Rumours around a re-release / remaster of The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess have been swirling for quite some time, occasionally a reflection of fan desires rather than any solid evidence. It wasn't so long ago that there was talk of it as a potential New Nintendo 3DS remake, taking the lead of Xenoblade Chronicles 3D and utilising the system's extra processing power. In fairness Nintendo hasn't seemed overly keen to push New Nintendo 3DS exclusives a great deal, so rumoured evidence of The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess HD popping up in Wii U eShop data seems more feasible. Combine an apparent HOME menu logo with listings reputed to be found in Nintendo servers for a host of games (including this HD remaster) and there's a weight of speculation to consider.
Assuming the weight of apparent evidence comes true, this would be a fairly unique game (though maybe not the first) in getting a release on three consecutive home consoles, courtesy of its history of being both a Wii launch title and last-gasp hurrah for the GameCube. Our hope is that any HD re-release, whether full-on retail effort or eShop product, will also support both Wii waggle and physical buttons, giving sticklers for detail a chance to play this one with Link wielding sword justice in his left hand. We also have a niggling suspicion (based on no solid evidence whatsoever, just intuition) that the next full Zelda game could straddle the Wii U and NX in the same manner as TP, which would bring some beautiful symmetry.
Yet the question would be raised - is Nintendo placing too much emphasis on remakes and nostalgia, and does a Zelda game appearing (potentially) on three consecutive home consoles represent a new nadir in this trend? Well, perhaps, but we suggest it's what we should expect - after all, we keep telling Nintendo we want old games over and over again.
Now, of course, gamers of many kinds have varied desires, but as a corporation Nintendo will look at sales numbers and trends and react accordingly; ultimately, Nintendo fans continue to show the most enthusiasm for a small group of IPs, both through new games but also for remakes and Virtual Console downloads. We're getting the remakes we demand through our buying habits, and Nintendo is happy to oblige as these represent easier and cheaper projects than producing a brand new alternative.
This trend can be found on 3DS and also on rival platforms such as PS4 and Xbox One, with the first two years of those home consoles having a liberal splattering of remakes (often of games only a few years old) driving sales. We're going to stick with Wii U in this case in the interest of not being here all day, but the power of remakes is strong across the industry; we just feel the appetite among Nintendo gamers is that little bit stronger.
Looking at the top-selling Wii U games to date, Nintendo Land and Splatoon are rare imposters in a wave of series games, which is to be expected. Helped by hardware bundles (probably) The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD is the 8th best-selling title on the system with 1.57 million sales; The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D also sneaks onto the 3DS top 10, for those interested. There's plenty of familiarity there, in other words.
Yet what about on the Wii U eShop, a source of sales results if not firm numbers? Well, below is the top 20 'All Bestsellers' in the US at the time of writing:
1. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD (like boosted by hardware bundles)
2. Super Mario World
3. Wii Street U (free at launch)
4. Super Metroid
5. Earthbound
6. Pikmin 3
7. Super Mario Bros. 3
8. Super Mario Bros.
9. New Super Mario Bros. U
10. Mario Kart 8
11. Punch Out Featuring Mr. Dream
12. Metroid Prime Trilogy
13. Super Mario 64
14. NES remix
15. Splatoon
16. Super Mario Bros. 2
17. The Legend of Zelda
18. Smash Wii U
19. Zelda: A Link to the Past
20. Kirby's Adventure
And the equivalent top 20 in the UK:
1. Wii Street U (free at launch)
2. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD (like boosted by hardware bundles)
3. Super Mario World
4. Metroid Prime Trilogy
5. The Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past
6. EarthBound
7. Trine 2: Director's Cut
8. Super Mario 64
9. Super Mario Galaxy 2
10. Super Mario Bros. 3
11. Super Mario Kart
12. Art Academy: SketchPad
13. Pokémon Rumble U
14. NES Remix
15. Super Mario Bros.
16. Mario Kart 8
17. Splatoon
18. Dr Kawashima's Brain Training: How Old is Your Brain? (free at launch)
19. Super Mario 3D World
20. Shovel Knight
There are provisos to consider, such as Club Nintendo reward codes inflating downloads of some games, though let's remember that the promotion offered non-retro downloads too. We also recall looking at the charts in past times and noticing similar trends, with all of the usual names dominant and 'Nindies' or unfamiliar titles perhaps making brief appearances in the 'Recent Bestsellers' top 20 chart.
We're not pointing this out as a means of criticism - this isn't a polemic about Nintendo gamers buying old games and damaging the prospects for new experiences. That's not quite the case, with Splatoon being a good example of a new IP from Nintendo that's capable of grabbing attention and achieving success to rival illustrious and established brands. The eShop audiences also have the ability to embrace a game to the point that impressive download sales are achieved for small studios, as can be seen in the stories accompanying titles like Gunman Clive, SteamWorld Dig and Shovel Knight.
So those stereotype and snark-driven comments often made about the Nintendo audience don't entirely hold up under scrutiny. That said, we shouldn't be at all surprised when remakes are produced by Nintendo, or when it makes a big announcement of introducing DS and Wii games to the Wii U eShop. The big N's simply playing to its market - many of us simply love nostalgia and retro games from last-gen and way beyond.
And so the Virtual Console - in its more limited form primarily focused on a smaller batch of games - and remasters will keep coming, in this generation and beyond. Wii U owners in particular have shown a capacity to buy the same content multiple times, and this writer can't deny that he'll likely be right there on day one for Twilight Princess HD should the seemingly inevitable happen.
The balance for Nintendo will become increasingly hard to manage, giving us the nostalgia we desire without releases becoming trite and almost parodies in themselves. Will there be an Ocarina of Time NX? Or a Twilight Princess HD Wii U download offering on the NX eShop? Will that actually be a problem?
Arguably it's no issue, but what Nintendo needs to do is to keep fresh away from re-releases and remasters. It was certainly 'fresh' with Splatoon, and the task in the next generation will be convincing the many millions that didn't follow from DS and Wii that the company's not completely stuck in its history and emphasizing nostalgia for its core base. Nostalgia will need to be secondary to innovation.
We still think Nintendo has a good balance of fresh ideas and gallery-pleasing oldies - it'll need that to return to 'Nintendo-like' sales in the next generation.
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I'm ready for it, it's been almost 9 years since I played and beat the last one. Had to do it fast since my first son was going to be born in February and I knew my gaming time would greatly diminish.
Super Mario Sunshine HD. Can we have that, please?
Ughh, come on, Nintendo. If this is true, it means we've had remakes of 80% of the 3D Zelda titles this generation. Enough is enough.
Twilight Princess is easily the worst 3D Zelda, in my opinion.
Also, enough with the remakes already! >:[
Some games being remade makes some sense because it is difficult to play older ones now, like the Legend o Zelda The Wind Waker. I like the newer version better, like taking pictures to fill the Nintendo Gallery which was slower.
I remember Super Mario Sunshine, when I got it people called it the worse Mario game ever, but I liked it.
A person I knew called Alex something said it was the worse. A different Alex
The Nintendo fan base probably has the highest concentration of nostalgia addicts of any game community.
When a re-release happens on other platforms people go, "okay".
When it happens on Nintendo platforms with Nintendo games the Nintendo fan base gets hype and cheers.
