Beyond Good and Evil is one of those cult hits which performed poorly at retail yet gained a massive following, and as a result fans have been clamouring for a sequel for years. Ubisoft, for its part, has employed a "never say never" approach, and while it seemed that the game was in active development a long time ago, things have gone a bit quiet in recent years, with the publisher most recently confirming that creator Michel Ancel wasn't working on the game.
However, if a fresh rumour unearthed by Destructoid is to be believed, that is all set to change. According to the site, Nintendo is "doing a Bayonetta 2" and stepping in to fund the title, securing it as an Nintendo NX exclusive for 2017. The full title is apparently Beyond Good and Evil: The Prejudices of Philosophers.
A word of warning before you get too excited - the original source of this rumour is Geno, the same source which supplied a series of NX leaks which we were quite skeptical about the other day. The only reason we've giving this particular rumour attention is that Destructoid states it has verified the claims with another source, and they appear to have merit.
Destructoid also points out that in a recent "Devs Play" video, Tim Schafer and Ancel kept mentioning Shigeru Miyamoto in relation to a possible sequel.
Coincidence? You decide. In the meantime, here's a teaser trailer for the game from quite some time ago:
Yeah...its Ubisoft, we all know just how "exclusive" Rayman Legends was.
Id take this news with an entire salt mine.
This would no doubt piss yet more people off... which is great for the NX. the excuse I always hear for people not buying Nintendo systems is "not enough exclusives to justify the price" (which I always feel is odd as Nintendo probably has more exclusives than anybody else)
Waiter! There is too much salt in this rumor. Please take it back.
What a load of bubbles xD
If this ends up true, the only way it would make sense is if the original game is playable on NX whether it be like Bayonetta 2 where a bundle containing both exists or something more simple like putting the GC version on VC. I personally don't believe it because Nintendo's relationship with Ubisoft is very poor outside of Just Dance.
@abe_hikura Normally, its "it doesnt have enough 3rd party games no one buys".
People saying Nintendo consoles dont have enough exclusive titles clearly never looked at their respective librarys.
Yes plz if true good move by Nintendo.
@Einherjar IF the rumour is true then it'd be a bayonetta arrangement so Ubisoft can flake all it'd like but the game would be Nintendo's
This would be awesome! The best way for Nintendo to get the "hardcore" to buy the NX would be to offer exclusive games of much wanted sequels that never seem to get made. Titles where the fan base isn't as big as say Call of Duty, but they have a voice loud enough to make a difference. I am so happy Bayonetta 2 happened, and now if this is true, I feel that Nintendo is on a good track. What next? Half-life 3? hahaha I kid.... but wouldn't that be hilarious?
Even if it's true, I'm not sure it will really matter if NX doesn't also get all the third party games that all the other consoles are getting, along with being a system that's something people actually give a d*mn about in the first place. The Wii U scored an exclusive like Bayonetta 2, and ultimately it didn't make much of a difference. I need more than a couple of random, kinda niche 3rd party exclusives on NX to care about it. I need a system that genuinely impresses and excites me, a bunch of stunning first party games out-the-gate and in the launch window, and all the big third party titles that everyone basically expects to see on any console worth its salt.
Pass the salt.
If it were true, good for Nintendo. They need all exclusives they can get.
Plus, it will be fun seeing all the salt again.... There are some people on other forums that are still asking for Bayo 2 to be ported.
@abe_hikura Nintendo's console library is almost entirely composed of exclusives. What scares people off is the lack of multiplats, among other things.
Would be amazing if true, as just like Bayonetta 2, it's never going to get made through traditional funding because it's not a project that will make money. Of course, just like Bayonetta 2, it won't do anything to help console sales, but it will give a nice boost to the console's image amongst traditional gamers.
This NX thingy is already starting to look good
I'm with Jim Sterling on this one, the reaction of the entitled gamer crowd would be to die for if this turn out to be true, just like it was with Bayonetta 2 when people who are supposedly too 'mature' to buy a Nintendo console still found it acceptable to send death threats to the directors at Platinum.
They need their p*** boiled at times and seeing it all unfold is one of the many little things that makes the world go round.
