Nintendo's "big three" - Reggie Fils-Aime, Satoru Iwata and Shigeru Miyamoto - have been speaking to Time about the company's future hardware platform, Nintendo NX.
The system was recently announced alongside a deal with Japanese mobile firm DeNA, and while little is known about what form it will take at present, the trio were quick to point out that Nintendo remains committed to creating its own hardware.
Nintendo of American president Fils-Aime explained that the system will allow Nintendo to pull together its knowledge of hardware and software, calling Nintendo NX a "marriage of the software with the hardware that together creates a compelling experience."
Iwata insisted that Nintendo NX - and dedicated hardware in general - is key to making sure Nintendo can remain at the cutting edge of game design:
If we don't take an approach that looks holistically at the form a video-game platform should take in the future, then we're not able to sustain Nintendo 10 years down the road. For us to create unique experiences that other companies cannot, the best possible option for us is to be able to develop hardware that can realize unique software experiences.
Meanwhile, Mario and Zelda creator Miyamoto summed up Nintendo's role in the industry, and how Nintendo NX is tied in with its responsibilities. Miyamoto considers it to be Nintendo's "job" to "create new platforms that enable us to create fun new ways to play."
More details on Nintendo NX will be revealed next year.
I am totally and utterly excited about this NX platform. Go Ninty GO!
Doesn't matter what NX will try to do if 3rd parties aren't on board. That is all that matters.
This is what the Wii U was supposed to do.....and we all know how that works... Please don't come up with something that people just won't see what to do with it and then they just walk away because they don't want to deal with it....
Because "better than having a root canal" didnt test well in the focus groups.
How about creating a more powerful machine, and getting 3rd parties on board this time? That would be great. Not that I'm a graphics snob or anything, I'm far from it actually. But that doesn't mean I don't want different games to play.
Will it play a new Metroid title? How about F Zero? Those are 2 fun new ways to play right there
Sounds like theyll focus on gimmicks again instead of trying to get the basics right
What comes out on vc today?
I normally go with Nintendo systems because they create unique experiences that other companies cannot (or don't). Well at least until other companies start copying them
Uh oh, "Fun New Ways To Play" is what they said about Wii U...
I bet the NX won't even be a physical console. It will be a cloud-based entertainment subscription service that can be be pushed out to multiple devices (e.g. 3DS, Wii U, PC, Mac, iPhone, Android, etc.).
"New ways to play," huh?
I smell another ridiculous, abstract controller concept.
"Fun new ways to play"... oh dear...
Get the old-fashioned ways to play right first (You know, decent specs, controller that programmers can figure out what to do with and easy to port to), then create some add-on gimmick device if you must, get the foundation right before trying to build a palace...
I'm all up for great game play, but it would be nice to have a decent console that can excel in the power and graphical department too. Honestly, Xbox hasn't reinvented their controller, just changed the design and it works brilliantly.
Why do they always have to change up how we play games? The Wiimote was nice, but the Gamepad feels so... Stupid and horribly implemented. With a traditional controller, I know what I'm getting. Just buttons, no gimmicks.
I can't believe people are upset over the phrase "fun new ways to play". It's a new system. Of course it will offer fun new ways to play. What is he supposed to say, that it offers a boring, old, tired experience?
I hope "fun new ways to play" doesn't mean they're gonna create another gimmick controller. -_- If they do add a gimmick, please make it optional this time. And please get third parties on board.
Just make powerful hardware with sufficent media storage. That's why the NES & SNES were successful. N64 and GCN had low media storage compared to the competition, and the Wii and Wii U are underpowerd. So just go back to being competitive and stop these gimmicks that hurt your brand.
Uh oh that doesn't sound promising. Remember when Miyamoto said he'd only do another F Zero if the right controller came along?
I'm taking it as a general comment. We will see. A hybrid console/handheld fits the comment too
if its a tablet which hooks up to the tv I hope a controller is built in instead of touchscreen. a big reason I dont jump from consoles to tablet is touchscreen controls are just uncomfortable.
I think NX might not be a successor to neither 3DS nor Wii U, but rather a "third pillar", something that DS was originally supposed to be. All the talk about "new, fun ways to play" is quite suspicious, however there is one thing that MIGHT come out of it: a non-clamshell design handheld console with non-square touch screen on the entire face, with holes inside to accomodate buttons.
Clues to this? Well, Sharp free-form displays (and no, the hole in the middle is not a fact, it was just a dumb speculation which suddenly became regarded as true) and new AMD low-power APU scheduled for 2016 delivery for Nintendo point to that. And I'll stand by this concept unless facts prove me otherwise.
So the same old tune that Nintendo keeps chirping. They think it makes them special, but it doesn't. It makes them stupid.
It's always been the games that makes systems special. Not the input method.
Good luck with that. You didn't do it that well with the Wii U.
Frankly, I don't really get the sentiment of wanting the same control scheme from now until the end of time, it's really narrow minded and limiting.
Ugh lets not spend a lot of time on the NX this far out. Let's deal with the next 2 years of Wii U. No point really in even talking about NX overall as people have been saying same thing about nintendo consoles (Moar power, 3rd party, etc) for some time now and nothing has changed. Need a different mjndset at Nintnedo before we need a new console.
Now I'm worried if I get the Wii U now, it will be more of a disappointment rather than excitement if this new system shows up next year.
@Artwark It won't. It most certainly won't be a home console, just a handheld and/or a gimmick device. And I don't believe in the hybrid model anymore - it would be just to difficult to execute hardware-wise. I'm sure Wii U is here to stay for another 3 years. ;]
I feel WiiU was their shot at going back to the more traditional style of gaming (despite the gamepad), and they found it's taking much more leg work to appease to the "hardcore" gamer crowd that doesnt really want to adopt Nintendo console hardware for one reason or another.
"Fun new ways to play" at this point, sounds great to me. Have at it guys, we all win when Nintendo just decides to be themselves.
@bngrybt I mean, seriously... X(
@Kifa I disagree. The chances are the NX will release in 2017, meaning the Wii U is 5 years old and in the typical 5 to 6 year life cycle of a home console. It makes sense that Nintendo are to look at a successor to this over the 3DS.
NX will ultimately succeed or fail based on two criteria: 1) Third Party Support and 2) Online Multiplayer.
Nintendo has, for the most part, utterly failed in both categories for the last decade+. Even in instances where they have provides online gameplay, it has lacked several features that its competition has been providing for years now, like voice chat or comprehensive ranking and matchmaking. It's almost embarrassing how far behind Nintendo is in these two critical areas, and NX would benefit heavily if they were to do whatever ot takes to fix and improve them.
If NX doesn't have comprehensive online gaming services, or if it doesn't have the hardware capable of interesting third parties like Rockstar, Activision, Ubisoft and EA to put their games on the thing, then it doesn't matter what "fun, new" ways Nintendo comes up with to play. Without those two things, NX will just be another WiiU.
Well, this is Nintendo we're talking about. So the controller is probably going to ridiculous.