I think almost a decade consititues a reasonable time for a remaster or re-release of a Nintendo title on a different system.
I mean competitors remastered last year's games this year and 2013's games in 2014. While there is some nostaligia I think it's kind of silly to go "NO! Nintendo don't touch that ~10 year old game, don't update it for a new system".
Only if it means a HD Skyword Swords afterwards....
@bezerker99 Agreed.
This gen gets 4 Zelda remakes, and just 1 new game. Ugh.
At least the Ocarina of Time/Majora's Mask remakes made some sense as they weren't playable on handhelds before, but Twilight Princess is still playable on the Wii U. For a group of fans that always seem to claim that graphics aren't that important, there sure seem to be a lot of people overly-excited to shell out $50-60 for a game that they already own, just to see it with better visuals.
At first I thought it was stupid to remaster a Wii game for the Wii U when it can already play those games, but then people pointed out they may actually base this on the Cube version, unflipped and with proper controls. If that's the case then I think it's a pretty good idea. It's not a genius move or anything, but I can see the point and I'd probably buy it.
It would be nice if Nintendo set up a studio like Bluepoint is for Sony. When they're remastering games, you don't feel like other games have been sacrificed as their sole purpose is to do these remasters. With Nintendo, you know it's taken time away from some other project.
I'd love TP HD because the visuals of TP today can be a bit difficult to look at (mostly because its beautiful art style deserved better than the Wii's hardware). Wind Waker didn't need a remake IMO (a re-release on VC would have been fine) because the original still looked good (though I will say I LOVED Wind Waker HD). It should be a remaster of the Cube version though, as anyone can get the Wii version (while Cube one is a bit rarer).
Also with a remaster, there are some things they could add, such as Hero Mode (TP is the easiest 3D Zelda—it's nearly impossible to die in the game), more little quests on Hyrule Field to make it less barren (simple things such as, challenges, etc.), no loading screens (so entirely seamless gameplay), maybe make the intro to the game shorter, improve the wolf sections, etc. Personally TP is my least favourite 3D Zelda (though it is by no means a bad game), but I'd still be pumped for this. It's obvious that if TP HD is real, that it's a compensation for Zelda U coming out in 2016 as opposed to 2015.
The thing about remakes/re-releases (as seen on PS4/X1/WiiU) is that I wish Nintendo set up a "remaster studio" like Sony does, because then you know that these projects don't take away from developing new games.
Twilight Princess is easily the best 3D Zelda game to date. Bring on the HD remake! I am ready!
I've got no problem with this. I actually think Nintendo has been way behind on remakes. This is the first HD system from Nintendo, and playing the originals on HDTVs actually looks worse than on SDTVs, so I'm looking forward to these upgrades. I think they're warranted after about 10 years.
I hope that the HD remaster for Twilight Princess really happens. In its native 480p, the game has not aged well graphically, especially with those muddy textures. However, I have come to appreciate the game more and more as time has gone by because it is very unlikely we would get a "dark-looking styled" Zelda for a long time. Nintendo's design philosophy has changed too much over the past decade or so, edging more towards colorful games than ones with darker palates. I'm not saying color is a bad thing, I'm just saying that I appreciate Nintendo's direction with the style of TP considering that colorful philosophy.
@Peach64 False. They're developed by side teams most of the time. Only Wind Waker HD was done by the main Zelda team while experimenting for the new Zelda. Ocarina and Majora 3D were developed by Grezzo. Pokemon ORAS was developed by a side team at Game Freak, not the main one.
The idea that Nintendo's remakes always take away from developing new games is just an assumption by fans.
@claypool There's 3 new games, not one. The 2nd new game releases next week, with the last one next year.
@IceClimbers The 3D Zelda games are how it should work, though I'm sure the side team at Game Freak went back to working on some non-remaster project when it was done, so I'll stick by that one.
There's a much bigger factor for Wind Waker HD's sales than hardware bundles and that is the Mario Kart 8 free game promotion. NA's selection was particularly poor (WWHD, NSMBU, Pikmin 3, Wii Party U) so I expect Wind Waker HD was the most picked choice. Even with EU's much better selection, the decision becomes whether you choose a game you were planning on getting anyway and hence saving £40/£50 or go with a game you weren't planning on buying and possibly be introduced to something you never expected to like.
As for my view on Twilight Princess HD, if you asked me at the beginning of June I'd have been fully against it because all consoles are doing remasters way too frequently. Now, I've accepted that a HD remaster is better than a severe game drought provided it's old enough and TPHD will be great provided 2 things:
@DarkKirby Did you see the reactions to the FFVII remake?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kznek1uNVsg
Over 12 million views on the announcement trailer speaks for itself. Getting excited over a remake is not something that only Nintendo fans do. A lot of re-releases other platforms have been getting lately are games that are not that old (The Last of Us, Tomb Raider, etc), so there's not as much of a reason for people to get excited about the improvements that can be made.
I don't understand why people want a Mario Sunshine HD remake. Mario Sunshine aged REALLY well because of the art style. Twilight Princess looks like garbage now because of the realistic look they tried doing on the Wii.
@claypool wasn't a link between worlds a new game? Zelda u will be a new game. Doesn't that make two?
I skimmed this article so maybe I'm missing the point but Nintendo would be idiotic not to take advantage of people's nostalgia. These remaster are a great way to make a quick buck and pad a release schedule.
I loved Twilight Princess when i played it on Gamecube (I assume it's this version they're remastering), i even finished it, but I have little desire to go back, especially not at 50 or so dollars they're probably gonna charge.
I would totaly buy a Mario Sunshine HD remake though. I never beat it and it would look GREAT in HD, unlike Twilight Princess' more muddy realistic style.
I'm probably in the minority but I think Nintendo should have done tons more remakes on the Wii U.
Putting their games in HD for the first time was excuse enough, adding online play to games that need it would have been another plus and many could have benefitted from tweaks to the game itself/being released in new territories/not being quietly forgotten at the end of a machines life/having buttons instead of waggle controls.
If this is cheap 29.99 or 39.99 i will get it.I hate waggling.If its 59.99 no.......I dont like the wii verson of twilight.GC is better but i don't have it.......
@Storytime7
FF7 is one game which Final Fantasy fans have been asking for a remake of for years, and it isn't getting a lazy HD version, it's actually getting a full remake. That's what people were cheering for.
The same hype would not happen for any other Final Fantasy game, and it hasn't for the remakes of the ones that have been released.
I'm sure it will be a good remake but come on Nintendo! I bought a Wii U for Zelda U and three years later we're still waiting and I honestly believe they are keeping it back for the NX!!
I'm sure it will be a good remake but come on Nintendo! I bought a Wii U for Zelda U and three years later we're still waiting and I honestly believe they are keeping it back for the NX!!
Just played through TP this year. Loved it. Kids loved it. I'd be excited for an HD remake particularly one that gave as much attention to control options and pacing as the Wind Waker port did. I'd probably wait a bit though. Too fresh in my memory.
Seems like a decent stopgap while we wait for the new Zelda, but not the best for me. Maybe Ocarina on 3DS will get a discount ... but then the age old issue of not being able to share the experience with my kids. I guess... original muddy version of that or Majora's Mask?
