Remember Devil's Third? An action title from the creator of the more recent Ninja Gaiden games - Tomonobu Itagaki - it was first announced a few years ago for the PS3 and Xbox 360, but when publisher THQ went under the game was left in limbo. Nintendo shocked everyone by picking it up as a Wii U exclusive last year, and the game's 2015 release date has been on the minds of many a Wii U owner - largely because there are hardly any mature action games coming this year to the console.
However, despite a European release date being confirmed for the end of August, Nintendo of America has yet to say when the game will hit the US. According to Unseen64, that's because the NoA has quietly canned the release in that region.
Why would Nintendo do this after picking up the troubled title and giving it a new lease of life, you ask? According to Unseen64, NoA simply isn't happy with the final quality of the product. The site has spoken to various sources within the company and it would seem that an alternative publisher will have to be found if Devil's Third is ever going to see the light of day in America.
It might sound like an outlandish rumour, but Devil's Third was nowhere to be seen at this year's E3, despite being a title which was slated to launch in just a few month's time - and remember how Reggie stated that E3 was all about showing off soon-to-be-released software? Odd that he would leave out one of the Wii U's biggest third-party exclusives, right?
As with all rumours this should be treated with caution, especially until official word is forthcoming. Still, let us know what you think by posting a comment below. If you're interested, we'll be posting our preview of the game based on the final European code soon.
Unseen 64 again? Do we have anybody else?
I've been saying this was most likely the case since E3. The game looks awful. The gameplay looks like an early PS2 game and the graphics not much better. I said NoA had probably dropped it for these reasons in the comments of the Talking Point article on the game two weeks ago.
@MasterGraveheart Unseen64 have been talking to sources at NoA a lot recently, so it's hardly a shock that they have info on this.
Would likely be XSEED bringing it over. It's near the end of the generation, so Nintendo not bringing games over themselves is typical.
If this is true my question is why not put it on the eshop. Sure the quality excuse but might as well at least throw it on there and if one person buys it that would be one more sale than you would of gotten.
I put no stock in Unseen64's rumors - they're no better than NBA sources for their rumors.
@IceClimbers Despite the fact that they've been proven right time and time again, yeah?
@Damo So have the NBA sources. It was a bad case of sarcasm on my part.
The Wii U is one success story after another isn't it?
@BLPs If they're getting that lucky all the time then they need to take me gambling.
@BLPs So them getting insider information, digging up unseen assets and building up a network of trusted sources is just a bit of good luck, right?
The reason Unseen64 is such a respected site and gets so much linkage is because unlike many other sites on the web, they only post stuff they have faith in. Like I said, the site has been proven right time and time again, and luck has absolutely nothing to do with it.
This is rather disturbing. In fact, I have been quite looking forward to play the game since last e3... surely Nintendo wouldn't release a broken game, right? Time will tell, but I was not expecting the guys at Unseen64 to jump on this... they are usually very reliable and I still can't shake the uneasy feeling of the game not showing up at all at e3... yep, even if I live in Euroland, I'm worried now.
And the decline since E3 continues.
@BLPs The source in this particular case I would imagine doesn't want to be named because it would cost him/her his/her job. My point is that Unseen64 has been vindicated many times in the past, so with such a good track record there's less room for doubt.
Maybe that's the reason it didn't show up at E3. But if its the framerate, graphics, and fun factor. Delay it to NX. Help these guys out Nintendo. My goodness.
This was my most anticipated game of this year
Well if it is true I'll import but a game this quirky deserves a release and the WiiU needs interesting, non Nintendo produced games.
@BLPs Seriously? They can't name their source because they still work at NoA. Not only would the source get in some seriously trouble and probably fired, but it would also be the last time anyone would ever tell Unseen64 any insider info. What insiders do you know that actually name their sources?
Okay...let's just remember that it is only a rumor. I know these guys have been right in the past, but they might be wrong...with that said, this doesn't look too good, and the fact that the game wasn't shown at E3 doesn't help much.
@Ryu_Niiyama You do realize that the Wii U is region locked, right?
Tattoo McGee smash character dlc confirmed?
Whereas Bayonetta 2 had a strong pedigree, a top notch production value, a quirky sense of humour and a deeply Japanese feel to it that seemed to fit Nintendo, Devil's 3rd seems to lack any of that. I'm not saying people aren't looking forward to it and won't enjoy it, it looks like exactly what it is: a Japanese game masquerading as an American Xbox 360/PS3 shooter that was going to be an also ran. My only assumption is after the money Ninty has invested, they'd be throwing good money after bad by print running the game in the US. Maybe they expect duff reviews? Maybe it has to do with selling it in the Sept-Dec period and knowing it'll get lost in the flood? They seem less fussed about releasing games in Europe during the Summer. Either that or there's something in the game that will cause it aggro with the ESRB.
@dadajo You forget Nintendo would have to maintain the servers for multiplayer.
Comparing this to 'Disaster Day of Crisis' just piques my interest a little bit more. Cult classic IMO. The U.S. seriously missed out on that one.
If, like 'Disaster', NoA are refusing to release it because of cosmetic factors like voice acting and visuals, then they're denying fans a chance to play a potentially semi-decent game. If it's unplayable then fair enough. I'll likely honour my preorder, unless of course it's unplayable to a Superman 64-type level
How long before we get the "Fatal Frame 5 canceled in NA" article
Wait....if Nintendo is co developing this game.....then how is it that NoA gets to decide this game to not come to the west since they are suppose to localize nearly every game made by Nintendo to be localized in the west?
They may have a choice whether this game can be in the west or not like lost levels but then in that case, Fire Emblem wouldn't have seen in the west if NoA didn't see anything out of it?
Please, not here.-Morpheel
@hcfwesker Unlikely as it was showcased at E3 by the Treehouse team
Yeah I'm sure Fatal Frame is gonna be cancelled too.
Annnnnnnd the rumors continue to land, don't they?!
Sigh... and my brother was looking forward to play this game... I hope the rumors aren't true... for Nintendo's sake.
I really liked Disaster Day Of Crisis. It was great.
The idea of dealing with natural disasters and helping people was new and different. A slight shame about the terrorist plot shoehorned into it though.
It was primarily held back by the hardware it was running on. The Wii couldn't really handle giant natural disasters in as engaging and enthrawlling way as the game deserved.
They did their best and I think they did well. If we got a sequel to Disaster on either the Wii U or even better, the NX, with the added power, they could really do that game idea justice.
Seriously NOA you need more Wii U games for this years line up god dammit, STOP BEING STUPID!!!!!! Software drives hardware sales and since there is very little for adult gamer's to enjoy on the system, what reason would they have to pick up a Wii U this year?
