Nintendo Announces a Special Video Presentation for Super Smash Bros., Hosted by Masahiro Sakurai

Ok. Probably about the expensive DLC they have planned.

I guess they'll save Ryu for the big presentation?

Smash news is always very exciting!

It's unfortunate, but i don't really have an interest in smash 4 anymore. I'll be keen on any ballot character announcements but other than that i find it hard to care.

Nice, will watch.

Very excited! I would have tuned in if I didn't have a trip planned for that day. Now to watch the video when I get back or get updates? Hmm..

June 14th is the smash presentation.
1+4 is 5.
Level-5 has a five in the name.
Professor Layton in smash confirmed.

@ShanaUnite Are you a wizard?

Probably to announce the winner of the new character fan polls. Looking forward to it.

"An update on June 14 brings new content to Super Smash Bros. for Wii U and Nintendo 3DS, including Lucas from Mother 3 as a playable character, a new Wii U Miiverse stage and Mii Fighter costumes inspired by Splatoon."
Isn't this an update to the actual game bringing this content? The way the article reads it sounds like it's a news update on these things.

Hopefully he looks well rested!

@dariusq - That wouldn't make sense considering the ballot is still open and stays open until October.

I hope that by holding a separate presentation for Super Smash Bros 4, it'll mean Nintendo will have additional free time to showcase more on their other games, especially unannounced ones during the main E3 direct!

@dariusq Isn't that till October? Besides, they'd probably announce that sort of thing at E3.
Don't get me wrong, though. It looks like the Smash Ballot hype has died, so maybe Nintendo would announce the results early.

I guess a lot of people want Banjo-Kazooie then again who knows?

I hope that this means that there will be no Smash 4 during E3 .....
I know how good this game is, you don't have to waste time during E3 talking about it ....

Ugh Nintendo, why would they do it so early on a Sunday? I'm going to be at church, and it will become even harder for me to concentrate if I'm wondering what this video is going to be about. I won't be able to stop thinking Kirby Air Ride 2 will be announced either. (And if that does happen, I want to find out through the hype of a video, not just get home and see an article saying it was announced.)

Ryu and Roy incoming

RYU BABY!
My thoughts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp5kHPQdRz0

7:40 AM? Whatever. I'm hyped!

I'd like online tournaments available shortly after the presentation. Didn't Sakurai say that only a small number of people are still working on additional smash content? Why are they working on Lucas, a character few requested anyway, instead of delivering the promised online tournements? It's been months and months and I can't recall seeing or hearing many complaints - I've not made them myself till now, but it is starting to get a bit silly.

I wonder if they'll have anything related to the Smash vote ballot.

I love that they are getting stuff like this out of the way before E3. I want the focus to be on new titles for their digital event.

Woo.... why? I mean, if the game was still new, it'd make sense, but at this point, there's nothing such a video could possibly show that would be worth the time.
Also, hopefully, Capcom stays true to their nature and completely wastes their chance for getting Ryu in by doing nothing. Less characters, more depth.

...Meh, I don't know anymore, I'm thinking a new character being announced, but everyone says Ryu. Why does Capcom get two characters in this game? :/

@Kaze_Memaryu Ryu has sound files in the game already via the Mewtwo patch. He's coming. Also, the video is to show DLC of course.

You know I could see them revealing Roy and Wolf/Ballot Character(s) in this presentation and saving just Ryu for the digital event when more people are watching.

OH MY DIN, FARORE AND NAYRU, THIS IS HAPPENING
[goes on Youtube and checks Etika's reaction to this]

The long promised tournament mode?

@B64111980 I imagine he'd play similarly to Captain Falcon. Not completely out of place.

@Captain_Gonru - I'll put it on my calendar.

"Mii Fighter costumes inspired by Splatoon."

Wasn't this a Gamestop exclusive for buying Splatoon?

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2015/05/splatoon_mii_fighter_outfits_coming_to_super_smash_bros_in_the_summer

I suppose this means these costumes will be paid DLC so the Gamestop offer is still "exclusively" free?

I'm sill mad Target didn't have any Splatoon water pistols, I was there at 8AM.

All I want is Roy announced!

