Trademarks And Logos For The Next Pokémon Game Surface Online Ahead Of Tomorrow's Nintendo Direct

what about Pokemon Z? I want that over a new generation

Meh

I don't like it the logos but I'm still hyped!!!

I was expecting Gen 7 to be saved for the 3DS successor.

These names seem like a step down from X/Y, Black/White, or Diamond/Pearl. That's just how I feel anyway.

cue song from miss saigon.

I was really hoping for a Pokémon Z. Zygarde needs the spotlight, and Kalos can be fleshed out so much more.

Way to go internet, you just ruined the surprise for tomorrows Pokémon direct.

Relax people, this may have nothing to do with tomorrow's showing. It could be readying for the next series of Pokemon games that come to the NX.

Honestly Pokémon Z would be great but I'm ready for a new generation.

So are we getting yet another 100 or more new critters this year? Sometimes I feel like they could stretch generations a few years more.

So which country will be the inspiration this time?

China? UK? Russia?

Hmmm. In Soviet Russia, Pokémon catch you.

Very hyped for this; if it is indeed tomorrow's reveal it could signal Nintendo moving away from a third game structure. We were all expecting Grey and it never happened, so... it could also be a trademark for something very far in the future, but I'd be happy if this was the subject of the Direct tomorrow. (I'd probably also not be fussed if it wasn't though to be fair)

@teamshortcut I feel like a new lot of Pokemon and a new region would be too soon though; fingers crossed for a new game in an old region? (or maybe even multiple regions, unlikely as that is!)

Pokemon Zee or Zed

Anyway, I'm sure it will be more of the same on the current gen titles. Low frame rates, slow leveling, and 9000 more pokemon. This is why I've stuck to the classics.

Perhaps these are still in kalos and feature new legendary pokemon

And this people is why we can't have nice things.

RIP WALLET SO MANY RELEASE ON 3DS

More Pokemans. I'm satisified.

I was wondering what naming convention they would use (colors, letters, minerals). Now, we have to add celestial objects to the list.

Why can't the internet just keep it's trap shut? Can you do that, internet? Can you please just do me that one thing!?

Can't wait for some kinky pokemon S&M

@teamshortcut The third game made sense back in the days of Yellow, Crystal or Emerald, because there was a lot to be improved and added, and they could not fathom using downloadable updates to deliver it.
I mean, Red and Blue, are amazing games, but they sure had a ton of glitches and rough edges, Yellow was almost a necessity.
Nowadays, we could get on just fine with two games.

Alot of negatively for no real good reason, I think the names and logos look great! I assume they are for 3ds, but who said the 3ds is on its last legs, the NX being part portable is only a rumour can't wait to hear more about these games tomorrow.

Because the world needs two more of the exact same thing.....again.

We are in the third year since X&Y so a new generation announcement really wouldn't surprise me. Still crossing my fingers for the X&Y Special/Sequel Edition though.

Good news: excited!
Bad news: can't they just wait until after Nintendo Direct to trademark the logos? kinda ruined the surprised, on one hand i don't care about being spoiled the surprised. on the other, it kinda ruined the part of what Nintendo Direct is. in my Opinion

@hYdeks The 3DS may be nearing the end of its cycle, but that's absolutely normal for Game Freak. They have never been early adopters of Nintendo handhelds, they prefer a larger userbase on older hardware than new hardware and a small userbase. Pokémon is never a launch title.
Moon and Sun might have some enhancements for New 3DS, but I'd be appalled it they were not being developed for the regular 3DS and 2DS first and foremost.

Looks awesome but ffs why do people love spoiling surprises!

It wouldn't be unusual for the 7th gen games to come to the 3DS.

The 4th and 5th gen were on the original DS after all.

(I'm not too bothered about this spoiler really, I mean let's be real here....you know we're all going to be jumping from the ceilings if we see a trailer and starter reveals tomorrow)

I'm excited and curious at the same time!

@allav866 Really? Anything is better than X and Y, which are just 2 letters. but that's just me.

Now I'm actually interested in the direct. This is way more interesting than Z

These names make me think of Anistar City from X and Y, they could still be gen 6 games!

@Samurai_Goroh Totally agreed. At least BW2 had some story and relatively interesting villain team to build on, so with all new features added it was worth it. I personally didn't care enough about the characters in XY to want a sequel, which is a shame with the great war in the backstory and all. It could have been more interesting, even if it is for kids.

Can't wait to hear more details!

Cool stuff. Lookin' forward to seeing the starters/legendaries tomorrow.

@Aozz
that's why it's releasing on FRIDAY! Each new pokemon is a microtransaction! Also sun and moon are just code names! The real games will be called pokemon E and pokemon A!

Personally, I'd prefer the next generation over Pokemon Z. What I don't really want, despite how lovely ORAS was, is yet another game using the X/Y engine.

If they are the new generation, I'll go with Pkmn Moon. Can't wait for tomorrow!
It also is a bit understandable that they drop the third edition mechanism - all improvements can now be downloaded with an update.
And finally.... If we don't get Pkmn Z, I'll have to get Y, since my brother has no intention of giving back my copy of X...

Well, I saw the spoilers on the FB page....
ugh, I hate it.