I know this may sound like winging to some but different gamer's enjoy different games and there is no shame in having a little varity in one's gaming line up. For example
Mature themed Shooters FPS/TPS
Tactical Co-op Shooters
2D Beat Em Ups
Hack & Slash
Choosies (Games like Heavy Rain & Crane Knee)
Mini Game Collections/Party Games
and the the list can go on, but the point is that Nintendo as a whole (but NOA moreso) is exculding a large market of gamer's that could have bought their systems and they could have innovated in those genres as well. It seem pointless to not support these games in the markets that they would sell the most in to be honest.
@BLPs That's what I don't understand. Why would people purposely leak important information from their workplace?
It seems sort of like an act of betrayal.
i had a feeling something was possibly up
@WindFish What makes you come to that conclusion? Are NoA cancelling games left, right and centre to piss off real Nintendo fans? Do you think it's some sort of revenge tactic on fans who were vocal about Metroid Prime Federation Force? Do you think they'll replace Fatal Frame 4 with Fatal Frame: Genki Amiibo Hidden Object Party?
This remains a rumour. But if it is true, there's no smoke without fire. They wouldn't cancel a game without what they feel is a legitimate reason
Ouch. I thought it was sad when third parties stopped supporting the Wii U. Now Nintendo is doing the same thing. I hope they bring out their games on other consoles instead of disappearing completely.
@WindFish Watch the language T_T.
It's kinda sad, but honestly, the game looked pretty rough the last time we saw it. It may just be a safe financial decision for Nintendo to wipe their hands clean of it.
@Aromaiden Usually people leak stuff when they're disgruntled in their job. And from what Unseen 64 have been leaking over the last few weeks, there seems to be a bit of a pattern emerging. A subtext.
@ottospooky In my opinion, that seems like a terrible thing to do. :/
Yeah, this looks like a horrible game. Too bad.
Another case of Nintendo, NoA in particular in this case, telling its fans what is best for them.
I was mildly interested in this. If true, that bites. But if the game isn't that great then I guess that's ok.
If the constant facepalming that I do whenever I log on to this site doesn't stop soon I am going to have brain damage.
@Aromaiden I don't disagree at all. It is like betrayal. But... It sort of feels like NoA isn't a great place to work at the moment. I can't help but feel there are real differences in opinion within NOJ and NOA about the future direction of Nintendo.
It's so weird that Nintendo won't put any effort in Mature titles like this and Project HAMMER. Though they will invest in Blast Ball, which is just as clunky as it looks. This is why people see Nintendo is having issues with surviving in the current game market.
@ottospooky Obviously it's Reggie leaking stuff because he's still salty over losing to Hungrybox
That'd be Nintendo all over.
But, eh, rumours.
@IceClimbers If he won he was probably gonna announce Mother 3 Remastered, but because he lost he was like "yeah, Mother 3 is cancelled, thank you, not my problem!"
@whodatninja No johns, Reggie, no johns!
This game looks so bad that I believe they might be making the right choice. This piece of crap could harm the brand even more than E3 did... oh my... my Wii U is about to collect some serious dust in the upcoming months.
Wow this is really disappointing. Yea it doesn't look to sexy but it looks really fun. Especially the online gameplay. Really hope this is BS.
Seriously Nintendo what the heck is wrong with you? Do you WANT to alienate your biggest market because you are getting pretty damn close to it. I will sign a petition to get this game stateside and buy it even if it sucks just to show you how crappy your decisions are in general Nintendo.
This would not surprise me at all, especially with its lack of presence at E3. Nintendo is not going to put out a mature rated game unless it is out of this world crazy good (e.g. Bayonetta 2). Now, it could pull a Fast Racing Neo and one day post a few screenshots on the web and say "Progress is going great!" - or it could continue with the radio silence until we've forgotten about it. I didn't care for the game from what I had seen so far, but a cancellation would disappoint a lot of people.
Maybe it gets delayed until it can be a launch title for NX?
Its a shame. Nintendo publishes an adult game but it does not look like it'll be any good, let alone sale.
Then again, Bayonetta 2 was a fantastic adult game and even bundled the first game and all sorts of freebies....and only really did okay. T.T
@ThomasBW84 I know xD Just, it really wouldn't surprise after the countless disappointments we get, here. I only need 2 games on my Wii U this year, FF5 & Zero Mission
Remember guys, NoA is the superior Nintendo (well, leaving out Japan). Everything is better for us.
What part of "The game was visually lackluster and wasn't fun to play" is majority of the complainers not getting? In a week when the reviews are out and the game is confirmed to be bad i bet ya'll will still complain.
I really wanted Devil's Third amiibo!
@garthvader To be completely fair, they're in a damned if they do, damned if they don't situation there. The game is apparently really bad, so they'd have come under fire for it anyway.
Fatal Frame better come to the U.S. nintendo, don't think about scrapping it!
@Damo being in the USA I have had lingering doubts myself, but track record is always key, you will win some and loose some but they seem to always get more right than wrong...
Random question there was a tweet from him sort of back tracking the nx power rumor...said something about I was wrong, sorry...was that real? Anyone know? I have not been able to research that
Lol if it aint good enough for the US, this European aint buying it either.
Oh THATS why they arent pushing it...
Nintendo of America once again dictating what fans want and do not want.
They cannot continue to resent their fanbase like Sega (specifically Bernie) used to do.
@ecco6t9 I don't see it that way. In reality it seems more like they're deciding not to release an other wise bad and unpolished game. There would be no reason not to release it if was perfectly polished game, but in this case it's not a polished and good game, so it would be in the best interest of everyone that it's not released.
Is it just me, or is seeing the spelling 'rumour' next to 'North America' a bit weird?
That's the only comment I have about the entire article... this might be an unpopular opinion, but I'm not a big fan of most "mature" games. Too much swearing, realism and blood for my tastes.
Never really cared for Devil's Third. Seemed like a project that had a lot of promise, but turned out to be a real turd.
Funny how Nintendo deems it unfit for North American players, yet unloads the turd on the European/Japanese gamers. :/
Alright, this guy has babbled long enough. They gave him so much attention lately that he's now the listen-to-this individual who has nothing to make a buzz about. To make it short: Stop giving this guy the attention!
What makes me mad is they should just give people the option of buying it themselves. People buy terrible AC games and sub par games on PS4/PS3 and they make money. Well maybe the game s not up to Nintendo standards but it may fill a gap for some people and they should give them the option to decide to buy it or not. Not every Nintendo game HAS to be 8.0+ They need mature titles, this is mature with multiplayer...
