As many of you are aware, data miners recently found interesting information present on the eShop that seems to suggest Nintendo is gearing up for an HD remaster of The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess. While there's not been any official confirmation so far, the evidence certainly does seem convincing and now there's been yet another development that seems to indicate that the rumours are indeed true.
At Nintendo's recent investors strategy briefing, a slide was shown depicting several characters from Nintendo's headlining franchises. The interesting bit was a previously unseen render shown for Link, which showed the character in a pose that almost perfectly matches a pose Link makes in some artwork for Twilight Princess. The fact that it appears to be an updated version of the pose - in addition to the news that Nintendo has unannounced titles ready for release before the end of the year – makes for a very interesting coincidence.
What do you think? Are the rumours true? If so, do you think it'll launch before the year is out? Share your thoughts in the comments below.
I'll find it odd (but not bad, per se) if they release a digital only HD remaster at what I assume will be a lower price, when WW HD was fully priced and at retail.
Then again, it could be retail, but I would expect it to mimic MM 3D; revealed in November Direct, released early next year.
Plus, unless it isn't too big, my Wii U may not have the storage space, so, retail would be nice.
@DarthNocturnal I could see this being one of their unannounced titles for the holiday season. I remember them saying that production of WWHD went quickly due to how lots of Gamecube assets could be transferred over to the Wii U. It's not unreasonable to think that it was a similar process with TP and considering that there's evidence of it in the eShop code, they could already be near completion if they aren't finished already.
If I had to bet money one way or the other I'd say it's coming, but that'd be a shame as I just played the game for the first time like a year ago, so I won't be getting it. Also not sure if I want to see those bird things in HD.
I would buy it at the 59.99 price point.
It's awesome to see the Inkling's there.
I won't believe it till Zelda Williams says it's so!
I wish I hadn't bought the game for the Wii back in May. I should have waited.
It's a new render of old artwork.
@johndevine Where have you seen it before this? To the best of my knowledge, this is the first time it's been shown.
Maybe a digital artist just used that pose because he liked it?
It wouldn't surprise me if they started this soon after wwhd the way they did with mm after oot on 3ds. Maybe they thought they would've released a new entry inbetween ...maybe not. Either way I would welcome some Zelda on Wii U where I can get it
How can anyone tell if it's new or old from such a tiny image?
@MitchVogel Its just TP artwork. I've seen it before. We all have. Do a Google image search. Look at the dates.
Cool I guess. Perhaps my biggest problem is that it would play like the wii version, which I disliked.
I prefer to use a controller. Perhaps if the gamepad could be used.
@johndevine He's not on about the art work in the link,it's the render of Link in the small image that he's saying is new.
While I would like a TP HD as much as anyone else (i.e. A lot), why are we not discussing the New Nintendo Account/Loyalty Program and Smartphone Mii "MiiTomo" that is in that same slides?
Edit: Never mind, I should have sorted it by Oldest First.
@Rockmin I like the site generally. Its just a mistake. I'm pointing it out. I also wouldn't have been able to see the artwork until I opened the page, therefore your point is also invalid.
I hope its true TP is one of my favorite Zeldas an HD version would be awesome .
@johndevine Ah, but if you look closer, you'll see that this one has been updated! Link's holding the master sword in this newer one and there's other minor adjustments.
@MitchVogel well, I hope you're right! I'm sorry if I'm wrong!
Is their no higher resolution version of the image?
@johndevine Not in English, I'm afraid! I pulled this one right off of Nintendo's site, but there's one a little bit bigger in Japanese.
TP is a great game, it would be cool if the rumors are true.
@Will-75 Does your name derive from the amount of times you like to submit your posts? ;P
If this is indeed a thing, I will definitely get it. Of course, that depends on what they all do to the game. TP would definitely benefit from a hero mode.
As long as they have a better "artist" than that one at Sony that used Mega Man's Smash model you could think this might be evidence. Besides the pose that is clearly the TP model.
While I don't like remakes, I have to say this game is the Zelda that could benefit more with a HD remake. I hope it happens, just not so soon.
On a side note, it pleases me to see the Inkling standing next to the likes of Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Animal Crossing, Kirby, Star Fox, and Pikmin in a picture about Nintendo focusing on expanding the use and value of their IP.
Isn't it the same render they used in the new shop displays?
@JohnRaybell Spambot spotted, must unleash the Bonzai Bill of Doom!
