The present-day Nintendo landscape isn't particularly positive, even though we may wish it otherwise, as continually modest sales levels for Wii U are joined by dropping momentum for the 3DS. So much focus is on the future in mobile and the next generation of hardware, it's easy to forget that this generation still has some exciting games to come.
In his briefing following the reporting of Nintendo's Q3 financial results, company President Tatsumi Kimishima outlined 3DS plans with a promise of "several strong titles" on the way. The focus isn't just on releasing big-name games, it seems, but also experiences that'll draw dormant 3DS gamers back and get players together. Kimishima-san explained further - in his Q & A with investors - how a mix of new games and promotions to target specific audiences can enable the 3DS to remain as a 'major pillar' of the company's business.
As I described in the presentation today, Nintendo 3DS has sold over 20 million hardware units in Japan and over 54 million units globally. This presents an excellent chance to increase revenue through software sales in the Nintendo 3DS business. We presented a number of titles today that show what kind of software can drive our business. We have not yet announced all of the Nintendo 3DS software for the next fiscal year, but we are proceeding with development, including major titles. The Nintendo 3DS will continue to be a major pillar of our business in the coming fiscal year.
...First, I will address Nintendo 3DS software sales in this fiscal year. As I acknowledged in the presentation, the titles we have released this fiscal year have not had quite the same potential as titles such as Pokémon Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire and Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS that we released last fiscal year. To expand this business in the next fiscal year, reaching young consumers and women and expanding our sales of our evergreen titles will be key.
As I said before, we have sold over 54 million units of Nintendo 3DS hardware, but it would have been possible to sell more software if all 54 million systems were in frequent use. I believe there are two approaches we can take to improve this. The first is to release software that makes people want to play, and the other is to create an environment where people around you are playing. These approaches will spur people who have not played games recently to jump into our games again, and help our software drive hardware sales. For the next fiscal year, it will be important to release titles that are different from the ones we have released this fiscal year, so we will make efforts to provide a strong lineup.
The question asked about issues that we have had. One of our endeavors this fiscal year has been to release multiple titles for young consumers and women. There was some variance in the response to these endeavors across different countries. For example, each of the European markets has different characteristics, but we were able to achieve a great response with our promotions and advertisements aimed at women in France and Spain. Going forward, we will also focus on promoting sales in regions where we did not meet expectations for this period so that Nintendo 3DS will be well-received there, too.
The Wii U had far less of a focus in Kimishima-san's talks, suggesting that it'll not have the same push as its portable brethren. With a userbase that's only recently gone past ten million, that's hardly surprising.
As for the Wii U, we have just passed 10 million units worldwide, so it is not quite on the level of the Nintendo 3DS. However, we have received a great response for titles such as Splatoon and Super Mario Maker, and we would like to continue to release titles we expect to be received positively in the next fiscal year.
Do you believe that the 3DS has the potential to remain a key part of Nintendo's business into 2017 and possibly beyond, perhaps repositioned as even more of a 'budget' choice? Let us know in the comments.
[source nintendo.co.jp]
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I'm hoping there is still some life left in the 3DS. It's my favorite handheld system of all time, and, even though I'm excited for the NX, I'm not quite ready to let it go yet.
Please let there be a couple more big titles on the way!
I've been around long enough to know when a Nintendo console is winding down. The flood of long delayed (In the west) JRPG's coming to the console shows that the development well is coming to a close as they start shifting to whatever the NX will be & I'm perfectly fine with that. There's a ton of RPG goodness coming out this year.
Dear Nintendo, I own 8 Nintendo 3ds consoles..... Sorry about that...
Broken record here, but we are still waiting for localization of Picross 3D 2 and Rhythm Heaven The Best, that could be marketed to "young consumers and women". I am neither of those and I want them, though.
I would love more 3DS action, but I can't see them continuing to support it once NX gets going. Best to buy all those big RPGs that we already know about - those will keep me playing for a while. But I think that's pretty much the last hurrah for new 3DS titles.
@ericwithcheese2
There will be few decent sized titles left in the pipeline.
Just because a successor comes out, doesn't mean the existing system quits getting software.
DS, GBA, GBC all received decent software well into the first year of their successors.
PS3, PS2 and PS1 all received decent support well into the second year of their successors with PS1 and PS2 selling an extra 20-50 million after their successors were out the door.
I feel like the lack of announcements so far this year is telling of what is to come; there's usually a Direct or some kind of reveal by now, at least. Farewell Wii U/3DS generation. Bring in the NX!!!
On Tv Tropes this would be best described as a "Suspiciously Specific Denial": much like it happened with Game Boy Advance games "going on after the DS's debut", with the former console quickly fading into obscurity as soon as the DS's sales took off, which also happened with the DS as soon as the 3DS debuted, etcetera... I don't even think this qualifies as news, really, it happens with every console ever, it's rather routine in the gaming industry. It begins with "the older console is still important to us" and it ends with, say, the Xbox 360 version of Call Of Duty: Black Ops III (this example comes to mind due to a friend of mine) being outsourced and rushed due to it being a mere afterthought.
However, there's ONE thing interesting about Nintendo safeguarding themselves in advance: while "the 3DS is still important to us" might be a way to assure 3DS owners they won't starve due to the Wii U-centric focus and the game drought it caused, this might also point to the NX's status as a portable console.
Either way, fingers crossed!
@Zach777
Well to be fair they spilled their load in the November Direct for both systems through May.
With My Nintendo Rewards and the New account system launching next month, they have their hands full.
They will probably announce something at GDC and get punished by the GDC people for making a huge announcement at GDC.
Besides, a lesser focus on the WiiU would make more sense if said console got a price cut. Part of the Wii U's problems is due to its pricing, which makes less sense now than it did back in 2013 or 2014.
Hopefully, the system will go out with a bang, but the sole presence of the WiiU Zelda game already represents a best-case scenario.
Yeah, right. Once NX comes out, I think Wii U and 3DS are effectively dead with regard to first party releases, putting aside titles already in development for those systems. I think 3DS will probably still get some decent support from Atlus and other Japanese third parties well after the release of NX (maybe even another Pokemon game!), but Wii U...