I love how everyone speculates Ryu and Roy. Just because there is a code for them doesn't mean they'll be playable it just means they were considered at some point the same how the codes for Mewtwo and Roy were in Brawl.

I think in addition to the known stuff, I think we'll get online tournaments as well as the winner of the smash ballot. Nintendo is looking to make a real stance at this year's E31

@shinokami
But the codes were added after the mewtwo DLC.

@shinokami The data for them wasn't in the game original, it was only added with the Mewtwo patch. And throwing in sound and music files for a third party character like Ryu doesn't make sense if they were just considering him.

MORE DLC! MORE DLC! MORE DLC!................................................!

RYU! RYU! RYU!

I'll be there!

Roy and Ryu incoming! Would like it to be fake, though, just because this isn't the type of surprise I'd want to be spoiled.

This is to everyone: The smash ballot goes on until October of this year so they aren't going to announce any smash ballot characters at E3. Maybe a reminder to it, but no character info.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei3-Qo9wHH4

@dkxcalibur The votes for the Smash Ballot don't end until October of this year.

Y ES restore my life sakurai >:0

@rjejr you're not missing much really those water guns were cheapy cheap pistols with a chappy choo 10 cent Splatoon sticker...you and the family should do what my son and I are planning to do this summer...buy some official Super Soaker artillery, use a permanent marker to design your weapon...then get some roller blades, find a park and go H.A.M.!!! then after all is said and done go home and play some Splatoon...or the more likely reality is sit at home and watch my son play ranked battles and have him constantly remind me how he's at Rank B while I ponder how to unplug the Wii U...hypothetical of course there are plenty of power outages during the summer so there's not a guilty bone in my body XD

@Kaze_Memaryu You don't make any sense. Even if the game is not new, its popularity and the number of people playing it is increasing, thus making it still relevant. All kinds of new, big announcements such as new characters or new game modes - the aforementioned Tournament section for U, to name one - would be important to the fanbase and well worth a special presentation from the creator himself. It's obvious they wouldn't do this to introduce the latest 0.99 dollar costume.

Secondly, ''less characters, more depth''? That's as absurd as absurd gets. It'd be one thing if Smash were a yet-to-be-released game and you were concerned about their not taking enough care in crafting each individual character due to making the cast too big, but the main roster for Smash is long done now and other than the occasional nerf/buff patch all they have to focus on character-wise is the new additions. And more characters will naturally add more variety and interesing match-ups as the metagame evolves, certainly not the other way around.

ICE CLIMBERS, MOTHER 3, ICE CLIMBERS, MOTHER 3!

@WanderingPB -You mean like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xr4IRDg-B8

As much as I'm loath to promote "Walmart" (I'm one of those liberal tree hugging hippie types) this commercial is about as good of a Splatoon commercial as you can get w/o being a Splatoon commercial.

And if you do go to the park w/ your kid, make sure to buy 1 of those orange camo hats. I miss it already Woudln't be sad to see the Kraken go though.

Does your kid play on your account or their own? My kids both have their own, if it's rjejr it's me. The new and improved rjejr now OP w/ the aerospray RG.

Why Ryu? He seems like a terrible fit.

@Captain_Gonru - Oh, the hissy fit has yet to begin, the flyer is still in my pocket, the receipt still in my wallet, eventually they'll get tired of seeing me and I'll break them, they'll be paying me to just go away.

Does your page still auto refresh? Mine used to up utnil a few days ago, now I need ot hit the refresh button - I'm using Chrome Version 43.0.2357.81 m. Not a big deal now but it could get super annoying during anything Live streamed.

I actually forgot about the Miiverse stage.

Why is everyone hating on Ryu? At least he comes from the same genre of games, and I can see him travelling to this dimension to test his skills against some new fighters. Now Snake...he's someone who I thought was as weird of an addition as you could get.

Maybe we finally get that tournament mode.

@B64111980
Up special Dragon Uppercut
Side special Fireball side special smash orange fireball
down special hurricane kick
netual counter
Smash A small target like links that unleashes an collection of Ultra attacks or
a timed shadow mode or ehanced special mode like other character transforms.
Grab - repeated knee attack as grab attack
forward hip toss
back toss I can't remember what is called but everyone knows.
down toss med kick crouch then strong kick crouch
Uo toss 3 hit weak punch combo dragon uppercut

Most of the charcters have some kind of variation of the fireball jumping counter ripped off right from Ryu and Ken. He would fit in better than some of the characters there already.