Jumping Squid looks like an arrow.
The 'arrow' is pointing at Samus.
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twilight princess is my favourite zelda game of them all (not having played triforce heroes), but im simply not feeling a remake already. no doubt it'd be hype, look beautiful and get TP some of the recognition it deserves, but the phrase "too soon" is apt
@johndevine Get over yourself buddy.
I think it's just a coincidence.
@Morpheel Well for sure not exactly the same, seeing as in the article you posted Link has the Master Sword on his back and not in his hands.
@Monkeh yeah, I noticed that, but besides that the hair and hat seem to be in the same pose.
It's a bit hard to tell though, the picture is tiny.
@Morpheel Here's a larger one from the Japanese slides:
It may be nothing, but I don't know why Nintendo would work to recreate this specific pose from an old Zelda game just for the sake of it. When you consider that there's already been rumors of a remake, I don't think it can just be coincidence.
If this is some indication that Twilight Princess is being remade, I'm pretty excited to see Link being left-handed. I'm more of a fan of the original GameCube game, and I'd rather the game follow its original layout, and not the Wii's mirrored crap.
Samus is in there, so there's a hope for her Too? XD
@allav866 I agree, mostly from the view of Twilight Princess landscape showing how the Hyrule in Ocarina of Time has changed over the years.
I really hated the wolf part of the game. Searching for those buries orbs made me to stop the game after coming back the second or third after beating the game. I wish they did something differently instead that search stupid thing
Not debunking this at allllll, because i really want it to be true, but this Link kind of stands out from the rest in the pic because he more resembles art work than a 3d model, so just imagine the original art work and that wouldnt match here at all. I dont think it is likely that they made a whole new piece of art just for this photo, but just throwing it out there. Im on the HD side, but this could be a possible reason other than an HD remake.
Man I hope they don't change TP too much...
Also would be disappointed if it were download only! I'd probably have to delete most of the stuff off my Wii U (Mario Kart DLC etc) just to download it...
@Jason723 I bought it in July
So. Much. HYPE.
Doing this stuff takes a lot of time. They wouldn't have made a new render just for a random image at a investors meeting.
It'll definitely be for use with a product.
If we are going to play the rumor game... Well all of the Nintendo characters are standing together and all of them are represented by an Amiibo, so
NINTENDO INFINITY confirmed!!!!!
See I can play Jump to Conclusions too!!! However, I would be happy for a Twilight Princess HD re-release. I hate using waggle controls.
Our grasping here is pretty telling as to just how little info we actually got from the presentation. And for the record, TWILIGHT PRINCESS HD CONFIRMED.
I wanna believe...
I would probably get a 3DS remake, but I wouldn't bother with a Wii U one. It's too recent. Unless its the first nintendo account game and it comes out on both? Now THAT would be awesome!
At the time I didn't really like the Wii, so this would be a great opportunity to get to play it. So long as they don't use Wiimotes of course.
One question though, was the original data mine straight from the eShop legitimate? If so, then that's confirmation enough. Why would they put information about a game that doesn't exist on the eShop?
I wouldn't get my hopes up. It looks like the same model they used in Smash Bros. but in the TP pose. It's more likely it's promo art for Smash that wasn't used until now.
@Tsurii I should have specified the promo model they used in the CGI trailers and not the one they used in game. Look at the cover of Smash Wii U and you'll see what I mean.
Y'know, it's probably just a coincidence.
@MitchVogel I agree about that. I think it could be a game coming out before the year ends, retail most probably, hopefully not as expensive as The Wind Waker HD was! The new Zelda game is still officially a Wii U release, but if The Twilight Princess HD comes out now (December?), the rumours about a dual release for the next Zelda look even more possible. The next game I'd love to see remade after this is Super Mario 64 3D.
Interesting. i have the original Gamecube version being delivered tomorrow. Probably will not buy an HD remake since I just spent $60 on the original in excellent condition. Will see how the new 2160p tv scales up 480p output from the Wii.
It's sad but I'd rebuy TP if it looked like the Zelda tech demo and played as well as WWHD. A few sidequests added would be nice too!
This is stretching hard enough to sprain something.
@Gridatttack I think Nintendo would include support for the gamepad. I liked the Wii controls but would really like the option to use the Gamecube controller now we have an adaptor on Wii U.
Would also love to be able to use the Gamecube controller on Wind Waker HD via an update but I don't think that will be happening.
