka full third party support, and then sway the public with their unique first party IP's and their potentially interesting new capabilities as far as the hardware itself is concerned.

Seeing as they are keeping everything so close to their chest, it must at least mean something we don't know or haven't seen yet. If it is going to be something great, that is anyone's guess so far, but I see no reason to start the party with my negative shades on, so I'll remain neutral with a slight hint of excitement at all things to come...

Oh, and I meant that it's not going to be more expensive than Xbox One or PS4. We shouldn't compare the NX to the Wii U...

@Yorumi Well, like I said: to estimate the impact of these remakes, we DO have to take ourselves out of that picture, since we don't matter for it. If you like or don't like that is of no relevance whatsoever.

They NEED to reach a broader audience, these games are already here and have only achieved moderate success in relation to the competition and their market share so there's untapped potential there that NEEDS to be addressed. And it's a nice way of padding out the library to come.

If that doesn't register and we can only see things from our own perspective, then we can't have this conversation, sorry.

I could have told you that.

How much do you wanna bet there's riots when Smash NX is a straight port with no new characters?

I am hoping beyond all hope that you can use the gamepad with the nx with the SMM rumor. Just got the PS4 and while Bloodborne is awesome the tiny controller is driving me nuts as it's basically the size of the ps3 dualshock but they cramed more onto it.

Meh.

@Yorumi That's a lot of bears on the road, my friend.

The reasons they didn't buy them on Wii U are known: didn't like the kiddy console, it had no third party support, stupid controller etc. etc. ad infinitum...

That's why I said, and I can't stress this enough, that IF Nintendo does all the right things with NX and has a great start, then it WILL become an attractive system for both existing and new adapters. There's no if's, and's or but's about it.

And who the hell is saying the NX library is going to be worse? That is completely pulled out of someone's rear exit with no basis in reality. We will just have to wait and see, but some people here definitely need to take a breather (or an Alka-Seltzer) and calm the f*** down with all their negative spins on all these so far unconfirmed rumors. E3 is around the corner, so let's all just wait and see what gives.

@rjejr I wouldn't get my hopes up on news BEFORE the 27th. Traditionally, the public is always informed afterwards, so if Nintendo is going to show the NX and it's concept to investors on the 27th, then we will know soon after, but not before.

@TheRealThanos I don't see how stating the facts and logical correlations can be bad taste. If anything, I consider spreading unfounded and dangerous rumours bad taste. Not just that, almost everyone is actually disrespecting Iwata by ignoring what he said and in which context (DeNA announcement). Just as a reminder, here's a direct quote:
'As proof that Nintendo maintains strong enthusiasm for the dedicated game system business, let me confirm that Nintendo is currently developing a dedicated game platform with a brand-new concept under the development codename “NX.”'

And what I wrote has nothing to do with his death. I would've written the same if he was still alive. You have to admit, my statement can't be bad taste if it was indepent from his death.
In fact, faced with all those rumours, I'm sure he would've stated something himself if he was still alive. But since he's not, someone has to stand up against this nonsense. I'm just sick and tired of constantly reading this BS over and over again. Especially because no one seems to grasp the effect and danger of all of this. People don't think about what harm their posts could do, but sadly, nowadays the public opinion online can actually have a great effect. Usually for better, but in this case for worse.

These remasters will not be aimed at us. In terms of the big picture, nobody really bought a Wii U. Nintendo will be target people that DIDN'T buy a Wii U, so these games will be new to them, and fairly cheap to port.

Mario Maker and Splatoon both need the Wii U controller as a core part of how they function (although Splatoon could probably be retrofitted to a more traditional setup, as long as gyro aiming remains, which I'm sure it will.)

Smash is obvious. Just release Smash Wii U, include all DLC and maybe some of the 3DS stages that didn't make it to the Wii U version. To make an entirely new version is a massive lift, and I just don't see Sakurai being up for it so soon after the release of two versions just a year and a half ago.

Zelda Wii U may be a go just because at this point they are probably developing the game to make it easier to release on both systems.

Obviously it's just a rumor, but I would be sad to learn that the handheld component is not a focus of the system. Frankly, the 3DS platform is in more need of updating than the Wii U.

Still, there's new Monster Hunter for 3DS this summer, so there's not much that could bring me down off that high.

If this is true, I hope there's someway to get a game you already own at a lower price. xD

@TheRealThanos Is there anybody in this thread you aren't arguing with today?

"to show the NX and it's concept to investors on the 27th"

Well I thought rather than them having to dodge and spin the same questions over and over again during their conference call - "When is NX coming out?, what is NX?, what games will be out at launch"? - they would be better off making it official a day or 2 before and save everybody a whole lot of headache and running in circles during the meeting.

Though in my head the meeting is voice only, no video, with a bunch of guys sitting around a table, so no way to actually show off the hardware, but if the 27th is more of a presentation on a stage with a audience then yes, show it off then.

Either way, they can't wait until E3 and launch it this year. (There was a time when I thought they could, when I thought it might be a $100 retro Roku type console, but not a a PS4/X1 clone that I think it is now.)Too much other stuff going on E3, either the hardware or the game will get overlooked. Oh, and when I say announce the hardware first they still need to mention a game or 2, Zelda NX, Pikmin 4, DQXI or FFXV, they just don't need to show more than a quick trailer.

@shani Times have changed. Sony used to have the same lengthy cycle of announcement to release too, but did they stick to it for the PS4? Nope, because that doesn't work before, as Nintendo spectacularly showed with the Wii U. Will the NX release this year? I have no idea, but pointing to what they used to do is no kind of indication. We now live in a world where Apple announces new products at the start of the week and you can buy them by the end of the week, at which point they smash sales records.

@Yorumi "why would they buy a nx at launch"

Nobody ever said these ports/remasters were launch titles. Not a single leak or rumour has said "launch". Launch will have it's own new games - Zelda NX, Pikmin 4, "Amiibo something" - and these would probably be for later to fill in the gaps between launch titles and the 2nd wave of new games.

