In mid-January Nintendo hosted its first 'Direct' broadcasts of the year, and what seemed like improbable retailer leaks turned out to be true. North America was confirmed to be receiving a unique red New Nintendo 3DS XL - which looks rather nice - along with the black equivalent, but would not receive the smaller models as per Japan and PAL regions.
It was a busy period in which we typed until our keyboards begged for mercy, and in general our reaction to that one particular announcement was similar to that of a vocal group of others - in summary, we were confused by the decision. This writer characterised the Nintendo Directs as both "brilliant and baffling" at once - with the baffling part being the XL-only NA announcement - and the topic came up again in a broader editorial looking at the route to release of the New 3DS as a whole, in which we shared a view that it could be a huge success but had tread a rocky path to the West.
In that same article, our long-term US writer and portable enthusiast Ron DelVillano shared his personal perspective on the shenanigans with the XL, in summary expressing disappointment at the decision, but also railing against some of the reactions it had garnered online.
I'm not generally one to complain too publicly or too loudly, but Nintendo – a company that I have supported for as long as I can remember – really let me down. I couldn't imagine why the company would decide to release a console worldwide, then block North Americans access from enjoying the entire lineup. There was something that I wanted, but instead I was offered something else entirely. I spent a good amount of time on Wednesday stewing in frustration until it occurred to me: Nintendo doesn't owe me anything and I don't deserve anything from the company just for being a customer.
...Don't get me wrong; I think it's fair to be frustrated and bothered by corporate decisions that ultimately affect what you can and cannot purchase, but don't think it's fair to act belittled or betrayed. This was obviously a strategic decision that Nintendo had to come to and I'm sure it wasn't an easy one to make. That being said, if you are living in North America and you do not want the New 3DS XL, then I encourage you not to purchase one. Show the company what you do and do not want through your support of their products, not by lashing out with petty attacks on social media.
So, those are some perspectives, but the whole issue has somewhat blown up again following comments made by Damon Baker - Senior Manager in Marketing and Licensing for Nintendo of America - to us in an interview at Indiecade, when we asked whether the company expected the blowback that occurred in mid-January.
Yeah (laughs). Look, the face plates are super cool, but we're a different market. And now we have clear differentiation between those three systems. Before, there was a very limited difference between the 3DS and 3DS XL: other than size. It was the same resolution, same functionality... now, there's the 2DS, 3DS, and New 3DS XL, all of which have their own functionality and features. The different price points give it a clear message for consumers. The core audience... we weren't going to win with them on that decision. But we had to think about expanding the user base, we had to be able to market it and make it easy to pick up for consumers.
It's this writer's opinion that negative interpretations of the 'laugh' are unfair - this was a conversation at an Indie event and more relaxed than an email interview filtered through PR. Whenever we've been caught up in controversies in the past - obviously on a far smaller scale - this writer's had conversations with others that would have had an equivalent 'laugh'; it's a mechanism for dealing with what can be a difficult scenario - namely, thousands of fans complaining about a decision. Beyond that, it was a variation and subtle expansion on the exact same policy and decision outlined before - below is an old PR statement on the topic.
Different territories make their own business decisions regarding individual products and timing. We think New Nintendo 3DS XL makes the most sense for our market. Nintendo makes different systems at different price points for a whole range of consumers, and New Nintendo 3DS XL simply expands those choices even further.
All Baker did, ultimately, was acknowledge the core group of fans most aggrieved, with the general line matching what was said before - there was some additional nuance without rocking the boat.
So there's an element of deja-vu here, and while acknowledging the valid complaints, let's also accept that claims this was a rapid departure from the party line are inaccurate - it was simply a more human variation that hadn't been through layers of public relations.
With that out of the way we're going to play devil's advocate, in the interest of giving some balance to both sides of the argument.
Disgruntled Fans
This past week has brought a return of the #OperationFaceplateNA campaign, a continuation of previous fan complaints about the XL-only policy currently in North America. This section will be short, as the grievance is an obvious and honest one - some fans in the region want the choice of the smaller model, end of story. Its design, the fact the screens are 20% bigger than the original, and those cover plates, make it the desirable choice for some. It's simply a demand to have the choice.
That's all reasonable, and a few of the Nintendo Life team here in Europe certainly opted for the smaller model. Not all, naturally, but the choice is welcome. It's not often that North America - as a region - is left out with hardware iterations, not unless it's also missing out with PAL territories, so the decision has stung many. The hashtag is relatively active on Twitter, there are petitions with over 4000 names on them, and there are plenty of forum threads all with the same goal - getting the New Nintendo 3DS released in North America.
Part of the irritation comes from disagreeing with the actual logic of Nintendo's official reasoning, quoted twice above. We ourselves have questioned this logic in editorials, but it seems likely it is - like poor communications around amiibo stock in recent months - an example of a large company struggling to get a satisfying message out; with this situation, little it can say will appease fans, in any case.
It's a simple cause, and one that can be justified.
Nintendo's Potential Reasoning, and Market Realities
Not long ago we rummaged around in Nintendo's financial results which, though not the most thrilling activity, helped us figure out some of the ways the company is making profits while reporting decreasing sales. Namely, it's spending less on marketing and inventory than in previous years. The latter may be dull business jargon, but it's relevant - Nintendo is managing its manufacturing and distribution so that it has less stock sitting around unsold, and seems to be more efficient at only making what it can sell. The early days of the Wii U were a disaster, financially, as money was paid to make systems that wouldn't sell or, even worse, were sometimes returned by dissatisfied retailers. The scenario's better now, but Nintendo is trimming back its inventory, which also means not making too many products.
Moving on from that, there are practical issues, too. We already suggested that the pre-Holiday release of the New 3DS in Japan and Australia / New Zealand, but not elsewhere, was surely down to managing stock and potentially struggling to manufacture enough systems for demand. Even with the delay into 2015 for the West, supplies of the New systems - particularly popular models - have been tight, with the XL models being quite hard to get in multiple territories, including the US.
Another issue with the US in particular (with some potential impact on Canada too) could be unrelated to any of this, with some linking port strikes in the country with affecting imports. We're still waiting for the official translations, but our own efforts at translating the recent investor Q & A in Japan suggest that while software shipping into the US can go ahead as normal through air freight, chunkier goods - such as hardware and amiibo - have been affected by delays dealing with imports at US ports. This has been speculated upon elsewhere, too, and may be a partial explanation for the problem.
Now to the crux of the matter. The XL models seem to comfortably out-sell the smaller models, even with the New hardware. The New XL comfortably out-performs the smaller model in Japan every week, while Nintendo UK's James Honeywell told us that "the majority of sales are going to be XL initially", admitting it may be skewed by the popularity of the two launch limited editions - which were also released in NA. It's suggested the smaller models may catch up, but we certainly saw circumstantial evidence in the UK that the XLs were getting mopped up (including standard Blue and Black models) in pre-orders and in day one sales, with the smaller models coming off second best. Statistically, flawed or not due to the problems the original 3DS had, the XL leads the way; it does seem that many consumers simply prefer the larger screens, regardless of how cute cover plates are.
One instinct we have, if stock and distribution is an issue and consideration, is that Nintendo of America - being the biggest player for Nintendo outside of management in Japan - decided it wanted lots of a good thing with the XL, rather than split stock. That's a guess, but the system clearly started well in its launch weekend, as you can see from Nintendo's own chart above.
We're not sure we buy the logic being fed by Nintendo about clarifying brands and options, but that's the only explanation we've been given. There are various factors that will have dictated the decision, some of which we've touched upon, and it's not unfair or apologist to suggest it was likely a difficult decision. There are enough circumstances and examples to suggest that Nintendo's not exactly doing a great job at producing and selling to meet demand, and we find it hard to think that's not a factor behind the PR line.
And in the end...
Of course, reasons and practicalities won't be enough to satisfy all in North America that are frustrated, but context should matter a little nevertheless. We're not of the opinion that Nintendo's deliberately shunning or trying to infuriate some - though it's definitely had that effect - but rather is dealing with business realities and the bottom line. With various factors to be taken into account, this screams of a scenario where the best is trying to be made of less-than-ideal circumstances, even if that best simply isn't good enough for a sizeable contingent of gamers. If the challenge really is stock allocations, ultimately, it wouldn't surprise us if the smaller models do head to North America later in the year once demand for the XL systems is well under control.