Challenger Approaching: Batman Administers Justice!

@Chaoz Ice Climbers is impossible.

How many times does this simple bloody fact need to be said? The Ice Climbers have the AI of a player character and an NPC. The 3DS is too weak to handle 8 characters on screen at once (4 players playing as Ice Climbers) with all the other chaos that happens in a Smash bros match.

Sakurai has said as plain as day that both games will have same cast of characters, thus if the 3DS is too weak for one character, then they are not considered for the Wii U version.

Wolf

King K. Rool! King K. Rool! Here's hoping! In all honesty though, I feel like he'll be the last character to get announced if he does make it in.

@rjejr LOL! I had a similar camo hat when I was in high school...guess im just a sucker for nostalgia which is why im more forgiving when Ninty makes some of their regular obtuse decisions though I must admit I silently cursed when you kept splatting me. Seems like my hat was a beacon inviting you to find or for me to super jump to your exact location. But the Kraken never forgets though and I did feel a bit guilty in that match in Port Mackerel when roles were reversed and my vengeance was cold and oh so sweet! LOL!

My son is 9 and has his own account on the Wii U after an accidental deleted data incident on the Wii. But due to the highly addictive nature of Splatoon online battles, he is my emergency stand in during those quick coffee/snack retrieval and during those " I can hold it for 1 more round ( 20 rounds ago)" bathroom breaks. Also during one of our matches he was actually rooting for you because you both used the gas mask...Et tu, Brute?

As long as we get Roy and a fresh, original character (preferably from an underrated series), I'll be fine. Truthfully, I would have voted for Takamaru, but he's already an assist trophy.

Would be nice if Roy gets announced as DLC, but with Fujisaka Kimihiko's design. Personally I still feel the DLC prices are too high, but I'll make an exception for Roy, especially with that design.
...would be nice if Lady White Heart-sama could make it in, too......

The surprise is...

There are no surprises. Only what was announced is shown. You are reminded to watch Nintendo's E3 Direct at the end..

@DarkKirby That's an awfully long time to talk about the Tournament mode

Just because the ballot will remain active through October, doesn't mean it hasn't already produced a character or two they could confirm. Having, say, three million votes for a single character at this stage would show clear interest that wouldn't be changed by having those votes sit around for another four months.

@IceClimbers
"Ryu has sound files in the game already via the Mewtwo patch. He's coming."
Well... unless the code doesn't directly say, "RYU_IS_COMING_SOON," you can't really be certain that Ryu is actually coming. What if it's just something Nintendo didn't clean up after (apparently) working on Ryu?
If you watch the Nintendo Direct that gave us our first look at Splatoon's single player campaign, you'll notice an unfamiliar enemy(That's, like, visual prppf that a particular game content exists, unlike a game code). That doesn't necessarily mean that the enemy is coming in a future Splatoon update.
P.S. Super Mario 3D World has an unused song. This one:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-AoM0SqzDBg
Did it ever become used in an update? No.

Cool; another thing on Nintendo's E3 list.

If Nintendo does this right, it could have a pretty amazing E3 on its hands.

IF...

@VeeFlamesNL If the files were in the base game, then sure they could be scrap files. But to add them in a patch?

Personally, I would rather not have Ryu in Smash considering Capcom has largely shunned Nintendo consoles for games like Street Fighter for quite some time. With the exception of Street Fighter IV on 3DS and Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom (Wii), it has been well over 4 years since Capcom has even bothered with Street Fighter on Nintendo consoles (VC re-re-releases don't count). Capcom has largely crapped all over its fighting fans on Wii U so why give them the free press. Also, it would be an odd inclusion since it would bring attention and free advertisement to a character who's next franchise title is Sony exclusive (SF V).

Ryu from Ninja Gaiden would actually make more sense considering Nintendo's excellent relationship with Tecmo Koei and his history as a retro character on Nintendo consoles. Heck, if it wasn't for the supposed sound files, my vote would've been for Ryu Hayabusa retooled to fit into Smash. Just a thought.