Anyway, I never wanted Nintendo to go and HD remake too many games if it was going to significantly distract from new games, but now that we aren't getting any new games...
This would be awesome. Twilight Princess is my favorite Zelda game of all time, even one of my favorite games of all time overall. Me want.
@DarkKirby Yes, and some of the games Nintendo has remade (Majora's Mask) were also ones that fans asked for. None of the Zelda remakes have been lazy. OoT, MM, and WW all had improvements made to the gameplay in addition to looking better.
I don't see how remakes on other platforms are different. I just see you making it out to be a bad thing when Nintendo fans are excited about a remake.
@bezerker99 idk I think some remakes are needed like sunshine but that's cause I can't find it to save my life.
I will most likely pick this up but I think it's also a missed opportunity at the same time. To me it makes more sense to have the team who's remaking this work on a franchise who's first outing was largely skipped but has since cultivated a huge following with a sequel. Luigis mansion on the cube would have been a better choice.
@Boxmonkey
I don't know about keeping it back for the NX. The time-frame was really tight as it was. Even if it doesn't ever end up on NX it seems like there was plenty of reason to delay the release. And once you delay it past the Holiday season, from the company perspective, you might as well use months of extra time instead of rush.
Also... if the NX is a Wii U crammed in a portable GamePad that you can plug into a TV that many are proposing. It will be the same game engine and performance so porting it to the NX might be minor or just take advantage of a new feature or two.
If it is a bumped spec closer to PS4, then I want them to port it over. I want it to look fantastic, honestly, and I'll wait.
@faint I think Tri Force Heroes is being considered as the 1 new game and Zelda U as next gen. ALBW is an odd case given how close it is to ALttP so remake or not is arguable.
Ocarina of Time defined a 3D genre. Majora's Mask is one of the most intense and unique games ever made. Twilight Princess is perhaps the finest 3D Zelda game. Plus, its detailed and more realistic graphics would extremely benefit from an HD version. On the other hand, both The Wind Waker and Skyward Sword were lacking. I love the 3DS remakes, now I need Twilight Princess HD!
I don't get why people hated on TP's graphics that much. For the era TP came out (consider it was built on the gamecube before ported to the more powerful wii) it's graphics were pretty good. It was more dark atmospheric due to realistic shadows, but I'd hardly say the game looked muddy in anyway.
Floor texture seemed a bit stretched out though.
This is my favourite Zelda game and I certainly wouldn't say no to having the opportunity to play it in HD. I always thought this would benefit more from a HD port than Wind Waker did as the latter is still beautiful, even in standard definition. I suppose Nintendo could pull a Majora's Mask 3D and announce it in a Direct before releasing it early next year but I would be surprised. That said the release schedule next year is looking horrifically barren and a HD remaster is a good way for any platform holder to fill in the gaps.
One explanation for the heavy bias towards retro titles in the eshop charts is that in addition to being brilliant they are also relatively cheap. Nintendo never reduce the price of retail games on the eshop and I think this puts people off buying. Not to mention the console won't even let you buy a game if there isn't enough room to download it.
Probably won't go for TPHD as like WWHD I already have the GC versions and I'm fine with that.
Still, I hope its not like FFX HD or FF Type 0 HD where they updated some models and textures but left a crap ton of other stuff alone leading to some pretty jarring quality difference (the player characters in Type 0 looked like they were from a PS3 game... while everything and everyone else was ported over blatantly from the PSP game, with the same applying to X HD).
Wow, I would not have thought there would be people nostalgic for this one, but I guess there are (based on the comments here). I enjoyed it, but I probably enjoyed it the least of any zelda I've played...
I guess I also played it quite a bit later than most people (like, maybe 3 years ago)
I don't want to play TP again. I beat it 3.5 times and I've had my fill. I'm hoping TP HD is just a placeholder nickname for Zelda U.
I can't lie, I'd buy it. I also bet that if it were only an eShop release that people would crash the damned servers at midnight when it released.
This would be awesome in HD and hopefully use the gamepad in a good way for maps and inventory etc wish its was coming out this holiday season tho too make up for Zelda Wii U being pushed back!!
Wii Zelda's weren't that great. I'm ready to move on.
@Grumblevolcano what. A link between worlds is obviously a new game and who told you Zelda you wasn't going to be on the wiiu? Did Nintendo? Was it just a bunch of speculation from fans biased on a console we know next to nothing about that does not have a release window? I don't count triforce heros do to it being a spinoff but that's just my opinion
"does a Zelda game appearing (potentially) on three consecutive home consoles represent a new nadir in this trend?"
Yes, because 8 years is much too soon, and don't get me started on new graphics.
Of all that, I'm most shocked that Shovel Knight is only the 20th best selling UK eshop title.
The reason the Twilight Princess HD is likely is because based on a modified Wind Waker engine much like Majora's Mask being based off the Ocarina of Time engine. This means that it should be a relative short path to update the Wind Waker HD engine to run Twilight Princess HD. Update the art assets and everything else is there. Hopefully they offer both the traditional controls seen in Wind Waker and the Wiimote Control setup.
@faint I'm just guessing what @claypool was meaning, that's all. How I'd interpret the remakes + new games situation is including Twilight Princess HD in the debate. Namely 4 remakes (OoT, MM, WW, TP) and 2 new games (ALBW, TFH). As for Zelda U, I honestly think that Twilight Princess HD wouldn't exist on Wii U but rather be a few years into the NX's lifespan if Zelda U was still coming to Wii U. This really feels like a creation solely for apologetic reasons.
I mean who is against this
especially since we won't see the new Zelda for a while ;-;
(plus TP hasn't aged well at all t bh
@bezerker99 true. I want moar zeldarr (except for Tf. Heroes because it just itsnt right)
@drewodrew yes please.
@Boxmonkey I don't think they are. When they first announced the dely, the said it may not be in 2015. So there was still a chance of being released on time. They said the reason of the dely was to add more content and make it glitchless.
Am absolutely for a remake/remastering of Twilight Princess, but I am not sure if it is too soon right now and would be better as NX launch title if the NX is suited for Twilight Princess (HD).
While I have played Twilight Princess (GC) on a big TV and I have to say the resolution doesn't look good ;^^. Either way I think Twilight Princess HD will be something that is worth looking forward to .
I've never played Twilight Princess so I would consider purchasing this. I'm shocked a few more remakes didn't show up for Wii U already. With the lack of 3rd party support I would think 2 to 4 remakes per year from N64 and Gamecube would have really helped the release schedule appear more robust. Metroit Prime Triology, a PoR/RD Fire Emblem, Mario Sunshine, Luigi's Mansion, Eternal Darkness, 1080, WaveRacer all seem like pretty safe bets for decent sales and some hype for a struggling Nintendo system
@Grumblevolcano I got my copy of WW HD via the MK8 deal, and there really was no debate. Considering how well MK8 sold I'm guessing a lot of freebies in those numbers. Looking forward to the next Club Nintendo so they can start having more deals like that again. And Platinum and Gold trophies. And coin purchases. Over the course of 6 years I got a lot out of CN. And now, nothing.
I really wish we could get some actual game news. I usually like the talking points and editorials and discussing things, but times are tough when we're left with nothing but rumours to talk about. Rumours, speculation and what ifs.