Nintendo is nuts, but they aren't nuts enough to launch a new console only with old games, these are the frosting, not the cake.

@Yorumi I don't think they'll buy an NX for those games, but it helps fill out a line-up. Look how bare things were at the start for the Wii U. If they've had people working on a 3D Mario, Pikmin 4 and a new Metroid game for the launch period, and can they release a bunch of the Wii U's best games as ports, it looks a lot better.

Honestly I find these rumors super plausible simply because of the fact that Nintendo certainly doesn't want to launch with a poor selection of games and remasters are without a doubt the best way to make good games available as quickly as possible. When you add in the other fact that the Wii U was the poorest selling of the three consoles then this looks to be a sound business strategy, even if the prospect of NX owners likely getting the complete version of Smash for 60 bucks does make me grit my teeth in comparison to how much we have to pay. Either way it is an exciting time to be a Nintendo fan and we only have to wait a couple more months in order to truly understand what the NX is.

@shani I don't see quotes of people rolling over in their graves as "facts and correlation" and the entire comment implies that people not doing what you suggest are grossly dishonoring mr. Iwata. I don't know if that was your intention, but it's that part that I find to be in bad taste. In fact, any usage of dead people to underline whatever statement. I tend to have more respect for people in general. But hey, in the end it's just my opinion so if we don't agree then that's all there is to it.

@Yorumi That's just the thing: they're all rumors for now, Emily Rogers or not. So there is no proof yet how these titles will fare in the initial year(s) of the NX. It is simply WAY too soon for all sorts of negative assumptions being made in this thread.

In all my comments I simply state things from a what if perspective to theorize, while a lot of other people choose to go from the point of view that when this is true, then it is all bad and that they seem to know what Nintendo must do. None (or nearly none) of you are running a company so we can't say what they should or shouldn't do.

Deciding which way things are going to go down before they have even started seems to be a more fitting example of putting the cart in front of the horse to me than anything else.

@Peach64 EXACTLY. Thanks.

@rjejr Not my fault that people can't be neutral or at least look at things from a possibility perspective...

@TheRealThanos could also be, but I doubt that they will miss the chamce to present new hardware in front of all the press gathered...

@arnoldlayne83 Obviously the hardware will be there, but getting the first presentation out of the way in a separate Direct before E3, would leave more time for gameplay instead of all the hardware talk.

@rjejr By and large, investor/shareholder meetings are always face to face, unless one of the parties is at the other end of the world, or too busy to attend, but since these meetings are planned on a fixed schedule, they could easily adjust their calendars to that.

But I do agree that they must show the goods any time now, and not wait until E3, but then again: this is Nintendo we're talking about here, so who knows what new missteps they will make?

I feel like this is one of those rumors that you read it and say 'duh.' Nintendo would be stupid not to remaster some of the great Wii U games for NX.

@Peach64 That might be true, but Nintendo was always slower in adapting to changing situations and rarely did what the others do. That's Nintendo for me, doing what others think is not beneficial but doing it anyway (and sometimes proving others wrong). I'm not even a traditionalist (because I often find traditions meaningless), but I think Nintendo as a company was always very traditionalistic. That doesn't mean things can't change, I'm not saying that, an the past doesn't always say something about the future. but so far their cycles were pretty consistent, so that's what I'm counting on.

@TheRealThanos: What I meant with facts is Iwata's statement and the correlations are the previous cycles.
Are you seriously saying that "any usage of dead people to underline whatever statement" is bad taste and wrong? If that were true, no one would be right to quote past philosophers, politicians, historians and other important figures to make a point that those dead persons would've probably done.
We don't have to agree on this at all, of course this comes down to each person's opinion. But I think it's actually very important to quote the statements, opinions and arguments of those deceased important figures to continue their school of thought. That's how you keep them alive. If no one would continue to use the arguments of Aristotle, Einstein and others, no one would remember them or what they achieved.
Besides, you're claiming that I "used" Iwata as a person, whereas I only used and extended his argument. Saying that he would turn in his grave just underlines his argument, nothing more.

@Project_Dolphin I'll have to re-read some of your comments then, but in general, I see a lot of people being negative about this and seeing a lot of accidents happening based on next to nothing.

And we agree on the last point in part because I also said IF Nintendo does everything right, meaning the NX will be a success, and then there will be no wondering if games are going to be bought or not. And then all those Microsoft and Playstation fanboys that always say that they would either like to see Mario Kart on their console, or would consider buying a Nintendo console if it had the third party titles they want (and decent voice chat and some sort of achievement system) can finally put their money where their mouth is, or forever hold their tongues...

And it actually IS about what the NX can do, AND what it offers, because that is what will make it sell. It's not one or the other; it's a combination of these factors and a couple more.

@Yorumi "Doesn't everyone complain?"
No, I for one don't. I buy what I like and I ignore what I don't like and don't complain about it. I know that these remakes aren't for me, UNLESS they offer extras or something special that the Wii U version didn't have.

@shani It is perfectly fine by me to use a person's arguments, so the Aristotle part of your reply was unnecessary and misguided in relation to my comment. I just don't see why you can't understand that a recently deceased person shouldn't be used in shaming people, which is what it LOOKED like you were doing:
"Oh, you shouldn't be so silly and hold your tongue now, because you will make him roll over in his grave and you dishonor his memory".

THAT is how it came across, at least to me. Like I said: if that is not how you meant it, well, then we can skip that part, but that is the ONLY thing that bothered me. Moving on...

Maybe I should just take a note out of @rjejr's book and simply stop commenting in this thread now. It's getting tiresome and apparently I'm not getting through to anyone, no matter how well I explain it. Not saying I'm 100% right, but I do bring up some valid points based on what we actually could know, not on unconfirmed rumors. Oh, well...

Good night people, have a good one.