@MikeW I think it's because the decision of whether or not those games are released in those areas are made by different people.
@NintendoFan64 ...yeah. Well aware of that. Which would be why I have two wiius and 3 3ds systems. That's why I said I'd import...what is your point?
@Ryu_Niiyama I didn't know you had two Wii Us and 3 3DSs.
I was looking forward to this game since last year Wii U has been putting a hurt on me all year now, the last game I bought was Smash. Xenoblade I'm going to buy but I think it's to long of a game that I'll never finish.
I bet NOA just doesn't want to publish the game because it would hurt their "Kiddie" image. Though then again, they did publish that Ninja Gaiden game several years back. Either way, I doubt some other publisher will publish this game in the States. Can you picture Activision or Ubisoft or whatever publishing this for such a small audience?
I didn't really pay attention to the game at last E3. And what little I saw made me write it off as another gritty shooter. That doesn't mean it's not fun, but that's a way to get your game lost in the crowd.
But what game ISN'T complete without "chunky salsa", semi-real to life physics, and characters taking a oath every other sentence?
Nah I kid. Most people who play Mortal Kombat would probably stop if they got rid of Fatalities. Even if the fighting itself was good. And a lot of games would be just as fun with a T rating, as opposed to M.
I would be very dissapointed. What about that treasure game? Why Nintendo would you do this? i am going to resort to importing.
@ColdingLight I doubt it. If that was the case, then a game like Bayonetta 2 would never have been let by either. A lot of people were already saying before this, that the game looked terrible. So it would be more reasonable that that's the reason its not being brought over here.
Nintendo Enthusiast reported on this during E3. Apparently the game's being promoted by Gamestop so I don't think it's completely missing the North American market, but NoA definitely doesn't appear to be its publisher.
Not sure how I feel about this.... I wasn't planning on getting this, and it does look truly awful, so in a way its nice that NoA is doin' a little quality control (too late for those who suffered through The Letter, but I digress...). But it is a disappointing that a game that actually had people excited, and an exclusive at that, will end up being swept under the rug, or possibly be released by another publisher to terrible reviews and just up being an embarassment. Nintendo needs get something right soon...
Hence the radio silence during this E3. Wow.
Least shocking thing I've heard all year.
Still, coward's way out to not publish the game. Especially when it's still coming to Japan and Europe.
I'm shocked that Nintendo are still bringing Fatal Frame V to the west. It didn't do well in Japan from what I understand and apart from a single short session showing it off during E3, Nintendo don't seem to be promoting it much at all.
This is hardly a surprise. Nintendo is notoriously bad at promoting mature rated games. Now it seems they've given up on publishing it altogether.
Nintendo sure knows how to make everyone, even their most devoted fans, mad at them. Reggie's asinine comments about VR, Nintendo's increasingly sketchy DLC/amiibo practices, their pitiful E3 showing, the Wii U's atrocious support, rumors of the NX being yet another gimmicky console, the whole YouTube Creators Program nonsense, this game's cancellation... taken alone, these things might not have been so bad. But when theyre all together like that in quick succession, it seems people (including myself) are finally seeing this company for who they really are.
How many stories like this need to come out until people realize that Nintendo has only themselves to blame for their current state? This is a 3rd party title Nintendo actually went out and picked up! And they STILL are being difficult! Absolutely amazing. I've been a Nintendo fan since I was 6 playing my NES, but 2015 has all but turned me off to their ways. Iwata and Co. have absolutely tarnished the brand. Sure, Wii was a smashing success, but at what cost? Look at them now, the laughing stock of the industry. If this were cellphones, Nintendo is BlackBerry any more.
It's good enough for Europe I guess.
@FlaygletheBagel man, I just went on a huge rant seconds after you posted and you just summed up exactly how I feel.
Nintendo is a joke anymore, and I cannot believe ANYONE can remotely defend their ways after the last few years.
That is bad information all around. Development is the largest investment. This is a western market product. The voice work is in English. NoA would not lose the cost of development by not shipping it in the market it was made for. It just doesn't make financial sense. If NoA is worried about their family image on the other hand I could see Reggie lining up a 3rd party to publish it, but letting a 3rd party take the largest part of the sales pie when Nintendo fronted development capital, and a large amount at that, makes no sense at all. I am sure Nintendo isn't keen on people leaking news and at this point is feeding bad information to discredit the rumor mill.
This is very questionable in both ways. As a rumour, it sounds a bit unlikely, even though NoA has a track record of not asking consumers what they want. But as a possible design decision, it sounds downright suicidal. Quietly canceling a game because NoA didn't feel like putting some faith in this collaborative project is only gonna hurt the overall image of the company in its entirety.
@ReallyFeelingIt Problem is, that's NoA judging the game. The same guys who thought nobody would care for Xenoblade, Pandora's Tower, and The Last Story, or not releasing the regular-sized N3DS in their region. I'm not putting much weight in their judging. They do stuff without taking reactions into consideration, and it's getting really unreasonable by now. Also, they have that nasty tendency to withhold info as long as possible, and then just shrug off a lot of criticism to undermine the problem.
@Ryno Isn't it a bit early to be judging NoA, in this particular case? This is just a rumour so far, so we don't exactly know anything yet.
@xPH03N1Xx86 did you even read the article? Unseen64 is reporting this, which essentially makes it like 90% accurate based on their past rumors.
@FlaygletheBagel What exactly are they?
Going all wikiLeaks up here today. I wonder what other secrets they have.
After the whole E3 business and what they said about showing off games that's coming soon, that rumor is sounding more believable.
Well I can tell you one thing I'm almost sure about, JP and EU gamers will have the upper hand with level and experience when battling people in NA. Even though I want to play it myself (I brought and played worse), I'm not going to stress myself since there is still other games to play now and later.
Side thought: I wonder what other games would of got the approval cut (allegedly). I'm thinking Metroid: Other M was on the cutting table. Fyi it's still one of my top Metroid games.
Can Unseen64 release some good news? Like... iono. Nintendo has finally rejoined forces with Square Enix to make a true sequel of Super Mario RPG? Yeah. That'd be nice.
Damned if you do damned if you don't situation it seems. They publish and release it, the haters would have a field day if it becomes one of very few retail Wii U games to get a very average score on Metacritic, and if they don't, well, see several comments above, Nintendo are apparently dead and buried already because they don't publish a bad game, allow greedy Youtubers to use their products for easy money, a disappointing E3 and for making figurines. Best thing is it's still coming out next month in Europe so we'll see how good it is then, probably pick this up in the bargain bin with the few other 3rd party games I've got on Wii U if it isn't all that bad (because Disaster Day of Crisis was good IMO if this situation is similar to that).