Me personally if I was boss of Nintendo would not be bothered by my own sales but looking at how competitor's have creeped up over the last generation and how Sony seems to be making steady progression into Nintendo 's hand held market, Nintendo of course are going mobile with deNa but you got to look at what stronghold Nintendo had and the fact that Sony are getting in there, we know Nintendo are good at innovating but there is only so much you can create, it looks like Nintendo maybe on a linking connectivity media trip if you ask me..let's wait and see cause I don't see anybody putting the wii u game pad on the floor fir a round of golf..ea maybe would have been an idea but alas we left with zelda hd
Where have I heard those promises before?
Oh yeah, when GBA was replaced by DS. GBA just went away immediately even though Gameboy was promised to be one of the pillars for the future.
Pokemon Z confirmed.
2 @Yorumi
I fail to see where it mentions anything "casual" related.
Granted it's no big secret that Nintendo and it's games do not appeal to "hardcore" gamers.
@wayneyrob2
Sony is done in the handheld market, SCEA refused to support Vita from the beginning.
Sony's own internal studios refused to take up handheld development except for like 3 games, because they didn't want to bother with handhelds.
Vita is dead primarily due to costs and due to Sony's fanbase hating handheld gaming.
You know when they say this what it actually means is that the console has 6-9 months left before all you're gonna get is shovel ware and the occasional licenced Disney title.
@Kolzig
That's not true.
GBA was still receiving 1st party releases (albeit smaller ones) and 3rd party support into 2007.
GBA also was still selling 100k+ each month in the U.S. until late 2007 when Nintendo ended production.
It literally outsold PS3 until Christmas of 2007 in NA.
I live in NYC and carry my 3DS to and from work everyday on the subway which includes a transfer at the busy 14th St Union Square stop. Last year I was getting frequent street passes everyday.
Now a days I usually only get 1 spot pass if that. Many days I don't get any.
The system was a relative success when not comparing it to the DS, but please stop trying to jump start a dated system. Resources spent on making more 3DS games are only taking resources and talented studios away from making quality games on the NX. It's time to move on.
"perhaps repositioned as even more of a 'budget' choice?"
3DS XL launched 3 years ago at $199. And it's been $199 ever since.
3DS launchd at $249, a few months later dropped to $169, then it went away in the US except for a couple of bundles.
2DS launched at $129 and a year later was $99.
Plenty of room to sell 3DS as budget systems, just have to give them price cuts.
Pokemon XZ and YZ in November should sell a few more, maybe even more than a few if coupled w/ a price cut. Even if NX releases first no reason to think Z skips 3DS for NX.
I'm skeptical of the 3DS getting too many more new games. If I'm wrong, then it'll be a pleasant surprise.
@Xenocity
I guess that's a fair enough assumption. They do however have three branches of employees (US, Japan, Europe) with multiple departments so I don't see why there can't be better tidbits of info coming regarding what is past May. Everything falls in e3, I suppose...
Another reason why the 3DS outlasts the Vita: Sony loves to push its own proprietary memory cards you can't reuse in other machines, while the 3DS still uses generic SD technology.
Nintendo has a habit of keeping its systems alive with support, and typically if they are not supporting it first-party, the independent and smaller third-parties step in to fill the void. The Unity support added to New 3DS will pay off for these latter two, but trying to get larger third-parties back into the Nintendo fold will be hard.
Remember, these are businesses--they just like to hang out where they can make the most profit. Independents are willing to take the plunge, but I sadly do not see the big companies even dipping their toes into 3DS anymore. Let's just hope NX can draw some support in.
I feel sad my 3ds doesn't have that much headed for it (unless I want another RPG). Having said that, I was disappointed to see that when my son played Mario Paper Jam over Christmas the game kept telling him how much greater it would be if he owned amiibos. Those sorts of games I can do without.
Didn't they say the same thing about the GBA just before the DS launched?
@Vee_Flames Where in God's name is Z anyway? The lineup leaves much to be desired right now and they've been teasing it for months, why is the game not announced yet?
Well he is hardly gonna pull a 'Sega Saturn' and say the WiiU and 3ds won't be supported much longer is he? That's marketing 101 talk.
@Zach777
NCL controls all the information and only sends stuff over when they are ready.
It's no different than Apple not telling it's other offices of what they are planning until they are ready to talk.
I assume the "big unannounced games" are Pokemon Z and maybe another Kirby game. Or Zelda Four Swords Adventures Anniversary Edition.
This is code for "it'll be about a year".
Then, of course, the next thing comes.
@Yorumi
Younger consumers aren't "casual" they are mostly in the kiddy segment.
Yes Women are considered casual, because they tend not to buy AAA Blockbuster titles, M-rated games, and realistic games (the "hardcore" genres)
Women also take to the media when their games are broken and lack marketed features.
They also return these broken and lacking games to get their money back and never buy from that company again.
A "hardcore" gamer doesn't complain about a broken game, they don't handheld game and they don't play Nintendo according to NPD and EEDAR data.
"hardcore" gamer also keep buying broken and lacking games never asking for refund.
If you took action over a broken and lacking game and/or requested a refund then you are defined as "Casual" by the industry.
FYI: HARDCORE GAMERS do not own and play on handhelds according to decades of NPD and EEDAR data.
Handhelds are considered "casual" and kiddy systems in the West.
Which is why the West doesn't take them seriously with development.
Getting my Pokemon Red & Blue New 3DS at the end of the month, so safe to say I still fully support this handheld. Hope there are some more great releases on the horizon.
A severe price drop might have lured me in, but I'm now just awaiting NX news as if it is a hybrid know full well I'll dive straight in and expect some kind of 3DS virtual console library. As a Wii U fan, I still avidly play Splatoon, still buy games and still have a massive backlog all to keep me sustained.