@OMGILikeTurtlez Iwata and Reggie both said in statements, that 'NX' will be hardware based. How is that just a 'cloud based' system. Seriously, people are panicking left right and centre already. Iwata and Myamoto have said they are focused on continuing support for the Wii U. Nintendo traditionally releases new hardware every 5 years. Why can't people just enjoy the great games that are already available, and the even better stuff coming later this year.
Next year, probably at E3, we will learn lots of new info about the new console. There is no way in the world, Nintendo is going to release a new machine before mid to late 2017, as they know they will burn a large najority of their dedicated fan base. Already with the Wii U, and the 3DS, Nintendo are trying new ideas, and opening up new ways of playing and buying games, including cross buy. I personally think they are testing the waters for their next machine, which I believe will incorporate most of, if not all the features of the other two consoles, as well as new innovative ideas that we have come to expect from Nintendo. The gaming world in general looks to Nintendo to drive gaming forward, and this has been proved time and time again, with the other two trying to copy what Nintendo do, but usually failing miserably.
Heh, Nintendo has a shot for third parties to return. Though if anyone thing it's gonna return to the WiiU. DON'T. That ship has most likely sailed.
This will take 3 steps.
#1 Get the Mobile Market on board with their mobile games that in turn will get ppl flocking to N's systems.
#2 If nintendo's words says that the mobile games will actually be a driving force to make your games better than ever is true. Then HAVE it happen
#3 Have their online improved N with DEnA will probably do just that.
#4 And of course have NX be hardware intensive with the other guys (assuming this isn't a new handheld PLZ LET THIS BE A NEW HANDHELD! It's not Wiiu's time just yet.).
Results will follow in due time. It's just a step by step process and we haven't started with step 1 yet.
If step 2 3 and 4 isn't b4 step 1 then we got ourselves a problem.
I think people may be overreacting too much. Just because they say fun new ways to play doesnt mean they are gonna use a gimmick for their new console
@Bolt_Strike That control scheme worked just fine from the mid-80s until now, make the main control scheme a simple dual-stick controller, and make an optional controller-with-gimmick, it's not that hard to think of, but it requires Nintendo to swallow their pride and do something in a non-weird manner...
Nintendo needs to do one thing only - make their amazing games!!
If Wii U was up to par with PS4, and if it had the third party lineup of the PS4/X1, I would own a Wii U hands down! Choosing between the two, I went with PS4.
The Wii was cheap enough to own two consoles that generation. Until Wii U prices go way down, I can't justify owning two consoles as a hobbyist.
The Nintendo NX, if released in 2016 or more likely 2017, needs to be at LEAST as powerful as PS4/X1, use a CHEAP controller (i.e. update the gamecube controller!!!) and have a state of the art online infrastructure (i think DeNA will help with this issue)
Nintendo doesn't need another gimmick. They've always, ALWAYS pushed innovative games by making great games. The best thing about Nintendo games have always been their gameplay, their stories, their charm, their characters, their FUN! Regardless of the controller! NES all the way through Wii U, the controls really didn't make a difference. They made great games throughout.
They need to stop making gimmicky controls and make a great, classic controller. OR, as Nintendolife and others have postulated, if they are making a controller with a screen on it, it has to function as a standalone device.
Give me the NX that is a home console AND a portable console, with a state of the art touch-screen on par with what's on phones and tablets, and sell it for $300.
Nintendo needs to learn to sell their consoles at a loss, because they will make so much money off of their games if more people bought the consoles!
I know the fusion console thing is unlikely because of financial reasons, so if not a fusion console, then give me a Gamecube 2.
Gamecube was cutting edge tech for the time (not using DVDs was a mistake in the long term) had an incredible controller and had AMAZING games, some of the best Nintendo's ever made!
And it had third party support from what I recall, more than the Wii did or Wii U does...
Basically Nintendo needs to make their system the one-stop-shop for all video gamers. It can only do that if it was competitive from a technological point of view, and if it was open and easy for 3rd party devs to publish on. No one will go through the hassle of making a Nintendo specific port for lack-luster sales due to a proprietary system or gimmicky controller, especially not after they lost so many with the Wii U.
To bring back consumers they lost, and 3rd parties they've lost, Nintendo needs to just make a straight forward, technologically competitive console & dual-stick controller.
To innovate, Nintendo only needs to do what they've done best all along - continue making amazing games.
Given both Wii and WiiU felt "last gen" - according to detractors - in terms of sheer graphical power, the only gimmick the new console needs is a double leap forward with the processing hardware. If Nintendo beats Sony and Microsoft at their own game, then things are going to get really interesting.
Hope they keep the Wii U gamepad, love that thing! Just make it a bit smaller and improve on its touch screen.
Honestly, played with a regular controller just fine from the NES days to the Cube and beyond, and never thought this needs to change. I'm all for innovative games, but you don't see people trying to boost innovation in moves by adding gimmicks to DVD players. Just create a decently powerful piece of hardware that's not unnecessarily difficult to make games for, and let the software take care of the innovation. Motion controls work for some games, but other potential classics were ruined by having those controls shoe-horned in.
@PvtOttobot wii u does have fun and unique ways to play, but their probably to colorful for the people who like black browns and red.
"Moan moan moan, we want boring old ways to work at 100%ing Assassin's Creed games"...
Is that what some of you really want? Then buy a XS4.
I really hope its a central platform that will play the same games on a tv console and a portable unit. The two units could be bought together or seperately. Which would basically be a wii u with a portable gamepad that plays games that you'd normally only get on 3ds or wii u.. Imagine pokemon being on this! Not much of a console guy/girl? Just buy the portable unit which shares the same library. The console would come with a standard pro style controller but the portable could be used as one as well. This seems like it could happen but I'll have to wait till 2016. I really do hope it has specs that will equal or surpass PS4 or X1.
Nintendo going their own way again! That just means no third party support and a bleak future for Nintendo in the console market.
Just give us a powerfull Nintendo console that has the right architecture for easy ports. That way we can enjoy big N games and the GTA's of the world.
For the first time since the Snes I won't be buying the next console day 1, I'll take a very weary approach. No third party = no purchase from me.
These guys are so good at saying a lot without really saying anything.
@NinjaWaddleDee Power? Third parties? That's what PCs are for.
Like always: As long as "fun new ways" does not equal "gimmicky" I'm all for it. The stick on the N64...fun and new...and important for the industry. Streetpass. Fun and new and not mandatory. Wagglewaggle and forced second screen integration...not so. I hope they finally understand that.
@Yorumi If you are talking about not going onto mobile devices, that was the view of Iwata, and he stated that many times. It in no way reflected the thoughts and wishes of the shareholders. They are the ones who ultimately have the power to move a company in a certain direction.
@Dr_Corndog Exactly, which is why I have a Wii U and a gaming PC. Of course it would be great to have some extra third parties on board. However, I look at the majority of the AAA titles on the other 2 consoles, and none of them have lived up to the massive hype behind them.
So they a are still going full third party? Here's the answer to your post on the other article.