@RoomB31 Not true, Xbox One and PS4 ports are remastered and come in bundle for one game's price (Uncharted trilogy, Halo 4 games collection), unless it's a real remake made from scratch like Ratchet & Clank (PS4). On Wii U you have to pay €50-60 for each remaster, so Nintendo is the cash grabby here. Nintendo does not make a great effort in making those HD ports, as much as I love Twilight Princess the new version had little work and comes at premium price, same for Wind Waker HD. I used to be a blind Nintendo fanboy, but I've grown up and opened my eyes.

One of the more subtle mentions from this rumour is Xenoblade Chronicles X being ported to the NX. Yep, I'm gonna say it. Please restore the bust option in customisation for the NX version.

@JaxonH Yeah, but I don't do it. I like ports and remakes as long as the price or the effort made is appealing, no matter if it's on Wii U, PS4 or XOne (I have them all). I just don't like this fanboy hypocrisy about DLC and ports.

@Yorumi "But then they see an nx, with a handful of new games"

ut Wii U never had a proper new Zelda game, just WW HD and TP HD, so Zelda NX as a launch title, plus SSB Complete w/ $100 wortj of DLC included, plus a finsished Spaltoon rather than the drip drip drip the gam egot. And Super Mario Maker released late enough in th Wii U's life peopel may have already ritten Wii U off, so it may sell on NX as wel.

I guess what it really comes down to is new games. If new games are there - Zelda NX, Pikmin 4, maybe Super Mario Galaxy 3, maybe FFXV - then people buy the platform for those games, and pepel who haven't yet purchased a Wii U for whatever reason - Gamepad hatred? - pick up NX and maybe 1 or 2 ports.

I don't see a Splatoon port as a seller, Spla2oon is more likely. Nor any port really, but with a good enough launch line-up, a few of those ports will sell. Ports aren't made to sell systems, they're made for people who buy the system for other games to spend more money, porting is cheaper than new game creation.

@zool I can agree with that, but in two or three years. The only way I'd approve a Smash 4 NX launch would be if they DID have plans to make a new one.

@TheRealThanos When you put it that way, no, that's definitely not what my intention was.
I do find all those rumours a bit dishonoring to him, because I'm sure that's not the reaction he imagined during the DeNa announcement and now he doesn't have a chance to make a statement against those rumours. But shaming people wasn't my goal at all.
What I meant was more like: "Spreading these rumours and thereby pressurizing Nintendo to release the next console in 2016 is surely not the reaction Iwata wanted to spur. Think about that."

But it doesn't have anything to do with dishonoring his memory in general, that's completely separate for me.
I only wanted to point at his standpoint/intention (at least the way I understood it) during that DeNa announcement. People can spread these rumours and still honor his memory, but I don't think spreading these rumours is what he would've wanted.

@shani Well, good we have that out of the way then. I am getting somewhat older, but I'm not quite ready yet to take the mantle of angry old man away from @rjejr...

I would probably pass on remasters as I have the games already, but assuming the audience for NX is going to be far greater than Wii U, it seems like a good way to bring more folks to the party.

@VanillaLake The Last of Us would disagree, as well as a dozen or so other ports that are just remasters of single games. Sure there are collections, and that's cool, but your still paying full retail price for those remasters. Like I said Twilight Princess is borderline, but most of nintendo's remasters are of games that are more than a decade old.

I'm not sure you need to grow up and "open your eyes" to no longer be a fan of Nintendo, simply put your tastes have changed. I still far enjoy Nintendo titles more than others, and sure Nintendo has screwed up a bunch of times, but that doesn't make their games any less enjoyable.

@Yorumi No, I'm not rewriting history. In fact, you thinking that they were hopping on the Wii bandwagon is the epitome of rewriting history. People were fed up with motion controls by then (hence Sony and Microsoft's lack of support). Yeah, Nintendo talked about the fact that third party developers were developing games for the Wii U launch. There's a MASSIVE difference between developing games and developing GOOD games. The Wii U got support at launch in that sense, but it was crap. Developers complained that their games didn't sell well on the Wii U but the major sticking point among media and Nintendo fans was that they weren't even trying to provide good ports and gave the Wii U lazy ones. The ONLY Wii U multiplat that's considered the superior version is Rayman Legends, and that managed to get on the Wii U first, meaning it was actually developed with the gamepad in mind.

And third parties complained about developing around the gamepad (which is Nintendo's fault) because a lot of people don't have pro controllers.

@RoomB31 I said fanboy not fan. I still like Nintendo. I don't understand the hypocrisy of saying that the same thing is dumb if it's done by Sony or Microsoft and cool if it's made by Nintendo. I could copy paste millions of examples if I had time.

@NowhereMan11 Let's not forget Need for Speed Most Wanted, which was pretty decent as well...

@Project_Dolphin This is like one of those old "endless" video games where enemies just keep on coming, no matter how many you shoot, so the most you could gain was the highest score...

Every time I say something to clarify or debunk something, you slightly change the perspective so I can never win or we can never reach common ground. To me as a sales guy it would seem like something out of a Twilight Zone scenario if Nintendo would do everything right with NX, created positive hype/vibes, and it STILL wouldn't sell. That is simply not possible.

we need to know about this now. Nintendo should release the information already.

If the Wii U uses the x86-64 architecture, backwards compat is impossible, just saying.

I don't know about Wii U ports, but it's almost a certainty we'll get Skyward Sword HD on the NX at some point.

@Project_Dolphin Lots of things could happen, but they certainly don't have to and why should we all assume that it WILL go the wrong way? Based on past troubles with sales and third parties? Nothing is certain and nothing is impossible, obviously, but I would love to get all the impossibilities out of the way and for once let people think about solutions instead of "potential" problems.