Well NoA you're doing one hell of a jobb keeping wii u hopes high 'sarcasm'
I just checked the NOA website and it's still up but showing the old temp cover. Wanna know what's crazy though? Under the info there's a "games you may like" section and Nintendo listed "the letter". DAMN! That's cold blooded NOA!
"Hey, we're not publishing Devil's Third because it's a bad game. However, please enjoy Sonic Boom!"
So... I've got Zelda in 2016 to look forward to aaaaand... what else in between?
@Quorthon Looks like Nintendo isn't the only one under fire - there's a movement called "#BetterPSN", which came about because people are sick of Sony's BS with PSN being really unstable.
@Gen0neD That's if it even does come out in 2016 or for the Wii U. There is Xenoblade Chronicles X, Fatal Frame V, Mario Maker, Yoshi's Woolly World (if you haven't gotten it), and Star Fox Zero.
Edit: There may be more, but that's all I can think of at the moment.
Better confirm this first in NOA before spreading rumors. At this point, I won't even pass the salt for this one.
@IceClimbers da heck? Sony fans criticising Sony? Someone get that 'Homer parading armageddon' GIF stat!
@ottospooky it has future cult classic written all over it.
Im more intrigued than ever about this game. I genuinely think it looks good, it just seems like a lot of bandwagon bs
Lol: Keep Miyamoto and co on the wheel! Everything will be fiiinnneee!!
"largely because there are hardly any mature action games coming this year to the console"
Correction - "mature RATED action games"
There are plenty of mature action games, just few M-rated ones (and in my opinion M-rated and "mature" are typically opposites, most M-rated content is rather juvenile in my opinion).
So the people that know what the final product is like and are in charge of spending money to promote and release it decide it's not worth bringing to NA, yet a bunch of people with none of that firsthand info are criticizing that decision? Yeah release the crappy game and lose money because we'll whine if you don't.
Sad. I was looking forward to this one... Surprised to see so much bashing in the comments. I think this game looks great. Regardless, this was supposed to be a big release and now out of nowhere it's conspicuously absent due to vague "quality concerns." Why is it still being released in Europe and Japan despite these concerns? Why withhold it from only one of the three major regions but not the others? Why not cancel it altogether if it's not up to their standards? This rumor smells fishy.
It always looked like garbage to me. If the rumor is true, I won't miss this game in the slightest. Despite the WiiU having a small library of games, I still prefer quality over quantity. If Fatal Frame isn't released here however, I'm going to start a dumpster fire and throw a plush Mario in it.
This line's a bit overused but whatever: and nothing of value was lost.
Itagaki's a schmuck and this game has never looked like anything but complete trash. We're not going to miss out on anything with this being canned and it would probably sell poorly anyway so good for Nintendo for not publishing this diaper stain of a game.
@DiscoGentleman Because people want it. They should at least give them that option to buy it. And as for me if the game releases i'll buy it day one. And Nintendo of Europe and Japan is getting it. Why shouldn't we? Cause their delicate?
@TwilightAngel It's still just a rumor so we can't be for certain yet until NoA announces it themselves.
@Toadthefox well put, seriously NOA will really get a bad reputation if they don't put any effort into this game.
Let's wait for some announcements and reviews before we judge.
I want this game too, but I ain't gonna drop salt bombs over a rumor.
@Aromaiden You're right. You know what? I'm acting corny. I'm just extremely displeased with the whole WiiU situation and I'm being childish and pissy. There are some good games coming. (Yoshi is not my style) Honestly, I just want them to do well (whilst quieting haters at the same time) and I'm just seeing a lot of questionable business decisions concerning the WiiU. I guess that was me just being fed up and passive aggressively venting.
Didn't want to play this game anyway so I'm not that disappointed but it's still shitty to change gears like this.
If true, another lost game from Nintendo. I'm moving on in the Fall/Winter away from Nintendo anyway. If they don't care about the console, why should I?
@DiscoGentleman I don't know if I'd be as much of a gamer as I am today if it weren't for that game.
It needs to happen.
@gatorboi352 Agreed. It's like watching a train wreck.
I sold my Wii U for an Xbox One after the poor E3 conference. Not solely because of that conference, but because of a long string of stupid decisions and numerous instances of proving they don't give a s**t. The conference was just the last straw for me as a Nintendo fan. They're in last place and are in no position to act prideful and arrogant - yet that's the vibe I got from their entire E3 conference, and their subsequent PR flubs courtesy of Reggie.
At this point I don't really care what the NX launch lineup is. I'm not investing in another console from them until they show they actually care about supporting it.
6/10 confirmed (4/10 for gamespot)
@Aromaiden A backwards, out-of-touch company that's a shell of the greatness it used to be.
Lets us see how this games sells in NoE & in Japan first.
Kinda depressing if the game is really not that good...then the game will most likely not get brought here by any publisher.
@FlaygletheBagel Well okay then. The way you were originally speaking made it sound like they were some sort of evil thing, but I can understand this view on it.
Although I will say they are making progress.
@Haiassai The lack of good news is primarily Nintendo's responsibility - Unseen 64 is just reporting on what they believe to be accurate. Believe me, I wish we could hear some good news from Nintendo too, but that seems like a lot to ask these days.
@SuperMalleo Because he's a corporate stiff and has no idea how to communicate to a fanbase.
Say what you will about anyone at MS and Sony, but at least Shuhei Yoshida, Phil Spencer, and their other speakers on staff know how to communicate with their audience. Reggie talks as if he's far removed, out of touch with reality, and completely dismissive of other people's work (see his VR comment). It's blatantly indicative of what the company is like as a whole.
@FlaygletheBagel Wasn't there an issue a few years back where a person from Microsoft directly insulted their fanbase? I believe it was at a MS E3 or something like that..
@FlaygletheBagel "A backwards, out-of-touch company that's a shell of the greatness it used to be"
That honestly applies to all 3 of the platform holders in my book, as well as many of the 3rd party companies. In fact, that applies to the industry as a whole these days.
Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo will ALL need to come out positively swinging next generation before I invest in a 9th gen console - all 3 of them have burned me hard this generation. Nintendo for obvious reasons, Microsoft for the whole reveal of the system (**** them after that), and Sony for being all smokes and mirrors - empty promises, on top of an extremely unstable, primitive network.