Yuck. I've got an idea, why don't they just focus on Zelda U. I just hope that Zelda U will be better than the snore-fest that was Twilight Princess.
I think it's far more likely that this would be a simple Virtual Console game rather than a remake. It wouldn't make a lot of sense to remake this game since it is so recent and not as beloved as other Zelda titles. I personally think it's great, however!
@claypool We've only had three remakes (Ocarina, Wind Waker, and Majora) in my book this gen. New games have been A Link Between Worlds (LTTP world, new story), Hyrule Warriors, Triforce Heroes and the 2016 game. Personally I'm fine with any further HD remakes. It works for Sony and Microsoft, though I don't think Nintendo should rest soley on remakes. If I remember correctly Wind Waker HD was developed by a small crew in six months. I would think they could use a small staff or consult with an outside developer to remaster some current requested games like Twilight, Sunshine, and F-Zero GX to name a few.
I'm happy about this. I only played the Wii Version of TP, and only played through it once. If it is a remake like WW, it would be good to play this as the GC version.
Nintendo needs to ease back on the remakes. If this comes to be, it will be the 4th Zelda remake of this generation. That's at least 2 too many in my opinion.
If they release a HD remake of TP, then I'll be certain that Zelda U is a Wii U and NX duel release. It would obviously exist for the sole purpose of why Windwaker came to be, which was to keep Zelda fans happy while they worked on Zelda U. Now that Zelda U is MIA, and has been for many months, this would be a way to cash in on the Zelda crowd who desperately want a new game.
@bezerker99 the worst Zelda is still better then most other action adventure games out there. And personally, tp is my favorite. Oot always was, but I've played tp over 10 times now and ill ever get enough of the end fight. Wiimote controls never bothered me ever. Skyward is too good of a game in every way and suffers some from it, and is my 2nd fav, then oot. Mm and windwaker are my least fav 3d Zelda games, but they both great. I just turned my 3ds off from playing lb2w to make this comment.
Just saying...I'm content just replaying Zelda games to fill my time between new ones. And really, that's like every 3 years. So hd remakes and ports are fine with me. I have almost every Zelda game possible on my 3ds and wii u. I hope with nx I can say that too.
I'd be more excited if they dug out BS Zelda from the Satellaview and dropped it on the VC without all the time restraints of the original release. That would be way more interesting.
Down the road, yes, no surprise. Currently, yeah, it would be surprised.
How about no more remakes and give us something new instead
If it happens I hope Nintendo doesn't charge $50 for it,I think it should be like $30 for $40...
@DarthNocturnal
I couldnt agree more about Zelda II,
evn a 3d classic would make me happy.
I luv Adventures of Link.
GIVE US MOAR ZELDA II !!!!
I'd buy it. I bought it for the GC back whenever it was out, although I no longer have that one... But I did buy the Wii version later on about a year ago or two because it was $20. It was weird af because it was flipped, but it was still fun. I do hope this one would be un-flipped like the GC though.
I think we could maybe slow down on the remakes, here...it's starting to get out of hand. As @MoonKnight7, this would be the 4th Zelda remake this generation. I think we've had enough.
I'll buy it. We have / will be getting 4 Zelda games by 2016 with link between worlds, tri force heroes, Zelda Wii u and hyrule warriors. If Mario tennis counts as a Mario game then hyrule warriors is a Zelda game. Personally I would really like skyward sword come to VC first as I traded that game in and I would really like to have it again.
I know a lot of folks hate on it but I liked Twilight Princess.
That said, we've had 3 remakes of Zelda this gen. I can't be bothered with another.
Give me some OTHER franchises as remakes. Luigi's Mansion, Mario Sunshine, Chibi Robo, Metroid Prime, F-Zero GX, Sin & Pinishment (on 3DS - amazing!), Doshin the Giant, Eternal Darkness. Just not another Zelda, not yet. Save that one for when we don't have 2 new ones on the horizon.
I have not played TP so really looking forward to this (if it is real.) If it is real then I hope they incorporate Splatoon gyro aiming as it is second nature to me now and when I play Ocarina of Time, I instinctively try to aim like that with the bow and arrow >.<.
Go ahead and release it, but I have no reason to get it, or any more Zelda remakes from now on. I got Wind Waker HD because I never owned or played it, and I got Majora's Mask becuase it was my favorite one. But now that I own every Zelda game, with Majora's Mask out of the way, I have no need for anything that's not brand new.
I think the article and some comments exaggerate about Nintendo remakes, when they are not common at all. Actually, Nintendo needs to learn to update their retro games instead of giving the same untouched NES roms every new generation (for €5 each... yuck). Sony is giving a great example with the Nathan Drake Collection, three remakes of three awesome PS3 games for €60; while Microsoft is extremely generous with Rare Replay - 30 Rare games for €30, with a few of them quite improved.
Ocarina of Time 3D and Majora's Mask 3D are great remakes of awesome games. Twilight Princess is gorgeous but it needs a resolution boost to look decent on a big HD screen, The Wind Waker didn't need it that much because the textures are plain and the visuals are simple, and yet they made the HD version. Twilight Princess is a better game (in my opinion) that needs an updated version much more because of its visual style, detailed graphics and low resolution.
Don't even care. Day 1 buy.
... though I passed on Wind Waker HD, so I guess I'm net neutral as a consumer.
I think the re-make route is a lazy way for developers to cash in with as little effort as possible.
Nintendo over the years has been a pro at selling us the same games over and over again. Porting old SNES games to the GBA, porting SNES and N64 games to the DS, the virtual console, etc.
I would rather they focus their efforts on new products rather than rehashing old ones. At the very least, if you are going to remake an old game, go back in time farther. An HD Twilight Princess would be a half assed effort. But, remake the original LoZ or AoL, and now you've got a stew going. A 3d remake of the two NES games. Imagine that.
Or, don't dream a little bigger, darling
For a better point of reference, look what Square did when they ported Final Fantasy 1-4 from old 2D tech to 3D. Much better use of time than just upping the texture resolutions on Twilight Princess, as Capcom did with the Resident Evil re-remake, or Last of Us HD, or anything HD that was a remake.
Though Square has earned my wrath for remaking the overrated and crap in comparison FF7, when FF6 was the best FF game ever, and only a child would say FF7 was better, and I will argue this till I die (and whoever argues with me, you will die too )
As someone new to console gaming (coming from PC), stuff like Amiibos and Rare Replay are really disenfranchising. I can imagine it's even worse for non-gamers.
I want to say that's a problem, but PS4, and Xbox One to a lesser extent, have been a smashing success just appealing to the hardcore market.
@VanillaLake
"I think the article and some comments exaggerate about Nintendo remakes, when they are not common at all."
Exaggerate? What is there to exaggerate when this would be the 4th one in a console generation? That's simply too many. OoT was in 2011, Windwaker was in 2013, MM was this year, and now there's the theory that TP could come out either this year or next year. Stop with the full price Zelda remakes. Its an obvious play if TP HD comes to light; there's nothing going for the Wii U anymore.
It will literally only exist to keep Zelda fans happy while they wait patiently for Zelda U. It is the sole reason why Windwaker HD exists today. It will be history repeating itself, with still, no idea when Zelda U is coming.