We'll see how it evolves, but the purpose here was to try and introduce a bit of context to this whole situation. Nintendo of America's stance, officially, is the same as it was in mid-January, and it's made a call that's annoying and baffling on many levels, but has grounds in business logic and circumstances. It's far from being black and white, and sales realities - flawed or not - no doubt make the XL a 'safe bet' in the region. You don't have to agree or totally accept these reasons, and we've certainly been right there in saying Nintendo of America hasn't made the smartest call in alienating a group of core fans, but it's also a reasonable thing to do to move beyond outrage and look at cold, hard realities.
Unfortunately, when campaigns are run online they portray situations in often polarising terms. Hopefully those that want a smaller New 3DS model in North America will get their chance sooner rather than later, but we also hope the bigger picture is also taken into account by all concerned - both Nintendo and disappointed fans.
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I only got mad when I saw that amazing xenoblade plate.
I feel bad for Americans for not getting the New 3DS, as the smaller model is definitely the best option
If only Nintendo was better at explaining their decisions. Instead of what essentially amounts to "You guys would be too confused if we released the smaller version here".
But it must be tough for them to navigate the minefield that is their fanbase when asked to explain unpopular decisions. So I feel for their PR department, at least.
The cynical part of me thinks this is all by design. Americans hate to be denied. Tell them something is "limited" or simply not available and they will want it more. Nintendo WILL release the smaller "New" 3DS once the XL sales begin to taper off. They will bet that their hardcore Nintendo fans will either (again) trade in their (new) 3DS XL for the smaller unit or they will simply purchase an additional "New" 3DS with cover plates.
In that way, they can sell a significant additional percentage of units. They will sell to the people who didn't want the XL size AND they will sell to those that have it that are hardcore collectors and who might have skipped buying the XL at all had the smaller version been available.
Cynical? Perhaps, but with Nintendo working harder and harder to squeeze more dollars from a smaller number of consumers (microtransactions, re-released "HD" versions of old games, Amiibo that are collected more for their appearance than their function, and and soon small quickly-developed micro games) I have few doubts this is their strategy.
"So I feel for their PR department, at least." - Operative
I don't, not in the least. I've never liked Reggie (cue the boos) because he entered Nintendo as a marketing executive at Addidas. If anyone knows how to leverage fandom for profit, it's a shoe company. Reggie and his team are great at dissembling; they won't tell the truth if a lie will do. And I think their explanations thus far have been under-developed lies.
Screw the plates, lol
There are no alternate "perspectives" to be heard or debated about, there are no excuses, and there are no reasons possibly good enough for what Nintendo of America is doing.
The XL outselling the smaller models is a worldwide trend. It happens everywhere. But EVERY other region's Nintendo branch STILL had enough basic respect for its market to offer them the same fair choice between the smaller and larger models. In those regions, if you're part of the relative minority who has good reason to want the smaller model, YOU CAN GET ONE. You have the ability to go to a store, purchase a standard New 3DS, do a system transfer, and use it to play your games from that same region.
Nintendo of America evidently cares so little for its "core audience" that it does not think they deserve that same ability, and they won't even offer a straightforward or honest answer about it. When concerns are expressed, they're met with generic email replies about "business decisions," form letters that gloss over the issue and include paper trinkets to try to placate us, and tools like Damon Baker saying that they were willing to piss off the loyal gamers who help keep them afloat because they're somehow working with a "different market."
I don't know exactly what they think that means, but the only thing more than marginally "different" I see about sales in North America compared to other regions is that we like collecting Amiibo a LOT more than anyone else (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/150217/04.html). If Nintendo of America doesn't think that, with a little marketing push, we'd go bananas for collecting faceplates too, then they're an even more incompetent and disconnected company than we've all previously thought, and that says a LOT.
Because that's what the real "bottom line" is. The reason Nintendo of America hasn't (yet) released or announced the standard New 3DS is because they're a crappy company. They have a crappy attitude towards their fans and consumers, or they have a crappy excuse for a marketing strategy, or they have a crappy grip on reality, or some mix of all three.
Well, regardless of the quality of their hardware and software, crappy companies don't get my business. The letters, emails, phone calls, tweets, Facebook posts, and personal boycott of Nintendo's systems and games will continue until Nintendo of America owns up to their mistake. The day they announce the standard New 3DS is the day I start supporting them again.
Honestly, if they made a white XL, with full color buttons and interchangeable faceplates, I wouldn't even want the smaller model.
I mostly don't get why the standard size gets the interchangeable face plates, but the XL doesn't. Considering the XL would have the larger install base even if the standard size were available in the US, it's weird that the XL isn't the version with face plates.
@AirElephant As much as this would be considered a bad thing in most other contexts, I really, REALLY hope you're right. If Nintendo of America's just using some twisted marketing strategy and stalling the standard New 3DS's release, that's still better than not releasing it at all.
I'm not going to be tricked into giving them money for an XL in the meantime (I'll probably grab a USED one sooner or later, though), but as long as the standard size is released one way or another, I'll be cool with it.
@AirElephant Reggie is nothing compared to Howard Lincoln I agree. Anything of note Reggie did was cancel the forward planning done by Lincoln for the future. Retro being able to make 4 games at once including a sports game would have made quite a difference at the moment.
When Lincoln got EA back on board then they stayed onboard (GC Era).
I still can't believe people are so upset over some silly faceplates...
It wouldn't be so bad if you could still buy the OG 3DS, but only having the choice between 2DS, 3DS XL, and new 3DS XL puts kids and small-handed adults in the ridiculous position of either suffering with an XL that is too big to play comfortably or missing out on a 3D system, and the 3D is the whole point of the 3DS.
Simply put: having less models available does not equate to consumers being given more options.
Don't tell us you're growing the user base and giving your fans more options when you're leaving out an entire market on a system.
And like people have said, this wouldn't be as much of an issue if the original 3DS model were still somewhat practical to find in stores in the U.S., because for the most part, it's not.
Nintendo can wave their XL sales in our faces all they want, but there are still people in their market that do not care for the larger, less-portable size of the XL systems.
Personally, I regret buying the N3DS. It's too small (my first 3DS). XL is the way to go. NA should just focus on releasing more limited edition XLs IMO. Now I'll wait for my Metroid N3DS XL then give my N3DS to my kid.
On topic, I think NoA is looking on the numbers. The regular 3DS could have sold very poorly they thought the N3DS with faceplates won't make a difference. Initial data shows XL still outnumbers the smaller model. I believe they would eventually release it but only in limited supply to test the waters. Okay, I'm just repeating what Tom Whitehead said.
These people need to get a life!
I think this is being blown way outta proportion. Market factors do play a big part in this. When you consider that Nintendo is already struggling for decent shelf space at it is coupled with the need for retailers to allocate even more room for the face plates along with the potential for even more confusion with all the different models on the market and they have good reason to hold of on the smaller system. When you think about it a lot of it meant to help reduce confusion sure it may seem stupid from a gamers perspective but what about the parents who cant tell the difference between and don't know what to buy their kid. When you have the 3DS, 3DS XL, 2DS, New 3DS, and New 3DS XL that would be very confusing for an average person. But now if a person walks into a store looking for a 3DS it will be much simpler because he has the choice of a 3DS, 2DS, or New 3DS XL. In a way it is giving people more options because you now have the regular 3DS for causal people, the 2DS as a budget alternative for younger kids and the New 3DS for enthusiast users. They sort of have reason to go by numbers since from what I understand the 3DS didn't really start to take off until the XL released. If they end up making XL sized faceplates this whole missue wiull be rendered moot
Believe me, the Faceplate version will undoubtably come out in the U.S. This reeks of a marketing ploy by NOA. Those who can't wait will purchase the more expensive XL version and their seeming refusal to release the Faceplate version will create media attention which will sell more units.
As one who is incredibly disappointed over not being able to get a white, standard New 3DS, I must say: That was nice, fair article that broke down the situation very well.
@BensonUii
"I think NoA is looking on the numbers. . . . Initial data shows XL still outnumbers the smaller model."
Nope. Because based on just "the numbers," the XL made up a smaller percentage of total "old" 3DS sales in North America than in any other region (and that's excluding all OG 3DS sales from prior to the XL's release), as shown here:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/997614-nintendo-3ds/71051940
So if it made sense to exclude the smaller New 3DS from NA, then other regions really shouldn't have released it.
@Kaboom
"Well, regardless of the quality of their hardware and software, crappy companies don't get my business. . . . The day they announce the standard New 3DS is the day I start supporting them again."
Ditto.