I dont believe it to be honest. They always say these things at the end of a console's life. At the end of SNES, when everyone was looking forward to N64, they had Mario RPG and Tetris Attack - not that those are bad games - they're fantastic, but i mean theyre just swansongs of a dying console. Same with N64 - COnker's bad Fur Day, Paper Mario and Mario Party 3 - we all knew Gamecube was coming and N64 was dead in 2001 aside from those 3. And GCN and Wii had the same thing. GCN had Twilight Princess, a co-release with Wii, and Chibi Robo. Really nothing else of note. And Wii had what, Xenoblade in 2012? So I don't believe it when Nintendo says their old consoles ill continue to be supported and will still be pillars of the company. Wii U and 3DS will not co-exist with NX. They will be replaced. I'm okay with that but I wish they would be more upfront about it.
I can't wait for NX. Exciting times!
Tatsumi Kimishima's outline for the 3ds was not very promising for the male gamer.
........and what sort of games is he thinking about for woman? Cooking, washing, ironing and playing with pet type games.
I'm sure some western woman won't be happy with his comments.
@Yorumi
I'm not raging against AAA Games or M-rated games.
I have no issues with them.
The point they are the literal definition of "hardcore" games, which one must play exclusively to be "hardcore" gamers.
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NPD data shows that "hardcore" gamers do not play and own Nintendo systems and games. They also have no interested in handhelds systems. This was from their May 2014 survey on "hardcore" gamers.
Everything not listed in the platforms category was labeled "casual".
They same survey said to be "hardcore"/core you had to play these genres
Genres not listed are considered "casual" too.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2015-08-10-core-console-software-sales-are-higher-than-ever-eedar
Last August, EEDAR's data showed that only action and shooters are the only genres that are full "hardcore"/core on their graph.
With everything else being "casual" to some degree.
So are you doing to disagree with the official industry data and classifications?
As for GBA Wikipedia says Nintendo developed and published games were still being released in late 2006 on GBA in the U.S.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Game_Boy_Advance_games
The last game Nintendo published in the West for GBA was FFVI in 2007
Though they released over 10 developed games through out 2006, depending on where in the world you live.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_products_published_by_Nintendo#Game_Boy_Advance
@wayneyrob22 Are you kidding?!
The vita has sold much, much less than the psp, and about 1/5-1/4 off the total sales of the 3DS.
I own several 3DS and a ever-gathering dust vita.
@Bolt_Strike "Z"
Not that I know anything, but it seems like they usually announce their big holiday games later, March, or June, so I wouldn't expect "Z" news just yet, though if it came out later today I wouldn't be surprised either.
Also, Pokemon Go is due out soon, and while it may be free there's that pricey little add-on they need to sell.
Also, Pokken Tournament is due out in about 5 weeks. I know that's Bandai Namco and not Gamefreak, but no point in them stealing PTs thunder w/ the big Z unveil.
So my best guess, late March / early April. At least that's what I tell my 2 kids every day after school, they're big Pokemon fans. They know when the tv series resumes - I think next Saturday - and the next series of cards is due soon as well, but they really want to know when Z is coming.
@rjejr
Actually it has been confirmed that Pokemon Go is free to play.
Though there are confirmed IAPs, but we don't know what they are.
You don't need the clip on to enjoy the game, it's just for those who are crazy into the game.
@Xenocity
Can vouch for The Flash, which was released on 2006 and was (is) one of may favorite games on the GBA. Still, Yorumi is half-right: there was a lot of trash released on the 2006 and no Nintendo release that I'm aware of.
Thanks for the info on what makes a "hard-core"gamer.
@maceng 2006 was trash for GBA outside of Japan. In Japan though, there was this very special GBA game that would make western fans jealous for 10 years (Mother 3).
Intresting...
@Grumblevolcano
Thanks for the info.
@Yorumi
This was developed by GameFreak and Nintendo.
Released in February 2006 in North America.
I don't think ever was released in the EU.
It wasn't Nintendo only GBA offerings in NA in 2006.
Japan received much hailed Bit Generations, Mother 3 and few others.
Square released a bunch of RPGs in 2006 in NA
Sega released a Sonic 1 GBA in NA and few other games.
Take Two and EA released few installments of major sports games in 2006 on GBA in NA.
GBA was dead in the EU in late 2005.
The data I posted is what Sony and Microsoft design their consoles around.
It is the same data the Valve uses for Steam.
The major 3rd parties use that data to determine what to make and where to release their games.
That's why Wii, DS, Wii U and 3DS received practically licensed games, shovelware and kid friendly IPs from major 3rd parties.
The NPD and UK charts and Eurotracker show those genres listed are what's selling on PS4 and Xbox One.
Literally everything else is bombing on PS4 and Xbox One
They also show the people who are buying PS4 and Xbox literally only play the genres listed in the data as "hardcore" and are predominately male 15-35 years old.
You and me (and others) don't agree with what the data is defining but the industry does.
The industry has been going that way since PS2 launched, with the switch over being complete by 2012.
Literally in the industry is splitting down the middle, with that group that became the "hardcore" and "casuals" (everyone else)
@rjejr Normally yes, but the promotional period for this next game is unusual. They've revealed new forms for Zygarde 7 months ago without an announcement, where they rarely reveal mascots more than 3 months in advance of a new game. So I have a feeling the game is going to release earlier than usual. Maybe around the summer.
@Yorumi
Yeah and they co-developed the game with help from Nintendo.
@Yorumi
I said was this "GBA was still receiving 1st party releases (albeit smaller ones) and 3rd party support into 2007. "
I stated it was smaller releases and 3rd parties and it trigged a massively negative response from you.
My statement is still correct.
I certainly do hope that there is life left in the 3DS family, it has been my favorite gaming device after the GameBoy Colour.
I haven't forgotten about all the awesome games coming to wiiu and 3ds but the media has! NX NX NX.................all this talk about something we know nothing about
@Yorumi
It has official release date of products in North America, which Nintendo expended resources on to release.
It counts in the same way that Sony says they supported PS3 with first support in 2015 and they plan to support PS3 this year with first party titles.
Do you want to argue against Sony who openly stated they plan to support PS3 with first party stuff this year and next?
Do you do sound like an bitter hateful "casual".
I really hope his comment about "drawing in women" was just nonsense business buzz talk. As a women who plays games and has lots of female friends who also do, I don't even know what this would mean. Like, I play sports games, transit sims, and JRPGS. My friends play everything from indie platformers to AAA mature titles.