I could see it just being the Wii port maybe. I'd love to play it through with some shine though and maybe the gamepad controls. That would be nice.
@DarthNocturnal Zelda WW wasn't full price. It was sold at 40% less than Mario Kart 8 for example.
@Spoony_Tech LOL!!! i agree my friend!
@Dezzy They do it all the time for marketing.
In your region, maybe. But here, it was full price. Even now on Best Buy, it's $55, and I believe it was $60-$65 at launch.
@MasterWario I'm in the same boat as you. But good for people who haven't played it. This is their chance.
I'd love to get Twilight Princess in HD, but I wish they'd give some non-Zelda games remasters/remakes for a change. This would be the fourth Zelda remake this gen (Wii U and 3DS), and while I love Zelda, I also love Mario, Pikmin, DK, Metroid, and various other Nintendo IPs that rarely, if ever, see real remakes. It would be great to see Mario Sunshine HD, DK64 3D, and/or Metroid Prime Trilogy HD.
How is no one talking about Pikmin 4 as well?
I'm not one to bash Nintendo 24/7... but if at this point in the U life cycle, the big holiday releases are Tennis and a Zelda remake... I'm not happy... both of those games are fine to release, and I am glad Star Fox is being delayed to Spring/Summer... but can't we at least get a Mario 3D World 2 for the holidays? How hard would that be?
This is not the first time we have seen this. When the article about Nintendo uniting the Wii U and 3DS banners in the store was written this same artwork was used.
@MitchVogel well, it certainly looks like the same render, with the sword moved around.
At least a bit.
While I'm looking forward to seeing a HD Twilight Princess, there's an unnerving trend of remakes from Nintendo as of late...
While I'm looking forward to seeing a HD Twilight Princess, there's an unnerving trend of remakes from Nintendo as of late...
@Morpheel Yeah agreed, which is why I said 'not exactly the same', as they do indeed look quite similar. Ah well, we'll just have to wait and see anyway. Not like this being new artwork would actually confirm anything. ^^'
It'll be interesting when / if Nintendo does a direct and this gets announced, I hope the HD title if the rumour is true gets a physical release and the retail price is reasonable. I won't download it as I think it will take a lot of memory.
I would absolutely love this
Please deliver Nintendo..
I'm convinced. I just don't see any other reason to use that link. Zelda franchise is represented by one recently released game, and a well known upcoming release. This Link looks like neither.
Really wish I hadn't just played through it. I'll still probably buy it anyway. My hope is that it has significant game play, presentation, and pacing improvements like Wind Waker did and isn't just a simple HD update.
Would love to see this game happen, and I would buy it at a full retail price.
I don't really want this to happen. If it comes out this year that would be the 4th Zelda remake in just as many years. Also I'm still nowhere near finishing the original TP, and it would bother me if I bought the remake without finishing the original, or if I was still playing the original when the remake came out. I can never win
@MitchVogel How can I look closer when the image is so small that I can't even see Link in it at all?
I can see Donkey Kong, Mario, and Bowser. Everything else is just a smear.
I hope they totally revamp the music instead of copy/pasting. I was really impressed with the Skyward Sword orchestral soundtrack. It was the ONLY thing that game had going for it!
Okay, in a gamexplain discussion video, ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icn9p-huBvM , pause at 24:10) we can see a detailed and up-close version of the new render. We can see he has the same hair and eyebrows, as well as his laced collor and stiched cap, both of which only appear in Twilignt Princess.
Or this could just be assets created during the process of creating Super Smash Bros. for Wii U.....
@Darknyht Nope, if you look at the image in the video I posted, we can see his face is different, and his hat has stitching on the end, so this isn't SSB art.
@MrPuzzlez lol, then you probably never gave Skyward Sword a chance? In my opinion it's by far the best Zelda game. None of the predecessors offered that much gameplay- and storywise. It's the foundation for the whole Legend of Zelda. A orchestral soundtrack for TP would be nice though, but way too expensive.
@wazlon Yeah I also don't see the use for that. Why would you need the GC controller when you have the Wii U Gamepad?
@foobarbaz How can you say that? The Wii version was the same apart from the mirroring. I'd wish they would implement real motion control like in Skyward Sword, but I guess they probably won't do that.
@Dogorilla Ehm, how on earth do you come to this conclujsion? Wind Waker HD is the only Zelda remake on Wii U so far... OoT3D and MM3D don't cound because they were 3DS-only (not everyone has both consoles). Also, both of them weren't HD remakes.