I don't mind remakes, but they've dropped too many, too quickly, and at full retail prices. In regards to the Wii U specifically, they seem more like an apology for stringing us along about Zelda U, more than anything else.
I would love to play an HD remake...
But I'm terrified of giant spiders. >.>
There is nothing wrong with remakes if done right.
Nintendo rarely does remakes in general, especially on their consoles.
WindWaker HD was a well done remake and before that the last console remake from Nintendo was.... I'M STILL THINKING... ummm.... This is getting hard.... is technically Super Mario Bros. All-Stars (featuring 1-3 remade). Though some still claim that Mario Kart 64 is a glorified remake of Super Mario Kart.
Though Wii did see a few enhanced ports such as Metroid Prime 1, Metroid Prime 2, Pikmin 1, Pikmin 2, DK Jungle Beat, Mario Power Tennis and I think a few others.
The only three 3DS remakes to date are: Ocarina of Time 3D, Majora's Mask 3D, Star Fox 64 3D.
DS remakes saw Kirby SSU, Fire Emblem 1, Fire Emblem 3 (JP only), Super Mario 64, and I think one other.
Nintendo has been getting a good amount of feedback from gamers and Zelda fans to remake Twilight Princess, Majora's Mask, Ocarina of Time and A Link To The Past in HD.
There is also a push to get Nintendo to remake Smash Bros. Melee, Super Mario 64, Super Mario Sunshine, Super Mario Galaxy 1&2, and many other 3D games in HD.
People have regularly complained since SNES that Nintendo doesn't release enough Zelda games fast enough.
Anyways the point is if Nintendo doesn't release a console Zelda this holiday or shortly afterwards, the press and NeoGaf will be claiming Nintendo has abandoned gamers for _________! (fill in the blank).
Wave Race Blue Storm in HD next, ty.
is clearly Nintendo trying to make up for the fact that there won't be a new Zelda game on the Wii U (next Zelda main line game would be exclusive to Nintendo's next console)
I love that Nintendo fans whine about the "cinstant remakes" when Wind Waker HD was technically the only real remake, while Ocarina and Majora had a Handheld debut and not a straight console to console HD rerelease.
All the while, on the Sony side, you have fans defending the ever living goomba out of Sony while their current line up also consists of mainly remakes and ports from the PS3 and exclusive content is pretty much non existant.
Personally, id love a well made HD remake of Twilight Princess as it is by far the most beatiful game so far. But other than wind waker, it would also need a poly count update to its assets and models and not just new textures.
Wind Wakers overall style still looks fantastic and the low poly models actually work in its favor.
TB would look a little...uncanny to be honest.Give its rough edges a slight overhaul, give us both the standard and mirror mode options and im in
@Fandabidozi Nah, id rather have a new Wave Race game with a new, modern physics based water engine We have the technology
For the past 2 weeks the Wii version of Twilight Princess has sat on the top of my Wii U. If's the only Zelda game I never completed, and I've been telling myself for the lifetime of the Wii U that I would go back to it when a big gaming whole appeared- like Nintendo's Christmas line up. But the memory of blurry, hard to see dark textures and waggle controls have made me hold back.
The thought of a HD remake using the pro controller would solve all these problems and I'd be snapping it up ASAP.
Twilight Princess HD would kind of be a waste. I really liked Twilight Princess, but I can still find a copy of it out in the wild, and I still have a Wii hooked up to my television.
Unless they added new content to the game, I can't see myself buying the game again. Improving the graphics isn't enough to make me purchase by itself. That being said, I'm not complaining about remakes. Quite a few remakes in the past have gotten plenty of love and have turned out great. I hope this will be one of those too.
@MrMario02
Yes but people had plenty of issues about the Gamecube and Wii versions.
They want Nintendo to remake the game, so they can finally enjoy it as it was meant to be.
@MrMario02
To play Wave Race Blue Storm?
@JamesCoote rare replay from my understanding was to also show their skill through the years and to let loose a wide variety of games at once while adding content, amiibo was bound to happen since Nintendo is a toy company and amiibo are more of a tiny perk when you think about it, while it stands though even if Nintendo only did hardcore market it wouldn't work with the image they have formed over the years.
@edgedino
Nintendo has never formed an image, it was the competition and offended gamers that gave them that image.
Nintendo has always stated they make games for everyone.
@MoonKnight7 I totally agree with you about Nintendo pricing, that's why I mentioned these examples:
Microsoft makes Rare Replay and it costs €30.
Sony makes The Nathan Drake Collection (Uncharted trilogy remastered) and it costs €60.
Nintendo makes Ocarina of Time 3D, The Wind Waker HD and Majora's Mask separate premium purchases (€60 for the home console game and €45 for each portable game).
I don't think that there are many Nintendo remakes but I believe that Nintendo needs to improve its approach to classics. I love remakes and remasters but Nintendo is doing it slowly, piece by piece, at a premium price while Sony is offering a superb trilogy remastered for €60 and Microsoft 30 Rare classics for €30. Nintendo is punishing their more loyal fans a little harder every generation.
@DarthNocturnal
There has always been a small group that insists 5 was the best. Only recently did I finally get around to playing it, because I didn't want to comment on that subject before trying it.
Having done so, I do find it to be quite good, though unfortunate that some of the job classes are basically useless given all of the options provided. I know the job system turned off a lot of people, but having played Bravely Default prior to this game, I knew what to expect.
I found it unfortunate that you basically only have four characters, but I guess due to the job system there wasn't need for more than that. It had a lot of funny moments compared to other FF games, and the story was decent. I wouldn't put it above 4 or 6 though.
In short, you will live this day.
@Fandabidozi Wave Race Blue Storm HD or a Wave Race remake, I don't care, but we need that.
@DarkKirby amen. Like when the Halo collection and the Gears of War collection came out on the Wii U. Or when The Last of Us was rerelease On the Wii U. Don't forget Resident Evil and Tomb Raider. I hear Final Fantasy 7 will be out soon. I think that might be on the 3DS though. I'm going to have to switch to the Xbox or the PlayStation. All these remakes on Nintendo systems are making me crazy.
@Xenocity true but they ended up getting that image no matter what even if they didn't want it.
@MoonKnight7 yeah! You tell em! I agree with you! Nintendo should only make the games YOU want! I thought it would be great to play Twilight Princess again, but you proved me wrong! Plus I'm tired of Nintendo forcing me to buy their games! I wish there was an option to not buy them!
@DarthNocturnal
First time I played 6, the party splitting really screwed me later on. Especially trying to get through Kefka's tower with underleveled parties with little magic.
On later playthroughs, I leveled everyone so that any one person could destroy most of the enemies in the game. I spent many hours in the dinosaur forest for that purpose.
I mean obviously it required some grinding to level up all the people to a decent level to run those instances, but it was a preferred change from grinding job skills just to get certain abilities. I didn't care for the Ninja class but I wanted dual wield on my main attackers, for example.
I played the GBA version which added the OP job classes. Necromancer, Cannonier, and one or two others I forget.
@VanillaLake
Ocarina of Time 3D also features the remake of Master Quest as well along with new assets and control options which makes it well worth the $40 in my book (it also has been on official sale numerous times for much less).