The fact that women play games in smaller numbers has less to do with Nintendo or other companies "not doing enough" and more to do with how socially unacceptable it is for a woman to pick up, say, the latest PES or Assassin's Creed. For some, it's not worth the effort. But I think that's changing slowly, and will do more for sales than whatever Kimishima had in mind.
All of that said, I'm totally here for the NX and I sure hope one of those mysterious 3DS games is Etrian V.
"As I acknowledged in the presentation, the titles we have released this fiscal year have not had quite the same potential as titles such as Pokémon Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire and Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS that we released last fiscal year. To expand this business in the next fiscal year, reaching young consumers and women and expanding our sales of our evergreen titles will be key."
This sounds horrible. At least they know they've released crap games for the 3DS lately. The last game I purchased was Link Between Worlds.
If they can convert the OS and eShop to something similar to whatever the NX devices will use and reposition it as a budget entry into the new NX platform (while dropping the price of the New XL to around $100-120 and every other model to below $100), they can probably eke out a few more years out of it.
Of course, actual game development support for it is dropping off and despite sales numbers, the 3DS just doesn't have enough oomph to it to have as long of a potential lifespan as the Vita (PSP's last major game was Toukiden Kiwami in 2014...FREAKING 2014; considering Vita's playerbase is similar and considering how nicely Vita's release list has been growing over time, I can see it being supported until the twilight of the NX handheld's life).
3DS can continue living as an indie machine with the occasional Nintendo 1st party eShop game. Maybe a late localization or two like with the Wii.
I would love for the 3ds line to last a little bit longer. It's been my favorite handheld to date!
@World
Perhaps he means that in regards to Japan's playerbase?
@thehoppypoppy Pick up a Game Boy Pocket and 10 AAA titles on ebay and get back to me
GB is still the best hand held, followed by GBA...
@AVahne Oooh, good point! I hadn't thought of that. I think you're right!
I think it's time for Nintendo to replace 3DS. Don't get me wrong, I really have enjoyed many 3DS games (and I'm still looking forward to some future releases for the system), but the system is already pretty old. If NX is going to be a portable system, I don't see any problem though.
If Nintendo would release a new handheld in 2017, it would be perfect.
It should be, the 3ds is the best present-day mobile system exclusive to gaming. But what I really want to see, is a mobile F-zero game.
@World
The industry has spent billions on market research and data collection to figure out what the different types of gamers play.
The majority of women have shown to have different buying habits than the "hardcore" gamers, which makes it quite hard for the most developers to sell games to them.
NPD and EEDAR actively track what customers buy and what their age, gender, religion, and income are to best help the industry make games.
Even Valve has data on what women and men buy on Steam.
The difference is astounding with very little overlap.
Even when you review a game on the eShop, Nintendo asks you if the game is better suited for males or females.
They also ask other questions to better gauge who is buying the game and enjoying them.
You can see the statics on the eShop.
@cfgk24 I own 3 and still play almost every day.
Nintendo should beware as the launch of the 3ds told them, I know the 3ds is in front as far as sales are but the wii u as a home console does not have a selling point good as it is, Nintendo need to think about other people sometimes, we know Nintendo are good but they need to say that ea know how to make football for instance. .
@NintyMan Well, we don't even know if the NX even has a portable element (or a TV console element even, we know nothing at all...), maybe the plan is for 3DS to last another few years...
Since we are talking about women.
On December 16th, 2015 Pew Research released their huge research on on who plays gamer games and who identifies with the label gamer.
Sadly this site owners didn't think it was worth posting.
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/12/survey-gamers-are-poorer-more-male-less-white-than-game-players/
Nintendo is the only hardware maker who doesn't take data like this to heart when making console.
Haha, this is EXACTLY the same style of phrasing they were using about the Game Boy when they were bringing out the DS as a "third pillar".
Exciting, though.
This is either a bluff to encourage continued 3DS sales in light of the NX being released or the NX is unlike rumors suggest just a home console and Nintendo has no plans to release a new portable any time soon.
I love my 3DS (even though I consider the Vita better). It has great games for me like the Layton, Ace Attorney, Tales of Abyss, Resident Evil, former favourite Game Gear and Game Boy games but to tell the truth 3DS seemed underpowered and dated back in the release date. The OS is super slow, everything takes forever to load, 3D is unpractical and useless. I got a New 3DS and most of those problems were somewhat addressed (although the OS is still somewhat slow). The JRPG games that will come are still welcome to me but it is time to move on. I would want a new pure and maybe BC handheld with no gimmicks, like a two screen handheld more powerful than the Vita.
And it is obvious that nobody believes Nintendo. After they release what they develop now they will abandon the 3DS (and maybe the Wii U too) leaving indies and jrpg companies to publish games for it. Not that it bothers me much since I enjoy these types of games more than some first party games but that is irrelevant.
Since the GBA was mentioned it was a great handheld. I spend many hours in the likes of the various Final Fantasy, Phantasy Star, Sonic, Golden Sun and Castlevania games. Actually I was thinking to track a newer SP model that had a limited release in EU that has a backlit screen and relive some games I have since the first Game Boy (why GB 3DS VC was abandoned is still a mystery to me)
I can't bring myself to buy more 3ds/wii u games until I know more about this "NX". I've double dipped (and in some mario iterations, many more than that!) for plenty of games over the years, but I can't willingly bring myself to waste money knowing that the next Gen hardware will more than likely re-release the good ones.
@belmont
The 3DS OS is heavily tied to the size and speed of the memory card.
Use a decent size class 10/ultra class memory card and the OS will be surprisingly snappy on both o3DS and n3DS.
I used one on my old 3DS and I have one in my n3DS, both are very snappy and near instant.
@Xenocity
So are we to allow analysts to tell US whether we are hardcore gamers or not? Some 3rd party with arbitrary standards? No.
I don't care what system you own or what games you play. A hardcore gamer is someone who games hardcore. What games they are or what platform they are on is irrelevant. That's like Naxi Germany saying you're only human if you're of this specific race. It's ignorant and preposterous.