Well, I will do it like I have done the last 2 gen, I won't spoil the new pokemons (other than the main legendary pokemons)

@OneBagTravel leveling is actually faster now and the framerate is only bad with 3D on and really, more pokemon bother you? Lol go play red and blue which actually horrible and Gold and Silver which have remakes superior in every single way.

@abbyhitter Who's to say that this doesn't take place in Kalos? We know nothing right now. Just wait and see...

I'm gonna guess that Lunatone and Solrock finally get some usefulness by getting Mega Evolutions. Still wonder if this is a new generation though.

@invictus4000 A little slow are ye?

inb4 Pokemon Up and Pokemon Down

Seriously, though, I'm really glad these will be new games and not a rehash of the last gen.

Sounds cool, not original, but Sun/Moon is a great classic!

But there is a little detail I find hilarious, Digimon already have a Sun and Moon version games on DS! XD
(To be totally fair, Digimon did Dawn and Dusk, but still... close enough!)

We'll probably have reach over 800 pokemon by now. Also i notice the theme its related to Golden Sun. Come On Nintendo where is my Golden Sun at.

The leak was quite specific that Rainbow was a Codename not an official title. Makes the leak seem pretty solid now.

I never played X/Y, so I was really hoping for the long rumored Z. Could still happen, I suppose.

I just realized that, if these names are accurate, the new gen will be Pokemon S&M.

Awesome.

I wonder if these two are connected in any way or if they're existence is ignored completely:

Anyone else have the official Nintendo magazine on Facebook? they blurted this out in an post that contained the logos, thus no spoiler protection.

Not amazing names but I love these logos!

I gave them the time untill end of the February to anounce new games. Seems I was right.

@Peach64 I'm using todays rumour and tomorrow's direct to kind of verify that entire Pokémon Rainbow and NX rumour.

If today's rumour is true and tomorrow they confirm these hit during the holidays that gives all his other rumours from the same source a lot more weight

I'm actually excited for this. Everybody was so sure we were getting "Z" tomorrow, now we get to wonder what these games are. Moon is probably an endless runner and Sun a match 3 game.

@Ralizah "Pokemon S&M." That IS awesome. After they are done playing the games my kids can read the 50 Shades of Grey trilogy.

I don't care if I haven't seen anything about this game yet. I'm getting moon version.

Intriguing. I can't wait to see the details.

HYPE

@rjejr If the player avatar can wear leather in these games, I'm going to lose it.

Hype!!! #TeamPokemonMoon

@Damo - Are you taking into account NinlendoAmerica twitter account is a fake (Nintendo but w/ an "L", that's not yet another in a string of my bad typos) Apparently the other websites are slowly catching on. I don't know about the trademark website info, just trying to help.

See the update near the top -

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-02-25-pokemon-sun-and-moon-trademarks-pop-up-a-day-before-nintendo-direct

And I was right no Z.

So that's what the comments under the "What's your favorite mainline Pokémon game?" poll were about. After the France-like Kalos, here's hoping Generation VII will be set in a region similar to Italy!

Pokemon Birthright and Pokemon Conquest

@Peach64 how does it solidify the 'leak'? Because Rainbow and Sun/Moon aren't really all that similar. Is it because they're new (gen 7) games? If so again it's really a 50/50 shot as to if the big announcement was Z or gen 7. Is that all that needs to be proven for a leak to become solid? Getting a 50/50 shot right? I remember the leaker for Gematsu regarding the Smash fighters managed to predict Wii Fit Trainer of all characters, but couldn't get some others like Robin, Duck Hunt and Bowser Jr. When did our standards fall from way back then when someone who got Wii Fit Trainer right was considered dubious for months but now we're giving 50/50 chancers credit? And as with the Gematsu leak, getting one thing right does not automatically validate everything else, otherwise Chrom and the Chorus Kids would be playable in Smash.

@rjejr The information comes from valid sources. They're official trademarks, the message from "Ninlendo of America" is fake, but all it was doing was pretending to confirm the games for 3DS and what-not, so it doesn't really hamper anything. Most likely they were using this as an opportunity to fake legitimacy of their own account rather than the other way around.

Gen 6 was my least favourite by some distance so I'll be glad to see the back of it and move on to a new one. I like the look of the new logos and names

Cool logos, lame names. Oh well!

@TheLastLugia I think most of us believed Gematsu was on the money since until Robin and Lucina were confirmed and Chrom was deconfirmed, he got everyone revealed up to that point correct and not just WFT.

I'd imagine the Legendary Pokemon regarding Moon is a Fairy type. For Sun a Fire type?

I was hoping for Pokemon Z, but this also looks interesting. I can't wait to see the legendary designs.

@RupeeClock Then have Pokemon Revelations as paid DLC a few weeks after launch. Also the games releasing in Europe like 6 months after the US.

@BlatantlyHeroic "They're official trademarks"

But what is in the trademarks? Are these logos official - to my extremely limited trademark knowedgle the titles/words would be trademarked, not these logos. Also, does the trademark list them as 3DS games as the fake tweet and article does? Moon and Sun could be NX games in 2017, "Z" games could still be coming out on 3DS this year.

I'm just wondering if people are making TOO MUCH of a name trademark b/c of the fake tweet and jumping to conclusions the facts don't merit?