Not so sure Nintendo knowingly lied. Is there some evidence you have? If you are talking about mobile devices, Iwata was in continual discussions with DeNA for 5 years. The DeNA interview suggested that it was from their desire not Nintendo's.
Furthermore, there was a progression from back-end systems and accounts up to DeNA saying there really should be games with this. For all we know that happened recently in a way that convinced Iwata.
Iwata also stated that there will be mobile presence from Nintendo and couldn't rule out games in some small capacity even when he was distancing himself from mobile as a platform overall. In other words, it sounds secretive, but not like a lie at all. Just evolving business decisions.
Wii Remotes are still a great idea, IMO. In fact, I prefer the comfort of a Wii Remote and nunchuck most of the time. Motion Plus made it much more flexible and responsive, as well. There were severe mistakes in how Nintendo responded to the initial stunning success and I think it misinterpreted it and it ultimately caused a lot of damage, but the "gimmick" nature of it came from the software choices more than the hardware, IMO.
The GamePad is an ergonomic mistake as they tried too hard to make if act as a tablet at the same time, but the second screen is still a great idea. Cost problems, messaging problems, etc. leave us in a horrible boat, but again, it's no gimmick, IMO.
XB1 and PS4 have the standard stuff, why make another? I want competitive hardware and third parties, too, but, IMO, Nintendo should try and make fun new ways to play and not limit themselves to the same methods of interaction everyone else is.
If Nintendo had decided to go mobile in 2010, there would have been games for the last 4 years. If they didn't decide back then, they haven't been lying for 5 years. You are really jumping to conclusions here, in my estimation.
I think you have to accept that nintendo can't magically bring over third parties as long as you don't buy their games. I always read about gimped ports and stuff while i really had no problems with them. The thing is for most of last generation PS3 had these "gimped ports" (worse frame rates and stuff) compared to XBOX 360 yet people bought the games. This didn't happen on Wii U so there you go. I also think it makes no sense to speculate too much about NX until we get some hard facts.
Please no more gimmicks...
Funny to see all the hate still towards wii u and the gamepad. Well, the gamepad is why I play my wii u more then any other console. My PS3 is a dark souls machine. I only want a ps4 for bloodborne and uncharted, which is a year away. My Wii u and 3ds are my 6 of 7 night a week method for gaming. My pc is used occasionally but less and less. My iPad is for hearthstone only. With all the awesome games on wii u, I don't know why people complain. My only complaint is that the gamepad doesn't have enough range around my house, and there is no dark souls on wii u.
modernizing is more important than gimmicks at this point Nintendo. I hope they read comments and forums... probably not
Every time someone says Nintendo needs to focus on power and third parties a Pit or Palutena loses its wings. I don't want to see Nintendo cater to the lowest common denominator of developers. Nintendo has basically never led the industry in power specs, even in the glory days of NES and SNES. What makes Nintendo unique is that it excels at game design and maximizing the use of its own hardware.
And third parties are important, but they are a byproduct of having the rest of the package be successful. Nintendo doesn't need to scale back its own development just because the system owners like their games better than third parties' games.
The formula for success is elusive, but it's somewhere near a combination of the right level of power balanced with the right price point, interesting software/UI, and generating consumer interest through hype and advertising. This idea of just making a PS5 and putting Mario, Zelda , and a Nintendo logo on it is the kind of nonsense Internet commenters throw out because it's the stuff people in the IGN comments section troll about. It's a follow-on to the idea that controllers were perfected in the Gamecube/PS2/XBox era and basically nothing should change because it's what these self-identified "gamers" on the Internet are used to. I fundamentally disagree with this line of thinking, and I hope Nintendo does too.
"marriage of the software with the hardware that together creates a compelling experience."
This quote frightens me. I really hope that doesn't mean the end of retail games...
@Donutman Yeah,same here. My Wii U gets the lion's share of my game time while the XBONE gets used far less frequently. The range of the gamepad could be better but apart from that it's great.
@FragRed But it makes no sense in the light of leaks we are getting recently. Free-form screens from Sharp, then AMD spilling the beans over a low-power APU for Nintendo. It's LOW-POWER chip, for mobile devices. If they make a home console with it, it will be underpowered compared to PS4 and XBO, so that would absolutely make no sense. So I'm betting on a handheld.
@Kifa I thought the chip that was leaked, though never said whom it was for, but I agree it has to be Nintendo, was a x86 chip, the same sort as used in both PlayStation 4 and Xbox One (which are both mobile chips)
@FragRed I agree with you. They most likely will try to make 5yrs out of it and should but.....one could argue it possibly could be shorter. After all Wii U is quite possibly their most struggling console to date.
AKA How Nintendo has described literally every system they've made in the last 15 years
@Purple I don't know if Nintendo wants to pull a Sega, and potentially piss off a huge number of people who have purchased a Wii U, especially those who have done so within the last few months. I mean, look how crazy people are going already and nothing is getting revealed till next year.
@earthboundlink I wish there was a way to like posts... I agree with you 100%. It's not Nintendo, its Sony/MSFT who are the problem. They haven't changed their controller for 3 generations and now people believe it should never change... I like that Nintendo tries something new every single time. If no one ever tries anything new, how are things to improve? If 10 years ago, you told me that everyone would have phones in their pockets that had no buttons at all, I would have a hard time believing you. I applaud companies who are willing to try new things. I for one do not want Nintendo to make a "normal" controller as their main.
Maybe fun new ways to play means it'll play blu-ray
Love it! This is exactly what I wants to hear. Very excited!
It's been a long, beautiful ride, Nintendo. And I will always love you. But this is where I get off.
@Artwark There's no way it will show up next year. It has to come out 2017. The Wii U has at least two years left to go. Get a Wii U, it has many great games and will continue to gave many great games.
I do think for their next console's controller have something similar to the Wii U Pro controller with some adjustments. Though now I am only focused on the Wii U and what it will offer in the future.
Something larger is afoot here. It's no coincident that the DeNA deal and NX where announced at the same time. This is a huge shift that contradicts what we have been hearing all along. The big N has something up their sleeve that I predict well hit stores November 2017...
@Dr_Corndog Seriously. Not everyone cares about PC gaming. That's no excuse.
"It's Nintendo's job to create new platforms that enable us to create fun new ways to play."
@MetalSamus The only reason Nintendo mentioned NX already is to counter the fear (often voiced here) that by doing stuff for mobile, Nintendo would abandon the hardware branch of their company, i'm pretty sure that if they didn't feel they had to counterbalance their mobile efforts, Nintendo would have happily kept NX a secret for a while longer...
I agree. They had to do that. I still think there is some coalition between the two that will be revealed.
Even Nintendo doesn't know what the next system will be - yet!
Nintendo announced NX now just to confirm that they are not abandoning the tradition of making their proprietary hardware for their proprietary games.
"We will not merely port games developed for our dedicated systems to smart devices just as they are — we will develop brand new software which perfectly matches the play style and control mechanisms of smart devices.”