Let me put it this way: with my experience and knowledge, if I would botch an assignment like this after steps done before me have assured that there is an interesting/alluring product and it ticks off all the boxes to gain third parties and what not, and I would STILL manage to fail in selling it to the target audience, then I would save my employer the trouble of firing me, because I would quit myself, and that is where I'm going to leave it.

I think it's safe to say that I'd rather make an educated guess based upon my own experience than on someone else's. Unless they have a proven track record of course...

And luckily, I don't have to quit my job since I am my own boss nowadays...

@mikegamer Because... ? You must have never heard of software based emulation.
The NX is supposed to be more powerful than the PS4. If the Xbox One can emulate an Xbox 360 (and that console is weaker than the PS4), then the NX can emulate a Wii U. Plain and simple.

@TheRealThanos

Software-based emulation for backwards compat is utter garbage and has very low compatibility. The Xbox One can only run a very small % of games, even if they add more, there's bound to be problems.

I'd buy splatoon again if it lets me play online alongside/against my missus/the kids on the Wii U on another TV in the same room

@mikegamer That's a blanket statement if ever I saw one. I obviously don't know what your experience with emulation is, but I can tell you that mine is quite extensive, and on numerous platforms. I run every old console/handheld up to the PS1 and N64 on my old Wii, and with some manual tweaking they work pretty good with only some minor issues here and there, and some titles work just perfectly.

In general, as long as the hardware is capable, there are numerous possibilities. One bad example isn't representative of the entire range of possibilities. Dolphin on PC is a pretty perfect example of what is possible, and Cemu is getting closer and closer to delivering playable Wii U games. And all of those are efforts done by hobbyists/part timers.

Xbox One can currently run a small percentage, but more and better support is on the way. It will never be the entire catalog, but more than likely it will be just like with the original Xbox games on Xbox 360, and these ran just fine.

As for Nintendo: they have gotten more experienced with emulation themselves by means of the Virtual Console. Of course these are old titles, but still...

But if Nintendo would want to, they could also opt for a SoC and emulate around that, so you'd have a hybrid emulator. Although they probably won't do that. Either way, let's just wait and see what they come up with and then conclude that there are problems instead of the other way around...

@VanillaLake
Sure, same here. I've been pretty vocal about the fact the remasters and ports have been great for me, in fact I've bought at least a dozen this gen on PS4/X1.

But the hypocrisy is all around. It really is. Ultimately though, I think it makes a lot of sense to port some top-shelf Wii U games to NX. Only 13 million people had access to these gems in a short cycle generation, so it would be smart to share some of these games on a more popular console to draw in new gamers.

*Also, I do think there's a bit of difference between a couple ports at launch of a new system, and several dozen over the course of the first 2 years. I don't think a couple ports to jumpstart a new console is unreasonable. No console is 100% port/remaster free.

@King_Johobo Purple, you say...?

GAMECUBE 2.0 CONFIRMED!!

I certainly don't mind a few "remasters"/ports at the beginning of a new console, especially when they are solid, high quality titles that so many never played on the previous system because of low sales. I just don't want Nintendo to get in a long term habit of porting Wii U games to the NX past the initial launch window.

@Yorumi "If nintendo has all this production capability"

I doubt anybody at Ntineod is working on these, there are companies out there that make ports. And the fact that people are leaking them being in development makes me think it isn't anybody at Nitnedo b/c Nitnode employees don't squeal. And if it is internal it's not the same people who would be working on new games, they probably just hired people to port them. Porting is all about coding, it's technical work, not game design.

As to why Ntineod may be working on new games for NX rather than Wii U, well I think they just suck at making games on time. Pikmin 3 was supposed to be a launch title but it didn't release until August, Zelda U was supposed to be out in 2015 and we haven't even seen it. SFZ was supposed to be out in Nov. Yoshi's Wooly World was shown off in Jan 2013 and it took them 2 1/2 years to release, and that's a simple 2D platformer their bread & butter, and it's based on Kirby's Epic Yarn. YWW should have taken them 6 months, not 30.

So I think they realized their HD game prep limitations, and that Wii U sold only 12mil after 3 years when Wii sold 80mil in 3 years, and they decided to start working on NX games so they can have a good launch, let Wii U perish an early death b/c it's basically on life support already.

One thing I really wish I was better at though is following Nitnedos internal dev groups. Like what have the people who made SM3DW on Wii U been doing since then? And MK8. Somebody has bne working on Paper Mario but that almost seems like a port of the 3DS game. And what have the Luigi's Mansion people been up to? We know the Zelda people are still working on Zelda and the Pikmin people on Pikmin 4. Seems like there should be somebody at Nitneod working on a good launch NX game. And what has Retro been working on for 2 years? NX launch title perhaps?

http://www.gamnesia.com/podcasts/retro-studios-next-game-is-something-they-proposed-to-nintendo-and-it-could

Backward Compatibility? yes? if yes then NX is masterpiece console ever i heard.... that rumours has ram 12GB Holy Cross!!! ... Biggest challenge for nintendo... i hope it doesn't failed like Wii U sales so much poor.

@Project_Dolphin "I would argue that selling frosting without selling the cake first is pretty useless."

Zelda NX is the cake. And Pikmin 4. Maybe FFXV. Maybe a new game from Retro. Maybe "amiibo Land" or "amiibo Sports". Maybe Super Mario Galaxy 3. That's enough cake for launch, these frosting ports don't matter.

@TheRealThanos "and simply stop commenting"

Mets were on, finally won a game, 2-1, I can't post and watch at the same time. Though I am kind of sick of the rumours, leaks, what ifs and maybes.

@JaxonH "I don't think a couple ports to jumpstart a new console is unreasonable."

Question for ya. No, not the difference between a port and remaster, that's just semantics, but port and new game release. While PS4 had a bunch of noteworthy "ports" - TLoU, GTAV - it also had, and still has, dual releases - Destiny, MGSV, FIFA, Madden, every Lego game. So if Zelda does get released on both Wii U and NX how do we determine if it's a port like TLoU and GTAV or just a dual release like all those other games? Is it simply a matter of release date?