@Late
Not legendaries, but version exclusives. Calling it now.
And for good measure, following the "our legendary is in the other game" mentality that put Zekrom in White and Reshiram in Black, Solrock in Moon and Lunatone in Sun. Again, calling it now.

Yeah, not really surprised that it's a new generation, it matches the pattern of one new generation every 3-4 years, so...

To be fair, I was hoping this would wait til tomorrow, because it would have been more fun trying to figure out what they were gonna call the next pokemon games...

No Pokemon Iron and Copper yet. =)

Interesting. I've bought every generation thus far, why stop now?

@TheLastLugia Because the leak, made a week ago said there would be a new Pokemon game and a Disney Art Academy game coming this year, and now there's evidence surfaced for both games. When the leak was made, there was no Direct planned so a new Pokemon wasn't exactly obvious. Again, it was stated Rainbow was a Codename, so it doesn't matter it's not close to Sun/Moon.

@Damo OK, as long as the logos are real, that was my main concern, as I couldn't find them online anywhere not associated w/ the fake tweet. And I did look.

My 2nd concern was if these were officially confirmed to be on 3DS or if you just assumed they were when you wrote this based on the fake tweet info?

"...it might initially seem odd that Nintendo is pushing a new game to the aging 3DS."

Also take into account that we have no idea what the NX is and if it's not a portable system a mainline pokemon game won't be on it.

HELL YEAH! Not another third version. I wonder if this will still be 6th generation. With the recent reveal of that new Pokémon Magearna, it might just be an all new generation. SO PSYCHED!

This seems interesting but wonder what myths they will use this time because their a lot of them involving the sun and moon.

But the biggest question is on what handheld or console it will appear so it seems i have a reason to watch the pokemon direct tomorrow.

This was unnecesary. I would prefer if there was no leak and tomorrow would be a big surprise.

Good. X and Y named based on the shape of Pokemon was dumb. I hope this harkens back to Ho-Oh and Lugia.....with the rainbow wing and all....nigi wing....Mt. Moon.....16 gyms...anyone?

See that they've gone down the two versions route again but still, looks pretty good to me, liking the new logos. Whether it's still Gen 6 or the next, I'm excited to hear more.

Dunno why though but Ho-Oh &Lugia suddenly sprang to mind when I saw Sun & Moon

Welp IGN spoiled me cause it was in their freaking headline. Thanks a lot, I don't know why I even bother to go there anymore, but what can I say, I'm bored today. Thanks for the spoiler notice anyway NL.

As for the topic, I would much prefer this over Z, so this gets my approval. Seems unlike them to skip a third game though, so is it possible that we could get that one too?

I wasn't going to click this article, but the first thing I saw on my facebook feedback were the logos.

Still pretty excited for tomorrow's Direct.

Oh man, what a shame. Just like Roy + Ryu and among other things, a nice surprise ruined. Times like this is when I hate the internet...

Even though its highly unlikely imagine if these turned out to be a launch title for the NX since some sources have hinted they may be releasing the handheld this year

M - O - O - N, that spells MOON, laws yes!!! (__|__)

Wow, lots and lots of negativity, for no reason!!!! Not a Gen Six game, negative. A Gen VII game, Negative!
Guys, we have no idea what these logos mean!!! So let me infer, what this could be.
The Third/Fourth Pokémon X and Y game
I've always had a hunch that due to the low New Pokémon count (excluding Megas) maybe we'll get Pokémon Gen 6.5 based on Western Germany. This would be the most likely path...but interesting that'd really change up the names like that...
NX Pokémon game, THAT WONT BE ANNOUNCED TOMORROW!!!!
This could very well be a Future NX release and we very well could get Z tommorow. Why???? Simple, it makes some sense. These logos could have been accidentally leaked for all we know and these are the NX's Pokémon games. So we will see.
Gen VII Now everyone is saying "why would Nintendo release a main line Pokémon game on a dead handheld??" Um guys, God have we forgotten....Black and White!?!?!? Gen V!?!?!? Yes that, would make VII a shortened Generation, like V. But it makes sense. This could make the 3DS viable for about a year or more. It would make more money for Nintendo, just like the DS with Black and White.
Still charge for tomorrow!!!!!!

@HandheldGuru97 These logos and names were officially trademarked a day before the official reveal of what the Pokemon Company called: something "big". I'm pretty darn sure that these have to be that "something big".

Hahahaha I knew Z would never be a thing. Why idiots wanted that is beyond me. You want the exact same thing as X and Y with a slightly tweaked story and stupid Zygarde as the main legendary? Come on now.

I hope it's like Black2/White2. It should be like that...

I wanted it to be on on NX!!!

BUT WHATEVER WOOOOHOOOO GEN 7!!!!!!!

Good. I hope with a new name type, not just a color or letter, we'll see more change in the game this time around. Been burned out on Pokemon, want to see some fresh concepts and ideas - please dump the 8 badge story for something new.

Let's hope this is a bit of a facelift for the series which is the franchise closest to being annualized by Nintendo.

Pokemon Z seemed very unlikely to me in the past few months for several reasons. It's been quite a period of time since the gen. 3 remakes so I figured they had to be working on something with more new content than another Kalos version. New generations are always a win for pokemon gamers, even better than a 3rd version "done right" in my opinion; bring on gen. 7!