@IceClimbers Right now being a major gaming company must be really difficult, huh? I feel kind of bad for them, having to constantly worry and change, appease their fan base while expanding, and so many other things. It's something that we as consumers can't easily understand (look at Reggie, he's already partially balding probably because of stress, as that's common in business). The life of business
@NintendoFan64 I just saw your avatar. It's amazing! I love it!
Wait... Ok, that avatar is awesome! Needed some positivity
Pretty disappointing, if it turns out to be true. I've been looking forward to this game, primarily the online aspects. Without U.S players it's going to be a nightmare finding matches, I imagine. That's assuming the game is even good enough to bother trying to find matches, which, in itself, is consistently requiring an ever greater leap of faith.
@NintendoFan64 You made two people happy today. You should be proud!
@NintendoFan64 O.O Oh my gosh.....it is beautiful!
Make that three people my good sir.
@IceClimbers To entirely dismiss Microsoft for an entire generation because of a crappy console reveal seems shortsighted. Did you not buy a PS3 last gen? Because that had a horrendous reveal too, but Sony clearly made up for it over time.
Phil Spencer has done an admirable job trying to turn the Xbox's fortunes around. There's more work that needs to be done, but out of MS, Sony, and Nintendo, I have the most faith in MS in terms of consumer-friendliness and a steady mix of games and exclusives this gen.
Sony meanwhile has sold over 20 million consoles almost on hype alone, which is impressive in its own right, but you're right. Smoke and mirrors is a fairly good way to describe the way it's been rolling so far. Most of their great exclusives are far away. But at least they've got solid third party support and the best indies of any of the consoles to fill in the gaps.
But to compare either of these companies to Nintendo is a joke. Nintendo has shown the most disregard for fan feedback, the least initiative to repair their image, the least drive to support their own hardware with games, the most hostility towards other people's work, and there's no indication of them getting better anytime soon.
Sure the Big 3 all have their problems, but if you're really as frustrated with every company as much as you are about Nintendo, maybe you're just leaning away from console gaming in general.
@FlaygletheBagel I'm with you, Nintendo clearly could care less what the fans want. I hated the Xbox One from it's E3 unveiling, but after this year's E3, I'm 70% convinced into buying one! PS4 I've had since launch, and yes, the promise of exclusives is getting annoying seeing as we're not getting too many until next year.. But oh well. I picked up a PS4 mainly for the 3rd party stuff that Wii U clearly wasn't going to get. It just so happens that Sony has killer exclusives too.
@Peach64 Sure didn't stop Nintendo from making Animal Crossing Amiibo Fest and Metroid Prime Federation. This excuse is so weak now. Many people still want this game and it will be a middle finger to us if they don't release it here.
@TwilightAngel I will admit, his avatar made me chuckle. Made me think what I could say if I were to comment on his avatar in the "COTAAY" thread. XD
(Looks at Wii U preorders) Yoshi, Legend of Kay, and Rodea. Hmm. Not exactly a full dance card, is it.
@VeeFlamesNL -_- I can only imagine what you would say.
@DiscoGentleman They probably would have bought the game. These are hardcore fans, the ones who likely got stuff like The Wonderful 101. Nintendo's issue is likely more with their less enfranchised customers.
Either way, sad news. I'm not a shooter fan but was still interested in giving this a try.
NoA has become freaking pathetic in recent years. I never look for anybody to lose their job, so Reggie can stay on in some capacity for the company but leadership needs to be taken away. People here had to beg for Xenoblade Chronicles, The Last Story and Pandora's Tower as well, when the Wii had literally NOTHING else left to offer either. One thing I'll give both Sony and MS, even if I don't necessarily agree with how much support the PS3 and 360 have gotten since the new consoles have been out at least they didn't totally abandon those userbases. Dumba$$ Nintendo of America quit on the Wii a year before the Wii U was on the market and seems to be quitting on Wii U before anything is even officially announced. This better be a rumor that turns out to be totally false, started by some clown who's just looking for clickbait on social media.
@Aromaiden Er.... what now? Am I missing something?
@VeeFlamesNL No. Sorry, I was just trying to mess around. My bad.
@Aromaiden Oh. OK... sorry, then.
Gee. Lots of mixed feelings here, some of which are slated as 'fact' when this is just a rumor. As I said before, I just hope this rumor is false... for Nintendo's sake.
@VeeFlamesNL Nonetheless I do agree. Sometimes I wonder if it's necessary for them to make an article on all the rumors. They usually don't have good results in the comments and people tend to take them to seriously.
@FlaygletheBagel Perhaps. Yeah, you're right that's it's a bit shortsighted to dismiss Microsoft off of the reveal. That I suppose was a heat-of-the-moment rant. I think I'm just getting burnt out entirely on gaming. Might need to take a break from it as a whole. Will be easier once the NBA season starts. In the mean time, I'll probably just play some Splatoon - need to get caught up to the level cap
Nintendo refuses to make nothing but games for kids.
I am pretty sure someone said this before, but my take on this is that before we outrage too much we should wait for the reviews for Devil's Third before saying that it should really have come to America or not ;^^. Still as it is just a rumor for now we just have to wait and see if Nintendo confirms that they have no plans of releasing Devil's Third in America, as NOA might change their minds if Devil's Third gets good scores in Europe .
Personally I have no interested in Devil's Third due to I am not a fan of realistic violence and prefers less visible violence ;^^. Still I hope Devil's Third turn out to be good both for us, Nintendo and the developers of Devil's Third .
(English is my second language).
Meh. I doubt this would sell well.
I don't think that not backing a game they think is crap is the equivalent of resenting their fan base. That's just smart business decisions. Would you get mad had NoA decided to not back Sonic Boom due to lack in quality? Or would you get in an uproar and say they are resenting their fan base?
I don't know if the game is bad- I certainly hope not because I was excited to play it. But IF a this is true, there's going to be a reason for it. Either the game is crap and is going to get garbage reviews or nobody's going to buy it and they're sick of wasting money on games nobody buys.
Either way it wouldn't be a case of not releasing a game out of resentment. It would be a case of not releasing a game because it's a smart business decision.
"Nintendo refuses to make anything but games for kids"
It's a childish mentality to think that just because something is rated M it's for adults and just because something is rated E its for kids.
Nintendo's greatest achievement has been making games that are for everyone, not JUST kids, not JUST adults. Hence why over 85% of the fanbase is adults on Wii U, and a good majority are under age on 3DS. The games appeal to everyone, because they are for everyone.