@rjejr
Well, by nature one game is always the lead and every other version is technically a "port", but I'd say dual release.

The lack of any news or rumors pertaining to Nintendo's next handheld leads me to believe that it is a 2017 release. 3DS could certainly survive another year given that it is getting a new mainline Pokémon, a handful of key anticipated western localizations, and a few major Japan-only titles.

What they need to do is remove Dr. Mario from Smash and put in Paper Mario... with different moves than regular Mario.

@JaxonH But you didn't answer the question - what do you use to make the determination of which it is? For the most part Sony is good about ports and remasters by bundling them, into HD if need be. And I can't recall anybody complaining about PS4 and PS3 dual releases, just people complaining that PS4 wasn't getting any new games, just HD remasters and last gen games, and Knack sucked, and The Order sucked, and Killzone was derivative. Guess I'm curious how Nintndo would present an NX version of Zelda U? They obviously wouldn't say "remaster" as it's not, but would they call it a "Zelda U port" or just say "also releasing on NX", meaning dual release? And why? Is E3 2 months from today?

Mario Maker in my trusty pocket,
Mario makin' my hype skyrocket.

I just hope its backwards compatible. I would love to make Mario levels on the go if the nx is a portable home hybrid. I'm hoping the controller is similar to the wii u just a lot smaller. I would be happy if the screen was the size of the regular 3ds bottom screen.

@rjejr
Also releasing on NX. Dual release as I said before. Why? Idk... because that's what it is? Just like Smash was a dual release on Wii U and 3DS- even a few months separation didn't change it from being dual release.

If the game is completely finished and released before they decide to port it elsewhere, then it's called a port. That would be how I would make a determination.

And yes, it's the 60 day countdown. Get your jimmies ready for rustling. NX and VR and Zelda and Final Fantasy XV approaches!

And gosh dang rjejr, if they announce a brand new Fire Emblem, Monster Hunter or Metroid I'm gonna schitz out. I doubt any of those franchises will see a new entry announced for at least another year, but still... there's always a chance (plus MH Generations is releasing this summer so Im already set)

So in a way the Nxt will be a recycling unit for Nintendo!

Roll on E3 this year because hopefully the big N will announce something about their latest console, whatever happens I will wait exactly a year for when it comes out to buying it.

@JaxonH Even you can't need another FE or MH game yet. And it might be time to start holding your breath on both as those companies transition to NXDS. Not the name, but I decided I like it better than 4DS, which sounds like a bra size or a battery.

BTW, I've given up on the hybrid-in-1 console bundle, it's just too expensive, and I read a rumour somewhere that handheld games will play on the home but not home on the handheld, which makes sense, so I think NX Home in 2016, NX Portable in 2017, possibly games that play on both in 2018, until then Gamepad works as an NX controller for ports, sold separately for $69. (i am not looking forward to buying 2 more $50 PS4 controllers and PS+ when I finally get my PS4.)

Those 4 mentioned... well the three already out anyway, are among the few Wii U games of interest that I actually haven't bought yet, so if it's THOSE, then I'll be all for it !!

@Project_Dolphin Oh man, your doing it once again: "or if they're supplying the cart now and promising the horse later" IF, IF, IF...

Would you say that you are a positive person by nature, or are you always skeptical? Mind you: nothing wrong with a little bit of healthy criticism, but moderation is the key, in EVERYTHING.

Oh, and I'm gonna go with cake and frosting. All these discussions made me work up an appetite...

@AlexSora89 is making up songs again...
Where's the refrain? (and a quoted source of the song it's based on so we can all sing along)

@rjejr By the way: remember that Reddit thread that I directed you to? And all the YouTube videos based on it? Turns out it was some joker from the Reddit crew that decided it would be a good idea to see how long he could stretch an April fool's joke and the other moderators joined in to tag everybody along. Boy, the fun they must have had, especially when so many videos were posted about these fake rumors. (that's a bit of a conundrum right there: fake rumors)

So anyway, it wasn't just fake, the whole leak was a hoax to begin with. The account and comments have since been deleted...

What I did find funny is that they also fooled the NeoGAF crew and one of them even defended the "leaker" to the point of saying that Reddit's verification process wasn't up to scratch compared to theirs, so the fact that they couldn't verify him didn't have to mean that he wasn't genuine...
Oh, well...

Assuming this rumor is true and I'm almost positive it is, I am glad to see that Mario Kart 8 is not on the list.

Smash and Zelda being the guarantees of the group isn't surprising. I would rather have a Splatoon sequel than a port, while Mario Maker should probably stay a Wii U exclusive. It'd be great if they could get it to NX though.

Other Wii U games like MK8, Pikmin 3, Bayonetta 2, etc. can be downloads on the eShop like they had for the Wii games this gen.

@MarvinTheMartian I assume by "port," they simply mean a definitive edition with all the content from both games (plus Ice Climbers and Wolf, hopefully). I'm sure it would by no means replace an NX Smash title.

@Yorumi "Where was all that production capability for the Wii U?"

CoughSavingthe3DSCough

Edit: Ok, I give up trying to edit the bold face there

Well if there's no backwards compatibility, at least I'll feel personally happy to have a Wii U for it's exclusives.

Though I do hope they incorporate VC in a big way on NX. Could we finally get cross buy?

I just wanna hear about NX already, before E3. Just tell us about it like Sony did with PS4, then wait until E3 to show up what the design of the console will look like or something.

@Sakuraichu Funny, it's only now that I see it written that we didn't get Last Story yet as a Wii VC game (yet) but have Xenoblade 1 and Pandora's Tower. Finish the triumvirate!

Also agree with the FE characters; we need a lancer!

On topic though I'd happily throw down some money on ports if they were reasonable, especially given that the left analogue on my Gamepad is screwing up and stopping me moving left and right properly.