I'm hyped, but will probably be Dissapointed nothing major gets announced instead.

@majinx07
Blame it on who put the pictures in plain sight on the trademark site when registering the TMs!

I've always dreamed of a region based on Brazil with Aztec legendaries. Fingers are crossed, but I'll be happy with whatever they dish out.

Dual release on 3DS and NX. I want to believe!

(But probably shouldn't)

@Damo "Assuming we're being told tomorrow"

That was kind of my point. Do we know Moon and Sun are tomorrow's big announcement? The timing of the trademarks sure makes sense, and I for one do not believe in coincidences so they probably are, but I feel like we just don't know.

On the bright side - and I think you are 100% correct we won't be hearing about any NX games, that's for sure - we only have about 22 hours to wait. I'm still expecting for there to be at least 1 surprise tomorrow in that 5 minutes. Though that could be as simple as a release date of "Holiday 2016" for Moon and Sun. The fake tweet mentioned that release date but to your credit you never said a time, good for you.

@gamerphil07 obligatory correction because brazil and aztec culture are not related at all.

Intriguing, but I'll wait until after tomorrow's Direct before I start speculating.

Awesome. Looking forward to it.

@chrisave4 Oh Thank God!

Who thinks these might have new 3ds extended features or exclusive to the new 3ds.Also what the region is going to be like.

So the special 3rd release would be Poke'mon Eclipse? Sounds like an awesome cover band.

@John_Enigma Sorry, I erased the comment, so it actually appears to be true. What is fake is the official announcement, but not the news.

https://oami.europa.eu/eSearch/#details/trademarks/015148976

BONUS: look at Masuda's post: He even mentions the words "moon" and "sun"
https://twitter.com/Junichi_Masuda/status/700214210483990528?s=09

@SmaMan
Nope. Something worse.

Something that happens between day and night.

@AlexSora89 But he's actually 10...

@chrisave4 Good job on updating on this!
Anyway, Tom Phillips dun goofed on posting an update based on "Ninlendo of America"
Tho we all make mistakes ~

Pokemon on NX would be a terrible idea.

@Arcamenel Unless, NX is also a handheld?

Sun/Moon will still be on 3DS if they really announce them tomorrow. Like @Damo said, it would be very uncharacteristic of Nintendo to announce games for a system that hasn't been revealed yet.

@Yorumi
And no more begging for Pikmin, Smash Bros. and 3D Metroid games on handhelds, either although the 3DS Smash game totally made up for the lack of handheld SSB games.

@AlexSora89
Ohhh man! That's hilarious!

But back to the topic... where are the Japanese logos?

I think they would prefer to release on already established hardware and are waiting for the water to finish warming up before releasing on NX Handheld, so not surprising to see a new generation on 3DS.

To be honest though, I feel like they handled the 6th generation incredibly poorly with bad distribution methods for event Pokemon and refusing to patch in new forms and moves into X and Y, thus making them completely obsolete. I would understand this happening when they do a new generation like they are now, but not within the same one. At least, not when we now have the freaking technology in Nintendo hardware to actually support updates and content additions.
So I'll be wary of this new generation.
BTW, are they skipping out on making a third game for the 6th gen? I know they tried something different and made sequels for the 5th gen, but are they going to skip it altogether this time?

@SmaMan That's a good question. The answer is probably that the American and Japanese trademark officials are not as inept as the European ones.

I think it still could be the rumored 6.5 gen. Does not mean they had to go with the XYZ names if they are set in a land that neighbors Kalos (Perhaps letting us go to Kalos like GSC's Kanto).

Still, we'll find out everything in less then 24 hours anyhow...

@AVahne "[They] are waiting for the water to finish warming up before releasing on NX Handheld"

Pokémon mainline games are basically zero-risk investments, and there would be nothing better to "warm up the waters" and sell new consoles as a new main line Pokémon game at launch!

@Pokefanmum82 Why? Isn't a new game more exciting than a rehash of an older game?

This might be a Pokemon 'rainbow' version.

It is entirely possible that tomorrow's Direct will focus on Pokémon "Z", while these trademarks are for future NX Pokémon releases that Nintendo/Game Freak will not officially talk about until a year or so from now.

Or Pokémon Sun and Moon could be 3DS titles?? I don't know. Let's just wait for tomorrow.

Next up Pokemon: Soil and Pokemon: Tree

Awesome! I love the names and logos. I am glad it's not another me-too entry, which never excited me. I hope this time they can have 3D throughout the game on the New 3DS, but it's Nintendo so I'm not holding my breath. Can't wait.

I hope this is Gen 7 honestly. Could still be part of Gen 6 though.

What exactly points to this being a 3DS release instead of NX launch titles?

@Bsham Nah it'll be Pokemon Protoman and Pokemon Colonel.

I hope it's Gen 7 Kalos is nice and all but a Pokemon Z after like 3 years since X and Y would be a bit disappointing I would have thought they took a year off last year so they can create something new rather than a remake or copy and past work cough battle maison cough

Ah the ol' "It's trademarked so it's confirmed" belief.

Pokemon Grey, Pokemon Brown, the trademarked oras megas like jynx and plusle/minin, Delta Emerald, and yet we've seen not one of these.