The ultimate goal: to drive tablet and phone users to Nintendo’s hardware such that they “eventually become fans of our dedicated systems.”"
The thing about NX being the "marriage of the software with the hardware that together creates a compelling experience" is what Nintendo has ALWAYS done. So they've revealed no actual details of the next hardware yet.
@akaDv8R Well yeah, you'll still need hardware to tap into what NX will provide. There may be a base NX system for those who don't already have the Wii U, but it seems to me that Nintendo is working to completely redefine how video games are being played, especially in terms of cross-platform access.
Please no more new ways to play... please just release a good powerful console... i like the old way, thanks....
@aaronsullivan @Yorumi There are multiple articles detailing the meeting of Iwata and Moriyasu, here is another example:
An excerpt from this article: "Iwata first met DeNA President Isao Moriyasu in 2010, and Mr. Moriyasu has been "very passionate" about collaborating with Nintendo ever since. Although Iwata has seemed against putting Nintendo games on smart devices in the past, he now says he was waiting for a time when Nintendo was ready to create products that were both high quality (as is Nintendo's standard) and "ever-evolving," and with DeNA's help, he believes this can be done in a way that will attract hundreds of millions of customers."
This is not all, though. On DeNA's own website, their report explains the economic reasoning for their secured partnership:
From DeNA's own report, quote:
"Nintendo and DeNA also plan to develop an online membership service that is accessible from smart devices, PC and Nintendo systems, such as the Nintendo 3DS portable system and the Wii U home console. The membership service, which is targeted to launch in the fall of 2015, will be built on DeNA's extensive experience and capabilities in online membership services."
This is going to be Nintendo's method of building their online services from here onwards. It is also going to critically affect Nintendo's current and future consoles. In other words, these operations will be built upon DeNA's model of operations, not Nintendo's.
Another important quote:
"As part of the long-term relationship and commitment by each company, Nintendo and DeNA have also agreed to form a capital alliance. Under the capital alliance, Nintendo will acquire 15,081,000 of DeNA's treasury shares, which corresponds to 10.00 percent of its total outstanding stock, for a total of approximately 22 billion yen. DeNA will simultaneously acquire 1,759,400 of Nintendo's treasury shares, which corresponds to 1.24 percent of its outstanding stock, for a total of approximately 22 billion yen. The payment is due April 2, 2015."
This deal is moving forward very quickly after the beginning of their upcoming fiscal year, now that it has been decided upon. This is a huge investment on Nintendo's part, deliberated over for years. One might notice that the investment Nintendo and DeNA have made is reported as being equal to each other, at the equivalent of 22 billion yen each.
However, another important couple of documents also come from DeNA's own website:
This is a summary of the economic reasoning for Nintendo's and DeNA's capital alliance, which includes the previously alluded "Joint development of a new multi-device membership service” which will merge the service on Nintendo's dedicated consoles with a new one directed by DeNA, built for PC's and smartphone/tablet devices. It's also interesting to note that each company's total capital is listed, both at about 10 billion yen... with DeNA currently having a few hundred million more yen in capital than Nintendo right now.
Finally, there is another important document, which goes into great detail about the statistics and numbers behind the deal, again from DeNA's own website:
I believe that disseminating and cross-examining this information with past information would tell a greater story behind all of this.
@bizcuthammer What happens if the hardware is easy to develop for and more powerful than the PS4 and third parties STILL bail? What if they refuse, no matter how much Nintendo begs because of lack of software sales for their games?
That's the thing, people keep telling Nintendo they need to get 3rd parties on board to attract other gamers outside of the Nintendo fanbase, but will it actually attract them? I honestly am leaning towards no. Why should those people switch to Nintendo when they can already get those multiplats on their Xbox/PlayStation? Even if NX had identical guts to the PS5, that doesn't mean people are gonna switch over, regardless of how many multiplats it has.
If those people don't switch despite advertising efforts from Nintendo, expect 3rd parties to immediately jump ship from the NX. They don't care how powerful the NX is - if their games don't sell on the platform, they'll jump ship.
Now how does Nintendo attract these other gamers? Well, clearly their own games aren't enough. They need high-profile 3rd party EXCLUSIVES. Multiple of them. Obviously, this is a risk, as it might just result in pissing them off (think Bayo 2 reaction times a million) and they'll port beg and boycott those 3rd parties until the games are brought to Xbox/PlayStation. Seriously, did you see how many death threats they sent to Kamiya and Platinum Games over Bayo 2? That stuff was crazy.
If that reaction happens, then there is absolutely nothing Nintendo can do but pray that Sony and Microsoft royally screw up from here on out with PS4/XB1 (coughbroken/disappointinggamescough).
As for the online services, most of it will be fixed with the membership service from DeNA. Voice chat, flexible price points on the eShop, and dedicated servers are another thing though.
Ultimately, I think there is a very real possibility that the NX will still sell like the Wii U even though the 3rd party support and online issues are fixed.
@akaDv8R Do you know why those third party games are not living up to the hype? Because they are all rehashes of the same ideas that have been recycled for decades now, but with more bloom lighting, more particle effects, longer draw distances, and generalized eye candy. The concepts are losing their lustre because their novelty has worn out, and we're no longer captivated by more polygons.
That is why win or lose, the industry needs Nintendo to help push forward. Not all their ideas are big winners, but at least they try new things. Third parties are pathologically averse to new ideas, and it seems MS and Sony are happy to accommodate that complacency. Nintendo is almost the only non-Indie player in this industry that likes to break out of the bonds of what we used to do, which is ironic considering how much they still do with their extensive back catalog.
Seeing as the other companies don't stray too far from what made their previous consoles a success I guess Nintendo pretty much has to try to invent new ways to play, or else the industry will just become stagnant. No one else is going to do it until they show it can be a success, the perfect examples being the Wii and Sony's attempt at the market with the Move.
Have we or have we not heard this before?
I will be awaiting the articles detailing the new joint membership service DeNA will be heading for Nintendo, reportedly due this autumn... Which will change the environment of 3DS and Wii U into DeNA's model, while being the basis for NX's OS and online infrastructure, and the DeNA smartphone/tablet game designs...
@Yorumi Hilarious thing with that was people crucifying Miyamoto for refusing to make a new F-Zero until they find a control method that makes it ambitious. Just releasing a new F-Zero game that does the same thing as before but in HD and online is the definition of a rehashed safe sequel in terms of game design (not safe at all business-wise). People wanted an unambitious, rehashed safe sequel F-Zero.
Nice compilation of articles and illustrates how Iwata and Nintendo were most interested in the network infrastructure for most of the time they were negotiating. Then mobile games eventually made sense and helped seal the deal.
I read articles about the back-end membership here on nintendo life already. :/ One of the editorials went into it quite a bit, too. The timeframe of Fall I didn't see. It will be fascinating to see more details though.