You can't get mad and just dictate to Nintendo to make a type of game they don't specialize in. Certain types of games they do very well and certain types of games aren't their strong point. You wouldn't see Atlus making a FPS, because that's not what they specialize in. M rated western megabudget titles are not what Nintendo specializes in. But they do make a wide variety of games- cart racers, 2D platformers, 3D platformers, horror, JRPG, open-world, shooters, SRPG, mini-games, action games, puzzle games, resource management strategy, on rails shooters, sports games, etc etc etc.
And most of their games transcend age.
@FlaygletheBagel Oh I know...
...I know ;-;
Wow, look at all the crybaby's whining about a game they would have thought mediocre at best. Why don't people appreciate what's good about nintendo and its' Wii U. Lots of quality games. I'm so busy with Splatoon right now, that I can't even play other games. Do people that whine actually play games or just collect them? Whimps!!!
Nintendo NA is on freaking crack I'm telling you. The decisions that they have made are completely stupid and foolish.
1. No regular New 3DS because they'll confuse the market. WTF?!
2. Yoshi Wholly world will only be reaching NA 4 MONTHS after EU. WTF?!
3. During E3 they showed a women talking about knitting but omit Fatal Frame. WTF?!
4. NO DEVIL 3RD CUZ UM WE DUN LIKE IT. WTF?!
Seriously as much as I like Reggie as a person, his leadership skills are completely out of whack. Even if these aren't his idea, he is in the position of power to modify and at least influence it.
To pour salt on the wound, thanks to freaking region lock all these titles can't be played even if we wanted to import it!
@Hy8ogen You skipped number 3.
@Aromaiden Fixed. Got too mad man. Just too mad. I've been waiting to see thongs on my Wii U and now I'll just have to stare at the mirror.
@Hy8ogen It's okay. Just realize that game's are meant to be fun and entertaining, they're not something to stress over.
Game looks bad anyway. Nintendo can't be very proud of the game or they would have shown it at e3
@AVahne Yeah, gonna hafta peg Xseed to step in and be awesome again. Really, though, they're at if not THE top localization house this side of the Atlantic.
RIP Fatal Frame 5
@Grumblevolcano I don't think we should jump to any conclusions at this point.
I love Europe
I'm getting raspberry notes, broken dreams, and distinct undertones of Xenoblade Chronicles.
This is going to flop anyway but NoA is in no position to be picky about what they release with the current lineup the way it is. If it weren't for 3rd parties, I'd have nothing to play on my 3DS until Fates... in 2016. How many Wii U owners had this as one of the few games they're looking forward to until Zelda in 2016? Quality control my arse. If it's good enough for Europe and Japan, it's good enough for us.
@Hy8ogen Aww, you shouldn't have fixed it. The missing 3 = no Mother 3
@Tsurii Read the news post again. It does not say that the game won't ever come out in NA, just that NoA isn't publishing it.
@Grumblevolcano No need to be throwing out things like that. Someone may actually believe that and be very disappointed for the next few months!
Of its a quality issue why is NoJ and NoE publishing it? I suspect it's due to the"America lost, terrorists won" multiplayer
One more questionable release-decision of NoA. In recent years, NoE is really doing better. Way better.
In Europe it can already been pre-ordered, and has received an age rating. With the release being only 6 weeks away, I hope NoE won't change their minds either.
This is pathetic. The Wii U is suffering a terrible drought of games especially mature action games. The gameplay videos look fast and fun so even if it's not a great game there's only a certain level of bad it can be, and there are much worse games on Wii U already. Here they have a unique exclusive made by a big name and are deciding to ignore it. Absurd decision honestly.
Wow. Quite the little storm we have going on here. Everyone here seems to be in one of 2 camps: The "I didn't want this "Mature" game anyways" camp that is mostly made up of people whose parents won't let them play a game like this or people who dislike "M" rated games to feel superior to those who do, not because they actually dislike them, and the "This game looked neat" camp made up of people who just really wanted a multiplayer shooter on Wii U for whatever reason. I'll be frank with you: the only reason I was interested in this game was because it was the type of thing I don't usually see on Nintendo platforms, so I was curious to see how it would go. It actually looked a little cool, but I can't say I'm super sad that I won't be playing it. And I don't think that this means that Devil's Third is bad, either, as NOA isn't known for quite understanding what we want. Remember that time they didn't give us the 3 best JRPGs on Wii and we had to sign our first-born children into slavery in China to get them even after NOE already made English versions? That was realllllllll smart of you Nintendo. I just hope that their decision is for the best.
Or maybe the game is straight ballin and they bring over the European version so we can kill terrorists on a Nintendo console. Whupee.
also if none of this made sense keep in mind im writing this at 4 in the morning so have some gosh darn respect maybe pls and thank you
While it is unfortunate if true that NoA has lost faith in this game all hope is not lost. Firstly NoA has a more independent remit when it comes to games published compared to NoE which NoJ has on a tighter leash. So unless it's cancelled completely then it should at least see a Japanese and (maybe) European/PAL territory release. And a publisher like XSEED games could publish it in yankeeland if there's enough demand. So to all the disgruntled american wii U owners my advice is to brace for the worst but remain calm. If it gets good reviews and positive word of mouth start a petition or multiple petitions and get organised and get vocal to let publishers know that there is money to be made. NoA is really risk averse when it comes to localising games for some reason. But if it does eventually get localised like Xenoblade Chronicles did on the wii then snap up a copy poste haste as the print run will likely be very limited. Play the game and then wait and watch as it's value due to being rare goes up.
I smell GameStop exclusive and $100 price point, anyway if it is as bad as the rumour suggest I wouldn't even buy it.
@FLUX_CAPACITOR Yes, I can read. Which is why a) because this rumor comes from Unseen 64, which is a very reliable source, there's little reason to doubt its truth, and b) I agree with canceling a game altogether if it's not looking good, but it's the part about ditching the game in just North America that makes no sense. If the quality is so bad, and development is less than fruitful, why not just cancel it altogether? Why even release it in Europe and Japan? Are those regions more deserving and accepting of a turd of a game? Don't you think, if you're releasing the game in every other territory, you could at least try to make some of your money back by letting it come to all of them?
Maybe you're right though - Nintendo's reputation hasn't been faring very well here in the US (though again, I don't see how Europe thinks any better of them), so a s**t game from them would be another nail in their proverbial coffin. But still, I feel bad for the devs of any M-rated game Nintendo decides to publish (Bayonetta included). Nintendo will stand by it up until the very last second, then abandon it altogether.
@Aromaiden Link? I'm not personally familiar with that instance, but I wouldn't doubt it if you shared a story about it.
Fortunately the Xbox division is under much stronger leadership now. If only Nintendo could get an overhaul like that.