@Kaboom Boycotting and saying they are a crappy company simply because they won't a smaller model that may or may not sell well is kinda pathetic
@Wolfgabe
"But now if a person walks into a store looking for a 3DS it will be much simpler because he has the choice of a 3DS, 2DS, or New 3DS XL."
By all means, show me where I can find a 3DS currently in stores. No, there's actually just 2DS, 3DS XL, and New 3DS XL. For that matter, go to NOA's official 3DS website - they show off the 3DS XL and 2DS. That's all. What Damon Baker could possibly be thinking in stating that the 3DS is a choice, I have no clue. If it were, then OG 3DS systems would be selling for far less on ebay.
@daveh30 it isn't just the faceplates - the smaller system is simply nicer, and much better as a portable handheld. Not everyone wants to carry a brick around to do their gaming on..
*Edit - "they show off the New 3DS XL and 2DS." My bad.
@unrandomsam: it's amazing how much you know about Howard Lincoln, especially being across the pond. Being from Seattle and a Seattle Mariners fan, I know a lot about him. Despite the lack of success with the Mariners, he did some amazing things with Nintendo, including battling to get the rights to Tetris which I recently read about. It's a shame he is not leading NOA right now.
Well the gaming press fueled the fire by using Zinger/Click Bait type headlines with the story about the laugh. Very few reported in context what actually happened.
@Wolfgabe I'm doing nothing but spitting the truth. When they give me reason to think otherwise, I'll change my tune.
If they'd said something like, "due to marketing/stock issues, the standard size New 3DS will be releasing later," which would be an HONEST and totally acceptable answer, there'd be no problems, no ill will, and everything would be fine. I'd be annoyed and a little disappointed by the further wait, but I'd continue happily buying Nintendo stuff and counting myself as a loyal fan. I might have even bought an XL from them to tide me over.
But they're not doing that. They're giving roundabout answers which are vague at best, and at worst sum up to, "screw our fans, they're not worth the effort," all the while clearly shortchanging their market in a way unlike any other Nintendo branch. For that, they deserve every ounce of harsh criticism I'm giving them.
@Ryno I just read Game Over a few weeks ago on vacation. Same book? It's a brilliant look into Nintendo's past & in many ways they're still the same company or at least trying to be. It's part of their old chairman board mentality where it takes them forever to see change.
No worries here. I prefer the larger model, anyway, as the smaller 3DS feels kind of lost in adult hands. And truth be told, I don't even have any immediate plans to buy any New 3DS until there's a killer exclusive for it, and Xenoblade (a remake) doesn't exactly qualify...
I am actually happy that we get the New 3ds XL. I made the mistake to buy a 3ds instead of a 3ds xl and I paid the price. I am a growing teen so after a few years the system felt tiny in my hands. After that I swore to always buy the larger model of every handheld.
I think that Nintendo should release the smaller version in the U.S, because the U.S is Nintendo's biggest market when it comes to overall sales. Americans seem extremely tempted to go for the Faceplates for the Smaller New Nintendo 3DS. They seem even more tempted by the Xenoblade Chronicles 3D Faceplates. So this is the perfect chance for Nintendo to announce the Smaller 3DS will be coming over to the U.S, starting with a Xenoblade Chronicles bundle, that has the New 3DS, Xenoblade Chronicles 3D and the beautiful looking Xenoblade Red faceplates. Maybe some game stores can do a deal where you buy the bundle and get the 3DS charger, half price. Nintendo would make a killing from the U.S market alone. If they don't do that, then Nintendo is letting a ton of money go if they don't. I live in the U.K, so this doesn't bother me as a a consumer, but as human, it does bother me, that the U.S, a much bigger market, isn't getting the same rights as us. Nintendo, do the smart thing, I implore you...
Sorry for the long comment, if this bothers or offends anyone, then I sincerely apologize...
Do not 'pass' off and 'shot' on your most loyal customers. A simple rule for any business.
@Operative "You would be too confused if we released 2 models" but just calling it the "New 3DS" isn't confusing at all.(note sarcasm)
While they are at it, NoA doesn't feel we should get Monster Hunter themes either.
Honestly, if Nintendo of America is solely going on the premise that only the XL would sell, then could not the same be said for all markets?
And Damon Baker stated we still have 4 models for sale (2DS, 3DS, 3DS XL and New 3DS XL) but that is actually NOT the case. The standard size original 3DS has not been (readily) available on shelves for at least the past year or so, having fallen well off the radar once the XL was introduced. And given Nintendo just officially announced the discontinuation of said original model (no longer even listed on their site nor on any retailer sites unless used), that essentially leaves the market with only the 2DS, 3DS XL and New 3DS XL. And of course, it is very likely the original 3DS XL will be phased out sooner or later because let's be honest: two different XLs on the market is actually far more confusing to the casual consumers than having the 2DS, New 3DS and New 3DS XL present. If I recall, the 2DS even sells far less here in the US compared to the European/Australian markets, so it would've made far more sense actually to phase that out and replace it with the smaller New 3DS.
Now, I have 4 kids, all of whom use the original 3DS as they not only game in 3D but the XL is not comfortable for them so they don't like it (and therefore a 2DS for them is not an option either as it can't easily be carried without a bag and no 3D) I, as a dedicated Nintendo fan and XL user, figured they could have the standard New 3DS while my spouse and I got XLs. So this is not simply about faceplates for many of us. Yeah, my kids would certainly love the faceplates (they actually got me to import some for them months ago in anticipation so they could have their favorite designs...) but the primary issue is their comfort and now they have been excluded from enjoying a product they were looking forward to. Another issue here is price. Say the smaller unit were available here for... $160-$170... Yeah, by itself not much of a price difference. But when you throw in the faceplates for those that end up buying them (let's say priced between $15-$25 depending on design/texture/rarity), an smaller unit owner could actually easily outspend an XL owner as a one time $200+ pricetag vs $160/$170 + faceplates will in turn make for better revenue down the road unless an XL owner is willing to shell out that $200+ every time a limited edition system were to come out... In the case of my kids alone, let's break it down: 4 kids = 4 systems ($160/$170 each) + 3-4 sets of face plates for each child ($15-$25 each faceplate set)... See how much money that could add up to be for Nintendo from our one household alone? And that's not even factoring in my spouse and I purchasing New XLs for ourselves along with multiple copies of game software for the kids and ourselves.... Hell, as it stands now, I'd probably purchase a 5th standard New 3DS for myself to take along when I go out....
All I'm saying is that there are plenty of reasons as to why, in fact, Nintendo of America should be able to easily market both sizes here.
-Price
-Size (Screens are 33% bigger so not too small anymore and more comfortable to hold over previous design)
-Customizability (If people can go nuts for Amiibo, they can and will go nuts for faceplates with certain character/franchise/texture designs)
-Portability (My kids don't carry bags so the systems go into jacket/sweatshirt pockets)
@ottospooky I've had the exact same thought. Especially if it plays into the current supply issues at the moment and them trying to keep a tight grip on margins. amiibo is hard to come by, and now the n3DSXL is. Introducing the standard model alongside the XL, probably would've just caused a headache for everyone. So it was pretty much in Nintendo's interest to give NA a focussed launch. Concentrate on the XL (and it's special editions at first) then do a secondary launch for the smaller variant with all the faceplates galore for the second half of the year (announcement at E3 or surprise direct). Tell everyone, "Due to popular demand, we're bringing the standard new 3DS to NA!" Show off cool faceplates. Gamestop offers bonus trade credit for n3DSXL. Everybody wins.
Nintendo gets their profit while finally making those who cried for the standard happy. Gamestop gets used n3DS XLs to sell for profit from those who traded it in for the standard one. And those who wants to buy a used n3DS XL (at a cheaper price) they can.
Of course that's wishful thinking and Nintendo could stick with what they have going on, continuing to piss of the vocal minority in the process. Which is probably what's going to happen. For what it's worth, while I'm fine with my Red nXL, I'd go for a standard one with the faceplates. Though I'm not sure if I could deal with the smaller screens.
I had no problem with that Damon guy's laugh. What he said afterwards ticked me (and I bet most other people) off.
Acting as if they know their audience like with every other PR disaster in recent memory, such as their naming problem. Nintendo knows nothing about the NA market and refuses to learn.
It's the same bullpoopiedoodle response they always gives now. They're as confused about their decisions as we are.