Nintendo trademarks things just to say "ok, we can do this if we decide to" but they usually never become a thing.. Don't you find it ironic how every game that was confirmed never got trademarked? We just got the reveal? and everything that was trademarked never became a thing? We didn't know of X/Y until X/Y suddenly was a thing, we didn't know of oras until the reveal stream flat out reveal plans to show it (and absolutely nothing of it besides a 2 second cutscene and a man infiltrating a kid's house and bathing with him), while this may be like that niconico stream reveal, i doubt it since it's just somebody claiming a trademark (and trademarks aren't something you make overnight...)

I wouldn't get hopes up for this. I mean, it's possible, but I'm holding my excitement until the direct ends.

I have no actual clue why people are complaining saying they'd rather have X2 and Y2.
For why? The original was meh but why the heck WOULDNT you want a whole new region. Majority of Nintendo fans are never satisfied..

@Yorumi They could reveal the NX with them as launch titles. I mean the NX has been told to be a 2016 release and this might be the big "this is what it is" reveal.

@Yorumi Thought this was a nintendo direct, hmm. Most likely not then.

@MegaBeedrill You're wrong. These aren't just trademarks, these are trademarks with logos that came out just a day before the next direct, AND Masuda just took a picture of the moon and tweeted it, most likely hinting at the reveal tomorrow.

Sigh, the internet is very quick to spoil things.

Anyway, I'm still thinking that any games revealed tomorrow will either be Pokemon Z or X and Y sequels. They have always previously released a third game or sequels, there are still Zygarde formes that can't be obtained in games, and the Pokemon anime is called Pokemon XY&Z.

Hopefully. I'm wrong. A brand new generation would be much better than a directors cut edition or sequels.

Gen 7 is arriving LET'S GO!

Pokemon in space!

I was hoping that they would move on to generation 7 instead of another Kalos game, and it seems that these two games will be for the next generation! Great logos as well. The last time they traveled back to a region twice in one gen, we got BW2. Those are probably my least favorite mainline Pokemon games, and I think part of the reason was the return to the same region was way too soon. I think the same would happen with Z (even if it took place in southern Kalos), and I think they should make Z as a remake someday.

@Late no one cares about those guys still it seems.

@Peach64
Did you really think we won't get a Pokemon game on its 20th anniversary and having none last year?

YES! Gen 7! No need to dwell on the awful Gen 6 anymore.

Now let's just hope it's actually better.

Even though I'm certain these will come out for the 3DS, don't cross out the possibility of it coming out for the "NX". The direct can announce that a new pokemon game will come out this year but not on what console.

You know, I have been pondering for a long time what there was left to use to name the versions, but I guess I was still only thinking of colors. Still have yet to have an Orange or Purple version.

@Expa0 But what if someone liked gen 6, are they allowed to hope that it stays similar to those entries?

I'd be excited for a new generation. I enjoyed BW more than DPP, so I'm also optimistic about another generation on the 3DS.

And to those complaining about "Oh they're just going to add another bunch of unnecessary Pokemon" I have this to say: Kalos added the least new Pokemon of any generation. Only 70 or so. We haven't gotten very many new species since 2010. I'd like for Game Freak to use a 4 GB cartridge and add another 150 species.

Anyone else sick of Nintendo's crap getting leaked all the time?

@EatMyMoney just when a direct comes along don't look at any Nintendo site or gaming site because it will be there.

@Salnax The game has to be smaller otherwise there can't be New 3DS bundles as Nintendo only provides a 4GB SD card.

What if these are actually the FireRed/LeafGreen remakes?

@Grumblevolcano No one said that they WOULD bundle these games with a nN3DS. The games are made first, marketing strategies come after the product is done. If need be, I'm sure they'd choose a higher GB SD card for bundles.

I wish we could've waited a day for official announcement, but oh well... As for the games I'm super excited regardless if it's gen6.5 or gen7 (heck might even include both gen6 and 7 for all we know). Looking forward to see what's announced tomorrow. I'm hoping for some small pieces of gameplay like when XY was 1st announced.

@Grumblevolcano Or they could, you know, just provide physical copies in the bundle. That's always an option. Besides, it's not like they're not allowed to provide a larger SD card if they provide digital copies, whether that be download codes or just pre-installed.

Damn the internet leaking everything!!!

Anyway, I had actually hoped to see them announce Z already, just to get it over with. The idea of a new gen is exciting but I feel like it's too soon though. I happen to like the logos a lot, but the names don't exactly roll off the tongue.

Pokemon X&Y were pretty bland, to me at least, so I'm glad they're skipping Pokemon Z.

If it looks exactly like XY/ORAS, then I'm not interested...

What if this turns out to be mobile games...

I don't know, is Pokemon Sun/Moon going to be Gen VII is that what tomorrows direct going to show? I was expecting Pokemon Z, let us see Zygarde's Complete form don't make it exclusive to the anime. How are we gonna get Volcanion in the games if they announce a new generation. It just doesn't seem right to me to have them announce the next generation without wrapping up Gen VI. Plus the fact it's a little early to announce the next generation when we haven't even seen a third installment to the current gen.

@Grumblevolcano Haha that would be more like it. Super dark and violent strayegy pokemon game.