@Yorumi what lie are you talking about? You have to give me a specific quote or something now because you are pointing to evidence for the opposite. :/
I read a lot of comments saying "more power, no gimmicks, third parties, etc." but actually I don't understand. First, "fun new ways to play" can mean anything cause it's kinda the standard way to describe any new product. Second, "it's what they said about the Wii U" as some of you say, ain't necessarily a bad thing because of, you know, games (which I guess are the reason why people buy a console, or at least should be). Obviously I'd like to have 3rd party games on my Wii U as much as you do, but I barely have the time to play the games I already own and they're amazing. Of course Nintendo could adopt a more common architecture in order for the NX to be more "3rd party-friendly" but even then it might not be enough for them to get on board. But in the end, I can't complain about the games I have played on my DS, Wii, 3DS and Wii U, despite their "gimmicks" (as you call them). Actually it's them who got me choosing them, because I appreciate the fact that they tried to change gaming. Of course they haven't gotten everything right so far and I feel they haven't expressed all the potential these consoles offered and still offer, but at least they tried to do something new instead of rehashing the same experience as ever. Personally I don't want "to play the old way"; I'd like to see gaming as a whole evolve, and not only in the number of polygons on the screen or buttons on the pad.
I wish Nintendo would do a worldwide Direct that explains the NX and smart device gaming. It would clear up any misconceptions and provide peace of mind for the Wii U and 3DS.
@Yorumi I don't get it either. They clearly weren't decided "all along" according to the account of the DeNA CEO. You previously claimed they were lying for 5 years. If they were, where are the games for the last few years since their mind has been made up. What is this scenario? The involvement between the two companies was DeNA begging Nintendo to let them use their IP, Nintendo resisting but being interested in DeNA's experience with online infrastructure. I also remember Iwata talking long ago about mobile app development and not ruling out some games but in a limited way. So I'm just wondering what Iwata said exactly that has you so accusatory.
On top of all that, this deal just recently finalized, so nothing was final. Iwata was always talking about their current plans and of course plans could change. Doesn't mean anyone lied.
While i hope we get some new ip for the new console Id also like to see nintendo try n revamp some of their past titles.Somethig like a 3d startropics where you explore tropical Islands in sunny HD or hogans alley reinvented as an open world prohibition era game.Sure it's unlikely but I think some different games like that mixed in with the big hitters (mario,zelda etc) could help attract folk who aren't necessarily interested enough in the big N's current offerings to buy hardware while still appealing to the loyal fanbase.
On a related note I reckon a touchscreen based version of flingsmash would be perfect for mobile its gameplay seems made for casual type play and it sold around 400k which isn't bad for an unestablished ip that recieved mixed/negative reviews,failing that Id happily take endless Mach rider.
@aaronsullivan I missed that one! Thanks for the correction. I look forward to seeing more details, myself. I'm guessing they're still being planned out right now. There is a lot of information being revealed over a short period of time!
@Syrek24 Lol you make me laugh. Someone criticizes Nintendo and you act like they hate them. And the these so called "safe sequels" are of a much higher quality than what you will find on the Xbox One or PS4 is just your opinion. And I disagree with it too. I had a Wii U since launch and I was extremely bored with it. I played through NSMBU, 3D World, Pikmin 3, Mario Kart 8, Smash Bros, etc, and I got bored with them. The third party support is basically nonexistent and the Wii U lacks online in most of the first party games and for the games that do have online, they don't have voice chat. (Splatoon) And I was fed up with Nintendo's ridiculous decisions like the fact that there is still region lock and no universal account system. So I ended up trading it for a PS4. I don't regret that decision at all and I've basically played it every day since I got it unlike the times where I would turn on my Wii U and sit there for like 20 minutes deciding what to play before I end up turning it back off. And some times it didn't get turned on for weeks. I'm really hoping that with the NX, they finally realize the mistakes they've been making and GET IT RIGHT. What you just said is another reason why the Wii U is doing poorly. The fans such as yourself don't bother telling Nintendo what mistakes they've made. You just sit there and deal with everything they throw at you because you believe Nintendo has the best games. They didn't even bring the standard New 3DS to North America and some of you guys actually defended that! If they didn't bring the New 3DS or the XL over here you'd probably defend that too! You guys have to open your eyes. Nintendo's not perfect. Even they realize that they needed to change. You guys have to change too.
@Yorumi Every system has a gimmick. Every. Single. One. Not just Nintendo's.
@Syrek24 So anyone who says anything negative on Nintendo or anything,is a less of a gamer in your eyes?Wow if you can't deal negativity towards Nintendo,i would recommend you to get off the Internet.And about the @Yorumi comment about personal attacks,you said it yourself "The reason why I targeted you specifically is because you embody what I see in most gamers these days."Isn't that a personal attack?
They would actually have to try really hard to make it less powerful than the PS4 XB1 as that tech is already old. Its probably really obvious what they will bring out the rumour mill should hide what there doing pretty well
They would actually have to try really hard to make it less powerful than the PS4 XB1 as that tech is already old. Its probably really obvious what they will bring out the rumour mill should hide what there doing pretty well
@Syrek24 A good quote by an economist E. F. Schumacher is "Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius—and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction. ".
I think that suitably be applied the current market both 7th gen and 8th generation. The PS4, X1 approach is something that follows this(however user interface/demand is simplified while the games become more complex) yet so far hasn't really brought about any new type of gameplay as a result of the tech boost. It's mostly humdrum trend following games that makes event unrelated retail software from different companies(especially shooters) feel extremely familiar in terms of gameplay. The "advantage" of this tech is the beautification of the same kind of games, yet even this falls through when performance is sacraficed for these visuals. A number of the 8th gen only games don't even have a stable 30 FPS frame rate and release unpolished and bug filled .The freshest, polished, and most inventive on those two platforms are smaller indie games that don't even require a console as powerful to actually run them.
I think the current problem with the console market is that people are fooling themselves into thinking tech boosts alone are actually what they actually want. In the past the spec boosts were desirable and largely allowed certain new types of gameplay(and therefore different ways to have fun or enjoy software) to arise, this isn't really the case now outside of Virtual Reality. I think placing so much importance on specs is largely misguided in the long run and isn't going to lead to better games.
Conversely the DS and Nintendo Wii were the genius approach. I think people don't really give enough credit to the fact Nintendo focused on producing two entirely new ways to play and add to gameplay as their main draw sacraficing specs to keep a suitable price, especially the DS which had the biggest chance of all to backfire on Nintendo.
After all of this week's news, Nintendo really needs to have a Nintendo Direct for what's coming now for Wii U and 3DS. With the release date for Puzzle & Dragons revealed, we now have an idea of what's coming, and when, from now until E3 for 3DS. We don't when it comes to Wii U. We also have little to no idea what's in store for the 3DS post-E3.
Then comes the announcement of their E3 plans in April.