@dsparil
The XL, being the better seller, makes it far easier for Nintendo to offer Limited Editions basically. Knowing that the larger part of the markets purchase XLs, it makes it easier to get consumers to double or even triple dip for thise special editions, especially if said consumers are collectors/early adopters that missed on prior limited editions (such as the Majora's Mask XL)
I'm not going to consider 'the bigger picture' as you suggest, and here's why: Nintendo is so clumsy at connecting with their target audience that the damage has already been done. Period. They've damaged my relationship with them, and the's little they can do to redeem themselves. I'm not buying a N3DSXL. Period. Forget cutesy faceplates, I don't care. I want the portability, and the XL is not, in my opinion, portable.
But beyond that, my personal reasons are irrelevant. Nintendo basically said we Americans are too confused and stupid to understand our consumer choices, and thus took the actual choice away from us. This may have not been their intent, but this was the definite result. And they're too damn proud to admit that their choice of naming the new console may have played a significant factor in whatever confusion exists. Just call it the Super 3DS, for crying out loud! Problem solved!
Give me the CHOICE to buy the N3DS OR the N3DS XL. I'll gladly continue to support you by shovelling my money into your hands. Until then, you're not getting a single red cent. My wallet wants the freedom to choose, for itself. Catering only to the greater segment of the market's only going to piss everyone off, in the long run.
Fix the problem, Nintendo.
@fusermarucs except, if you're North American, you probably haven't seen a New 3DS in person...so it pretty bold to make the statement that it's 'simply nicer'. The only real comparison you would have would be the 3DS vs the 3DS XL, and in the case, the XL is MUCH nicer. The smaller one is blocky and has an ugly muffintop thing going on. The XL is smoother with sexy rounded corners. Its really no comparison. If one prefers the smaller size / screens, fine. To each his own. But the XL is certainly not a brick, and is a much nicer design than its ugly little brother... I really have a hard time taking anyone seriously who says they can't put an XL in their pocket.
I wish nintendo made the XL capable of using changeable faceplates. It seems like it would have been a win/win for Nintendo and us. I only want the smaller one because of the face plates.
Nintendo is pissing me the F off! Get your crap together or my best friend and I will switch to xbox one! And my best friend is a damn beaver!
I can almost live with the fact that only the XL is being released in the US, but they had to go further and say that we're to stupid to get the non-XL choice
I'm just going to leave this here...
http://www.ted.com/talks/sheena_iyengar_on_the_art_of_choosing?language=en
Nice talking point. I was a bit upset about that announcement when I first saw it, but after seeing and remembering people buying out amiibo (shipment chart from the investor's meeting also helped), sales and stocks from other regions, and other related news, it brought me some comfort in the decision.
My theory (or way of coping) is they have to make enough systems to meet demands. If they product both of the new 3ds model and faceplates, there would be less models for everyone and we know how scalpers can get when it comes to anything limited or word gets out about anything low in stock.
For all we know they can be using this time to produce enough new 3ds and faceplates for everyone and use the XL model to keep a good amount of people happy in the meantime. Because if it's one thing we know is that NA core gamers (not all) hates it when stuff gets delayed, especially when EU has it for awhile. Then again they usually hate almost everything, at least based on posts online.
As Magus (KI:U) said "Chase after 2 rabbits and you'll end up with none".
@DiscoGentleman only hope is they get rid of region lock now.
I don't know if this would have happened, really, but I feel like consumers here in the U.S. (or any other territory for that matter) would want to buy something just because it's "NEW". I mean, look at the demand for the new 3DS XL, which adds technically less new features than the standard new 3DS. If NoA would have focused solely on creating the New 3DS, and not the XL, with the faceplates and focused on marketing its bigger screen size than the original, then I feel like consumers would have been all over the New 3DS just the same.
Perhaps it was just for the sake of spending less initial cost to produce the XL and not the standard with the plates, with the knowledge that they could release the other one later and still sell plenty of both. But I do think that if they were to alienate any of their customers it should have been the XL customers first, and then release it later. This would have made more sense in the market, rather than phasing out the original 3DS and replacing the XL with a "new" one.
I don't think they have any coherent strategy here other than to cut costs, and the decision came down from the top. For whatever reason.
I don't see why they can't just discontinue the original 3DS XL and release both the New versions in North America. That way, you have the 2DS, New 3DS, and New 3DS XL in stores. The naming convention is confusing with two "3DS XL" models in stores, might as well remove the old 3DS XLs and just have the "New" line become the new standard 3DS models, with of course, the 2DS model available for those on a budget.
The way I see it? Having both the old XL and New XL in stores is pointless. People aren't going to opt for an outdated system just to save $25. When given the choice between the old XL and the New XL, people are going to go for the New one, because it's new. It's the damn name of the system.
SO, why not just clear out XL stock and make way for the standard New 3DS. That way, you have three Nintendo handhelds on store shelves with their own viable features:
-2DS - The budget system for those that don't particularly care for 3DS.
-New 3DS - For those that desire a smaller system and the ability to customize.
-New 3DS XL - For those that want a bigger system and bigger screens.
Can someone please tell me how that lineup of systems is NOT more desirable than the current lineup of the 2DS, 3DS XL, and New 3DS XL??
Nintrndo should just have told people what was going on and while people would still be peeved - its yhe internet, everyone is slways peeved - but at least there would be less of it.
Either state new 3DS is never coming or is coming later. State the old 3DS is discontinued or more stock is coming. Leaving people hanging and in the dark is never a good thing.
@RQuinain
THIS!!! This is pretty much what I was saying in my post regarding the issue
I agree that the new 3DS (non-XL) could make an appearance in the US, but maybe as a special edition of some kind to appease fans. I personally can't understand the attraction of the smaller device, but I'm old (with pants that have adult sized pockets) and not much of a fan of the platform anyway.
I did try out the 3DS XL and the 3D is greatly improved. I can sit a bit further back from it with the effect in tact which is great because I also have arms of adult length. :/
Even the face plates felt like a cynical cash-in to me at first blush.
Oh, yeah, cash. That is what this is about, too. Remember that after bleeding cash so badly, Nintendo went into a mode where spending was ultra-tight and storing up unsold devices on shelves does not help revenue or profits.
I've got a Majoras Mask XL so I'm happy.
Have you SEEN the New XL vs New 3DS sales?! You're all talk, I'm sure the sales of the New 3DS would match those of other countries, if not be worse.
@RQuinan
I think they'll just let the 3DS XL sell out of stock. I do wonder about the regular 3DS though. Are they really going to increase stock of that? Is it as poorly stocked as people are saying?
@PvtOttobot
There are petitions if you bothered to read the above article, at least one with over 4000 supporters.
And regardless of whether the standard size sells more or not, many of us have valid reasons ASIDE from the faceplates for wanting it (take a look at my ealier comment regarding why I want these, not for myself but for my kids). And at the end of the day, it's about being fair as well.
Honestly, the vocal fans may be a minority compared to the XL owners, but we just want to make the effort to get Nintendo's attention on the matter nonetheless. Will our effort bear fruit? We don't know. But we certainly get nothing if we don't let the company know our displeasure at all
This whole thing is silly, there are no acceptable reasons why the smaller version is not being released in the US. Can't they at least sell it online? Get with the times, Nintendo. I would love to order one online. I hate going in the games department in most stores. It's a convoluted mess with so many systems, out of stock games, and now half the space is taken up by gaming toys anyway.
I know it's ridiculous but I'm just so mad about this. I can't help it. I want a standard new 3DS and I can't have one. It's driving me crazy!
@PvtOttobot
"Make a petition or something!"
We have. Here are two, one of which was actually mentioned in the article above, if you actually read it (search for "over 4000 names"):
https://www.change.org/p/nintendo-bring-the-regular-sized-new-3ds-to-america-stop-region-locking
https://www.change.org/p/nintendo-bring-the-normal-smaller-standard-version-of-the-new-nintendo-3ds-to-north-american-markets-and-or-stop-region-locking-the-available-3ds-models
"Have you SEEN the New XL vs New 3DS sales?! You're all talk, I'm sure the sales of the New 3DS would match those of other countries, if not be worse."
If your point is that the XL outsells the standard by a ratio of about 2:1, that's true of all regions; and yet all the other ones offer the choice of both, not wanting to piss off a third of their fans. If your point is that North America would have a worse sales ratio of standard to XL than the other regions, you're wrong - it's just the opposite, in fact, according to official sales data for old 3DS systems (OG sales prior to XL's release omitted, for that matter). NA chooses the XL a smaller percentage of the time than any other region. [See the link I posted in one of my earlier comments - comment #20.]