YESSSSSSSSS! PLEASE TELL ME THIS IS TRUE! I NEED POKEMON MOON!

Good! I'm much more excited for this than I would've been for Pokemon Z but it seemed pretty clear there was a new generation coming when they announced Magiana.

And as far as the "surprise being ruined" goes... I'm even more excited about tomorrow's direct now that new games are confirmed (even if they were all but confirmed already).

@KLZ I was thinking of the Aztec Empire, which is not the same thing. Whoops!

I took a few good hours debating whether to spoil myself until I said: "**** it, it's Pokemanz how I can resist?!"

I freaking love Sun/Moon/Day/Night motifs and combine that with Pokemon?! (<--- refer to my avatar) Bit disappointed though that this seems like a new gen instead of a Kalos sequel but NEW GEN HYPE.

@Peach64
The "evidence" for Disney Art Academy was on the internet before that video was made. I looked up one of those store pages (MacMall), and it was there since at least the 16th of February. Guessing a pokemon game is a fairly safe guess, we didn't get any last year.

This would be amazing!

@invictus4000 I hope they do go a little dark but not to dark in between fire emblem and the old pokemon games.Also have a new region with new ideas with the best graphics that the 3ds can have or just go new 3ds only.It be nice if they did a Xenoblade chronicles 3d like format for pokemon but that will be asking to much.Next have better backgrounds for the battles.

If Sakarai was developing this, he'd start cutting content I bet. ha ha.

This all looks a little too staged, but I guess we'll wait and see.

Im calling it as of now Solrock is the legendary in sun and lunatone is in moon!

@Ralizah HAHAAHA im totally cracking up! I didn't even thought about that (neither did they) LOL!!!
Pokemon S&M. They should use that Rihanna song as an intro for the new anime series.

This theming reminds me of Megaman Battle Network 4: Blue Moon and Red Sun. I love the logos too. I would much prefer a new generation than to revisit Kalos again.

So which version are you guys getting?

@IceClimbers Moon. Definitely Moon

YOU TAKE THE MOON, AND YOU TAKE THE SUN. YOU TAKE EVERYTHING THAT SEEMS LIKE FUN

I must be the only one here who's concerned about moving onto 7th gen so soon. It doesn't necessarily mean that Kalos isn't getting another release, but depending how they go about it Kalos probably won't benefit from this game (or even suffer) and that would leave a bad taste in people's mouth and rob Kalos of the possibility of redemption. Also, what does this mean for the NX? Are we going to have to wait until 2019? That would be too late, and the NX may suffer for it just like the 3DS did in its early years. So yeah, this could be a good game but I'm extremely concerned that there's so many ways for this to go wrong and leave a bad taste in people's mouths.

@Joestar-
MIX EM UP IN THE DEAD OF NIGHT,
BUT DON'T CALL THE THIRD VERSION "TWILIGHT"
MAKE THE NEW WORLD A TRAINER'S HEAVEN,
CALL IT GENERATION SEVEN,
TAKE THE MOON, TAKE THE SUN,
A NEW TRIP ON HYPE TRAIN HAS BEGUN

@shaneoh it wasn't a simple guess. The codename was mentioned and also the launch window, which is more substantial than a simple "guess".

@damo Good that the spoilers are within the article, well done.
I like the new logos and names, hopefully the developers boost the engine with improved visuals and better design, XY looked dated.

@Bolt_Strike I'd guess 2018 for Gen 8 if Sun and Moon are indeed Gen 7. As for Z, they skip it and instead allow you to go to Kalos in Sun and Moon's postgame with a Zygarde plot. I think the idea of third versions will be abandoned entirely.

So instead of fixing the crapfest that was X and Y with a X2 and Y or Z like how they did with Diamond and Pearl, they decide to make a whole new generation already? I guess there is no point of me being excited with gen 7 then, because I'm already dissapointed.

I'm hoping that everyone will be proven wrong during tonight's Direct and that Moon/Sun are mere expansions for the TCG. =P

@sillygostly
As we say here in Italy, stop owling around. Or, to put it internationally, stop jinxing it on purpose, jeez!

@rogue_agent
A codename which has been used before for previous Pokemon projects, and an october-november launch window just like the last two generations? Yeah people couldn't guess this stuff....

@sillygostly
I can't say I'd be disappointed with that outcome

The guy who broke "Pokemon Rainbow" said it was a code name and not an actual title name.

"aging 3DS"
lol
I honestly doubt the NX will offer a superior portable experience. It seems impossible almost.

@shaneoh "Pokemon Niji" has been used before?

@shaneoh : Neither would I. I know I'm clutching at straws here though.

I just can't help noticing that the general aesthetic of these logos are more consistent with the TCG expansions than they are with the main series games. International versions of the main series logos generally do not contain a symbol/icon within them (these symbols/icons are used to differentiate between the many expansions in the card game).

I'm still holding out for the real surprise tonight.

@IceClimbers That probably wouldn't work out well. If Kalos is relegated to post game they won't have the time or money to fix its problems and that would set a bad precedent that Game Freak doesn't put a lot of effort into their games or care about quality.

@rogue_agent
Apparently so

@shaneoh Well, okay. The source didn't mention "Rainbow", that was just what the leaker surmised since that's the translation, which the leaker later clarified.