@TreonsRealm Nintendo had the most important Street Fighter game though - Street Fighter II on the SNES. That game is incredibly important to gaming and especially the fighting genre. If it wasn't for that game, the fighting genre would not be where it's at today. Smash Bros owes its existence to Street Fighter II. Ryu is one of the most iconic characters out there and is the face of the genre.

The more characters that are added, the more difficult All-Star Mode becomes

"Hello! I'm Masahiro Sakurai, director of Super Smash Bros. Today, after this presentation, you'll be able to purchase Lucas from Mother 3, but I believe there are many of you who may not quite know exactly who he is, outside of Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Well, I'd like to give you an opportunity to become acquainted with this character, so later today, Mother 3 will be available, for the first time ever, in all regions on the Nintendo eShop for Wii U. We at Nintendo hope you'll enjoy playing as Lucas in Super Smash Bros., as well as in Mother 3."
A guy can dream, right?

Well, that's random but cool! Can't wait to see if they'll confirm any ballot characters!

Ryu and Roy

@AyeHaley i really hope sakurai will never add ryu toi smash. Please Sakurai do ont do that!
He t'as nothing to do here bring US back wolf or snake but not ryu!!!

@ IceClimbers The Sega Genesis and MANY other systems also had Street Fighter II and some would even argue that the Genesis version was better (I wouldn't personally but that's not the point). The point is that Capcom has gotten so far away from Street Fighter on Nintendo consoles that he's not needed and honestly doesn't fit for Smash in the grand scheme. Consider that with how long the series has not been important (4 home console generations) for Nintendo Gamers outside of nostalgia, many Smash players won't even associate him as being important for Smash Bros.

I'd be very suprised if there isn't a character reveal. I'm hoping for a brand new character and not a veteran from a previous game.

I'm pretty neutral about Ryu, but I would support him in Smash because I'd like to see some new characters IN ADDITION to old favorites like Wolf.

@B64111980 AMEN!

@LinkSword The thing is, the characters oversaturate the game, yet most of them are taken over from Brawl without any changes to their gameplay or movesets, not to speak of how lazily similar the alternative specials are to the default ones. Every other fighter has these changes to suprirse veterans with new things for old characters, but that doesn't happen here, yet it should.
What I mean is that Nintendo needs to give characters more depth from the game itself. Individual characters have all but lost their relevance to Smash by now, and only the sum of the roster keeps the construct up. Before, every character had unique challenges in the form of Break the Targets where every single trait of the character is being put to the test, now they're just... there, no context or unique presentation given.
That's because there are way too many characters present, and expanding the roster even further will only water down the individual playstyle of each character even further as it loses significance. Instead, they should drastically cut down the roster, and give the remaining cast more complexity to support the metagame, which has become stale after these 14 years, because it hardly ever changed - it only got stuffed with more things, until Nintendo lost control. And now we have literal scrappies among the cast, and they don't even notice.

With all that out of the way, I must add that this is just my opinion on this, and it most likely doesn't resonate well with the community. I don't care whether you agree with this or not, but I don't see myself coming back to Smash ever again if the only changes are which new characters get shoved into the roster instead of refreshing the returning aspects, while none of the characters receive any in-game respect.

@IceClimbers So are remnants of the Ice Climbers, but they're not in, either (for obvious reasons). It's entirely possible that he was planned, but scrapped, and Nintendo was too lazy to remove the leftovers from the patch (wouldn't be a surprise, they did that on other occasions, as well).

@TreonsRealm That same argument could be made for Mega Man more or less.

Smash celebrates Nintendo's history, and to a certain extent, gaming's history. Street Fighter II on the SNES was a major part of that. Sure, the game was on the Genesis and other platforms, but which platform was the game associated with (arcade version aside) the most? The SNES.

For the record, most of the Smash fanbase is actually for Ryu's inclusion due to the importance of Street Fighter II.

@Kaze_Memaryu I think you just focus on aspects of the game very different from what I care about nowadays, which is the ''competitive'' experience. I put it in quotation marks because I don't mean necessarily pro-level gameplay. I think there's a real richness in playstyles and match-ups as of now in all levels among people who care to learn past the most basic ideas.