@TheRealThanos
I appreciate the appreciation, but that was just a single rhyme, dude!

Wonder what this says for Wii U Backward compatibility....

Nintendo just needs to focus on games for the Wii U.

@rjejr Well, nobody mentioned it, but actually 4 years passed since New Super Mario Bros. U, and since this time there isn't a 3DS version being developed at the same time, something decent might come out of it...
that being said I think they will just join the development teams together this time so they don't have to develop for 2 consoles, at most adapt the games for the less powerful console if they share architecture and release all handheld games on the home console as well. In the Wii U/3DS era there was surely a problem of having releases on both fronts.

Reagrding backwards compatibility, the x86 and ARM architecture don't allow that, they should go PowerPC again, but POWER is not PowerPC and IBM sold all its factories, so it would be much more difficult this time.
Interestingly, Nintendo joined the Khronos Group, so it's likely they will rely on Vulkan this time instead of their OpenGL-derived-but-still-proprietary graphics API. Along with x86/ARM this would simplify the life of developers, making cross-platform games easier to develop and less costly for the developers.

@Jazzer94 My comment was about what I assume is Nintendo's objective. Your comment was about your personal perspective and it read to me as though you expected Nintendo to be trying to sell you the NX by porting games, though I may have misinterpreted it, so I just responded by saying that that is not what they are trying to do. Anyway, porting games does not require too many of Nintendo's resources as it is typically outsourced.

@TheRealThanos Yeah, I remember reading that one top post on Reddit and then all the comments tearing him apart so I decided it was fake so I didn't waste my time watching any of the videos. I'm pretty close to just not commenting on any more rumours or leaks, seems like it's all getting redundant. I don't mind wasting time, I find discussing things w/ you, Aaron, Jax and some of the other guys interesting, but it's all been said many times over at this point, it's been about 14 months since "NX" was first said last year. Time for something real to discuss.

@Mister_Wu "New Super Mario Bros. U"

I think I assumed those guys made SM3DW since it wasn't really all that open world like Galaxy, more like a wide 2D that was still linear. Or they made SM Maker. I'm not a long time Nintendo fan going back too far, just Gamecube, but I still think it would be weird for a Nintneod home console to launch w/o some type of Mario platformer, either 2D or 3D. Since SMM is still going strong and Wii U never got Galaxy 3 or SM Sunshine HD, maybe Sunshine 2? Though I suppose an amiibo based "Mushroom Kingdom Snap" is just as likely. I can't figure Nintendo out.

@Grumblevolcano Nah.
There would have been no point in doing that with E3 so close.
E3 is where all the big announcements are made; doing it outside of that would have done more harm than good.

@rjejr Well, the New Super Mario Bros. series (and Super Mario Maker, and Pikmin too!) was developed by the Software Development Group No. 4 in Kyoto, while Super Mario Galaxy 2, Super Mario 3D Land and Super Mario 3D World were developed by the Software Development Group No. 2 in Tokyo and Super Mario Galaxy was developed by the Software Development Group No. 1 in Tokyo, so if you were wondering why the 3D Super Mario games since Galaxy 2 became more linear, now you have a (partial) answer: the team was changed! But it's not the same as that of the New Super Mario Bros. series....

@andreoni79 ikr

Regardless of what's coming on this NX, I'm still sure I'm not picking it up at launch. I've still got plenty to do on my Wii U games - Mario Kart 8, Hyrule Warriors, Splatoon, and Xenoblade Chronicles X in particular. Plus a few Wii games I got that I missed out on earlier in its lifespan, and a decent number of Virtual Console games.

@rjejr

I honestly don't know what to think anymore. At least as far as the handheld unit goes and any inter-functionality.

@smashbrolink I disagree, wasting precious time at E3 talking about the console itself instead of games is more harmful.

@memoryman3 Yes because we certainly need more Mario characters...
This is Smash Bros., not Mario Party.

@AlexSora89 Still: what song? You can't just assume we all have those voices in our head like you do...
@Project_Dolphin Well, sales are always up and down, so that's nothing new in any industry. And lately I've seen a lot of people (not just you, but you just happen to keep commenting) being negative (almost) exclusively about Nintendo, while the other two aren't choir boys either.

Same as with these rumored remasters. The other parties are spewing them out as well, and yes; they didn't do that during launch, but I personally think that this is Nintendo trying to prevent EXACTLY what happened before, and that is game drought. These titles are more than likely just meant to fill out the library of games to come, as complementary titles, NOT as the main dish, so I'm fully expecting a pretty good release schedule for year one. To start with...
Here's to a great E3, and preferably a special Direct somewhere in the next few weeks before that... Cheers.

@rjejr "Time for something real to discuss."
Well then, head on over to the Pokémon knickers topic...

@JaxonH I agree with you. I have bought lots of ports and remakes. On 3DS I got Ocarina of Time 3D and Majora's Mask 3D day 1 as a Zelda fan, although €45 for a 3DS game is a little too much, if you ask me. Actually, I got Majora's Mask Special Edition.

On PS4 I got Tomb Raider Definitive Edition and The Last of Us Remastered. It's true these two are standalone games but at least The Last of Us Remastered launched cheaper. Tomb Raider Definitive Edition launched full price so @RoomB31 is right about this one. I also got Uncharted trilogy on PS4 and Halo Master Chief Collection for less than €40 each (not at launch). For me it was great because I didn't have a PS nor Xbox before.

On Wii U I said no to paying €60 (this is the price for this remaster in Europe) for The Wind Waker HD, but I got it for free when I bought Mario Kart 8 so I was lucky. Because Twilight Princess is one of my favourite games, I got the special edition day one, but I paid less than the digital version price of the game only, because funnily, the Nintendo eShop is the most expensive way of getting your Nintendo games. Weird. So I got the disc, the case, the CD and the amiibo and its associated DLC for less than the price of the digital version of the game alone.