@Yorumi I think it's good that he mentioned it, and we have no way of knowing what he means. I was probably a little presumptuous, but it'd be cool if the strategy involved more looking at why women don't play games (or at least why they don't admit to it) and less "release another pink console!"
That said, if said pink console came out in NA and had Style Savvy 3, I think he'd still make a lot of people happy.
@JaxonH
Go ahead.
But I should warn you they do the same research in Canada, UK, EU, and Australia.
Those markets mirror the U.S. data generally.
I mean even the list of the best selling games in 2015 in France mirrors the U.S. data.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1181796
Sony literally researched Western markets and consumers to hell and back before designing and releasing the PS4.
The reason why the PS4 is selling so well in the West, is the fact that Sony took all the data and treated as gospel.
Sony openly has said they designed the PS4 using all that market research data to design a console the "hardcore" segment would want to buy.
The "hardcore"/core/real gamer listed in all the market research data spends more money on gaming than remaining 5 segments of gamers individually.
Only when "casuals" and other 4 kinds of gamers are combined together, do they outspend the "hardcore" gamer.
EA, Activision, Ubisoft, Disney, WBi, Epic, Microsoft, Sony and other Western developers use all this data in determining what to fund, develop, release, and what platforms to release it on.
Their marketing plans are also based on it too.
This is why Western gaming for the most part has become stale and sterile
Hollywood uses market research data to determine what movies to make and how to market them.
They have similar consumer segmentations.
This is why movies are the way they are now
The TV show industry follows similar to Hollywood.
This is why I hate the TV Shows Industry
In short if the product doesn't fit the what the data says, then it is retooled or canceled under the assumption that it won't sell.
Market Research exists to take the risk out of business
Even the Auto industry uses market research do determine what cars they should make and what features to put in them.
Market Research isn't always right and companies can do well without it, it just riskier.
Apple and Nintendo don't like to use market research when making products.
This is why they both have a bigger amount failed products than most companies.
As long as they make good quality games for wii u, and 3ds they will have my support!
@Yorumi That's awful that you have to deal with that, and you really nailed what I think is the core issue. Social pressure does a lot to edge people, regardless of gender, out of certain markets. Dudes buy less pink hardware, but it's not ALWAYS because dudes don't like it. Women buy less software but, again, that's probably not JUST because they're less interested in gaming.
I hope that Nintendo's new strategy can somehow target both sides of this. That's just dreaming, but they did say they wanted to make gaming more social and interactive so here's hoping!
@Yorumi Yes I have seen it but I have a high capacity SP battery. I wanted to order the kit and try to do the mod myself though.
@Xenocity That is what I thought. So, since I was planning on getting a bigger card anyway, I invested on a better/faster card and I saw no difference. I have a lot of games installed but my Sony handhelds have about the same or more and don't have this problem.
@Yorumi @Xenocity
The problem with looking at self-identifying gamers in surveys is that in some gaming circles that include multiplayer social elements there comes a deluge of undesired attention towards females that identify as gamers (skepticism, personally targeted lewdness, exclusion, etc.) that male gamers don't receive. As a developer it's more useful to include as many female viewpoints and sensibilities that male developers may not have considered rather than target some stereotypes like: girls like match 3 and pink cute stuff but don't like competition or anything difficult.
Nintendo has targeted casuals in the past, but Shigeru has nothing nice to say about that type of gamer, now. Instead, Nintendo is presumably going to target people who care about spending serious time with a game whether they self-identify as gamers, core gamers, or whatever.
Now, there are some things we may perceive as casual which are actually I think geared more towards social. For instance Animal Crossing Happy Home Designer. That is successful because of a collector mentality maybe but also a strong social aspect in which designs are shared. That's an interesting and controversial space when it comes to defining someone who devotes significant time and energy to that type of game when distinct in-game challenges aren't apparent. However, external challenges naturally revolve around it. Is it less of a game because you are trying to impress external judges of your work? Anyway, that's a space where there could be debate.
@belmont
Sony used proprietary memory cards for reason
I literally have had no issues with digital downloads and large files when using an ultra class SD card and Micro SD.
There could be something wrong with your system or your memory card.
@Yorumi
Pink is for girls and blue is for boys is such a manufactured thing. It didn't even start that long ago. We are talking 1940s. I always expect it to trend away, but society has bought into it in large part due to marketing and rapid globalization I guess. It will probably stick, but every once in awhile pink pops up (or at least salmon! ) as a trendy men's fashion statement. Maybe you'll see it broken down in your life time. I've seen it fade a bit with baby stuff just because if you don't know what you're getting, people go yellow.
@aaronsullivan
I actually played Happy Home Designer and briefly owned it.
It is a well made game and is well liked because it centers around personal choice and customization.
It also does well even NeoGaf because, you can take part in competitions hosted by Nintendo on Miiverse.
You can also share designs with people too.
I grew bored with it fast, due to nature of the game and how annoying the animals are in that game.
I play a wide variety of games except for shooters. most violent games, and most cinematic games.
I love playing Nintendogs and virtual pets for some reason.... (I should finally boot back in after almost a year).
Actually gaming sites and stores is the best place.
I mean even the mainstream media debates and reports on it, including the BBC World, Forbes, Fortune, CNN, Fox News, Local news, NY Times, USA Today, Detroit Free Press etc...
There is no place for this in the real world outside of gaming stores and events.
Every part of human society has a group with it's own definition, rules, and culture that you must follow.
Go against it, you get punished by that group and/or expelled.
That's why a lot of people pay dear price for being different.
@World Based on my life experience, I'd totally agree with the smaller amount of women in gaming being related to social stigmas. I knew a girl in high school who looked like an every day girly girl, but I she also played Western RPGs like Elder Scrolls and Fable, and didn't tell most people because she would have definitely been judged. My sister is sometimes tomboyish, but she fangirls over anime and video games too, she just doesnt like to show it.
But that's not really anything new is it? Being outside of what we believe to be societal norms has always either caused people to be ridiculed, or avoid that behavior out of fear for being judged.