Just yesterday I went to meet up with the people from my area's Smash community and it was a real blast to see all the different characters kick ass and pose a serious challenge in their own right. You had the usual top choices like ZSS or Sheik, but also plenty of more rare picks like wii fit Trainer played to near perfection. I had a good impression of the scene prior to this but it really broadens my view of the metagame to just go out there and find challenges beyond the usual For Glory fare.

I guess my bottom line is there are lots of interesting players out there willing to make all sorts of characters shine, waiting to be found. By now I've seen remarkable examples of all characters and I actively seek them out to improve my odds in the match-ups with my main, Link. As far as I'm concerned, one or two more additions to the roster couldn't ever hurt.

@Kaze_Memaryu The remnants of the Ice Climbers are in the base game though. That was there since the start. The sound files for Ryu and Roy, among other files, were not in the base game, but were added in the Mewtwo patch. Scrapped files aren't added in via patch. If Ryu and Roy were scrapped, they would have been in the base game.

Those are placeholder files. If Ryu and Roy never get released, then they were scrapped sometime after the Mewtwo patch.

Tintin for Smash please.

Meh

@allav866 It's not gonna happen, but if it did, I would cry tears of joy

@allav866
Best thing possible!

Why isn't the Mii Verse Stage coming to the 3DS Version too?

I'll take any new character as long as he/she brings something new to the table and isn't worthless competitively.

Yarp. Watching. I'd rather have Amaterasu than Ryu! Love classic Ryu of course - king of the cut scene - but Okami!!!

King K. Rool most definitely doesn't have any gameplay or any of that done yet, however, they may just wait until later this year to give us a sweet trailer and a Crocodile Cacophony remix.

...Assuming, he's on Sakurai's mind, that is...

@IceClimbers Yeah, I guess that makes it more likely, but it could still be scrap files that wasn't cleaned up. I guess we'll see at E3, but I wouldn't go around saying Ryu will be confirmed at E3.

I'd like new music for existing stages. As well as new stages. And old ones. I mean, why isn't New Pork City an 8-player stage?

@IceClimbers I'd like to point out that unfinishec parts of Mewtwo's alternate specials are also part of his DLC, despite not being used in the game at any point, and the following patch did not remove them, but just locked them away better.

@Captain_Gonru - I remember seeing an ad for Brightspot once and thinking - "Aren't there enough cheap no contract phone companies, why go down that path?" We had Virgin Mobile for about 8 years before stitching to Tracfone a few years ago. About $20 month for all 3 phones. Not that my kid and I ever use ours, they're for emergencies.

@VeeFlamesNL Fair enough. I think it's safe to say that we'll be getting at least one character reveal at E3. Maybe one during the presentation on Sunday and then another during the Digital Event? As far as stages go, New Pork City definitely needs to come back as it's absolutely perfect for 8 Player Smash.

The hype is insurmountable!!!

Layton and Phoenix Wright are the two I'd like to be added in but I'm sure whatever other fighters we get will be great too!

Whelp, here's hoping it's something really good, and pleasantly surprising.

Good. Get the boring Smash talk outta the way so that it isn't clogging up the digital event.
They are never going to top the Megaman reveal trailer anyway

@allav866
I actually joked about this with a friend of mine - what with the plugs in the official Smash site's character sheets and with Nintendo's sadistic pleasure in reminding us that Mother 3 won't see the light of day outside Japan, they might as well as put a "Want to know more about Lucas? [insert vulgar variant of "screw you" here]" at the bottom of Lucas' page.

@IceClimbers
New Pork City in Super Smash Bros. for WiiU? I want Onett in Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS then.

@B64111980 How would he be any more out of place the most of the other characters in the roster? That's the fun of Smash, seeing the mismash of characters from various franchises throw down. Smash has always been defined by being the only place where a bounty hunter in a power suit can throw down with a Gorilla wearing a tie, while a goddess of light and a boxer fight it out.

Ryu is a perfect fit for a game like this. As a fighting game character, he could bring some unique gameplay mechanics with him(Super Gauge, Custom Combos, etc) and would round out the roster even further.