So, I'm not against ports or remakes and I think it's great that people will be able to play some brilliant Wii U games. My point is, do you think NX will be a success if it's a PS4 hardware but three years later and with Wii U games that did not sell Wii U consoles? I think that Nintendo is not learning from their mistakes. When the 3DS launched with Nintendogs + cats and failed, they said that Wii U will launch with first party solid games. Wii U launched with Nintendo Land and New Super Mario Bros. U, the solid games came later and did not help much either. People expected Wii U to be a success with Mario Kart, later with Super Smash Bros., and none of them did the trick.

Now, the Wii U has at least a dozen of awesome games, with some platformers masterpieces, but it lacks lots of Nintendo names and genres. I think Nintendo long-time fans got disappointed by Nintendo getting a little too casual with Wii, they did not approve the tablet and the underpowered Wii U, and now they are hearing rumours that do not help either. Plus, Nintendo doesn't seem to listen to their fans nor to learn from their mistakes.

What will be? Who knows?

@VanillaLake
While I agree with much of that statement, I actually believe that (assuming rumors prove right) this is the most Nintendo has taken action in a decade.

The last two generations have had underpowered hardware and what I legitimately feel to be innovations, but some would call a gimmick. If NX is indeed on par with the other two consoles in the market, has a smaller normal controller (it can keep a screen on it- heck I think it SHOULD retain a screen- just so long as the controller is more normal sized and the screen is more of an auxiliary focus rather than the main focus), and if they're using x86 architecture for easy ports and cheap development...

Then I would say they actually are listening. More than they've done in the last two generations. That's about as much as I can reasonably expect. In fact this is exactly what I want to see them do. All they have to do is make sure the console has modern features and we're all set to go.

EDIT
After losing so many customers this generation, I sincerely doubt Nintendo is going to just keep going down the same path they've been going, despite it not working with Wii U. I don't think they are as stupid as some people make them out to be. I think the success from seventh generation left them a little arrogant to the point they didn't really try much this generation. And that cost them dearly. I truly believe they understand what they are up against, I think they're going to break with the Wii branding and go on a totally separate direction with NX. I know they are just rumors but some are more credible than others- and that first rumor where it was reported Nintendo employees are giving NX their all like the Super Nintendo, that really resonated with me.

I think they understand what the score is and I think that this console is going to impress. I think it's going to be at least as powerful as the other two consoles in the market are, it's going to be designed to allow easy porting and cheap development and I think the dual screen concept will be less of a focus but still present (it seems it always takes Nintendo one trial run to understand how a feature should truly be implemented properly- the bulky gamepad was their trial run- NX should have a normal sized controller with a screen just for maps and inventory- nothing that's a major focus, just a secondary screen for convenience like we see in Fire Emblem or Zelda titles.

@JaxonH Good point, but Nintendo also needs good and new games right from the start. Also, to recover dead franchises and stop milking Mario too much.

About the second screen, it might be some kind of home-portable connection, like you can use "NX mobile" as a "NX home" controller (like on Super Smash Bros. 4), but "NX home" would have its own controller, a classic one. I'm not sure if we need a second screen for playing. I love Maiden of Black Water, you stand up and use a real camera in a real world... full of ghosts. But, why do I need to find and touch a door on the GamePad screen to open it on Super Mario 3D World if I'm looking at the TV and it's easier to just press a button? Why do I need to stop looking at the main screen to see where I am on a map? Mario Kart 8 is a good example, at the beginning you needed to check the GamePad to see the map, even if you were using the pro controller, then they patched it and added the on-screen map, which is far more convenient, isn't it?

@VanillaLake
Well right. It's that sorta thing that should be phased out with NX. I think a screen on the controller for auxiliary info only is something everyone can get on board with- especially if it's a screen on a much smaller, normal controller. All that tapping door stuff, and required use... no.

Just keep it strictly like how they do with Zelda, Monster Hunter and many 3DS games, like Fire Emblem. But ya, they should just keep it limited to that type of stuff and I think everyone will like it.

EDIT
Maybe retain off-screen play as well, but don't make it a main focus. Don't wanna create an image of it being how the gamepad was, scaring people off. Make it crystal clear that its inventory/maps only. Totally optional stuff.

Be careful of these 'multiple sources' - many of them are really just relaying information that was gained from a single source. And there's a lot of Chinese whispers going on with people adding their own interpretations to the original information which is then being taken as fact.

There's two potential sources of information for these ports. Either from a developer (presumably Western) working on them or from Nintendo themselves (possible considering the recent leaks from NoE ahead of the last direct).

Unless a single developer is working on all of the ports, or all of the developers have leaked information I would assume that this information must have come from within Nintendo - if it is genuine.

It wouldn't surprise me if this turns out to be true, but even then I think this may be well educated guesswork rather than a leak.

@JaxonH Yeah.

@VanillaLake I fully expect the next handheld to work as a controller on the home system with the screen capable of relaying in-game information (I also suspect that this information could stream to a smart device).

I also suspect that the next handheld may provide the off-TV functionality that the Wii U gamepad does, although the video would probably stream via regular Wi-Fi rather than a bespoke connection (user input could go via Bluetooth to minimise lag).

@Skunkfish That would be good.

@Grumblevolcano Not really, considering that's what they do every time they release a new console; talk about it, AND show off a bunch of games for it.
Or have you forgotten the past several console releases when they showed off a bunch of games alongside them at E3?

@smashbrolink The main difference between then and now is back then the setup was announce at E3, release around 17 months later. With everything pointing towards a 2016 release, 5 months isn't a lot of time.

@Project_Dolphin Twilight Princess was an odd choice for a remaster considering that 100M+ people already had the opportunity to play it on the Wii/Gamecube, undoubtedly including the majority of the Wii U's 12M userbase.