I still think the market as a whole tends to prefer either the XL for everyone except small children. Are their outliers? Of course, just like I'm an outlier for being an active importer...but sometimes being the minority nets you a different product then what you want.
I am going to buy the faceplates however just for collecting purposes.
@aaronsullivan
"I do wonder about the regular 3DS though. . . . Is it as poorly stocked as people are saying?"
Go into any store's electronics section, and see if you can find one. They haven't stocked those in a long time. (Maybe you'll find one or two randomly at some store - but only if they've been sitting there for a year or two, and just never got sold.) How this Baker guy could say that the 3DS is one of 3 choices for NA consumers . . . Yeah, no - it's not a choice, and hasn't been for a long time. Even NOA's official website doesn't show it; it only shows the New XL and the 2DS. That's it.
@aaronsullivan Well yeah, that's what I meant.
And if they increase stock of the original 3DS XL after just releasing the New 3DS... why Nintendo, why x___x
As Ron DelVillano said, "if you are living in North America and you do not want the New 3DS XL, then I encourage you not to purchase one. Show the company what you do and do not want through your support of their products, not by lashing out with petty attacks on social media." Boom. Easy as that I've seen countless droves of people who were going to get the Standard unit complain and attack Nintendo for not releasing the Standard unit and...guess what they all bought? Thats basically like going back into an abusive relationship, you get out for a while try and get it together and then, wham! Right back in and suffering under that same abuse as before. Because of those people Nintendo will likely never release the Standard New 3DS in the Americas! So I will stand firm for now, sure I'll get the HDSBoy when it comes out, but not on launch day and most certainly not if Nintendo pulls one like this over us again.
The only people that care about faceplates are the people that would pay money for a Golden Mario amiibo. You know, the over price piece of plastic that you can make you self. I don't care about the normal N3DS and the only reason why people want it is because of the face plates that have been done already and made cheaper back in the NES that are just as useless as faceplates. The only legit complaint I seen is the N3DSXL being too big for some people hands, everything else was just self rightous people acting like Nintendo spys on them.
I was disappointed that I couldn't stick with the smaller model. After playing on the New XL for the past week I have to admit I like the larger screen, so giving up some portability was a worthwhile tradeoff
@HandheldGuru97
Speak for yourself. Yes, some may have caved in to get the New XL, but given the vocal accounts on preety much all social medias (twitter, fb, neogaf, etc) there are a crapton of people the did, in fact, NOT purchase the XL because they want the smaller one.
And btw, that comparison to an abusive relationship was a rather poor one
The "consumers would be confused" explanation is just plain stupid, especially when every other major region is getting the regular sized new model.
It's almost like Nintendo's saying Americans aren't smart enough to tell the difference, and that's just insulting.
I agree, and refuse to buy the New 3DS XL as I wanted the SMALLER ONE, not just for the faceplates and colored buttons, which I prefer, but because I like the size of my 3DS now, and was excited to upgrade it slightly to have the better stable 3D, but not at expense to the size. If they want me to buy another 3DS, they'll have to release the normal New 3DS in this country or remove region locking so I can import one.
@Chaozrush21
Read my earlier post on the comments and you'll see that faceplates are, in fact, NOT the only reason people want the smaller system so don't speak for the whole of the group
@TerrapinJess I agree. I like mah big 3DS alot.
I know enough people who can't find the New 3DS XL in stock anyway. I'm pretty sure that the standard New 3DS will hit the United States eventually but Nintendo's got enough problems stocking the current hardware. So, if you're really worried about not getting a New 3DS for your collection, just remember: Nintendo didn't let you down with making the Wii Mini available stateside!
I believe that they have quietly discontinued the original 3DS model... they just didn't make an official announcement. Hence, I'm not too surprised that the standard new 3DS size was not released here in NA...
Though the reason why I like the smaller version is because, well, it's smaller . Hopefully NoA decides to release it later, or better yet, make the 3DS region free.
@rjejr telling them that it's coming later would hurt initial sales of the new XL, as those that want the standard model would likely hold out for that one instead. Afterall, they want as many sales as they can before the end of the fiscal year.
@daveh30 yea, I've never had a problem getting the XL in my pocket. I'm one of "those" guys, but it even fits in my skinny jeans. Naturally, there's a bit of a bulk, but nothing too bothersome. Overexaggerating here, but compared to the original Game Boy, the XL is practically an iPhone. Lol
@BLPs Personally I prefer the EU situation. Sure we've got annoying things like Kirby being delayed by 5+ months but we have a far superior VC library and DLC generally arrives earlier. Ask any North American Nintendo fan on here and they'd almost certainly rather have the DKC trilogy than Kirby and the Rainbow Curse.
Even if it didnt have faceplates id still want the smaller model. You get a mobile console for mobility. How the crap is an XL gonna just fit in ur pocket for street pass and junk?
I had a dsi xl and since last year ive had a 3ds xl. I have no plans of buying a n3ds anytime soon but if the smaller one was to come to the us then I would buy that version without hesitation.
@sonicmeerkat Same here, the Xenoblade faceplate looks so fricken cool!
If there were no region locking, there would be no problem.
Well, except import tax.
I feel bad for the Americans not being able to get the regular sized 3ds because I love mine and my cover plates. Maybe they will get them in time...I hope.
Isn't the 2DS only sold in North America?
They are not going to come out with NEW 2DS are they? Perhaps this is why they don't want to confuse things with only coming out with New 3DS and New 3DS XL models and not 2DS....keep the NEW variant down to 1 model as the XL has always been considered the premium model
You know for the longest time, I've always criticized NOA for being lazy/cheap/late/inferior/etc. They've constantly underperformed when it came to bringing games/consoles over here in a timely fashion or at all. Or at the very least, make said video game exclusive on the Eshop. And now that I'm seeing all of these complaints about NOA failing to localize the smaller New 3DS to the States and sadly seeing yet another Operation campaign I'm kinda wondering if they're hurting financially more so than we think. Now, I know what you're thinking "Dude, Nintendo has tons upon tons of money in their banks." Ok, fine I guess, then explain to me why NOA seems to have to cut corners just to make ends meet? "Corners" like slowly bringing over games to the States/Letting NOE localize a video game and then in turn bring over the final product/Serve under stocks of Amiibos/New 3DS's/Bundles/etc and just simply failing to being X and Y over. This unfortunate consistent trend has been happening for the past several years. And now I'm just sitting here asking myself: "Why is NOA being adamant about bringing the smaller New 3DS over to the States?" I think it could be one of several things or all of them. The first thing that came to mind, is maybe NOA has to bring ever new Nintendo console to the States whether they want to or not. Even if the effort seems/is halfdonkeyed. After all, it is a company owned by the higher ups in Japan. Or am I wrong? Or, maybe it's because they have no faith in the New 3DS. I mean, truth be told, there is no driving force pushing you to buy a New 3DS. I mean sure, there's Xenoblade which is kinda exclusive to this console, but what would you rather do? Fork over 90+ dollars to buy it on Amazon or something? Or would buy this $200 system along with a $40+ game? Or maybe they're afraid they won't make a profit? I mean what would you rather have? the bigger one? or the smaller one? Now, obviously people want the smaller one but maybe the smaller one cost more to localize? What I mean by that is they would also have to bring over those faceplates for the smaller model and they don't have to do that for the larger one. Plus, there have been a bunch of horror stories about switching Data for your older 3DS model to the Newer one which can be a pretty big turn off to consumers and thus adding to the potential faithlessness of the New 3ds. I don't really believe NOA not bringing the smaller model over here because they don't want to "Confuse" the market. That just seems like a pathetic attempt at damage controlling the situation. If they honestly believed that, then they wouldn't (Or shouldn't) have called the New 3DS the NEW 3DS. I mean, if I weren't a gamer, I'd probably be pretty confused by the old 3ds and the new 3DS and the New NEW 3DS and I hope you understand what I'm saying. I also want to point out that not to long ago, NOE I believe had to let go of a couple of hundred employees just to make ends meet. And NOA didn't have to do that, so maybe that's thanks to all of these cut corners? Sigh I guess in conclusion, know one knows what's going on behind NOA. But like what some of these people and writers are saying, if you want the smaller New 3DS and don't want the larger one, then don't buy it. and make your complaints heard. I know NOA has some listening problems but there's nothing else we can do is there?
Sigh What a mess...