I remember hearing about this being a Wii U exclusive back when Devil's Third was announced, so I think I'll wait a bit before getting excited
OMFG this might be the best rumor so far! I played the first one on PS2 and it's one of the greatest games I've ever played.
@abe_hikura I doubt Ubi would sign such a contract.
Platinum mainly works as a contractual 3rd party. First for SEGA, now for Nintendo. Ubi has a much much bigger ego. I doubt they sign a "hired gun" contract like that.
They ususally want full controll (see uPlay)
If Ubisoft do have a half finished game, and they're needing to fill the profit hole left by Assassin's Creed's poor few years and general apathy for their broken games, then it may be credible- if Nintendo are willing to pay out for it. All it ever comes down to is where a comany will get it's money from.
That's also a good way to see 3rd party for Nintendo. It's not about getting ALL the 3rd party games, it's about getting the suitable 3rd party games for Nintendo fans. We may not care much for COD, AC, and Bethesda games, but I bet a lot of people who normally only play Nintendo would love the chance to play FF7, Kingdom Hearts, Rayman, FIFA, Disgaea, and Beyond Good and Evil 2. Just look at Minecraft- even this late in the game it seems to have done well for an eshop only title.
If I believed this game really existed in a meaningful way, this would be big news and a big win for Nintendo. The first game was excellent.
But rumors have been flying about this game for years without anything to show, so at this point I'm not going to get too excited.
Yes! Nintendo could do with some exclusives to entice people. At this moment in time Beyond Good and Evil is fairly niche (similarly if not more so than Bayonetta) but still it would be great for Nintendo.
The prejudices of philosophers is that they hate people who confuse ad-hominems with insults
Except Rayman was funded by Ubisoft, all expenses on them, so it was their perogative to ensure they didn't tank a loss- which was all but guaranteed given Wii U's incredible fish-flopping first months after launch.
This, however, is allegedly funded by Nintendo now. Like Bayonetta 2.
And we all know how exclusive Bayoneta 2 ended up being.
@Einherjar It's not the same situation, though. If Nintendo is funding the game, this exclusive isn't going to appear on the competition's platforms any time soon.
well if true it'll bayonetta 2 salt all over again, i wouldn't put it past ubisoft maybe a way to make amends about legends?
@Marce2240 if ever tbh
Seriously I hope not. Good game or not this won't sell or tempt many people to buy the NX.
That would be an interesting turn of events. Good move for Nintendo
This rumour raises an important point for Nintendo, regardless of how high the pile of salt is.
Nintendo needs to either produce or fund for more Bayonetta 2 type exclusives. That is to say Nintendo needs to somehow fill it's lineup with more "mature" titles if it wants to succeed in capturing that market that generally passes by Nintendo.
@JaxonH an amazing action game XD. but yeah i agree
@kenrulei if they're getting paid to do it, they aren't making amends. they're jsut making money.
Well if this turns out to be true, I'd happily get it. I wouldn't get a system specifically for that game (though the first was AMAZING), but if the "do a Bayonetta 2" and bundle it with the "original" HD remaster, I'll be first in line to get it - and I'll probably get the NX anyway.
Such rumour pretty much imply that Ubisoft as so little fate in the franchise that it's ready to let it die if noone from outside pays for it.
I hate to admit it, but this is so common nowaday with so many examples around that it sound totally believable.
(And to my friend in case he will check the comments here: I know, you were right! I should have complete the first Beyond ages ago when you told me! If this rumour will turn true I'll get back and finish it, I swear ^_^;;; )
The Prejudices of Philosophers? That's one terrible name. XD
3-digit comment section incoming.
@Jamotello that's true, but saying only on here is gonna piss a huge amount of people off... like bayonetta 2 but as bayo 2 proves it's not beyond the realm of possibly
While I'd like this to be true, system exclusive sequels to games that didn't sell well might not be the best way to sell the NX. I was hoping Bayonetta 2 would help the Wii U but it didn't really. And if Beyond Good & Evil 2 bombed, Ubisoft would be out of the NX market straight away.