And before anyone thinks Ryu does not belong in a game like this because of his character or personality, keep in mind Ryu's perfect appearance records in Capcom's Vs games.

How is Ryu fighting Mario any more outlandish then him fighting against Rocket Raccoon or Spider-Man?

I personally hope Ryu makes it in. I think he'll end up being a fun character.

Am the only one that wants Crash Bandicoot or Spyro the dragon to be announced. .......my childhood is dying

have an idea for starfox 6,
what if there were 4 types of missions involving playing as the four members of the team. fox, slippy, falco, and peppy (or krystal if this game takes place after assault lile i am praying that it does)
fox is the standard on-rails shooter,
slippy is project giant robot,
falco is project gaurd
peppy/krystal is a new mode perhaps revovling around staying stationary and launching bombs at enemies (like that minigame in rayman 3)
and perhaps even rob 64 could have a more command-esque mode with fog, missles, and enemy formations.

@Caryslan I fully agree with this. The interesting thing though is that while Smash features characters that wouldn't normally go together fighting each other, they still somehow mesh really well at the same time. PS All-Stars honestly failed in that aspect (in my opinion at least) - the characters in that game's roster just don't mesh well at all. Smash Bros managed to achieve a charm of having the characters in its roster both mesh well and not mesh well at the same time. Ryu totally fits into Smash Bros.

DLC stages.

@Caryslan Believe me, I like Ryu as much as the next guy. I just think there are WAAAAY more deserving characters that need tto be in Smash other than Ryu. You just said it yourself, Smash is a game where wacky fights take place; therefore, why haven't we seen Isaac yet? Or Klonoa? Besides, I'm just saying, but Ryu is the huge face of a very huge franchise. Let other characters bask in the sunlight.
Just my two cents....

@IceClimbers I know I'd play 8-player Smashes more often if New Pork City was a stage... Chimera(or whatever...) upon the chaos that's already 8-player Smash?!

@Kaze_Memaryu >stale metagame

Whats there to change in a party game, as Sakurai views it?

Even though it indeed has become stale, the game still does it job to being a fun 'party' game

@ShanaUnite where did you get level-5 and prof. Layton from?

Ryu is a way more appropriate addition than Snake or even Wii Fit Trainer.

Also, you can announce Nintendo vs. Capcom at any time guys.

@Chaoz MOTHER ******* 3!!!

@VeeFlamesNL I'm all for having obscure or unusual characters making the cut in Smash if they are first-party Nintendo characters. The reason for that is simple, there are enough slots for Nintendo characters to put Duck Hunt Dog, Wii Fit Trainer, or Shulk alongside Mario and Link.

Now, when it comes to third-party characters, my opinion changes. Third-parties are given limited roster spots, and my feeling is that those spots should go to iconic third-party characters who have been trailblazers or had a major impact on gaming.

Sonic is the first mascot to successfully compete with Mario, and allowed Sega the chance to knock Nintendo off their throne and show that other companies could thrive in the market and beat Nintendo.

Mega Man is an iconic character of the NES era with his games being associated with the system. Beyond that, the Mega Man series successfully evolved to include other genres and remained a staple of gaming, especially on Nintendo platforms.

Pac-Man is the first icon of gaming, predating Sonic, Mario, and others who would come after him. He starred in the most successful arcade game of all time, and has endured over the years to remains a staple of gaming that still gets new games, something that very few 80's arcade characters besides Donkey Kong can lay claim to.

Snake and the Metal Gear Solid series represent one of the examples of the shift in the market from the 8-bit and 16-bit style of games, to the more modern style of gaming that emphases storytelling, cut scenes, and a larger focus on the plot. Snake is also an icon of his genre, and often the first character that people think of when they talk about the Stealth Game genre.

Which brings me to Ryu. On the surface, he seems like a boring, almost predictable choice, especially over other Capcom characters like Phoenix Wright or Viewtiful Joe. But what Ryu has is his status as an iconic character. Almost every single fighting game after Street Fighter has its Ryu style character who draws upon Ryu's personality,his moveset, or his apperance, Ryu is the most famous fighting game character, and he also comes from the second most popular arcade game after Pac-Man.