P.S you know what's also a mess? My writing. If there are any errors in what I've wrote then correct me so I won't make them again. I'm not really going to double check what I've wrote because obviously what I've wrote is ALOT. But do rip me a new one if I did screw up. That's the only way people learn. Atleast in my experience. Peace and Chicken grease.
And spacing errors.
I live in the US and I've been trying to get my hands on the New Black XL and a copy of MH4U but nobody has them so I'm stuck waiting. Hopefully GameStop's $100 off New 3DS when you trade in Old 3DS doesn't go away. Anyways, I don't want the regular sized New 3DS, I can't go back now that I've experienced XL. But I feel like either people in NA or EU should feel insulted. Not selling the regular size in NA because it's "too confusing" implies that Nintendo thinks that either Americans are dumb or that they don't care about people in EU getting confused. Either way, it's bs. Nintendo's marketing division needs to be fired and rebuilt because, quite frankly, history shows they don't know what they're doing. They've made countless massive mistakes in the past. Now as for this- if a parent or whoever doesn't know the difference between the handhelds(cough cough Nintendo's marketing is to blame for that), they're not just gonna drool and cry and not buy anything. They'll say "screw it" and buy whatever looks cool(oh yeah, NA also gets fewer colors of systems cough cough bad marketing again) and is the cheapest. Nintendo will still make the sale. And they're all sold out now anyway. It's not like nobody wanted them.
GET IT TOGETHER NINTENDO!!!!!!!!!!!
At least we know now it isn't all "Reggie's Fault" there is a whole team of dofussess making poor decisions.
@sonicmeerkat That would be great, just make one format so people can import them if they want. Everyone wins.
@Inkling It is not the best option for me, so no reason to feel sorry for me.
The XL is still a portable gaming device.
This is all you had to say. -Lz
I was going with the XL all along. So it didn't bother me. Since I first saw the faceplates I had no interest in them. They really never appealed to me. But the thing I can't figure out is why didn't include the option for faceplates with the XL as well. A lot more people would have been happy and they would have made more money. Seems like a missed opportunity to me.
I was going with the XL all along. So it didn't bother me. Since I first saw the faceplates I had no interest in them. They really never appealed to me. But the thing I can't figure out is why didn't include the option for faceplates with the XL as well. A lot more people would have been happy and they would have made more money. Seems like a missed opportunity to me.
I was very much looking forward to getting the white, standard New 3DS, from the moment I saw it in October; every other region got it, while mine did not; this has made me feel disappointed
I'm getting pretty sick of people telling me how well the 3ds xl should fit in my pocket. My pockets are my business, right? I don't need to hear from anyone how I should get to carry my 3ds. Yes, I can cram an xl in my pocket. It's uncomfortable and I feel like I'm going to break it if I crouch down. Also stop telling me I should enjoy the blown up display. Thanks.
@Yoshis95 quite easily, actually. Been carrying my XL around in my pocket for a couple years, no issues. I really have a hard time taking anyone who says an XL can't be carried in a pocket seriously. It's a ridiculous statement.
I agree with @Funbunz. It's also annoying that every one assumes it's only men who can't fit the XL in their pockets. "Don't wear skinny jeans" you say? Try finding a pair of women's pants that aren't tight or have stupidly small pockets. "Wear a purse" you say? How about stop telling other people what to wear and how to carry their st!ff.
@Funbunz but the XL really does fit quite easily in a pocket...
Maybe, just maybe they plan to launch N3DS later coinciding with another franchise aching for a comeback.
They meaning alternate identities of us from the fifth dimension of course. HEY, im grasping at straws here man. I want the N3DS as much as the next guy. Have you seen face plate #55? Well HAVE YOU!?!
Its obvious they are going to release it . Don't buy it yet wait. I personally am waiting to see if they release a Xenoblade limited edition in the states. The first game to actually be an exclusive to the new console. I want the N3DSXL. I am currently playing Majoras Mask and am curious about the nip, but I'm getting over that and waiting for my preference. I'm not going boo who, whah. Wah. (Spit up like a baby) boo who. I'm playing it safe and those of you who want that faceplate should too.
@daveh30, I assume you are teasing me? And yes, as I said, I can get it into my pocket. Getting it to come back out is another challenge. Buying baggy pants is NOT a solution to this problem!
The New Nintendo 3DS is something really needed in America. Not everyone wants giant screens that can't fit in their pockets. The size and faceplates are what attracts me to the standard version, but unfortunately, NoA decided we shouldn't have a choice.
And what about little kids who want a 3DS for their birthday? The XL simply doesn't fit in their hands!
Can't the just stop making 2Ds and call it the new 3Ds pocket?
@Shiek You said it. I can barely fit my original 3DS in some of my pants pockets. Stupid woman pants pockets.
@Shiek It goes both ways.... everytime I post that i'm enjoying my New 3DS XL somewhere, theres one of the XL haters right there goin' on about thats impossible, because they refuse to hook a trailer to their car to haul that Brick around. "its supposed to be portable!"
if the XL haters would stop being so melodramatic over an extra 12mm of width, others wouldn't waste time defending it...
@Zelda64L " And what about little kids who want a 3DS for their birthday? The XL simply doesn't fit in their hands!"
Thats one of the dumbest things i've ever read. my 5 year old has been playing mario on my XL since he was 3. never a complaint. you know what was a brick of a system? The GameBoy. And we dragged that thing around everywhere, and squinted at its tiny monochrome screen, and hefted it's bulk, and it made us stronger. it's time to stop coddling the children.
Well when I saw that cool xenoblade faceplate I was mad. But in think I'd like the xl version though too and u can always buy the cool cases for it. But for a portable system the regular one seem better. I also thought it was kinda stupid that they didn't bring the regular version to NA. Maybe they will realize that they didn't make such a good decision and come out with the regular one but I doubt it. I totally understand the people that want the regular version though. But we shouldn't just totally boycott the N3ds cuz I don't think is such a good decision cuz people are doing it to splatoon just for a silly little feature. And boycotting nintendo systems and games could make nintendo not try new things and that would be bad. We need to find a better way of handling the situation without boycotting cuz we need to be heard.
@ColdingLight Okay, with all due respect, you can criticize Nintendo all you want, but you may want to fact check first a bit. Allow me to assist.
1. Nintendo of America operates with the same banks as NoE, so your notion about letting NoE localize "to cut corners" is a bit senseless. They are NOT separate companies, but rather handle operations in their regions while operating under the main umbrella in Japan. It would also be more believable if so many games weren't localized by the Treehouse anyway
2. The under stocks of amiibos is also attributed to the west coast strike, which I'm sure you took under consideration in your criticism.
3. Most horror stories were attributed to not following directions or losing an internet connection in the process, and I'm not quite sure why this is even a point to begin with
4. Most (about 190) of those employees were temporary leased workers who had little job security to begin with
It does seem like petty damage control, but heck, most will not be satisfied until they release the smaller model. I don't see why anyone even bothered asking why it didn't come to the States when no one will likely like the answer
@Superstick no offense but whah. Wah. Boo. Who. That faceplate n3ds looks good and all but I would focus my energy more on the games. In a few months, when they release there first game for the new system and there is no faceplate then, it's time too cry. In the mean time, Walmart is having a sale on candy pacifiers 2 for $ 1.00. They have strawberry and grape.
If the smaller New 3ds doesn't arrive in North America buy winter 2015 it tells me that Nintendo does not like money and doesn't need it anymore.
I love reading the amount of drivel coming from people trying to justify NOA. The fact is Nintendo HQ have no control over their American wing who are clearly in bed with MS and have been in self destruct mode for the last few years.
As for marketing - Nintendo stopped bothering about that 5 years ago.
@Funbunz
"I'm getting pretty sick of people telling me how well the 3ds xl should fit in my pocket. My pockets are my business, right? I don't need to hear from anyone how I should get to carry my 3ds. Yes, I can cram an xl in my pocket. It's uncomfortable and I feel like I'm going to break it if I crouch down. Also stop telling me I should enjoy the blown up display. Thanks."
This. And this is true for my children. My kids don't carry bags everywhere and more often than not carry their systems in their jacket/sweatshirt pockets. So an XL in a child's pocket is NOT an option
I only got really mad about this once I saw the Xenoblade faceplate. NoA, at least give us something like a limited edition bundle with the faceplate artwork on it.