@keresmatic hmm i know i played it on ps2, it was remastered on 360/ps3 i think og had gamecube release too now i think about it.
Oh please let this be true, it's a great idea from a business pov
@FragRed Disagree. As @Kirk said, what Nintendo needs is the very same games the other platforms are getting. Niche 3rd party exclusives won't save their system. Unless they manage to secure a huge 3rd party franchise (say, GTA or something), I don't see how 3rd party exclusives would help.
@ryando not if the porting costs very little, also if there game bombs but the nx sales are decent they'll retry over and over again.
@Ralizah very true as most of them want Nintendo games on ps4/xbox 1, but that isn't happening Nintendo's to proud. if nx tanks then maybe but they would likely try again tbh.
@CB85 I like the name - it's very intriguing...
@Marce2240 Regarding how much it would help the NX... any exclusive game of real quality helps, particularly if it is free of any Mushroom Kingdom etc. involvement, as it boosts Nintendo's image of being about more than just Mario/Zelda/Pokemon.
One game of BG&E type is not going to single-handedly launch a console's sales into the stratosphere, but it will build rep. Would people rather this didn't happen ffs?
Get it out of your head that Nintendo needs to instantly reverse the Wii U decline. Unless Nintendo strikes unbelievably lucky, it's more likely to be a slow build to restore its reputation across the board.
it was a really good game !!! with high reviews .... yet it failed somehow ... and i was shocked when i heard they will make sequel !!! cuz the game failed !!! ... yet we didn't see the game yet even after 8 years after we saw the trailer for the first time ... i doubt they will make it exclusive for NX cuz it won't sell enough again ! only NX owners will be able to get it and only some will get the game ... so it won't sell enough AGAIN !
@gcunit i'd like to see it the first was great game, if it's Nintendo fund it or never see the sequel. then yeah Nintendo fund it works for me.
@peeks you act like nx will fail, that depends how they try to sell it tbh. look how many xbox 360 players jumped ship to ps4.
@gcunit The people who don't want to buy a Nintendo console would prefer it doesn't exist as shown by the reactions to Bayonetta 2 being announced at E3 2014.
@kenrulei If Nintendo are paying for it, there's no risk involved for Ubisoft anyway, I suppose. A system exclusive for a franchise that sells well would be great though.
@MrGawain Honestly when I saw you mention Disgaea being on a Nintendo console, I lost it.
@ryando yeah it could jump start the beyond good and evil games into a series the first was great game
Yay! I love the rumor mill.
Wonder how true this is? Are PS & Xbox fanboys having melt downs yet?
I have the first game on ps3, must get around to playing it. Hear it's very good.
@Rhydas hmm i recall a ds port of the first one.
@readyletsgo oh it is go in blind though or it's kinda pointless, of cause it's a little dated now though tbh.
That's what I was hoping when Ubisoft said: It isn't coming to current gen. But lets face it: Its EXTREMELY wishful thinking!
@kenrulei I bought Beyond Good & Evil on the PS2 a month ago for a penny. Hoping to make time for it someday.
@ryando it's a fun play i don't recall it being to long either, at least for me 1st time through.
Hard to actually believe, but this is an exclusive I'd be pretty happy to have. And it also seems much more suited for Nintendo audiences than stuff like Devil's Third.
Ubisoft and Nintendo exclusives? I'll believe it, not even when it's announced, but when it's released.
@Grumblevolcano Exactly. Does anyone here think Bayonetta 2 was a bad idea? A 'mature' game rated as highly as it was - it's a massive boost to the Nintendo reputation. That doesn't translate to immediate sales increases, but provided Nintendo builds on it, with ideas like BG&E2 etc., then people really start paying attention and those that brushed off Bayo2 as a one-off begin to start changing their minds and giving Nintendo more serious consideration. You can't change hearts and minds overnight with one game, not very often anyway, but every little helps.
@kenrulei howlongtobeat.com is saying 12 hours for main story plus extras. Please send me evenings and weekends.
Nobody should believe this straight away but it would fit with Nintendo picking up games that are in development hell and/or struggling for funding e.g. Bayo 2, Devils Third. Probably a nice, cheap way of adding to their exclusives roster.