@Xenocity
Research presented through the lens of their own arbitrary standards and prejudice isn't worth the paper it's printed on. Oh sure, the core data and numbers are accurate, but by no means is their interpretation to be taken as gospel, or anything other than their own slanted opinion.
@AlexSora89 the wiiu is the Centro. Focus? Love I think that's the other way around ._. Wii was always being outshined... Instead of trying to bring value in wiiu they just ran away to the 3ds... Wiiu is the redhead stepchild.
Kimishima or what evers words translated "we love our 3ds!! Oh .. and the wiiu... Feel bad for those that bought that system.. anywho yeah everyone expect more high titles like splatoon and Mario on the 3ds!!"
@Lady_rosalina
"Feel bad for those that bought that system"
Don't. Save your pity for those that actually regret buying it, and them alone.
@JaxonH
It is to the billions Western Developers make in profits and the speed of which PS4 is flying of the shelves.
Or you can measure it in the lack of hardware sales of Xbox One and Wii U.
Literally Western developers have committees focused on the data and to make sure their products fall in line with the data.
It's one of the reasons why Western developers spend as much as they do.
But in the end profits are far more important to a publicly traded company and their shareholders than creativity
@Xenocity
And...?
That means nothing. You're trying to argue that the only hardcore gamers are those that "market research dictates". It's ridiculous. And I doubt anyone could believe such a thing, even yourself.
I don't care if PS4 is flying off the shelves. That's cause it's a great system with great games. And furthermore, games with mass market appeal.
That doesn't qualify those gamers as hardcore, and certainly not exclusively.
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@Xenocity
Hooray for Hispanics!!
I hope that the 3DS is supported further into 2016 and 2017. It has about 60 million units sold, so anything that remotely sells well, sell hundreds of thousands.
I'm on the verge of buying Smile BASIC and get working on a FPS that rivals Moon and Dementium (bear with me) but time constraints have kept me from doing so.
@JaxonH
That's not what Xenocity said.
Some company labeled the "hardcore gamers" those that play FPS, action multiplayers and Sony made its PS4 in order to appeal to this segment of the gaming community. Specially since this segment expends way more than any other group or faction.
The main issue here is game publishers simply rely on this (flawed) data to cater to most- spending gamers and it has paid off. My only gripe? 3DS owners are a large bunch and are eager to expend 15-20 bucks for quality indies and 30-40 dollars for AAA releases.
@maceng
It's what he's been saying from the first comment, if you go back and read them you will see for yourself.
It's been the subject of debate this entire time.
***And if that is NOT what was being said, then he replied with a completely irrelevant comment to the conversation.
I remember when Nintendo said this about the Gameboy Advance when the DS was first released...
Yes, like when they said the Gamecube and Wii would continue getting support and they completely bailed out.
From some random user from a random thread in 2004:
"Yeah, the DS is a "third pillar". No doubt they will see how successful it is and then make a decision. The installed user base for the GBA is rather large, and I don't think Nintendo are foolish enough to ignore these people. We won't see any drop off until long after the PAL DS launch." -random thread post 2004
@JaxonH
You realize that segment called "hardcore" by Western industry, is exactly who the PS4 is almost exclusively appealing to from launch.
I mean Sony said the PS4 is "primarily selling to shooter fans".
The userbase of PS4 according to Sony's own data, is a very narrow base that is almost entirely the Western Industry's "hardcore" demographic.
Literally every game selling well on PS4 fits the Western industry's "hardcore" demographic.
Practically everything else is bombing PS4, except for Minecraft.
Everything else is selling really low numbers.
Same goes for Xbox One.
Essentially if your game doesn't fit the Western industry's "hardcore demographic, you will do poorly in sales.
This is harming Asian developers, Indies, and Western games that don't fit the Western "hardcore" demographics.
Wii U and 3DS those Western industry "hardcore" games do as bad as non Western industry "hardcore" games do on PS4 and Xbox One.
Though Wii U and 3DS are much better platforms for other games and E-rated games.
The same thing happened on Wii/DS and PS3/Xbox 360.
We have the sales charts from Europe, UK, U.S., Canada and Australia.
We can see what is selling and what isn't on each system.
Sales charts don't lie.
To simply put it: Nintendo systems only sell Nintendo and Nintendo like games, PS4 and Xbox One sell only "hardcore" games in the West.
@Xenocity
You just don't get it. They're only referring to the hardcore gamers of THEIR potential customer base. Not every hardcore gamer on the planet.
So of course it's onlh those who buy those systems. That's where those publishers are releasing their games, their "mass market appeal" games. So that is the ones THEY consider hardcore gamers out of THEIR customer base on those select platforms where they release THEIR mass-market appeal games.
There is a whole other world out there. Outside the real of mass market appeal. And plenty who qualify as hardcore gamers among them, I assure you.
@getyourak That logic is a bit fuzzy. Just because you don't get as many street passes as you once did doesn't mean that other people don't have the system.
@JaxonH
Actually that is taken from the whole of the Western markets.
It's been explained by NPD, Pacther, EEDAR, Nielsens, etc...
It's based on the whole market, fans are swept up in the numbers and are put in the proper categories.
They literally survey thousands upon thousands of consumers online on their platforms they play and the games they play.
They literally survey all the major retailers in each market to get the data on the consumers who buy the platforms and games, then putting them in the categories.
They use Xbox One, Xbox 360, PS4, PS3, Steam, PC, Mac, Mac App Store to determine what gamers are.
They do not use Nintendo systems in the data collection nor do they use handheld systems.
Again it is the segmentation and defining of the whole of each the Western Market.
There is believed to be ~60 Million people who fit the industry's definition of what a "hardcore" gamer is in the Western Markets.
This out of over 300 Million plus people who buy games and systems.
AGAIN IT IS THE WHOLE WESTERN MARKET, NOT PLATFORM SPECIFIC.
That is why Sony keeps stating they are taking the "hardcore" gamers way from Microsoft and Nintendo.
You can label yourself whatever you want, but when the Western industry says "hardcore", you aren't included in that.
They literally have been spending 20 years to accurately define and segment the Western markets into the proper categories, to give the Western developers the necessary information to better cater to the industry.