Regardless of whether this stuff is easy to guess or has been mentioned before, some of it still has come true relatively soon after the leaker reported on his info. Perhaps time will tell if all info turns out to be true.

@Bolt_Strike You're overthinking it. Most people won't care about "fixing Kalos' problems" when it's secondary to a whole new region with new Pokemon.

@IceClimbers It will matter when that new region is equally as shallow as Kalos and has GSCHGSS' pacing problems. Like I said, it'll set a precedent that Game Freak doesn't care about depth or quality, which will turn a lot of people off to the series.

@Bolt_Strike Again, you're too focused and worried about "fixing Kalos' problems."

For one, most people loved the Johto games.

Second, having Kalos in the postgame doesn't mean it'll have the pacing of the Johto games (which didn't have bad pacing to begin with).

Third, it's not like they have to go to Kalos to do the Zygarde story arc.

It doesn't set any precedent at all. Most are ready for a new generation. You're freaking out over nothing.

Will you pick Moon or the Sun. They better let you go to the moon or travel to the sun in these games. Is it a new generation for the NX? Is it the 3DS final hurrah? Tune in tomorrow and watch the direct to find out.

@IceClimbers "Again, you're too focused and worried about "fixing Kalos' problems.""

It's not just about Kalos. The new region is inevitably going to be shallow when it comes out, and will also have problems if we move onto the NX soon. And by that point, we'll start to develop a pattern of having shallow, initial games that don't have a followup.

"Second, having Kalos in the postgame doesn't mean it'll have the pacing of the Johto games (which didn't have bad pacing to begin with)."

Yes it will. By necessity, they would have to cut down on the pacing to accommodate another region. Otherwise you'd reach Lv. 100 long before you finish Kalos.

"Third, it's not like they have to go to Kalos to do the Zygarde story arc."

In theory, you're right, but it just wouldn't be right. For one, Zygarde is deeply connected to the Kalos region, so it only feels appropriate that the Zygarde plot takes place in Kalos. Second, if they shove Zygarde into a new region then it gets overshadowed by the new Pokemon.

@Bolt_Strike You can get through Kanto in the Johto games with your Pokemon finishing at around Level 50-60. So it's entirely possible to have a different pacing. They also can slow the level increase for opponent's Pokemon in Kalos if need be.

"The new region is inevitably going to be shallow when it comes out"

You don't have proof of that.

@Chaoz I'd rather they just move on at this point. Nothing can be done to fix Kalos because the heart of the problems in G6 was not enough new Pokemon and too much focus on Mega Evolutions. You can't give Kalos it's own unique flavor when you have only 55 regional Pokemon - minus the mandatory Legendaries and Starters.

Ooh, this is going to be cool. My daughter just started getting into Pokemon last year, so this is the first time she will see the birth of a new generation. And we play the TCG too, so even if it's just a new TCG set we're good.

@IceClimbers "You can get through Kanto in the Johto games with your Pokemon finishing at around Level 50-60. So it's entirely possible to have a different pacing."

It's not really satisfying though, because the Johto trainers and Kanto NPCs are too low, which makes it boring and too easy.

They also can slow the level increase for opponent's Pokemon in Kalos if need be.

Actually, it'd be your Pokemon that are more problematic. I finished XY with the EXP Share on and ended up at Lv. 80. Tacking on an entirely new region would mean you end up at Lv. 100 less than halfway through.

"You don't have proof of that."

I don't need proof. Generation debuts are always shallow because they need to put more effort into new Pokemon, the new region, new characters, etc. A new generation inevitably soaks up the time that they could be using to fix Kalos, the only way Kalos can really be fixed is if it gets an entire region to itself.

@IceClimbers "You can get through Kanto in the Johto games with your Pokemon finishing at around Level 50-60. So it's entirely possible to have a different pacing."

It's not really satisfying though, because the Johto trainers and Kanto NPCs are too low, which makes it boring and too easy.

They also can slow the level increase for opponent's Pokemon in Kalos if need be.

Actually, it'd be your Pokemon that are more problematic. I finished XY with the EXP Share on and ended up at Lv. 80. Tacking on an entirely new region would mean you end up at Lv. 100 less than halfway through.

"You don't have proof of that."

I don't need proof. Generation debuts are always shallow because they need to put more effort into new Pokemon, the new region, new characters, etc. A new generation inevitably soaks up the time that they could be using to fix Kalos, the only way Kalos can really be fixed is if it gets an entire region to itself.

@IceClimbers "You can get through Kanto in the Johto games with your Pokemon finishing at around Level 50-60. So it's entirely possible to have a different pacing."

It's not really satisfying though, because the Johto trainers and Kanto NPCs are too low, which makes it boring and too easy.

They also can slow the level increase for opponent's Pokemon in Kalos if need be.

Actually, it'd be your Pokemon that are more problematic. I finished XY with the EXP Share on and ended up at Lv. 80. Tacking on an entirely new region would mean you end up at Lv. 100 less than halfway through.

"You don't have proof of that."

I don't need proof. Generation debuts are always shallow because they need to put more effort into new Pokemon, the new region, new characters, etc. A new generation inevitably soaks up the time that they could be using to fix Kalos, the only way Kalos can really be fixed is if it gets an entire region to itself.