You also cannot find OOT3D physically and will end up paying more for it to get the physical copy from resellers.
The digital version I do believe has dropped in price in the EU and will soon do so in the U.S.
Majora's Mask 3D has new assets, redone graphics, stable frame rate, some new features all for $40 (Which is well worth it.
Or you can buy the VC versions for $10.
Windwaker HD has bug fixes, hero mode added, new option sail for faster sailing, a few new side quests, Miiverse integration (Miiverse posts appear as floating bottles in the sea), modified Triforce quest (makes it much easier), improved graphics, and new controls all for $50. The original $60/€60 came with a Ganndorf statue (value is up to you). It's like playing a new game in my book (yes I beat it).
All 3 Zelda remakes were remade from the ground up with the first two with new assets, while adding new features and controls. They are true remakes and not up rezzed ports. Both 3DS games took ~2 years, while WindWaker took 6 months.
This is why they get away with charging full price (you can find them on sale).
Rare Replay just has ports with some being up ressed with nothing new being added or remade hence the $30 price tag (some people may find this a steal)
Uncharted trilogy remastered is up rezed ports of the PS3 games (which were already selling at $20). The trilogy fixed bugs and stuff though added nothing new. IT IS NOT A REMAKE! Hence the $60 tag.
@edgedino
There is nothing Nintendo can do about their image(s), not even launching a bloody gory shooter could dent it.
@Xenocity agreed and i really want to play twilight princess in hd glory and people need to stop complaining about it and its no like microsoft and sony do the same thing with their games by remastering them
@DarkKirby Both Xbox One & PS4 have gamers that are also hyped for remakes of their exclusive games. Halo MCC, Gears of War, The Last of Us, Uncharted trilogy, Ratched & Clank, etc..
I pre-ordered Twilight Princess with my Wii and i have really good memories about that game. The first fishing part with cat was awful but fishing with wiimote controls in later parts of game was really fun. I also liked that hidden minigame inside that house in fishing place.
@DarkCia
Remastering and remaking from the ground up are two very different processes.
Remastering it modifying and tweaking a game for a newer platform essentially being an enhanced port.
Remake is done from the ground up.
To get OOT3D and MM3D to run smoothly in full 3D effect on 3DS, isn't easy and cheap.
Hell Uncharted Trilogy for PS4 was done by Bluepoint Games (a 3rd party) not Naughty Dog.
@Xenocity You missed a few 3DS remakes:
Hyrule Warriors Legends could be argued either way but we'll have to see what content does get transferred to the Wii U version before making conclusions.
@InternetBowser
The biggest problem with Twilight Princess was the 30 minutes of herding & fishing before being allowed to actually play the game and the vast empty open over world.
The game has some of my favorite dungeons, quests, great fairy designs, boss fights and locations.
definitely would love to play it again with either button/stick based controls with pointers for aiming, or 1:1 Skyward Sword motion controls and pointers.
Skyward Sword suffered from Fi, reminding me what every item did at boot up as it if was new item, back tracking for one small item to advance the game, Tad Tunes collecting, and the Harp. Oh did I mention Fi...?
The game had memorable story, locations, a good to great dungeons, a few good characters, a few good boss battles, and few other things which I really liked.
I've finished TP earlier this year on Wii U in SD, an HD version does not interest me.
@DarthNocturnal
The Moogle Charm! I was horribly underleveled at the end due to that thing. But it also got my weakest party through Kefka's tower. And I had to vanish/doom one of the three main bad guys in it.
Of course I played that game for SNES when I was younger, so I didn't have the patience to grind like I do as an adult.
@Xenocity
I hear Skyward Sword was really good, but I got annoyed with the controls early on. They wouldn't do what I wanted them to. Just map that stuff to a controller please, no waggle.
That and the horribly slow beginning where you must learn how to climb a box. I try to skip it and the little $%#% wouldn't let me pass till I climbed the damn box and jumped down. Seriously, Nintendo needs to make the hand holding garbage an option.
@Grumblevolcano
Neither of those are remakes.
Both are enhanced ports the add a few new features.
DKC:R3D has a new mode to make the game easier and an extra world.
It also adds 3D effect, but that's it.
It still uses all the same stuff and assets as the original Wii game.
Xenoblade 3D has streetpass feature, Shulk Amiibo bonus each day, model viewer, juke box and raffle (where you spend X amount of play coins to get a character, model, music, or level model.)
It still uses all the same stuff and assets as the original Wii game.
Hyrule Warriors: Legends is following the typical pattern of DW games, where KT adds lots of new content to the new version (DW8 received 5 different versions or was it 4 before moving on)
So none are actual remakes, but three enhanced ports.
@InternetBowser
People have complained about getting lost and confused in Zelda games since the original and Nintendo tried to fix that with Skyward Sword (obviously it was a massive overcorrecting that annoyed me).
It was only a matter of time before Nintendo took the consumer feedback seriously.
I prefer a compact dynamic overworld to a empty vast boring overworld.
Wind waker did it right by having the sea teaming with pirates, sharks, angry birds, islands and friendly shop keepers.
Feeling highly apathetic towards this revelation. But, it does bring something humorous to light. Plenty of people criticize the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 for featuring too many remakes or 'remasters', (Uncharted, Gears of War, The Last of Us), yet Nintendo does it and people usually react with a great deal of praise. Strange, huh?
@InternetBowser
Getting into battles with pirates in WindWaker is fun.
So is trying to outrun them.
Ocarina was ok, though I could have lived with out it.
Majora's Mask purposely went to a streamlined hub based on feedback from those who played Ocarina of Time.
Skyward Sword I found the sky traveling to be fun trying to find what the Goddess Cubes unlocked and the other islands.
I didn't always care for going to ground world, though that depended on when I went to the ground world (desert being the most boring).
For me with console 3D Zeldas is: Windwaker>Skyward Sword>Majora's Mask (It was speedy getting around)>Ocarina of Time>Twilight Princess.
@EXP
Not really.
Nintendo was given grief for releasing WindWaker HD.
Sony was cheered for releasing the Uncharted Trilogy on PS4 for $60.
I'm actually quite happy with these remakes. Honestly I'm not a graphics whore or anything. But would a twilight princess look great in HD? Yes! Now nintendo isnt doing much because of wii u sales so it seems perfect to let smaller teams do these remakes instead of nothing at all.
As much as I love TP and I do loooooooove that game...I'll take Sunshine please... or a remake of LTTP in TP's engine...grin
@Xenocity I own Ocarina of Time 3D, Majora's Mask 3D and The Wind Waker HD and the original versions and I've beaten all of them, so I know what I'm talking about. I love them but I do have perspective. I never complained about the remakes but about Nintendo's pricing. Anyway, either you don't have a clue about remake and ports or you are not being objective at all.
Firstly, The Wind Waker HD is not a remake, it's a slightly improved port that doesn't even fix all bugs, as the frame rate issues around some islands are still there. The visual upgrade is not mindbending, but if you want to call it remake it's okay because each person has their own perception of remakes and ports and I don't feel like discussing it. The problem is that you are not fair when comparing Nintendo with Sony or Microsoft, which doesn't surprise me. You say Uncharted Trilogy is made by another developer, and? They have a very good reputation at doing remasters and Naughty Dog is busy with Uncharted 4. Don't you know Ocarina of Time 3D and Majora's Mask 3D were made by another developer, too? You make me laugh, really. I insist, I love Ocarina of Time 3D and Majora's Mask 3D and anyone reading my posts know that, but come on...