@MitchVogel I wouldn't be too sure about that though, because WW's cel-shading graphics made it a lot easier to transition to HD. With Twilight Princess's more detailed graphics it could take longer.
Anyway, I probably would buy a TP HD remake, but only if they also release an HD remake of SS. Actually, I would even prefer that over TP.
Considering that the Wii U can play the Wii version and upscale it to 1080p this is disappointing because there are GameCube games that should be getting HD remasters like Luigi's Mansion & Mario Sunshine. Especially since it seems like Nintendo is never going to add GameCube games to the Wii U Virtual Console. What a waste rereleasing a game many have already played and can still play on the current system.
@johndevine You used their instead of there in post #23. Your grammar is invalid.
@shani I didn't say it was the fourth remake on Wii U, I was including the 3DS ones. I don't see why they don't count just because they're on 3DS. I mean, there's nothing particularly wrong with this many remakes I suppose, I just think it's taking away from time they could be spending making new games. Oh well, most people seem to want it so I guess there's nothing wrong with it.
Xbox gets the Halo Master Chief collection (multiple high end games in glorious HD) Playstaion 4 gets the Uncharted Nathan Drake collection (multiple high end games in glorious HD) both of these collections will sell for the same price as one retail game. Nintendo might...MIGHT make an HD remake of Twilight Princess and will sell at full price by itself...um yeeeeeeah
@Mrclaycoat: You're comparing apples with oranges. I wouldn't even pay half the price for Halo and Uncharted, those games aren't really that inspired. So you can't compare them to a masterpiece like a major Zelda release. And if I want "glorious HD" I surely won't find it on any of the consoles, you have to get a gaming PC for that.
Besides, I'm pretty sure TP won't cost the full price.
@Dauntless: The reason there are no GC VC games is that the GC hardware was strong enough so that the original material is suited for the HD resolution, like Wind Waker. So making them VC games without a remaster would actually be a waste (upscaling is not the same). And I don't think anyone has played them. I would replay an HD remake.
Luigi's Mansion & Mario Sunshine are okay, but not that spectacular as TP. I would rather prefer remakes of Eternal Darkness, Mario Kart Double Dash, Wave Race: Blue Storm and F-Zero GX.
@Dogorilla Well the thing is, a remake still takes up less ressources and time than a new game. So it's an easy way to expand the library. Also, Zelda's 30th anniversary is coming up and many people probably haven't played the previous titles yet.
What I meant was: As a pure Wii U user, I don't get much out of the 3DS releases and vice versa. So they shouldn't count, because it's a totally different platform.
@shani Windwaker cost full price and this is the company that feels justified charging $4.99 for Urban Champion so over charging for nostalgia is their bread and butter. Also your comments about Halo and Uncharted are opinionated which is fine BUT the point is the fact that Sony is giving their customers 3 very popular games in one collection with beta for the new game for the price of one game. Servicing their fans big time. Microsoft is giving their fans 4 very popular games that like it or not are hugely popular and have had a massive impact on gaming in general for the price of one game, again servicing their fans big time. In fact Microsoft is offering their customers more N64 games plus 20 or so more classic games (many from nintendo consoles of the past) on one disc for $29.99 again a massive service to their fans. nintendo gives us a rumour of one remake that given their history of charging full price on nostalgia will in fact be at the very least $49.99 if not more.
@shani Here's the thing that REALLY spoiled it for me on Skyward Sword, especially during the second playthrough. As a player, with a function brain(at times), I don't want to be told useless information that I already know! Plus, the entire game was nothing more than a glorified scavenger hunt. Seriously? Not my Zelda.
@MrPuzzlez agreed, I was so pumped for skyward sword but the fetch quests killed the game. i couldn't even be bothered to finish it. I'll be perfectly honest so please don't shoot the messenger but I haven't loved a console Zelda game since the N64. I liked windwaker and I liked twilight but they weren't magical.
Looking for too Twilight Princess HD coming out hopefully this year or early next year and physical retail copy would be very good.
@shani Because the Gamecube controller is my favourite Nintendo controller, and I'd like to use the adaptor for more than just Smash Bros since I've paid for it. For me the gamepad is very uncomfortable for longer play sessions and I'll only use it when I have to. I feel similar to Mrclaycoat and MrPuzzlez about Skyward Sword, there's far too many fetch quests and that spoiled it for me.