@IceClimbers "You can get through Kanto in the Johto games with your Pokemon finishing at around Level 50-60. So it's entirely possible to have a different pacing."

It's not really satisfying though, because the Johto trainers and Kanto NPCs are too low, which makes it boring and too easy.

They also can slow the level increase for opponent's Pokemon in Kalos if need be.

Actually, it'd be your Pokemon that are more problematic. I finished XY with the EXP Share on and ended up at Lv. 80. Tacking on an entirely new region would mean you end up at Lv. 100 less than halfway through.

"You don't have proof of that."

I don't need proof. Generation debuts are always shallow because they need to put more effort into new Pokemon, the new region, new characters, etc. A new generation inevitably soaks up the time that they could be using to fix Kalos, the only way Kalos can really be fixed is if it gets an entire game to itself.

YOU KNEW IT WAS COMING! They had to use this idea eventually!
As to why I spoiled it for myself...I made the mistake of going on to reddit...

@Bolt_Strike Ok, I totally forgot about the EXP Share. They'd have to address that if they wanted to even think about having two regions in the game. I suppose they could just give it to you later on. Or maybe make it have two modes - one that functions like Gen 6 EXP Share and the other that makes it function like it did before Gen 6.

@e105zeta They could have still improve the difficulty so it's not piss easy, added to the post game, add a variety of Pokémon from different regions, make the plot actually good, and ect. Hell, they could have gone full B2W2 mode and remake the region entirely, add more areas, make older areas bigger and more memorable, expend on the plot so it's doesn't sounds like a 4kids cartoon, not make Mega Evolutions feel forced into the plot, and do a crap ton more things in general to make G6 end on a high note.

@Squalllionhart Screw every other post. You WIN!

Any news coming from the Nintendo camp is fine with me. A new generation could be fun to explore. I don't understand the problem.

Was I the only one who kind of expected this? I mean, the 3 year generation cycle has been a thing since gen 4.

Ugh....I'm pretty sick of the internet spoiling absolutely everything these days. I saw this early yesterday.

haha, Pokemon S&M... they should have picked more family-friendly name nevertheless, looking forward to it!

I'm thinking this may be next gen Pokemon, I don't think they will announce it yet. They still need to do a Pokemon Z

@Lizuka Yeah, I know that. My comment was in regards to spoilers in general nowadays.

Anyways, back on topic. I wonder if we'll see some new Pokémon today? New starters?

@AlexSora89 Italy for would be nice but, X and Y had hints to Germany with the backpacker from a new region.

Not to go all NX rumour on here or anything. But kinda puts a 'X' in the column of any handheld componant being released this year if these indeed are 3ds titles. Be odd to release your best selling portable franchise on the 3ds this holiday season as well as releasing a brand new handheld console at the same time. It has always been in my mind anyway that the NX would be a home console with portable options rather then anything like a new 3ds anyway

@Antray1984 Didn't they do the same with the 3DS and gen 5? If I am remembering this correctly they released Black and White a few weeks before the 3DS (In the West)

@NIN10DOXD
Actually, Germany is the one country I don't see as "Pokémon-able". Don't get me wrong, provincialism has nothing to do with it, but Germany is mostly surrounded by other countries, with very little of it facing the sea. Same goes for Russia, central African countries, and so on.
And then there are Greece, the UK, Italy, Spain, India, Australia, even Northern Europe, Mexico, Egypt, Arabia, Canada, Alaska, South America... all of which feature a decent amount of both sea and land.
Then again, of course, Junichi Masuda might pull a Bunnelby, or a Buneary if you're so inclined, out of his top hat at any given time.
If symbolism is anything to go by, though, the dualism behind sun and moon makes the warmer European countries a more viable choice (that is, Spain, Italy and Greece).

Also, new region's name to be Agathos.
Calling it now!

@AlexSora89 You have good point.

@Jefownt03 yeah back and white 2 came out after the 3ds to maximise the audience share. Difference here is that the did not launch together it was just a compatible game on a pre gen system and second that the 3ds was back compatible. Will the NX be. Anyway as normal, no one knows its just fun speculation. Hopefully know more in half an hour.

@NIN10DOXD
In about 15 minutes we'll see if I was right or wrong.
Either that, or the Direct will just show off the logos without any gameplay whatsoever.

Pokemon, 30 years in the future.
Civilization has been grouped into just a handful of 'mega cities'.
Pokemon have spread to dominate the wild lands beyond these megatropolis'.
You are a young hopeful, eager to venture beyond the city and find these mysterious new Pokemon.
But a truly evil group has launched a campaign against Pokemon, using man made Pokemon to hunt them.
Seeking help from legendary trainers Gary Oak and Ash Ketchum, you must stop the Pokemon Hunters from extincting the beloved creatures.
'For years, people and Pokemon existed together in harmony. Now, Pokemon face their greatest threat.
Are you brave enough? Gotta save 'em all!
Pokemon Eclipse'

@TheLastLugia Interesting news relating to the leak.

Today, Nintendo announced Pokemon Sun and Pokemon Moon. The logo images included with the press release are titled “Niji_A_logo” and “Niji_B_logo,”

The leaker said the game was codenamed niji (translated to Rainbow).