@Superstick So you're problem with the Wii U is kids screaming at you because you're a "heaker", and something that is stupid at this point because they only have 2 systems? Not to mention you also dislike Nintendo because the didn't release the normal N3DS which is something that is so stupid to complain about at this point because the New 3DS barely adds anything new and you're fine with a normal 3DS, don'r even get me started on the people that actually want the normal N3DS for freaking faceplates. Also, Nintendo don't have that many 3rd parties (and it hurts me to say this) because people like you don't buy them. Have you the sells of most of the 3rd party games on the Wii U? I see why you bought the PS4...
"Just make powerful hardware with sufficent media storage. That's why the NES & SNES were successful."
You're kidding right? The NES had literally ZERO storage capacity. Most game progress could not be saved, which is why you had passwords that would take you to a set point in the game, i.e. Mike Tyson's Punch-Out. Games that could be saved were contained within that game's cartridge and maintained by a battery within the cartridge itself. I'm pretty sure all of the cartridge based systems were that way (SNES, N64) as they didn't introduce a proper file management system until the GC. N64 had a memory expansion pack but I'm pretty sure that was only to increase processing power as games like Perfect Dark could not be played without it. It was not to increase storage capacity for save files.
NES and SNES were successful because they delivered innovative ways to play games (light zapper, R.O.B., super scope, power glove, track&field pad that you ran on, etc) and the games themselves were great. Even the D-pad on the standard controller was light years ahead of what the Atari (regular joystick) and Coleco (a telephone/remote control abomination) had.
Nintendo still innovates and still produces amazing software but consumers' expectations have risen in terms of what they want from their console and Nintendo has failed to meet the demands of today's standard gamer. I'm certain Nintendo will carry on their tradition of innovation and quality but they do need to acknowledge these demands (better processing specs, OS [for easy 3rd party developer programming], online network capabilities, unified consumer accounts) if the NX is going to be successful.
While I don't doubt that Nintendo will make fun games I find it hard to get excited about a new platform. Its going to be hard for me to justify buying another one of their systems just for a few really good first party titles.
There's only one thing I care about for nintendo's NX. They better have a gamecube controller get the console when I buy it. Cause I don't got time for some chase around the world just to get one of those things.
NES cartridges could hold up to 1MB of data, which is not 0. If NES games had "zero storage capacity", then the games wouldn't exist.
And the NES and SNES were not successful for those reasons. They were successful because of the hardware and the games.
@Chaoz I don't dislike Nintendo. I've been a Nintendo fan for a long time now. I dislike Nintendo fanboys. (Well, I dislike all fanboys but I despise Nintendo fanboys the most) Let's just put it this way. My main issue about the Wii U is the lack of third party games. I sold it because it did not have all the games I wanted to play. And as for the New 3DS, you can think whatever you want about it, but I still have the right to complain about it.
*They didn't get the games I wanted to play.
*They didn't give me the handheld I wanted.
So I didn't buy the New 3DS XL and I quit supporting Nintendo products. Those are only two reasons but there are a lot more issues I had with them before. It's a long story. I think you get my point though. I still do care about Nintendo and I'm interested in the NX. And I'm hoping that whatever it is, it can get me back on board. I'll gladly support them again if they fix the problems. (If I really didn't care about Nintendo, I would not be visiting this site at all)
EDIT: And another thing. About 3/4 of my Wii U library was made up of third party games. I was one of the people that actually supported the games. In fact, if I still had my Wii U, I would support Devil's Third. It's more than likely not going to sell that well...
@remobit Actually, that brings up an interesting thing: the Wii U uses USB 2.0. If the NX (assuming it's a home console) uses USB 3.0, Nintendo might have to release a new adapter or something.
"Introducing the new GameCube Controller Adapter Adapter, available exclusively through eBay"
@DoctorWily Memory Paks could be loaded into the back of the N64 controller to increase data storage options for many games, several of which made extensive use of this feature. Interact also offered the DexDrive as a 3rd party option to fully manage data storage for all N64 titles. You could even manage the files on a PC and share them with others through the internet!
@IceClimbers Thankfully, USB 3.0 is backwards compatible with 2.0, so hopefully the adapter will still work!
I really like the direction nintendo is taking. The're moderizing. I hope when the NX is announced it can be full of everything the wii u could've been and more. Get some 3rd party games plus Nintendo IPs could get them back into direct compatition with sony/microsoft.
@AlexSora89 double the power+their amazing skill at optimizing game (i.e. Smash 4 Wii U) and the next console Sony and M$ make (if they make another one) would be like comparing a C64 to a N64.
@PlywoodStick Good! Though that does make sense - if 3.0 wasn't backwards compatible, the backlash would've been ridiculous as hundreds of millions of USB cords become useless without spending money on a converter haha.
Honestly hope they stop with the whole ''new ways to play'' craze that's been plaguing Nintendo since the Wii. Ever since then, they wonder how you'll play the game instead of making the game fun and the experience memorable. Certain series aren't getting new installments just because they can't think of how to use the damned controller for it. Enough! Go back to GameCube-style controllers and we're good.
@Superstick OK I am sorry but that is totally the most ridiculous comment I have seen here heck it even surpasses what that other dude does. I am totally the same with Sony and MS. Right after the PS2 IMO sony has really started to bomb. I have a PS3 right now and the only game I have is Sonic Generations because there is literally nothing to play just movies that have death violence and more death. My brother and I do not have a PS4 and we might never get one because again there is nothing for us to play. He plays more on my Wii U than the PS3 and he is a PS fan. I talked to my brother the other day and he said out of the entire library of games he wants he only wants 1 game for his Xbox One he has never touched it his friends are similar to him. Destiny burnt him out and the hype for some of the games is gone. I don't agree with some of the decisions that Nintendo has made like with the N3DS regular model not bringing it here to the US and also the region locking lastly with the charging cables. And those games you have mentioned I have been having a blast with them and more to come on Wii U. Sooner or later you guys are going to feel how my brother is feeling just burnt out by those buggy games that he can beat in less than 4 to 5 hours.
@EngieBengie Agreed. That's exactly how they should do it.
@Superstick oh and the things that are third parties are doing is what is actually a recipe for a heart attack for the gaming industry. They are those big giant hamburgers that are sapping with fat.
@AlexSora89 How many times do we have to explain this to you guys? Even if Nintendo were jump in to all that power specs Mumbo-Jumbo that will not bring third party support. Nintendo could make the most powerful console in the entire planet third parties will still refuse they don't really care about specs they care only about money. They go where the money goes and they are not making any especially spending ridiculous amounts just to advertise one game. The only way for Nintendo to get more of those games over is to go and bribe them with money which I highly doubt Nintendo were to do such a thing.
You want to try to redefine gaming with every system, fine, but don't do it at the expense of the raw graphics and processing power of the system. It's what turned developers and players away from the Wii U. Make your money off of the software don't build the systems as cheap as you think you can get away with so you can get a high profit margin off of their sales.
Don't have ridiculous online restrictions no other system has. Stuff like Friend Codes HAS TO STOP. No open lobbies in Smash 4 is TERRIBLE. Parental restrictions as an option is ENOUGH, it' up to parents to decide what's right for their kids it's not Nintendo's job.
And have an account based digital purchasing system!