@daveh30 ive just never really cared for the XL with their pen styluses and large screens and size. And also being "the same resolution" as the small model, a bigger screen isnt gonna look as good. And also i like taking my games with me in my 3ds case, so with the regular model im able to put the entire case in my pocket. Id like to see someone try that with an XL case with games wearing regular shorts
@ShikabaneHime13 @Funbunz Thanks to both of you for some reasonableness in this mess of comments. And why are XL users getting on peoples case for not wanting XL's? Its not like im hating on people that use XL's, im irritated with nintendo not selling me the model i like.
@Yoshis95 and thats fine, like what ya like... but all this "how the crap is that gonna fit in your pocket?" nonsense is just obnoxious. its 12mm wider, theres no need to be so melodramatic over it. If you can't carry an XL, you've got bigger problems than the small difference in size.
I wasn't planning on getting a New 3DS in the first place. I never felt like the "upgrades" were worth the $$$ when I still love my regular (magnificently purple) 3DS. However, should something happen to said 3DS, I would find it super difficult to replace it now that the regular 3DS seems to be no longer produced. I've never liked the XL models, they've never felt comfortable for me. Also, even in my size 14 jeans, no XL sized 3DS (New or otherwise) is going to fit in my pockets. Seems senseless to discontinue the regular 3DS and not offer a regular N3DS. Guess I will be taking extra good care of my 3DS now (not that I've been abusing it or anything). Though, come to think of it, I can always buy used I suppose (though I prefer my hardware new. . .no pun intended).
Why is it that I've never heard anyone complain about the portability of their Vita, but the almost identically sized XL (when closed) is apparently a non-transportable anchor? (besides the fact that no one owns a Vita, lol)
It's heartbreaking really. They're willing to damage what little trust of consumers while underestimating the intellect of their own core base. Of course they knew it would infuriate the dedicated and the New XL would entice the unrestrained, and now they're really giving us the finger. I don't approve of this style of marketing at all. But as one user has already posted, the damage has been done. I like Nintendo a lot less because of this, and they're completely okay with that from what I've gathered.
@daveh30 i used to own a vita... til i sold it lol. (nintendo is better heh heh) But also with the vita people didnt have two diffrent vita sizes to choose from at first, and also with the 3DSXL not having faceplates stinks
@Yoshis95 I own one as well. Its a sweet piece of hardware, has some good games, but they're too few and far between. mine is basically a Minecraft machine at this point. i much prefer my XL. the question remains though... no complaints about Vita portability, but no one seems capable of carrying an XL.... same size and all....
Seems like good business sense to me though fans will still complain anyway. When system sales aren't particularly high Nintendo has to maximise their profits and they did that by making only what they were sure would sell. We don't have to like it but we aren't Nintendo, they have their reasons for the things they do.
@daveh30 Yeah playstation has some good IP's but the vita didnt seem to get utilized very well sadly, and some of the games on the vita were also being released on the 3DS anyways (One piece unlimited world red for example). Also i was annoyed when i found out you couldn't play phantasy star portable on it in NA, and sega is taking their sweet time releasing the english version of PSO2. But anyways the XL thing is just a matter of preference and the fact that nintendo is holding something back just because they didnt think people would want it.
Ok, NoA. You meddled with our hearts. Now you can release the new 3ds please
After pulling a stunt like this they're lucky if I buy a 3DS at all, this is BS.
Nintendo doesn't owe us anything. They've been in cost cutting mode for a while now, and it's clearly a business decision. We voted with our wallets when the XL soundly outsold the original. Reading through these comments, its pretty ridiculous... it seems we have a vocal minority, who seem to think they're the mass majority, upset over a percieved personal slight from Nintendo. have a look back at #124... tell me thats not a load of self righteous bull. apparently the 'dedicated' refuse to play the XL... the XL is only to 'entice the unrestrained'.... seriously, some of these guys need to get over themselves...
@Yoshis95 I know, right? Just because they are happy with their xl, some people think they have the right to tell me what I like. Nobody can tell me what I will like (except maybe my wife,) not Nintendo, and certainly not random internet Nintendo fans. I think system comfort, whether in pocket or hand, is a very important consideration on a piece of portable tech that will log many hundreds of hours of gameplay.
@TingLz
"I don't see why anyone even bothered asking why it didn't come to the States when no one will likely like the answer"
That may be true of some, but not everyone; not me. If the answer (and therefore the reason) had been, 'We don't have enough produced, so we're waiting until we do to release it to such a large market,' it would be a straightforward answer, and I'd be content to wait. Now, if they didn't want to let on that they would be releasing it later, so as to maximize current sales for the XL, then maybe they could've said, 'After the struggles that the Wii U had in selling, we are trying to be more efficient and cautious in our releases, so we made the decision to only release one New model in our region.' I'd be disappointed, but at least I'd have an honest answer that made sense, so I'd accept it and move on.
Instead, Damon Baker explained that, basically, they didn't want to make too many choices available so as to limit confusion and appeal to more of the general public. Why don't I believe that to be true, even for a second? They called their new 3DS the New 3DS. Consumer confusion is flat out not a key concern for them, if they were willing to do that. (They could've changed the name from New 3DS to Super 3DS, as they changed Famicom to Nintendo Entertainment System.)
Or the other, more nondescript reply: "We think New Nintendo 3DS XL makes the most sense for our market." As I've mentioned before, using a link posted earlier, the old XL was actually responsible for a lower percentage of overall old 3DS sales here in NA than in any other region. So if excluding the standard New 3DS "makes the most sense for our market," then it would make far more sense for all the other markets. But instead, those other markets did release the standard model. Maybe they felt it smarter to not upset one third of their fanbase (as the ratio is about 2:1, on average, everywhere) - a large chunk indeed.
In short: I would be more than happy to hear a valid, honest explanation. But the two that have been given thus far actually go against the sales data evidence or are contradictory with their actions. That's why it's so frustrating to me - they won't just come out with the real reason, whatever it is.
@Funbunz @Yoshis95 Thank you. I think some people just don't understand. It's not about faceplates, it's about the size. I like the slender regular size better. I don't care for a larger screen. And while yes I could carry the XL in my pocket, it wouldn't be as comfortable. It's why I stay away from those giant smartphones too. Maybe Nintendo's next handheld will be that size regular, and at that point I'll adjust. I'm just not going to be buying an XL just to have them announce a regular a month later.
@daveh30
"Why is it that I've never heard anyone complain about the portability of their Vita, but the almost identically sized XL (when closed) is apparently a non-transportable anchor?"
Here's my reasoning: My Vita (along with my XL) stays at home (though that might change now only because NIS America literally just announced Danganronpa Another Episode coming West this Fall)
@ShikabaneHime13 If you read my post again, I did infact say that people liked the New 3DS for more than faceplates.
@daveh30
"We voted with our wallets when the XL soundly outsold the original."
The XL soundly outsold the original in all other regions, as well - to an even greater degree, in fact, according to the official sales data report, linked above. All other regions still released the New standard, so that alone can't be the reason for them excluding it here.
"They've been in cost cutting mode for a while now, and it's clearly a business decision."
If that's actually the reason, then fine, I would accept that. But then at least afford us the dignity of telling us that straight out. Instead they give the explanations cited in my last comment - each of which I explained the fallacy of. If they're hurting financially, and that's the reason for this, then just say so. But no, they wouldn't want to admit such a thing, so instead they'll say it's to spare us confusion - sparing us confusion in our trip to the store to buy a new 3DS. I mean, a new 3DS XL, not a 3DS. I mean, a new New 3DS XL, not a 3DS XL. >_<
@Samuel-Flutter
"It's not about faceplates, it's about the size. I like the slender regular size better. I don't care for a larger screen. And while yes I could carry the XL in my pocket, it wouldn't be as comfortable."
That's exactly why I want the smaller model, too. No, it's not impossible to carry the XL in a pocket (especially in the winter, when I carry it in my coat). But it's definitely less comfortable for me - especially in the summer, when I'm always wearing shorts. When I take a walk, and earn "coins" on the system, the XL weighs down said shorts significantly more than the standard does; it just feels more awkward, I guess.
@daveh30, I might be less vocal about this if I believed this was just a cost cutting decision. If it were, North America wouldn't be the only territory to be skipped. My belief is that it's primarily because the US is way more likely to buy a new new xl (see what a bad name "new" is, Nintendo?) every time they make a new special edition. Would they rather sell a new unit for $200, or faceplates for $20? Not hard to see which they would prefer.
And is that simply cutting costs? No, that is milking consumers.
@Rocky2418 "All other regions still released the New standard, so that alone can't be the reason for them excluding it here."