If The Wind Waker HD is a remake, The Nathan Drake Collection is 3 remakes for the same price, as it includes updated models, better geometry, better effects, better textures, plus much better resolution and frame rate. You have to know what you are talking, otherwise people will think that you are an ignorant.
You say that Rare Replay is a collection of ports. False, some of them are remastered, e.g, Grabbed by the Ghoulies. Even if it was a collection of ports, you'd talk differently about it if it was released on Wii U but, because it's on another console, is just a bunch of ports and the price is just okay. Oh, and don't forget Halo Master Chief Collection, with the better versions available of each game. What is Nintendo's Virtual Console if it's not just ports, sometimes not even optimised for modern TVs, like the 50Hz versions released in Europe when Wii U is not able to output 50Hz and has to repeat frames making the games more sluggish than ever?
I like Nintendo very much, I probably have played more Nintendo games than you, but the fanboy hypocrisy doesn't do Nintendo nor its reputation any favour.
@Everybody Yes I do want Twilight Princess HD.
I already own it on Gamecube so unless some new features are added there is no way I am purchasing it again despite the fact that I feel it may be the best 3D Zelda game, though that opinion changes every time I play a different one. That just shows how consistently amazing the series is!
Still waiting for my A Link to the Past remake.
I see both sides of the coin on this issue. For me personally, I didn't own a Gamecube or Wii so I missed out on over 10 years of Nintendo gaming. I was a PC/PS guy over that time. The remakes are fabulous for me as I get to play high quality games that I missed. I played Majora's Mask and I finally know why everyone loved it. If it didn't release on the 3DS, I probably wouldn't have played it. Same goes for Twilight or Skyward if they are released. I have never played those games. My wife isn't a big fan of 10 consoles hooked up to a TV so buying an old N64 or SNES isn't an option for me. The Virtual Console is a great fit. However (coin flips), a lot of Nintendo fans have had every console and have played all of these games. In fact, many still have the original copies (i'm jelly) and this must be anti-climatic. I often sit back and think, WOW, another remake when Zelda Wii U isn't out? For shame, Nintendo! I get that TP was a dual release, but fans already had WW to play on the Gamecube. We have had Hyrule Warriors and that is not the Zelda fix we want. I can see why people are disappointed or frustrated. I get it. At the end of the day, Nintendo is making almost all of their games now because 3rd party support is gone. They aren't taking as many chances as they once did and retro titles (new and old) give them a constant stream of revenue and that's important. I think we can expect this trend from now on. For every Ocarina of Time remake that sells 4 million copies, Nintendo can accept a new IP like Splatoon that sells 2 million. As a fans, we are going to buy both and Ninty knows that. Until we stop spending huge money on VC releases, remakes and re-masters, we can't expect them to change.
I feel like it would make more sense to bring it to the NX. Which is hard for me to say because it is easily one of my favorite games of all time
@mjc0961 Of course the side teams could have been working on a new game. I never suggested otherwise. Don't put words in my mouth, and cool it with the ad hominem.
My comment was dismissing the idea that the remakes somehow take away from the main teams developing a new game when they are developed by side teams or even outsourced the vast majority of the time.
I honestly don't see a problem with remaking Twilight Princess or at the very least, giving it a fresh coat of HD paint. The game will be 10 years old next year, which means there is an entire generation of gamers who missed it the first time.
Granted, I can see the argument against remakes since we have had so many, but Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, and Wind Waker were all at least 10 years old when their remakes came out, and the hardware that they came out on has been out of production for years.
So, that leaves the consumer two choices, either buy old hardware and carts or discs that may not work properly due to age, or hope these older games appear on a Virtual Console or download service.
A remake generally accomplishes two things, they often update the games for modern audiences by fixing issues or updating gameplay features and they make the games look better.
I skipped Majora's Mask the first time on the N64 because I hate the stupid controller on that system. Without the 3DS remake, I never would have seen the brilliance of the game when compared to other Zelda games. One other thing that helps the Majora's Mask remake is the vastly improved save system when compared to the N64 version.
As for Wind Waker HD, I missed it the first time it came out due to tons of crap that was going on in my personal life at the time. The HD version let me play Wind Waker without having to hookup outdated hardware and buying over priced used discs to enjoy the game.
I did play Twilight Princess for the Gamecube when it came out, and that is the version that I prefer over the port on the Wii. So, I welcome an HD remake that brings back the Gamecube control scheme because while the Wii version is pretty common, I think the Gamecube version is better simply because I don't have to mess with motion controls. Plus, the mirrored world of the Wii Version just felt weird.
So, I for one welcome an HD remake/remaster of Twilight Princess. I honestly don't get the hostility some people are giving this game or the other Zelda remakes/remasters.
What is wrong with reintroducing these games to new generations of gamers or letting older fans replay classics they loved in the past without having to pay for outdated hardware and games that look terrible on modern TVs anyway?
@mjc0961 @VanillaLake
Fine maybe I shouldn't have called Windwaker HD remake
Technically Tokyo EAD Team 1 worked side by side Grezzo to make Ocarina of Time 3D and Majora's Mask 3D
Tokyo EAD Team 1 is the made Super Mario Galaxy.
This is why they haven't produce anything in along while.
I actually only liked Battle Toads and Goldeneye, I the rest of Rare's library is vastly overrated. Hell I wouldn't by Rare Replay if it was $1 on Steam sale.
I've traditionally owned multiple consoles until this gen, when I could get what I wanted on PC/Steam instead of having to buy another console.
I've also played and owned most Nintendo, Capcom , Maxis and Sega games since I started gaming in 1989.
I'm not a blind fanboy!
Not just Nintendo's retro titles are 50hz in the EU, many other 3rd party releases are also 50hz. There isn't money in redoing the games into 60hz for the EU or it would have been done.
@mjc0961
Sony couldn't charge more than $60 for uncharted trilogy because they sell each for $20 on PS3 currently.
They've also given them away for free at numerous points in time, I do believe I received a free copy of one of them when i owned a PS3 years ago.
You cannot expect PS4 owners to pay more than PS3 owners for the same games without significant content added.
Don't worry though Sony will probably give the uncharted trilogy away in a few months to PS+ subscribers.
It makes sense remaking zelda on the wiiu, if any game/franchise really has a use for the controller its Zelda. Windwaker is amazing on WiiU. I'd love to see Twilight Princess updated for WiiU.
Granted, I'd love to see them fix the Wii-Mode so we can just launch Wii games directly from the WiiU menu and return back to the WiiU menu like the 3DS.
@bloodycelt
Wii Mode isn't broken, it's purposely built that way to contain the hacking, piracy and home brewing of Wii mode from accessing Wii U OS and hardware.
You can still make it like the 3ds, the WiiU Shop Wii titles prove that Nintendo can wrap a Wii game in a Wii-Mode launcher.