When a label or word is set like this "hardcore", states there is no settled dictionary definition(s).
To repeat the Western industry has it's definition of "hardcore" gamer which based on market research, this is what "hardcore" gamers are in the Western markets to the industry.
Same goes for "casual" and the rest.
Again you can call yourself whatever you want, but to Sony, Microsoft and Western industry you aren't a "hardcore" gamer to them!!!!!
@Xenocity
Listen to me.
Sony doesn't determine who's a hardcore gamer.
EA, Ubisoft and Activision don't determine who's a hardcore gamer.
Market analysts don't determine who's a hardcore gamer.
They can call a raisin a camel, doesn't make it true.
Anyone... ANYONE, who games hardcore is a hardcore gamer. End of discussion.
Didn't they say this right before the DS came out? Then it replaced the GBA anyway...
@Lady_rosalina
Love? Were you just flirting with me? <3
Anyway, it's too early to say anything whatsoever; after all, Nintendo has always been a pro when it came to keep development under wraps until either E3s or Directs, and if the latter streams don't show up before, say, mid-March, it's likely there won't be any afterwards due to E3 being behind the corner by then. So yeah, I don't doubt we'll get some curve balls such as the rumored Paper Mario game on the WiiU before the end of the year. Who knows?
I expect Pokémon Z to be the most notable of the 3DS's "unannounced" titles. Localizations will also likely be announced. Games like Rhythm Heaven: The Best + have yet to leave Japan, while the new Style Savvy game has yet to reach North American shores.
@Nin10doh Of course people still have the system. What I was trying to say is that I feel people don't use or are as active with their systems as they were a year ago.
Kimishima was talking about revitalizing the user base with new games. Instead of doing that, I was saying I would prefer and think it a better idea they spend those resources towards their new system.
I doubt they have much cooking anyways. Several typically means 3 (FE Fates, Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow, Bravely Second, DQ 7 & 8, new Monster Hunter). They're going to continue to push the 3DS and WiiU until they formally show the NX. That's just good business. This is just business talk. Several more titles could mean more Happy Home Designer like titles..
Considering that all the big box stores in my area gave up and clearanced out 75% of all 3ds related items, I'd say this article is a bunch of baloney. We have waited and waited and waited for good games to come out and basically all we got was a ridiculous stream of countless RPGs, leaving casual gamers in the dust. So if they think that releasing all these good games now will save the 3ds, I can't wait to see how all the stores will sell them now that they have allocated that space to competing systems & software.
Also yeah, appealing to female gamers shouldn't just mean more pink. It'd be better for them to do things like allowing you to choose between Link and Linkle in future Zelda games, or making Peach more than a bland ditz who gets kidnapped every other game.
@Yorumi I'm sure it differs in every area, but things that have been perceived as being part of geek culture decades ago are slowly but surely entering the pop culture realm. Super heroes, as another example, have way more widespread popularity now among people who've never picked up a comic book in their life now. But it does seem that there is still a stigma about girls or women that are legitimately interested in geek culture stuff as being socially unacceptable to a degree, whereas not many would judge a guy for playing video games.
@JaxonH
Again is not what he is saying. Some company decided that a hard core gamer likes to play a certain type of game: FPS, action multiplayer, etc.
Second, Sony decided to cater to those gamers and it has paid off. Period.
I consider myself a hard core gamer because I love playing some hard core games on my PC, but I don't fit in Sony's definition of hard core gamer as I didn't purchase a PS4, I don't spend huge amount of money on games (my wife says otherwise) and besides playing FSP's titles once in a while (Left 4 Dead 2, Dead Space 3. Shadow Warrior, TitanFall, Wolfstein -all acquired for less than 40 bucks, total-), I love playing Mario Kart, and many titles on my 3DS.
If it makes you feel OK, just change the hard core label for FPS-freak, action-junkie-with deep pockets, or whatever rocks your boat.
@maceng
Nobody cares how some company defines a term. That's my point. It's irrelevant.
@getyourak Yea I definitely agree with you there. But at the same time that's not usually their style, at least with handhelds. They usually still get great support well past their prime. While I would be a bit troubled if they completely abandoned the 3DS, especially after releasing the their latest version of it, I'd understand. Like you said its just good business.
I like the idea of bridging the two together, in some way that creates a gateway for people who still want to cling to their 3DS to get the last bits of life out of their systems before coming to the NX. Whether nintendo will use backwards comparability to as a means to do that to get people heading in that direction, only time will tell.
His words aren't fooling anyone their number one priority is NX, everything is second fiddle. We all know he's just saying that not to lose the already established customer base the 3DS has, and very likely undermining future sales for anything nintendo...except amiibo, those things are like crack.
@Yorumi @greengecko007 Yeah, I think the distinction isn't so much that it's acceptable for anyone to play video games, more the type of insults people will experience. Guys will get called a nerd or weird or worse, but no one (for the most part) is going to question whether or not they're a gamer in the first place.
Insults hurt, and that is definitely equally terrible. But the tendency to question if you're for real is the kind of thing that messes with a person to the point where it's often easier to just quit the hobby altogether. Constantly having to prove you belong at the party ultimately just makes you want to find other parties.
@ericwithcheese2 Same here. It's a great system and, IMO, is only bested by the GBA.
@World Indeed, and that is very unfortunate. I have heard of girls in situations in which guys would assume they're only into geeky or nerdy things for attention unless they were deemed unattractive. I do think it's getting better though. Gender neutrality is taking off more for things like toys, and I would guess it's inevitable for that to migrate more to other hobbies and forms of entertainment too.
It's a shame developers have pretty much stopped making games for the 3ds. I simply love it, it may be my favorite handheld ever next to the Game Boy O.G
@xenocity be like:
@AlexSora89
Hopefully ._.
There are so many older games that I'm still playing or replay often. And so many more games I still need to get. I'm definitely not bored with it and don't see that happening anytime soon. I guess if you only like specific franchises or types of games it might be slim pickings, but for me, I have a long backlog of games. I still get a lot of street passes when I'm out and about. I prefer the 3ds over the WiiU, a lot of nintendo games seem better portable. I'm still playing wiiu routinely but not as frequently as the ds, mostly splatoon and group games when friends come over. I hope the 3ds has a couple years left because I'm certainly not done with it. But if they quit releasing new games at least I know I've got a lot of old ones to start.