When he says fun new ways to play for this next console if it is, I hope it's not a gimmick. Sometimes the gimmicks are fun and I'm fine with motion controlled but they really should be optional. So let's hope they don't just go gimmicks all the way so that we can get some third party games cuz the wii u didn't do such a great job with 3rd parties. PLEASE NINTENDO!
People are talking crap when it comes to third party games! Nintendo always had many third party games am they always sold well. This changed with the wii because it was underpowered so the aaa games couldn't get a port. With the wii u third party games didn't sell because they were largely bad ports of old games or low quality.
If nintendo release the correct console with a controller system that people know how to program for I'm sure third parties would come flooding back to nintendo.
But what's more likely now is nintendo continuing down this road of "go it alone" which will just result in them losing more of their loyal customers, without pulling new gamers into nintendo. I fear for the company because they seem to make one stupid mistake after another.
So many sad sacks on this site.
Seriously though - all third party bridges with Nintendo have been burnt.
So what if the Wii U did not sell? The issues were clear - the gaming public in large formed a hate bandwagon - primarily due to the low res 480p resistive touch screen and low power - a tri core and only 2gb ram for core gamers - very backwards design tut tut.
Nintendo harmed themselves with a series of fumbled reveals, no marketing, silence through months of heavy criticism, no big first party games at launch, limp Eshop lineup, limited and pathetic VC, originally slow and buggy OS, and poor dev kits leaving third parties in the lurch.
The Wii U really was a calamity of errors on the PR front however Nintendo have sustained it with excellent games.
I think if they made this system with the same graphics capability of the PS4 and XONE, have it play CD and BLURAY, have a little more special features to it that the others don't, have a regular controller and have it as a console and handheld combined (which then all of their staff can work on more games to not have a drought), I think they could be fine then. They first need to make it, show it off and hopefully get third parties to support it first. Have those third parties develop some exclusives for the system (not just party games), create some core M-rated games for the older kids that play only them, create some good sports titles, shooters, action and adventure, strategy and simulation games, and then also have nintendo make a strong few games to release with the system (Zelda, F-Zero, Metroid and a Mario adventure), I think that then they could maintain themselves, and have a popular demand for the system on day one of it's release. I remember that the Wii would not stay on store shelves, and it was almost 2 years later that you would start to see them on the shelves instead of an empty space. I remember long lines of people waiting for PS2 and WII, but they can't just stop doing anything with the Wii U at the moment, or they affect losing more fans. The only thing I do hate about nintendo is that when they are making a new console, they seem to stop making games for their current systems one year prior. Gamecube had only a few...I mean a few...games come out it's final year, and N64 had only a few and the Wii had nothing. I hope they don't do this with the 3DS and Wii U, unless it means that they are creating something good!
Nintendo NX is a bag of LEGO's, I'm calling it.
Actually, it's been plaguing Nintendo since the N64. As have the highly questionable hardware design choices and difficulties in keeping 3rd parties on board.
Granted, the N64 controller had a feature that ultimately took off--but Sony upstaged it almost immediately with the first dual-analog set-up. But Nintendo's asinine hardware choices--namely the use of expensive cartridges--and the odd-ball limitations of the N64, which had severely limited texture memory, helped turn off developers and consumers.
The Wii is just the moment when this bizarre thinking worked--sort of. They had sales, but that was it. In every other way over that generation, the Xbox 360 was the true leader. The Wii was just a gimmick which sold quickly, and then died almost as quickly.
I'm all for new ways to play, I just need Nintendo to prove their new concept and go all in. I love my Wii U but it's concept has still yet to be proven...
Does this mean I shouldn't get a WiiU?
It's kinda early for them to make a new system, I hope it's not a WiiU replacement.
@Quorthon I don't understand why the cartridges are always seen as just a negative. Sure they where more expensive and could hold much less data but they where fast and durable. I couldn't stand playing Playstation for the most part because you where frequently staring at loading screens (or those "cool" animations while changing rooms in Resident Evil). And you're right. The japanese third parties apart from Konami ignored the N64 for the most part but it had quite good western third party support (Acclaim, UBI, EA) and especially Acclaim was at its best during the N64 era (my personal opinion).
@icedude545 I was about to post this lol
@Superstick byeee, we all know you'll be creaming over NX when it gets released, stop the bs
I agree with all others that say "new ways to play" should come secondary to getting the power and traditional controls right first.
Nintendo need to realise that they don't need to reinvent the wheel every time. Xbox, 360, X1, PS2, PS3, PS4 are all proof of that, largely sticking to what works.
Instead they cling onto Yamauchi's old quotes about 'having to be different from all the rest' just for the sake of it.
I'd love a powerful Nintendo console with a "normal" controller to play new Zelda's, Metroid's and Mario's.
As it is I fear for the future of the company. Even though they have promised to continue traditional console development, the extra resources taken from their workforce to work on smart device games and QoL is taking away from the console business. One in which they are struggling to produce enough games for Wii U/3DS as it is.
@Yorumi But what made these games that big? The FMV's. I still think these were the primary reason the Playstation got that successful because they could wow people more than the ingame graphics. I didn't play FF9 but I wouldn't say that FF7 and FF8 where bigger / longer than OOT for example.
I can't believe how many comments are "Nintendo needs to do what I want, not what they want." I don't understand this generation, Nintendo isn't perfect by any means but they're the only company that continually attempts to disrupt the industry and create new standards. Ps3/4 XB1/360 is more of the same. I will eventually purchase ps4 and XB1 but the games they have are not the ones I wish to play. Prettier graphics and more polygons hasn't impressed me since the Gamecube era. Good gameplay has always been the most important factor to me and Nintendo brings it consistently. Watching movies for games and over used QTE have become standard and they bore the heck out of me. If I want to watch a movie I'll put an actual movie on. That doesn't mean that I'm opposed to story in games, the Last of Us had the most amazing story of any videos game. I didn't enjoy the game play and controls, forcing me to play right handed shooting controls is a pet peeve of mine. Before anyone wants to comment about it, try playing CoD with the opposite handed controls and the comment. One final thing, whatever happened to "if you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all." I can't believe the amount of negativity I read online, constructive criticism is quite rare. Usually you're reading some insult about how you're an idiot for liking Nintendo or Sony or Microsoft. Gamers as a whole need to grow up already
@Yorumi You're right, I was generalizing too much. I spent more time finishing OOT than FF7 and 8 but that will surely vary between gamers. I also believe that there were games where the space was used to put much content into the game (Gran Turismo springs to my mind). But especially the Wing Commander games used most of the space for FMV's. The core game could surely been ported to N64-yet without the videos it would have lost most of its appeal. That's also the biggest problem with C&C on N64.