@kenrulei don't mind if it's dated tbh, I'll give it a go over the weekend. Thanks for your reply.
@ryando that's not that long tbh. i play jrpg's a lot 100 hour plus games usually (if you do everything) XD
@Grumblevolcano That's one of my major problems with gamers of today. They always say hey if they make or get games I'll play I will get said console.
Bayonetta 2 being Nintendo only. Well we've seen how people reacted.
Rise of Tomb Raider being released on the One first. Was greeted with utmost negativity by mostly Sony fanboys to the same point that they wanted it to fail like Bayonetta 2 just to spite SE. (It's an excellent game you guys should try if you got a One)
From the way I see from gamers today that if it's not on PS it's not worthy of being on any other platform. I mean there was almost no negative reactions when SF5 was announced to be a PS exclusive with PC and to me that's sad
@electrolite77 also a way to get good will with third party's if you think about it.
@liljmoore playing Tomb Raider on the xbone at the moment, enjoying it more than on the ps3 a few years back. Dont know why, maybe it's the controller that I like more when playing.
I'll pick up Rise of the Tomb Raider for the xbone in the summer when the price plummets when it comes to the ps4.
@liljmoore it's more of the each game if you ask me. tomb raider was successful with the reboot so a sequel wasn't a big surprise, but one system only at launch was a kick to those who played the first one. And tomb raiders all ways been on ps from tr 1, so it was big blow to them, i think it's more a blow to crystal dynamics the game looks good. but i refuse to buy a xbox 1 until they have a bunch games i must play, i got over halo after bungie left and fables been going down a steep hill. street fighter V not sure what happened there, there's no way capcom didn't make there money back in spades with street fighter 4 saga. so again it's a bit of it was gonna happen anyway but sony paid more, maybe to spite ms after tomb raider who knows?
Please be true.
Beyond Good and Evil is one of my favorite game of all time.
And my favorite Ubisoft game by a country mile.
@Kokusho one of my fave's too but rayman has the edge as i love platformers ^_^
@Kirk honestly out of Nintendo and Valve, Nintendo probably has a greater desire for a new half life
I've never played the original, but I've heard a lot of good things about it. If this turns out true, I guess it's time for me to! But wasn't the original title niche to the extreme? It'd be a kind of odd pick for Nintendo to choose this for an exclusive in particular, and I don't see it helping the NX very much. Hopefully if true it's not the only exclusive Nintendo has planned for us. If we're talking dead, highly rated, but somewhat niche franchises, I'd love to see a deal for a new Okami with Capcom...
I honestly thought this was cancelled ,scrapped and buried somewhere in Ubisoft vault
@ChuJelly bayonetta also falls under what you just described you know?
@zool so what did you think of zool 2? guessing you liked the 1st one as it's your avatar.
@JaxonH @Marce2240 Still a lot of trust put into Ubisoft here
Anyways, i believe this stuff when the box is on the shelve and no minute sooner.
Surely, Wii U would get Beyond Good And Evil HD if ANYTHING were to happen.... and we sure as hell did NOT get that!
I'd buy both, day one.
One thing I'll say about Ubisoft, is that they have proven to consistently invest in a launch game for Nintendo consoles. Red Steel and Zombi U to give a few examples.
And if even Square Enix is talking about supporting NX- a company that completely neglected Wii U, how much more then would Ubisoft- a company who dropped 7 AAA games on Wii U when everyone else had taken their money and ran or ignored it outright entirely?
Not to mention, you don't have to trust Ubisoft if Nintendo is paying for it.
Thats one great rumour, but I'll take it, even if it is a little salty. This game should have come out long ago (it would have been a great fit on Wii U) but it has yet to become Starcraft GHOST, so I'm optimistic it will still see the light of day on some platform, even if that isn't the NX.
I really hope this turns out to be true.
It's this is true than Bayonetta 2 being a storm of anger will become a Beyond Good and Evil hurricane.
Then again it's the same guys that made Rayman Legends multiplatform instead of a WiiU exclusive and left the Rayman team High and dry. So.........................