I guess my viewpoint is this. Third-party characters in a game like Smash are not only guests, they are special attractions intended to sell people on the novelty of them being in the game. Mario vs Sonic is a dream match that people have wanted to do since the old 16-bit wars where kids would argue with each other about the merits of the Genesis vs the Super NES.

Or the idea of Mega Man joining into the fray or the first icon of gaming Pac-man throwing down against Mario and Sonic, two later icons of gaming that followed.

I suppose that's why I'm hoping the Ryu rumor is true. I want to see the most iconic fighting game character whose games trailedblazed an entire genre throw down with Nintendo-All Stars and the other third-party icons of gaming.

Characters like Shantae and Shovel Knight are intresting characters, but they aren't iconic. Having them face off against Mario won't have the impact that it should.

But having Mr. Gaming himself Mario facing off against the gold standard of Fighting game characters just sounds awesome to me. That's just my opinion on the matter.

@Gridatttack Characters getting new moves, for example, would be a good start. But I'm thinking more in the direction of new, character-specific sub-mechanics.
Example: Dr. Mario could have color-coded attacks in blue, red, and yellow. His pills rotate these colors, and stick a virus to the opponent on hit. Red Virus would lower attack power, Yellow would lower speed, and blue would poison the oppponent. Hitting the enemy with one of Dr. Mario's attacks that has the same color as the virus on the opponent will remove the Virus, but deal more damage and knockback. And to crown it, Dr. Mario's UP-Special would remove every virus at once, but become more powerful with each one, turning into a one-hit-kill at the maximum of three viruses.
This could give Dr. Mario not only an entirely new playstyle, it would also become an incentive to experiment with attacks that, by themselves, don't seem all that useful.
This just a quick idea, though, and not absolutely every character must have such a sub-mechanic, but I wanna see something new from old characters.

I believe Super Smash Brothers to be my favorite game. Sega had a similar game on the DreamCast. I don't know which one had the concept first. http://5starblog.com/tag/nintendo/

I wasn't as excited for Lucas as I was for Mewtwo (I'll still get him though), so I'm anxious to see what Mr. Sakurai will present on Sunday as far as future DLC plans.

@Kaze_Memaryu Did you seriously say the metagame has hardly changed over 14 years? You had better be kidding because that is seriously ignorant. In fact, the majority of what you say shows a severe lack of knowledge of competitive Super Smash Bros.

@Captain_Gonru - Maybe you can find some people here to commiserate w/.

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"As the kids would say..." We are a couple of old geezers, aren't we?

@Caryslan You my sir, just nailed with your text! You said everything!

People saying Ryu doesn't fit in Smash is just mind blowing, he fits it perfectly! He is a important gaming icon!

@Captain_Gonru - For the longest time I thought "FTW" stood for "F' the world". I have no idea why anybody would come up w/ "for the win".

And why are we discussing FTW when you typed WTF? I think we all know what that one means.

True story: One year I got a Bruce Lee t-shirt that said "Bad Mofo" on it. My mom asked me what "mofo" meant. How would you like to explain that to your mother.

@RadicalYoseph Then please tell me what changed about Smash Bros. in the last 14 years in terms of how the characters and combat work. The only returning characters that ever saw a significant (YMMV) change overall were Mario, Bowser, and Link. Also, metagame isn't restricted to competitive gameplay anyway, and I wasn't talking about the blancing, anyway.

@Kaze_Memaryu Nothing has been majorly changed by Nintendo, only changes in terms of content, quality, and variety of characters/stages. Many advanced techniques have been discovered by players over the years however, causing major changes in competitive play for Melee and 64. If you compare how pros play Melee between now and 5 years ago, you will see some major differences. The tier lists have gone through plenty of changes due to character specific techniques being discovered as well.

Even Nintendo has added plenty of interesting new content- Updated movements, entirely unique characters such as Rosalina and Little Mac, a hugely improved soundtrack, graphics, and stage selection and more. So far, the larger roster of SSB4, along with occasionally updates have helped keep most characters actually playable in a competitive environment- this helps prevent a Brawl or even Melee situation with dominance of specific characters in tourneys.

Street Fighter hasn't completely overhauled many characters, and is not any worse for it. Most fighting games don't have major changes to combat, and so what? If the formula works why change it a ton? As long as it doesn't get stale (Which Smash Bros has not according to almost everyone) then there really is no need for massive overhauls in gameplay.