Why do people put so much stock in Unseen64? How do we know any of the rumors he posts are genuine? Its like people who adopt game theory stuff as fact.
@FlaygletheBagel if only, eh? I would love Nintendo to announce the NX, make it a compulsory online device and require people to pay for it. If only Nintendo became like Microsoft, then the world would be a better place, we would have 3 identical consoles and maybe Devil's Third will be playable in America and it could spell the death of console gaming in Japan. What was the Xbox One's sales in Japan last month? 1000? Less? I wonder why... Maybe that's an example you should follow, Japan hate Xbox and don't buy it, why don't you do the same with Nintendo? Especially after this horrific news
From what I've seen sofar, the game does not look that great, so it might be understandable. I still think Nintendo should make more of an effort for 3rd party games in general though, but also for a more diverse portfolio of games on their systems. This goes double for NoA, I mean we all remember Xenoblade and The Last Story ... and the Wii was not exactly a platform rich in quality and diverse content.
Actually, it was quite a massive step back behind the gamecube, where one could find gems like Baiten Kaitos, Skies of Arcadia LEgends (a port but still), Eternal Darkness, Luigis Mansion, Battalion Wars, MGS Twin Snakes, Killer 7, Time Splitters, Rogue Squadron, Viewtful Joe, Resident Evil, Metroid Prime, Beyond Good and Evil, Prince of Persia, F-Zero, and so on.
No way the Wii or the WiiU could compete with that, not even combined I think.
Another epic win for Nintendo and the Wii U...
@FlaygletheBagel what's with this twitchy eye ranting, if you don't own a Wii U? Surely, it's not worth the aggro
@Ralek85 I'd take Xenoblade Chronicles, Donkey Kong Country Returns, Beat the Beat Rhythm Heaven, Mario Strikers Charged, Monster Hunter Tri, NSMBW, Red Steel 2, Zack and Wiki, Prime 3, Another Code R, The Last Story, Sin and Punishment if we're talking about hidden gems and lesser known good games that the other did not have, and they're just on Wii. So there ya go, opinions.
Yep, that does sound like something Nintendo would do... -10 respect
@FlaygletheBagel : You're so right about Microsoft. With Phil Spencer, the guy seems really open....and honest, which is refreshing. Unlike Nintendo who I feel rarely say anything truthful anymore. I'm Microsoft though, since last holiday they have been beefing up the console. I think the Xbox One may be coming my way sooner rather than later.
People should not really jump idea of FF5 getting canned, heck at least that got a treehouse, i mean just because Devil's Third possible of canned in NA doesn't mean FF5 well get effect (not mention that been shown in a Nintendo Direct)
But Color me Surprised if this happen for FF5,
as for Devil's Third, i'm disappointing that it may up happen (even tho it can't be confirmed yet until Nintendo said something.) but not really a Big lost got Xenoblade to enjoy in December
@Ootfan98 Good question. Because, like you, I care about what happens to this company. Few companies hold as much sentimental value to me as Nintendo does - I grew up with them. And despite my frustration at where the company is heading, I still want to see them make a return to form. Of the Big 3, they're the ones I want to succeed most.
But when everything my favorite company has done for the last decade has been jaded, out of touch, confused, insensitive, and needlessly arrogant, it's hard for me not to be vocal about it. It's hard for me to continue to give them the benefit of the doubt and buy their hardware on nostalgia alone, while the true innovation and consumer friendliness is happening through Microsoft and Sony.
My ranting is not because I hate Nintendo. It's because I love them and wish they were the great company they used to be.
From Itagaki's Facebook page:
Which do you believe me or such site?
The world brims over with lies and rumors.
Thanks always, mates.
You would think that given that NoE will be producing an English, Spanish and French translation that NoA could at least be bothered to put this on the eShop if they are scared of a retail release.
But Nintendo of America always makes smart decisions like skipping Xenoblade Chronicles, Last Story and Pandora's Tower....
@FlaygletheBagel true innovation through Sony and Microsoft? Name me one, then, if they're so great, and please don't make it so easy for me to laugh with either Morpheus or Hololens. £600 goggles? 10/10 IGN too much innovation.
Your comment reeks of sarcasm, and you poke fun at Xbox's Japan sales, but you're blatantly ignoring that Nintendo is in last place worldwide. Ironically, Xbox didn't even need Japanese sales in order to sell better overall, which should truly communicate how irrelevant Nintendo has become. Meanwhile, Nintendo's console has been out a full year longer than its competitors, and still hasn't even reached Dreamcast numbers.
Again, make fun of Xbox One's crappy launch all you want. It's certainly deserved. But Nintendo had a poor launch too, and have done little to nothing to rectify it.
@FlaygletheBagel I'm just making a point and saying there's a lot of people out there who can't stand Sony, Microsoft or both, and they show it by not buying their products. Even Sony is losing is Japan, I think all 14 of the best selling 2014 games in Japan were on Nintendo consoles, and it think with all the success they've had this year over there, it will be a similar outcome for 2015. If you find Nintendo irrelevant then don't buy their products and don't come to a site called NINTENDO life to whine when they do something you don't like. A Microsoft like overhaul won't happen and quite frankly they don't need it, investors are happy, they're making a lot of profit and they're expanding rapidly. All that of the back of what was by far their most successful pairing of consoles. Irreverent indeed.
I'm in the UK. On the Nintendo UK site there is a picture gallery and brief outline of the game ; but on the official Japanese site there's a video interview with Itagaki featuring gameplay footage. This looks a little bit more polished than what was shown at E3 2014. The game has a B movie plot , online multiplayer , and a level editor. It looks frantic , overblown and completely unrealistic. I want it. Badly.
Regarding the US , perhaps Nintendo are waiting to see the reaction to the game in Japan and Europe before deciding what to do with it regarding release date and whether physical or digital ? If you take a look at the rumour starters twitter account he does seem to have a slight anti Nintendo bias. Rumours always get good clicks. Look at the volume of NX articles recently. Facts are boring.
In response to your previous comment (I seem to be one behind you):
Xbox 360 introduced online gaming and online purchases on consoles, which have now been adopted as industry standards. Xbox Live is still the most stable and reliable online infrastructure of the Big 3, and Nintendo is still fumbling its way around the concept. Xbox 360 arguably perfected ergonomic controller design (a design that Nintendo and Sony both would emulate in their PS4/Wii U controllers). Sony has innovated primarily in their games. Naughty Dog consistently pushes the industry forward in terms of graphical fidelity, narrative quality, and gameplay immersion, and both Sony and Microsoft create hardware that encourages third parties and indies to develop games for it.