Who cares if it's an exclusive or not? Although, if Nintendo should really fund it, then they would have a right to make it exclusive, just as with Bayonetta 2. Rayman and Zombi U weren't funded by Nintendo, right?
Also, I don't get the comments saying that Nintendo and Ubisoft currently don't have a good relationship with each other. We're talking about two companies, not two people. Sure, Nintendo won't be super happy about what happened to Rayman Legends and Zombi U, but I highly doubt that it has any effect on their business relations with Ubisoft. Don't think of companies as an unforgiving person that is still pissed about something that happened in the past. A company doesn't have emotions (although it can have something like a soul). If it makes sense for both companies (financially and creatively), they will do it, it's as simple as that.
And I would love to see a sequel, although I haven't even finished BG&E yet.
@kenrulei zool 2 was better:)
I would welcome this news and it would be a day one buy for me. Nintendo needs games like this but like was said above it also needs multiplats to compete. If some of these rumors are true and it's easy to port games then we may see the only system Nintendo fans need.
If the NX does indeed have some of the tech rumored then it could be the perfect system for BG&E.
Had a brain glitch when I read the title and thought it was talking about Eternal Darkness 2. This isn't bad 'news' either though...
Oh and btw, somehow I stumbled upon this two year old article today:
The picture explicitly says:
Level Designer - Killer Freaks [later changed to Zombi U] / Beyond Good and Evil 2 (WiiU and PS3, Xbox 360)
Now this doesn't mean that it will be coming to Wii U, but at least we know that at some point, Ubisoft was working on a sequel.
Yes, it probably will be on the NX.
As a multiplatform game, like the last one was.
It's easy enough to confirm a game like this will be on the NX, but I sincerely doubt everything else, particularly the exclusivity.
The Wii U is proof positive that committing any exclusive by a 3rd party takes a leap of faith.
Unless Ubisoft and Nintendo are talking merger in the face of Vivendi's recent actions.
If Nintendo came forward as a interested investor, then I could definitely see Beyond 2 being NX exclusive.
With the Division, Far Cry, Rayman and the Just Dance series, Ubisoft has their hands in markets Nintendo doesn't have access to, so it would be a sound business decision for both parties.
Ubisoft and Nintendo? That relationship is doomed to fail.
Give me more Platinum collabs anyday!!
I don't see this being another Bayonetta 2.
Ubisoft is a big publisher. No way they would seek outside help with covering development costs and publishing. If anything it will be a launch exclusive and then go over to the other 2(3) a few months later.
@Einherjar always a prudent course of action.
Don't taunt me, internet!
THIS BETTER BE TRUE. THIS BETTER BE TRUE.
And as predicted, here we are. 3-digit comment section!
@LUIGITORNADO Perhaps they didn't seek it, and Nintendo came to them? If Nintendo is willing to fund and publish it, then it's a virtually no-risk endeavor as they're not the ones taking the fall. No reason not to really, especially if Ubisoft would have canned the project otherwise.
This is also why a PS4 exclusive Crash Bandicoot isn't out of the question.
@Einherjar There's a difference here; if what the report's saying is true, and Nintendo is FULLY FUNDING this like they did Bayonetta 2, then Ubisoft would be legally incapable of breaking contract on it.
I really hope it's true! I really enjoyed all the salty people about Bayonetta 2 being a Wii U exclusive.
I really want to believe this rumor, but it's Ubisoft we're talking about. Anyone remember how Rayman Legends being a Wii U exclusive? That got quickly turned down. And most likely Ubisoft will be bunch of a-holes, flip the middle finger at Nintendo and fans and release it on other platforms and delaying the Nintendo version, just like they did with Rayman Legends.
People don't know when to let go.
@LUIGITORNADO If that's true, they'd have done it already instead of delaying it for so long.
Getting their project 100% financially covered in exchange for exclusivity probably sounds like a very nice wind-fall for a small asking price to Ubisoft, especially given how long they've delayed it up to this point, so I don't see why they wouldn't take that bait.