@Nintendobro That's alright. I can understand that. Everyone has different tastes. I had fun with those games too but they got boring to me because they were the only games that are releasing. Nintendo games do not offer me the same type of experience that some third party games like GTA V (which is currently my most played game on the PS4) do. And I like racing and fighting games too. Mario Kart 8 was fun but after I beat all the cups, there wasn't anything else I wanted to do. I tried playing it with my friends but they were bored of it as well. Smash Bros was probably by far my most played Wii U game, but I had got burnt out on that because I played the 3DS version way more before the Wii U version released and after playing SSBB for all those years, the new one wasn't different to keep my attention. I felt that the Wii U was not for me because the next few games that are going to release was not worth the wait. I was definitely not going to buy Mario Party 10. If I bought Splatoon, I feel like it would've been fun but only for a little while. I want to say I'm interested in Xenoblade Chronicles, but I'm just not. It doesn't seem like my type of RPG. The game I DO want is Zelda U. I know for a fact THAT'S going to be worth a purchase. But it's only one game out of all the other Nintendo games that I really want. But, since I do own a PS4 now, I have the third party situation covered, and eventually I might get another Wii U. Probably not anytime soon, but if there's ever enough that interests me again. If not, I'll wait for the NX.
This is really a good time for Nintendo. They're constantly evolving and have new ideas. They are acting like the market leader with all the announcements and expectations. Very good times.
@Scizor711 Whatever you say!
@Quorthon Indeed. They should just make a controller like the Wii U Pro Controller as the main one you'll use for games and then keep something like the Wii U GamePad as some sort of peripheral or secondary controller. Either way, I'm pretty tired of the ''Fun new ways to play thing'' and just wish they focus on making game fun. Like, it's annoying like hell. Nintendo is very stubborn to persist doing this just to not be like Sony or Microsoft.
@Yorumi The Wii's implementation did make sense for the most part. People just don't want motion controls. The Wii Remote greatly enhanced shooter controls for example, by having you aim it like a gun, but you don't see AAA developers taking advantage of it anymore, they're back to using Control Sticks to aim.
@Ryno That's pretty much every business person, ever. Not saying that to be funny, either.
@drumsandperc92 I half disagree....The traditional controller is a bit of a let-down in terms of accuracy and sensitivity. Analog is terrible, and requires programmers to work in things like aim assists.
In my ideal version, Valve partners with Nintendo. Valve's controller and matchmaking services add to Nintendo's motion peripherals, brand, games and console experience. Developers get cross-platform portability, players get a 'more traditional' buttons-style controller with analog-replacements that offer mouse-quality precision and better online play.
Would never happen, though while we're at it....half-life 3 is released as a launch title for their onlive-esque game streaming service 5 years later, which makes console upgrades irrelevant for anyone with a broadband connection.
@EngieBengie Lol. Because wheres the fun in that?
Why be like the other 2 companies where gaming sucks balls. I know people who own a PS4 & XBONE so I ask what do you play? Many tell me they play assassins creed, 2k Badketball, FIFA, Battlefield, C.O.D., & a few exclusives. & that's for BOTH SYSTEMS!
So.....you want NINTENDO to build a more powerful system only to ..........be like Sony & M$? Only to play the exact SAME GAMES I just mentioned?
& please. Y'all can stop calling the wiimote & gamepad gimmicky. Those controllersa are fun. A hell of alot more fun than those ragedy ass PS4 controllers & those Xbone stiff as a dil-doe D pad controllers.
Did you even read my post? I mentioned storage in cartridges. Your quote implied storage in the NES itself, not the cartridges. Your reply basically says exactly what I said. "Just make powerful hardware with sufficent media storage. That's why the NES & SNES were successful." was your quote, not mine.
@DoctorWily Did you even read my post? I never said the NES had a hard drive, I said, "media storage", that means a cartridge, CD, DVD, or Blu-ray.
@DreMurf313 The fun in that is that I can enjoy these games as experiences instead of playing a tech demo to test if the control scheme works. Just because your control scheme is new or different doesn't automatically mean you're good or fun. And may I remind you that Wii U's first full year in the market was pretty similar with its droughts so yeah. This year is the year of Witcher 3, MGS V, FF XV, Batman Arkham Knight, Uncharted 4, Persona 5 and so forth, none of which are coming to Wii U. See it as the the year 2014 for the PS4 and Xbox One. This is coming from someone who, one year ago, will defend Nintendo to the death no matter what. But facts are facts. And to answer your question, yes. Yes I much rather Nintendo builds stronger and more beefier hardware rather than inventing new ways to play which will be completely abandoned next generation. That way Nintendo will get all these games from the third parties and their own games will look gorgeous as well. It's pure logic to make your next gen system stronger.
@EngieBengie ......DAMN GOOD POINT! Now here's my thing. Someone has to find "a new way to play" because being like everyone else is taking the easy way out. Because popular to contrary belief M$ & Sony's ENTERTAINMENT CENTERS are selling because they do EVERYTHING ELSE FIRST & game last! These are not merely consoles. Unlike Nintendos Approach to stand behind a gaming system first & foremost. The Wii U's first year was dismal sell wise unlike the competition who are both selling at break neck paces.
But the question is "what is Nintendo gonna do to turn things around". Well, they could just build a beefier online service (& I suspect that's happening), Advertise more for 3rd party games giving them a monster push (it still bothers me that the Wii U had one of the best games I've ever played called "WONDERFUL 101" & absolutely NO ONE has ever heard of it!! C'mon Nintendo!), & bring more mature rated games to the Wii U. They already have the controller pro if you do not want to play on the gamepad or wiimotes. This could turn many issues around for them.
But.....you know Nintendo as well as I. & they're as usual dancing to the beat of their own drum.
Maybe we can get some more bongo controlled games? Or maybe some more that require us to blow on our controller instead of just pressing a button! Or maybe just make a NORMAL F*CKING CONSOLE!!!
I really wish that Nintendo would take a slightly different approach (well really an old approach) to the next console. Back at the NES launch there were two consoles sold (eventually I think there were three). One came with R.O.B., the Zapper, two controllers and Duck Hunt/Gyromite. The second just had two controllers and Super Mario Bros. Eventually there was the one that had the two controllers, zapper, running pad and three game combo.
To use the Wii U as an example for what the NX should be released as: There should have been at launch a family model that included something like: 32GB Wii U + Nintendoland + Sing Party + Wii Remote + Microphone; and a Deluxe model that included 32GB Wii U + New Super Mario Bros. U + Nintendoland + Pro Controller. One product focuses on family gameplay and the other focuses on traditional gamers, but neither is crippled by subpar specs.
@Superstick And not everyone cares that not everyone cares about PC gaming, either.
@icedude545 There IS a mother 3
That would be funny if it's just an advanced version of the Wii mote with a camera instead of a censor bar. All the third parties jump back on board and it's the Wii all over again...
''create fun new ways to play''
So is that secret code for more crappy gimmicks?
Please Nintendo just release a console on same spec wise as PS4 or slighty better, and with a proper controller - NOT another Gamepad nonsense.
I have tried your Wii U. Bought it twice and sold it twice. I have been waiting since the Gamecube for you to release a good games console that isn't full of gimmick crap.
Do this and I will sell my PS4, and buy the NX day one.
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