Also, had they instead wrapped each wii app you imported from the wii into a sandboxed self-contained launcher; you wouldn't be able to use homebrew inside wii-mode.
xenocity dont even remind me of that hacking $hit that happen on the wii seriously it was a hack fest on bo1 and mw3 which that one was pure garbage
@bloodycelt
That would have been time consuming and expensive.
It also would have really done a number on people who wanted full BC.
Nintendo would have gotten a huge amount of negative press if Wii U wasn't natively BC with Wii. It was better to let Sony go first with PS4.
@DarkCia
Piracy of titles was literally in the millions for many including Punch Out!!
I do believe Punch Out! was one of the many lesser games that was pirated more times that is was bought.
Remember hackers only hack for the sake of Homebrew (it's their motto)
Even Splatoon was briefly hacked this gen, causing anyone who saved after meeting an Octling saw their file corrupted.
Nintendo supposedly dropped the ban hammer on them Splackers.
@mjc0961 it would take a much larger team to make a full game as opposed to a remake. Also for all we know it could be handled by an out side studio. Ever think of that.
@Xenocity, 3ds has full BC to DS.
As I said Nintendo already proved they can do it with the Wii games on the WiiU E-Shop.
It would be nice if they applied that same wrapper to my Wii-apps so they're all on the same menu.
Twilight Princess is the last great Zelda game in my always right opinion (the series has been all over the place since) so yeah I would be up for this. But its going to have a fair bit of work done to bring it up to standards, but I have faith.
I don't think HD remakes are that bad. As long as they are
A. Not being advertised as something new
B. They aren't overdone.
Never understood why so many people hate HD remasters. I would prefer new games as well, but their a business, and are going to try and bank off of that goodness.
I played and enjoyed Twilight Princess back on the Wii, though I don't think I will double dip on this one, especially since I still have the game disc.
I enjoyed it on the Wii but I doubt I'll delve into the WiiU version for a while, it feels WAAAY too soon. But they sure love to bring out OoT for show a lot. But even so, up until the 3DS version of OoT I wasn't interested in replaying it since I had played it on N64. Maybe when the WiiU64 is out for the 20th anniversary of this game, I'll be interested in TP again.
@faint
And there's also Zelda Tri Force Heroes.
@mariovslink62
"Never understood why so many people hate HD remasters"
Same here. They don't take nearly as much to produce as a full new game and if done well can be really good both for people who missed the game first time round and those who want to revisit one they enjoyed previously (for nostalgia, to see what's changed etc). There must be a business there and demand for it, same way the music and movie industry's have resold and repackaged content time and again.
It's especially worth it if its a game from old SD hardware given a proper HD finish. The caveat is it should be a good value proposition, more Uncharted Trilogy (3 game bundle) than The Last Of Us (one barely improved game for full price) or the shoddy Sleeping Dogs port.
Since I finished it earlier this year on my Wii U I think it's best if you just keep working on that other Zelda game Nintendo. Cheers
Sick of remakes. Make it available for VC and keep focusing on the Wii U title,
TP isnt my favorite game, but it is my favorite art style of them all, so I would be excited to see a HD version. However, im not sure i could drop 60 buck on it... Actually, yeah there is no way, I would wait till it was on sale.
I'm all for it, not only because TP is my favourite TLoZ game but also because it would be a great filler/warm-up before Zelda U.
The Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess is my favourite Zelda game, and if Nintendo makes an HD remake, it will be the first time I play a Zelda game that I've played before on another console. I "recently" started to play Legend of Zelda games. So far, all the remakes has been my first experience with the games.
The first Legend of Zelda game I played was TLoZ: Ocarina of Time 3D (in 2011?), then TLoZ: Twilight Princess (Wii), TLoZ: Skyward Sword, TLoZ: The Wind Waker HD, TLoZ: A Link Between Worlds and at last TLoZ: Majoras Mask 3D.
I see some people say that Nintendo should make a The Legend of Zelda Skyward Sword HD remake, but in my opinion Skyward Sword has graphics that looks pretty good, with a unique style that gives a timeless impression. The Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess on the other hand, could benefit so much from a HD remake, the game looks old, even though it has the right colors and graphics style.
I really hope to see a The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess HD remake and if it happens, I'm sure it will be someones first experience with the game.
@Xenocity Actually it was Nintendo that started the whole kiddy image. In the hearings that led to the formation of the ESRB, Nintendo very much took the stance that games were meant for children and mature content had no place in gaming. Sega argued games should be made for all ages and rated appropriately like movies.
I enjoyed TP's waggle controls enough when I first played them in 2006, but after Skyward Sword, I just can't imagine going back to the TP waggle controls. I'm betting if TPHD comes out, it is the Gamecube version, with menu updates for the gamepad. Basically, it will get the WWHD treatment. Since WWHD was absolutely gorgeous, I can only imagine what a more realistic and moody game like TP would look like in HD. That's enough reason to release it. Also, absolutely needs a hero mode, master quest, or something, because it was WAY too easy.
@bezerker99 no way!!!! Twilight princess is the second best zelda ever made.
Would love to see this made in HD, it would look stunning. It's Visual style was the best out of all the zeldas
@Trickbaby14
"yeah! You tell em! I agree with you! Nintendo should only make the games YOU want! I thought it would be great to play Twilight Princess again, but you proved me wrong! Plus I'm tired of Nintendo forcing me to buy their games! I wish there was an option to not buy them!"
Lol, hmm I sense a bit of sarcasm here. It might be because every single sentence has an exclamation mark, but I could be wrong. I don't believe my comments warranted such a ridiculous response. That doesn't even come close to my point (nor the article's for that matter), while providing the generic response of, 'well, just don't buy it!' Never once, did I give any indication of selfishness; just pity for fans who have been patiently waiting for news on the new Zelda. I mean, seriously, were you just bored or something?
I am simply calling out Nintendo's crap for stringing us along, while Zelda U remains MIA after such blatant confidence. TP HD, would be an apology. If you can't see that, or are blissfully willing to take it, then there's no reason for us to discuss it further. Remakes are to pad schedules, nothing else. If you want TP in HD, at a full retail price, by all means go for it.
@VanillaLake
Yeah, I can at least agree with you there. The pricing is a bit absurd. I'll admit, the Nathan Drake collection is rather tempting. I can see that collection working to Sony's advantage without it being a blatant apology. It's easily going to increase sales for Uncharted 4.
I am happy with Twilight Princess remade, given that I have not paid the game before. Not sure for those who have played it before.
I would hardly call Twilight Princess in any way unique being released on three consecutive consoles. Ocarina of time released on four consecutive consoles and also on a handheld (N64, GameCube, Wii VC, Wii U VC and 3DS). A re-release of Twilight Princess would be nothing new for a Zelda game!
@MoonKnight7 Yes.
Crazy thought... What if TP:HD was done in Unreal 4...? I would LOVE to see how Wolf-Link looks!
If it looks anything like that demo from E3, then I am totally on board. If not, then maybe it needs more time in the oven.
@drewodrew Agreed, that should have come before another Zelda remaster. Although, the GameCube version of TP was better to me, simply because the wiimote was annoying. I'd have a lot more fun playing with the gamepad.
Im all for it. Bring it on Nintendo! Use those beautiful graphics you showcased in that Zelda E3 demo when the Wiiu was about to launch
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