@RadicalYoseph You don't seem to get what I mean. I'm not talking about the very basics of Smash, I'm talking about the characters and how they play individually.
Since Melee, none of the returning characters have ever had a single new move (with the exceptions of Mario, Bowser, and Link), which is not only lazy, but also makes them less interesting to play than new characters.
Just look at every other modern fighting series - pretty much every character gets new moves, and that keeps them interesting, since there's always some new ways to play them through that.
All these returning characters come off as old - their moves don't incorporate or relate to mechanics from their newer games at all, their overall playstyle has barely changed since Melee, and the focus for Smash in general has lost it's ability to even acknowledge individual characters as such.

@Kaze_Memaryu When you say that their overall playstyle has not changed you are 100% incorrect, unless you are talking about casual play. How these characters are used competitively has changed a whole lot. I think the lack of character overhauls is because Nintendo wanted more variety of new characters.

Example- Diddy Kong's moveset has not changed but he has completely different tactics and combos in SSB4 than in Melee.

@RadicalYoseph Uhhh, Diddy Kong wasn't in Melee, so I'll just assume you meant Brawl. And yes, I'm well aware how different competitive playstyles are between both games.

But, I said before that I'm not talking about competitive balance.
Also, variety is good and all, but Smash 4 doesn't really do anything to support the variety. None of the characters' strong points are ever expected from the game itself, instead relying on the competitive spirit to deliver the characters to begin with - that's not inherently wrong, but it also means that people must rely on finding info on the internet on how to play them on an advanced level, or just hope to get destroyed by just the right people to learn strategies from, while the individuality is almost meaningless in Single Player - I mean, I finished Classic Mode on 9.0 with all characters, and at no point did I ever feel the need to use stuff like Shulk's Monado Modes, Luma repositioning, or even grabs, which are a major aspect of the overall game. The game simply fails to deliver it's strengths. But at the same time, folks like Captain Falcon, Fox, or Pikachu come off as uncreative, because they keep having the exact same moves. I found myself not even trying to practice with any returning characters, but still dominated Classic Mode and online. It was an enormous letdown to realize that Nintendo didn't even try to apply anything new to most of their own veterans.

Basically, the game wants to be competitive, but doesn't help the player at all with learning that. But at the same time, the game doesn't even acknowledge that every character is inherently different anymore, but just keeps pointing out how many characters there are, which makes each character look very insignificant by itself.
But if Nintendo were to reduce the number of characters, and give returning ones some new moves, it would be much easier to also accentuate their moves, strengths, and limits - all of which Break the Targets in Melee and Brawl managed to pull off magnificently. But to deliver on the compwtitive side, something like a Challenge Mode that has you learning to pull off advanced maneuvers (in a similar fashion to what Skullgirls and BlazBlue do), the whole game could achieve a much stronger connection to its characters.

Wasn't going to get on the Ryu bandwagon but I could get behind him being in game....not like we are going to get another .VS game any time soon.

@Sanicranfast You're the 100th person to completely miss quoted Sakurai. He said the 3DS team didn't have enough time to make Ice Climbers playable. He didn't say they weren't impossible.

@Chaoz https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2014/09/sakurai_explains_reasoning_behind_removal_of_ice_climbers_from_super_smash_bros

What is the quote then, because every source on the internet states that the 3DS wasn't powerful enough.

@Kaze_Memaryu There are a few issues with that final argument, but I can see where you are coming from. Thanks for the well written response. I will try to get back to you later with my arguments, but I apologize if I forget.

@RadicalYoseph Haha, don't worry, I'm patient! And I'm enjoying reading your input, as well! ^_^

I see one of three possibilities...though I'm hoping for all three at once:
-Wave 2 DLC costumes
-Veteran DLC either Wolf or Snake
-N64 Dream Land Stage DLC for 3DS and another stage for Wii U (Dr. Mario maybe?)
Also, I believe King K Rool will be announced near the third DLC fighter's release date. (checks character voting) 10.50% as of now...Shovel Knight has no chance...sorry. I'd like him in...I really would...but I want the king in more.