@Mrclaycoat Here, here. Favorite ZOAT will always be A Link to the Past and it's sequel, A Link Between Worlds; which was a FIERCE breath of fresh air!
@MrPuzzlez agreed 100%. Those two were instant classics for me. Link to the past is my all time favourite as well.
@Mrclaycoat: That's true but Sony and MS are multi-sector companies who don't have to rely on the profits made by their gaming consoles. Nintendo on the other hand (although they're doing fine financially) are more dependent on their consoles and games, so from an economical standpoint it totally makes sense. But I wouldn't call it overcharging for nostalgia. Because on the one hand, all the other companies basically do the same with their remakes (except for those bundles you mentioned) and they even make remakes of very recent games like Last of Us or GTA V and charge the full price (which I'm not complaining about) instead of skipping last-gen and having a more modern foundation (and the reasons is more profits). And in my opinion it's not overcharging if people are willing to pay those prices. And I also doubt that it's nostalgia in the case of TP. I assume most people who would actually buy AND play the remake are people who hadn't the opportunity to play the original (either because of their age or because of not having the console).
But in one way I feel similar to you: The only Zelda games I really loved were OoT and SS. TP had no soul in it, WW had to many annoying elements and MM was just too overwhelming. Still, apart from MM, which I'd like to tackle again one day (probably if they make a home-console remake), I enjoyed all of them. I didn't finish WWHD because of that exhausting part right before the finale and I never really was into top-down Zelda games though.
@MrPuzzlez: Yeah that annoyed me too. But show me one Zelda game which doesn't do that? You always have to click text that you already have read before (SS just had more backtracking). I hope they change it in the new Zelda.
Okaaay... it didn't feel like a scavenger hunt for me. I mean sure, you were chasing Zelda for some time (which isn't unusual for a Zelda game) but then there was this BAM! moment when her role in all of this was revealed (I won't spoil it here in case anyone hasn't played it yet) and after that it wasn't a hunt anymore. That plot twist just blew me away. I never felt like that, not even in OoT (TP's story was pretty lame in my opinion). Also, the identity of that old woman also came unexpected. So at least for me, it was the Zelda game with the best story, the biggest world and the best items/weapons. Also all the stuff you could to with all those insects and plants. And the motion controls were amazing once you got the hang of it. I'll never forget those sword fights with Ghirahim where you actually had to lure and surprise him in the last possible moment for every single hit. Show me one other game which was able to implement such an immersive mechanic. It felt like Ghirahim wasn't fighting Link, but actually fighting the real you.
@wazlon I get that part about it being uncomfortable when playing for a long time, but to me the dpad, sticks and buttons are far more superior to the GC pad. I actually think this is pure nostalgia because the GC pad's design is very inconsequential and a total mess in my opinion. They tried to keep the spirit of the N64 controller while trying to come closer to the design of the Playstation pads. Bad design choice. Nothing lines up, the buttons aren't where they're supposed to be (like that awful Z button), the c-stick is a total screw-up (trying to imitate the c-buttons instead of making a real joystick) and the controller is uncomfortable in comparison to the Wii U Pro Controller. Also, the standard version is wired, which is a no-go for me. It didn't age very well and feels more like a relic to me (and yeah, I did have a GC).
Also, the GC pad doesn't have a touchscreen, which is a big minus. I don't think I could've enjoyed Wind Waker without it, opening up those sea maps repeatedly on the main screen would've been exhausting. And getting attacked by some ship while reading the map would've frustrated me to a point that I wouldn't have continued to play it. Even with the second screen, I still find the whole sea in that game annoying. I'd rather ride Epona.
And if I remember correctly, OoT and TP also had a lot of fetch missions in them, like every RPG (I know Zelda's an Action-Adventure) does and even modern shooters like Far Cry and GTA do.
But just to be clear, I think everyone of us entitled to have their own perception and preferences. I think it's actually a strength of the Zelda franchise that games are so different from another.
<-- I predicted this future 9 years ago.
Much as I would love this to be true, this is yet more barmy and under productive marketing plans for the wii u. I mean, there are a few games due out before the end of the year. Its november now! And considering these games will need to be out before christmas to be in with a chance of attaining sales goals that leaves around a month and a half to bring them out. That does not leave alot of time ti make an impact.
If (and I say if) there will be a Twilight princess remake, it may be more colorful. Looking at the updated artwork it looks more colorful, more like Skyward sword!
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