I think the re-release of Wii U games for NX will be more along the lines of straight ports running at a higher resolution serving 2 purposes: to bolster the early line-up of NX with titles (at minimal dev cost), and to see a decent return on the development of these games as I'm sure sales were limited by the userbase of Wii U (reduced sales and higher-dev costs compared to Wii titles must have pushed some titles into a loss).

Nintendo obviously want to extend the market base over Wii U, so they're hoping that many potential NX buyers won't have had the opportunity to play these games before. Wii U backwards compatibility seems unlikely all things considered, but what if getting Wii U software up and running was almost as simple as just a recompilation of the code?... (see Iwata's comments about the new platform absorbing the previous (or something along those lines) - I think he was referring to the development environment and API's).

@TheRealThanos
I don't have voices in my head!
[White caption: Yes, you do.]
[Yellow caption: Shut up, he's trying his hardest to concentrate!]
You're not helping my case, are you.

@Mister_Wu So what's Group #3 been up to?

Thanks for all of that. Certainly seems like enough groups working on games that there could be 1 or 2 unannounced games ready for the NX launch, either a 2D or 3D Mario. And Pikmin 4 seems a given.

@Skunkfish "Be careful of these 'multiple sources' - many of them are really just relaying information that was gained from a single source. And there's a lot of Chinese whispers going on with people adding their own interpretations to the original information which is then being taken as fact."

As someone who has worked with everyone involved with this, I can tell you this isn't true at all. You have no grounds upon which to say this. It's total fantasy. Neal and Emily know their stuff and they don't do that.

@rjejr I was trying to appeal to the Anglo-American crowd since we're not all yanks here. And panties could in some countries in Europe be confused with those ugly brown nylon stockings...

@rjejr Oh, and I don't believe for one second that tourists were annoyed by naked ladies, unless they were religious or prudes... I know I certainly wouldn't mind as long as they are pretty to look at...
And yes, it's funny that the NLife crew is getting all worked up over nothing as the pics are hardly anything to write home about and could probably be found in any old Sears catalog...

@rjejr Yeah, there are definitely some annoying and tiresome parts to doing everything yourself, but I'm slowly working out the kinks and am picking up speed. Not exactly a "hit the ground running" kind of thing, but I'll get there before the end of the year.

And no ulcer in sight: the good part of it is no one breathing down your neck, making your own schedule and most important of all: keeping all the money for yourself instead of receiving only a sales bonus on top of your salary...

@rjejr But let's focus on more enjoyable things:
http://www.e3countdown.com/

@LiamR Hi Liam. I'm not suggesting that Neal and Emily are intentionally giving out incorrect information (and it may well prove to be correct), rather that they're both reliant on the information given to them by their sources. I know they've been on the money before (e.g. Paper Mario U), but just advising caution to avoid disappointment!

@TheRealThanos Has Nintendo even said if they will be at E3 this year? I know EA said no, and Acivision/Blizzard, and Disney. If they are really going to wait until E3 to showoff NX they'd better have a live on stage event, no puppets.

@rjejr Small sales company, I run it from a home office. Practically no overhead and it's just me, so no people to pay. 21%VAT and around 40% taxes. Still beats working for a boss, where the average pay in sales jobs is anywhere between 11 and 14 euros net salary per hour plus your monthly sales bonus, so your salary is largely based on commissions.

Now I make money based on deals that I broker for several parties, and I either charge per hour (30-40 euros) or per deal, which varies from 200 euros per deal to a 1000, depending on the topic and the difficulty or length of the sales process. It's a win-win either way, so if you've thought about it, just look at the difference in what you will earn after tax and then consider if that difference is worth doing it or not. In my case it's a difference of more than twice my salary per month, so who cares if I lose 40 to 50% of that to taxes? I'm still left with more than I'll ever make working for some jack@ss telling me what to do.

And I don't even work full days: if I make one or two deals per day for 200 euros, I take the rest of the day off or go looking for new clients...

"Has Nintendo even said if they will be at E3 this year?"
Well, apparently they've booked a show:
http://pr311jm731.mapyourshow.com/6_0/alphalist.cfm?alpha=N

@TheRealThanos Just reading that post is enough work for me for one day.

I know Nintendo will have floor space, they always have huge floor space for showing off games, but that's not the same as a live presentation event on a stage in an auditorium.

EA has their non-E3 press conference time listed.

https://www.vg247.com/2016/04/13/ea-play-early-schedule-details/

MS and Bethsehda too, Sony will almost certainly be Monday night after MS in the morning.

http://www.ign.com/wikis/e3/E3_2016_Live_Streams_and_Press_Conferences

I wonder if Nitnod will have another Sunday competition day? That was the best part of their E3, the entire 2nd half of 2015 sunk and stunk after that. Well SMM worked out well for them, but that's about it. XCX was a great game but little publicity.

@rjejr "Just reading that post is enough work for me for one day."
Really? Well, could have saved me the trouble then...
You asked, I answered. Maybe you can digest it better when you've had your afternoon nap...

As for Nintendo at E3: I assume that info will be added on that page, because a lot of data is still missing for quite a few companies, just check the page show hours (under info): besides the hours/slots there should be companies there, so you know which one is going to present what and when.

@rjejr Oh, and I forgot the insurance part you mentioned: that's also a bonus, since most of it can just be kept under the private label since I'm a home based company, so that's cheap too.

Somehow i was expecting this. Sony and MS did give us remastered edition of their previous games. It's a good thing if you ask me. Less reason to keep the older console!

@japongt Mario has so many potential newcomers though, compared to other series! Plus we have character like Daisy who have been waiting for the longest time to be playable!

@Grumblevolcano That's just it, though; even if it does release this year, it'll be at the tail end, but if we're following all the REAL signs, as in, the ones showing that Nintendo almost always releases a console the year following its official announcement and that the majority of them are spaced roughly 5 years apart, it won't be releasing until early or middle of next year.

In either case, it's not too soon; it's right on schedule.

@Not_Soos My sources NEVER lie!!

Update: The controller will be a wearable sock