@Xenocity Literally everything else is bombing on PS4 and Xbox One?
Rare replay sold well, just dance sold well, lego games still sell well, minefraft still sell, disney infinity sold millions, skylander sold millions, tell tale games sold well, so on and so forth
There are lots of games that are not action, sports, rpg that sells well in PS4 and XBox One.
@Lady_rosalina
Trust me, we're getting at least SOMETHING this year.
@ericwithcheese2 Don't give up yet. We still have to get Rhythm Heaven, Metroid and maybe other games that we expect from Nintendo.
In anycase, this is good news because we still get more support for the system.
I can't wait to try out their upcoming games. I'm already Hyped about Fates!
First off, good job on the new mobile site, and finally having a newsletter! I've been refreshing the home page every now and then up until this point, good to know I won't have to anymore.
Second, if Nintendo plans on supporting the 3DS family for a few more years, I'd appreciate a firmware update to allow the use of a 64GB SD/microSD card or higher. I shouldn't have to decide which games to kick out to be able to download more. Also, the system isn't perfectly stable yet. Nintendo needs to look into ways to increase the stability to its maximum potential.
I hope its true and they will continue to support the 3DS system, but I take action over words.
Heard all this before from Nintendo. Every other system gets dropped when the new one comes out I don't expect 3DS and Wii U to be any different especially with very little third-party aupport.
@Xenocity
When did Sony say they were supporting PS3 with first-party games in 2015 and 2016?
So if 3DS is doing so well, why is it rumoured that the NX portable is launching this year? Surely they need a WiiU console replacement out this year?
Nintendo is just saying what people want to hear, acts speak louder than words.
@electrolite77 Right. Actually, Wii was dead before the Wii U launched.
They don't need to have a huge line-up of games in order to keep the 3DS ticking over. But they do need to have at least a couple of big hitters that will draw attention to the system. If the came out at E3 and announced Pokémon Z and Super Mario 3D Land 2 for holiday 2016 on 3DS, both the investors and the fans would be very happy.
It sounds like if Level-5 wants Yokai Watch to take off, localizing Yokai Watch 2 needs to be in the plans.
I haven't seen it and I've avoided it until I finish the first but I hear it's a much better game than the first and possibly even what catapulted the franchise' popularity in Japan.
Though it was also the first game to do the multi-version thing (initially two versions, and then released a third like five months later when the first YW movie was released). I wonder how that would do.
I'm hoping Yokai Watch 3 can still get localized but they'd need to kind of hurry before the 3DS market dies out. Supposed to be released in Japan this year, but is a game set in America. So I need to play it sometime.
Pokemon Z, though. That's only a question of when it's happening.
I'd say as a budget system sure, but I really don't think Nintendo can back up both systems with another one along the way.
Nintendo know how to treat their major pillars. Nintendo never get transitions across generations right like Sony. Lets face it, the New3DS hasn't even really been utilised bar the Xenoblade port, and some games that feature higher framerates, or C stick support. What's stopping Nintendo in rewarding gamers who bought New3DS, a system with over 2x the power? Laziness.
All they have to do is start with higher quality assets and toggle them off when an old 3DS is used. I remember Rare doing this with Conker on GB/GBC, and Perfect Dark on N64 so it isn't exactly difficult.
@wayneyrob22 Sony made a good stab of it with PSP. But Vita sales have been abysmal to the point Sony don't release them. The Vita is an excellent system but Sony messed it up, starting with expensive bespoke memory cards...
@yuwarite Who cares?
The NX releasing in no way makes the 3DS and its stellar library any less worth owning.
@Nin10doh The third pillar portable didn't last long with the GBA when DS lauched. 3DS is still being strongly supported in Japan, so releasing a new portable would only cause confusion.
The Wii U is nigh dead in the water, with no 3rd party support. Unless the NX console is 4K and designed to compete with PS5, it makes no sense to launch a console next year; since it's rumoured the NX console will not be a 4k console. We'll have to see what the NX actually is; from my imagination, they're still going to launch 2 completely separate devices.
@yuwarite "The third pillar portable didn't last long with the GBA when DS lauched. 3DS is still being strongly supported in Japan, so releasing a new portable would only cause confusion."
This whole NX is a portable thing, is purely conjecture. We just don't know what it is yet.
Your second point is very apt, but NX doesn't have to have 4k or have all the same features as the competition to be competitive. That said I do care about it being powerful, to make for some great games, but I don't want it at the cost of being overpriced.
I still find the WiiU very enjoyable without 3rd party support, it made the system feel the most unique, that combined with Nintendo tapping to the indie dev market, which I hope continues into the future with the NX.
@Nin10doh We don't know what NX is yet, all we have are vague comments from Iwata at best. But when asked if it would be a single device, he said 'not at the moment, and if anything we may release several devices'. He also alluded to how they want to imitate the Apple/Android ecosystem of several devices, with software that's portable across each. In addition they merged their console and handheld teams. You could take a lot of this to assume they want to still make separate devices (console and handheld), where the software can, to some extent, run across both.
I don't think the NX console has to be 4K, but if it releases next year, it's nudging past the midlife cycle of the PS4. And by that time Sony would have acquired most of the console buying market. Releasing a console that's close to PS4 spec next year is basically setting up another system to sell exactly like the Wii U did, because why would the market that already owns PS4's feel compelled to buy it? The 3DS has no competition, so there's less reason to rush it out. However for the console, they really need to get it out sooner as to not give Sony any more of their potential market.
@yuwarite Absolutely they need to put something out there. No matter when they do that, it has to be something that is powerful enough to be very competitive now, while still being competitive enough for the future PS5, and X Box whatever releases.
NX as a handheld has the potential to alienate their customer base (especially the new 3ds adopters), which as you pointed out has no competition so its pretty pointless. Its focus as a console makes the most sense.
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