Tell me, what has Nintendo done in the last decade that has been innovative? Don't give me the control stick and rumble pack, because those were over a decade ago. What have they done in the last decade that has been adopted as industry standard? Motion control gimmicks that have now all but disappeared from today's games? A tablet controller that not even Nintendo knows how to make games for? Don't poke holes in the other companies until you can honestly assess your own.
"don't come to a site called NINTENDO life to whine when they do something you don't like."
This is a comment section where, surprisingly enough, people are allowed to make comments. Positive or negative. If you're interested in why I bother saying anything here, I addressed that in this comment thread (see #210).
As for your comment about Nintendo probably not doing a MS-sized overhaul, I agree with you. It probably won't happen.
@FlaygletheBagel I'm sorry, I take it back, I thought you were only referring to the PS4/Xbox One, I have no doubt at all that over the past 10 years Sony/Microsoft have helped shaped the industry more than Nintendo into what it is today, but is that really a good thing? Especially when you consider things like pre-order bonuses, COD/Destiny problems and DLC in general, something that Sony and Microsoft have been happy to help come along. But I would never take away from the 360/PS3, loved them both, but it's not like Nintendo not pushing the industry is a new thing only with the Wii U, they've been faking behind there for years. But screw the PS4/Xbox One man, both just wannabe PCs if I ever saw any lol, with only half or dozen or so worthwhile exclusives between them.
Why would Nintendo Japan let this happen,surely NoA dropping the game last minute would affect sales of the Nintendo published NoE version, I know it puts this European off.
@TheLastLugia Now you're just trolling the guy, aren't you?... Your arguments seem to get worse with every comment!
@MightyKrypto just because I think the PS4 and Xbox One are crap? It's my opinion, you're still free to like them if you want. Sony/Microsoft have gone backwards IMO and I'm extremely disappointed with both of their current consoles and the way they're doing things.
Someone just put the Wii U down already and get it over with. The "NX" can't come out soon enough!
@TheLastLugia I agree, Sony and MS haven't done much to differentiate themselves this generation. At the very least they openly communicate and listen to their fans, something Nintendo seemingly doesn't know how to do. And say what you will about Microsoft, but their backwards compatibility move at E3 was incredibly smart and consumer friendly. Innovative? Definitely not. But it was a good response to fan demand nonetheless.
I also think part of the reason Sony and MS haven't done anything crazy is because the gaming audience demands the same experience over and over. Sony has openly stated in interviews that the reason they didn't give Morpheus more time at their conference was because the audience would've probably torn them apart if they had. It's also probably why Microsoft spent so little time on HoloLens, and why MS also dedicated an entirely separate conference to Oculus.
Gamers don't want to hear about that stuff. They want the standard issue controller, the game, and the screen. It's good in that it forces devs to be more innovative in the games themselves and not the hardware (something Nintendo has long struggled with), but bad because it makes it difficult to really push the industry forward. Oculus could turn out to be brilliant. But because most gamers (including myself) don't want any additives to the gaming experience and prefer not to pay extra for it, those concepts could also prove to be dead at launch.
And as per your statement about DLC and all that jazz, I agree. As with any concept, it can either be used to great effect, or can be abused in much the same way. Arkham Knight is one of the biggest DLC offenders I've ever seen and I refuse to buy that game because of that. But we as gamers certainly don't have to buy into those things if we don't want them - voting with our wallets is the most effective convincing we can do.
PS3 and 360 were great systems. I'm glad we both can agree on that one. I wish Nintendo were in that discussion for that last couple generations too. But sadly it looks like they've gone in a totally different direction.
@garthvader and that statement right there... Is why you don't run a multimillion dollar corporation. Glad you ain't running Nintendo, they would have shutdown two weeks after launch! doing anything to spite someone, is absolutely verboten in business. Trust me, in business, you have strange bedfellows...
@GuyWithTheGames This is one of the most laughable comments I've ever seen. What is it with people who come to a comment section (on any website) and expect to only see positivity? Is it really that hard to be in the presence of people you disagree with?
Nintendo needs tough love. When I critique them, it's because I love them and really do want to see them do well. That's not going to happen when they're surrounded by "yes men" who refuse to believe the predicament they're in and ignore the poor decisions they make.
Disappointing news if true, but hardly unexpected. This was my most anticipated game of the year. The multiplayer looked like an absolute blast, but if it ends up not coming to the US, or just reviews so badly that it tanks, then there's no chance of it sustaining a viable community.
I'll be honest, this game never really looked that great to begin with and I'm not a huge fan of the modern Ninja Gaiden games either. So personally I'm not going to lose sleep if this isn't available for me to buy. However, I feel bad for those in NA that wanted this game.
NoA won't release it because it has "devil" in the title.anything else is an excuse just like how fatal frame will be papped out on the eshop with little promotion.so that when the nx comes around they can justify everything being of the kiddie/casual friendly amiibo festival and Chibi metroid blast ball nature.
Times like this I'm glad I'm from the uk remember when NoE were the unchallenged laughing stock for years?.
^ That doesn't even make sense. Just look at Bayonetta...
Yeah I'm at that point already I'm just waiting for xenoblade x and fire emblem and I'm done.... And Zelda if it comes to Wii u.
@VeeFlamesNL Bayonetta was promoted internally up until its launch, but Nintendo completely stopped doing any sort of promotion once the game was out. So he's not entirely wrong. Nintendo has no idea how to promote these games while still maintaining their reputation as being "family friendly."
Well, opinions ... among other things, I dare say. In terms of "Another Code R", the game never made it to the U.S. afaik, and the Wii is region-locked.
Donkey Kong Country, Mario Strikers Charged, NSMBW and to a degree even Monster Hunter Tri are really quite the opposite of diverse, unique games/ hidden gems.
Xenoblade and The Last Story, I mentioned myself, but they were not the rule, but the exception, also, by the time they came out, most people I know hardly paid any attention to the Wii anymore, if they hadn't sold it off altogether already. It's a shame I know, but I can hardly blame them, seeing as those two games were a very, very long time coming, esp. in North America.
As for the rest, I agree, although MP3 was really not my favourite, despite the actually cool pointer controls. Still, the numbers where just not there for me. I did not, and am not saying, there was nothing outside of the traditional Nintnedo fare on the Wii, but I stand by my assessment: A gamecube'esque library, it was not.
If the quality isn't good enough, postpone it for a few months and have them improve it. Don't just pass it on to the next publisher who don't care about releasing weak games; I suggest SEGA(Sonic Boom).
@SuperWiiU That would cost money that Nintendo is not willing to give them.
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