Especially since the NX gaining better sales momentum off of one of their titles would only help them in the long run, financially, because it opens the door for other games from Ubisoft being more readily accepted.
There's also the fact that, thanks to the GC version, this game already has a pre-established Nintendo audience, unlike Bayonetta 2.
As for profit potential arguments behind it going multiplat instead, well, Ubisoft already has other multiplats that they can rely upon for profit; having one single game become exclusive to the NX wouldn't adversely affect their future so long as they're making other multiplats, so it's an acceptable risk, especially if they don't have to spend a cent on getting it made.
So really, there's good reasons why Ubisoft would take this deal.
It's more like investing on old multiplats is a leap of faith.
Having more exclusives to draw in a crowd would be the healthier decision, especially if the NX has the power to back it up.
It'll be Half Life 3 as NX exclusive next!
I hope this rumor is true, if only for the massive internet meltdowns. So much salt.
I want this to be true but there have been rumors about this game coming out for almost a decade. Still, if it is true, I'll buy a NX for it. BG&E 2 is all it would take for me.
@ottspooky Ehh, not quite HL3. Along with an official announcement from Ubisoft, we have pictures and teaser trailers for BG&E 2. lol
I really hope it would be true.
I loved the first one and if they do as bayonetta with a bundle of both games it'll be day one purchase for me
If it is true ( and that is a big IF ) I would very excited! I absolutely loved the original, still boot it up every now and then
What if Nintendo would form a "sub-brand" that would do/develope all the "mature games" - how some people call them - and would acquire with that some part of the Xbox/PS- and hip-teenage-oriented-people back?
If it's true I'll be a day one purchaser of the nx 👍
Getting games like this and say FF 7 remastered will really help Nintendo appeal to the core gamer crowd. Also getting EA on board with sports and guns should help a ton. Ubisoft and Nintendo do have a good relationship despite Ubisoft fickle nature. It seems like Nintendo could realistically be well supported by Capcom, Square-Enix, Ubisoft, EA, Namco, Sega, Tecmo-Koei, Platinum, and Warner. Hopefully they can get Bethesda and Rockstar on board too and have nearly every major publisher/developer on board.
This Geno is a muppet! (In game and in real life!)
Michel Ancel runs an independent studio Wild Sheep, nothing to do with Ubi.
Exclusive until two weeks before release when it's announced for all consoles and they get all the extra stuff, then delayed five months later. The NX version sells 42,000 copies compared to the 118,000 copies the other platforms sell.
Again, I'd love to be wrong about this. I very much enjoyed the first one and would like to play the sequel. That game would be a /very/ nice feather in the cap for the NX out of the gate. And, hey, this isn't Ubisoft we're talking about, right? Isn't this coming out of Mike Ancel's private studio? Or did I misunderstand this whole thing and Ubisuck is still making it themselves?
Hope this is true just for the meltdown
Considering the massive hype around Shenmue 3, this is exactly the kind of project that will get people to sit up and take notice of NX. An official sequel to an underappreciated game that fans thought would never happen. People know that NX will have Mario and Zelda. They don't expect stuff like this.
I played the first one on my DS!
i just wanna play the first! >_<
Its a little early for April fools. This is a game that was suppose to come out last gen on the PS3/360 and never did. It still hasn't come out this gen on the PS4/XB1 and you expect me to believe it will be an NX exclusive? Its easier to believe in purple flying unicorns.
If the rumor is exactly true, then Nintendo would have funded the game and have full control over what systems it's on.
I liked Beyond Good and Evil but didn't find it anything exceptional to be honest. Not convinced by the rumour anyway.
This would be awesome. I loved the first game and even though I do understand the meaning of rumors and salt, this is something I would like to believe.
After this make the same thing with following games that also need sequels.
Shadow of the colossus
Parappa the Rapper
Legacy of Kain
Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines
And for the love of god make a sequel for Pokemon Snap. We need it!
@kenrulei Yeah that's true. But I was hoping thinking more along the lines of Disgaea 2, 3 4 and 5 as well.
@MrGawain Now the others will be welcome additions to, say, the New 3DS or Wii U, I think~
I hope this is true.
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