Sure it could. You're assuming this was some sorta 'Nintendo HQ' decision handed down to NoA. Everything I've seen sounds like this was an NoA decision... They could have looked at the data for their region and made a decision that just happened to be a different decision than was made in other regions...
If you want my honest opinion, I'd bet money that the New 3ds releases along side Xenoblade, with a limited edition bundle, similar to the New XL and Major's Mask. I think you're all getting your panties in a knot over nothing...
@daveh30 obviously that's not what I meant, especially in such a negative light. If you'd define unrestrained, hopefully you'd see what I mean. I meant people with nothing holding them back, like money or particular whimsies. I know Nintendo doesn't owe me anything and I don't owe them either, that concept is void. But there is nothing wrong with knowing what you want for $200 in 2015, and it can be agreed that this situation is silly. Would you be so critical with Damon Baker's statement?
@Shiner1776 my impression of what Baker said was that it sounds like there's something he's not allowed to say yet, and he made a silly statement just trying to say something...
Like I said previously, I'd bet money the New 3DS launches alongside Xenoblade with a limited edition bundle. Baker knows that, he's just not allowed to say. Tripped up and sounded foolish trying to cover his butt...
New Nintendo 3DS Cover Plates No.038 (Monster Hunter Poogie)
http://goo.gl/cVWMNE
@daveh30 "If you want my honest opinion, I'd bet money that the New 3ds releases"
No one would be happier than I if you end up being right. I sure hope you are. It's just, when it comes to the NOA that I've grown accustomed to over the last 5 years or so, them doing the opposite of what many would bet money on has become commonplace. Hopefully this isn't one of those times.
Of course, knowing my luck, you'll be completely right - they'll release that Xenoblade bundle (which would be the black system), and never sell the white system here, screwing me over yet again. (Don't worry, I know the color isn't an important matter, despite being important to me.)
@daveh30
"my impression of what Baker said was that it sounds like there's something he's not allowed to say yet, and he made a silly statement just trying to say something...
Like I said previously, I'd bet money the New 3DS launches alongside Xenoblade with a limited edition bundle. Baker knows that, he's just not allowed to say. Tripped up and sounded foolish trying to cover his butt..."
If that turns out to be the case, I don't think I'd be able to throw money at Nintendo fast enough....
@daveh30 I was only speaking from experience with my little brothers. What you said about the Game Boy was interesting though because I find that it actually fit in my hands better as a child then it does for me now.
@daveh30 I'm pretty sure that's what will happen too. It's just this notion that Americans are guinea pigs to corporations. Mcdonalds, Walmart, Doritos, whatever. We all know Nintendo has done and can do better, or at least appear so in a such a way. It's disappointing to me, therefore i believe this decision has damaged their brand to some extent.
@ShikabaneHime13 "If that turns out to be the case, I don't think I'd be able to throw money at Nintendo fast enough...."
You and me both (assuming the white one is a choice). I'd have that thing pre-ordered immediately.
@TingLz Sigh... Of all people, you respond to me. Well anyway, regarding to what you wrote to me, I may want to fact check? Well, most of what I wrote (If not all of it.) is hypothetical. Now, responding to your first response I realize that both NOA and NOE are "operating under the same umbrella." aka NOJ. Ok fine, that makes sense, but NOA and NOE sharing the same banks? That I'm not so sure. I think they both have their own banks in their own regions that they use. Yes, ultimately serving NOJ but still.
Responding to your second response, The whole west coast strike situation attributing to the lack of amiibos. While that is true, this whole shortage of amiibo figures in the States has been happening almost Immediately once they were released back in November I believe it was.
No.3 The reason why it was a point was because how would you market this entire situation? Have you seen Nintendo's instruction video? It's pretty poor. And almost everyone and their mothers have been criticizing this process, thus leading to the "faithlessness" I'd mentioned in my comment.
No.4 You basically wrote 190+ employees were temporary leased workers who had little job security.... I don't really remember them being temp workers who are more than likely going to lose their jobs. From what I faintly remember, I believe it was 300+ employees who were regular workers at NOE who unfortunately lost their jobs because ends didn't meet.... I guess my memory is way to hazy to remember so I suppose I'll take your word for it.
And the last part you wrote: (Even though this wasn't really a response to what I've wrote.) "It does seem like petty damage control." Hazzah! We actually agree on something. Hell must've frozen over.
@Rocky2418
Lol! Yes, and thing is (as stated in my first comment in this article way above) I have 4 kids, plus myself and my spouse. Factor in all the money that would be spent that day >.<
@daveh30 Do I still need to get over myself, Dave? 'cause I thought we were talkin' vidya games.
The thing that bothers me the most, and that I have not seen mentioned, is that the Metallic Blue color for the XL was changed to New Red for the U.S.. Blue is my favorite color, and while I'm happy for the people who like red, I don't want the system unless the blue color comes over here. I lost interest in the New 3DS instantly because of that.
@ShikabaneHime13
Yeah, it's funny - I went out to eat with my older brother about 5 hours ago, and we were talking about that first post of yours (we'd each read it separately, apparently). Regardless of the XL's approximately 2:1 dominance ratio, deciding not to release the smaller size at all really screws over younger kids - and this is a video game company. (I'm aware that it's not impossible for younger kids to hold and use an XL, but there's no question that it would be less comfortable than the standard for most of them.) So yeah, I can empathize with you; and it's just another reason why this decision was very perplexing.
@Intrepid
As someone who only wants the white standard model, I can certainly relate when it comes to wanting a particular color. And what's more: red is actually favorite color, generally speaking (though I prefer white for electronics); and yet even I liked the blue New XL color more than the "red" one (more like reddish burgundy). I loved the red on the original 3DS, and it was fine on the old XL, too. But I just don't care much for this red. If I had been planning on getting a New XL (which I'm not), I would've picked the blue one (if it were an option here, which it's not). I think that one looks the nicest.
So yeah, I offer my condolences - I know the feeling. (It's also how I felt about the white Wii U Deluxe never coming here.)
@Rocky2418
Exactly! I mean, no matter how Nintendo tries to spin it in the long run, the smaller units and its faceplates alone can generate some pretty sizeable revenue beyond the inital purchase. I'm already fighting to find the damn Xenoblade set for myself (i have imported both sizes of the new 3DS line for Japanese studies but immedately sold my XL after playing with the smaller unit for a while) and trying to figure if I want to also import the Monster Hunter set from Europe... Ah, the choices....
@Rocky2418 Yeah, the same same color can go through different shades across systems. I remember not liking the blue of the normal XL and waited a black one instead. Now I find a blue I like and we can't have it. If there wasn't any region lock this wouldn't have been a problem.
Sorry to hear that you also got screwed out of a color you wanted. Hopefully Nintendo will release the Metallic Blue system over here eventually.
I've said it before, I would have likely sprung (sprang?) for the New 3DS model if it was released here for the faceplate possibilities and the fact that I already have a gorgeous red and black XL model I have no plans on selling, so it would be nice to have the smaller system for the diversity. The regular 3DS on the other hand was always too small and felt kinda flimsy before I sold it. (also not a fan of the fingerprint analysis that was metallic paint...)
Even if they had more pleasing looking consoles in terms of colors or maybe even released a NA specific range of XL faceplates I would have been there this week to pick one up. As it stands, the 'new red' and 'new black' are ugly to me. As far as 'limited editions' go, good luck getting one at retail price is all I will say about those...
@Tazcat2011 Well I keep hearing rumors of them removing the region lock but it's just that, rumors.
@ColdingLight
2. And the port strike was ALSO happening since November: http://www.cnbc.com/id/102208764. Matter of fact, it started around Smash's release date (though no specific date is mentioned)
3. If you do the transfer yourself, you would see how specific the instructions are. It literally tells you what to do and what not to do in each step.
4. Your memory is incorrect. Only a smaller percentage (~100) were actual Nintendo employees
@Bazly I'm not the writer nor writing staff, but these are my responses anyway.
About the writing, you seem to have misplaced the order of the argument in the first place. If you read carefully, he started with "we understand fans' discouragement and think it's justified" and then he tried to explain possible explanations and logic for Nintendo's decision. From my perspective, he wrote equally on both sides trying to give both sides the benefit of the doubt.
Even in the conclusion, he mentions that fans are justified to have complaints for a lack of options. Now I'm not sure how this exactly favors Nintendo, but I suggest a reread before you make scathing accusations.
There's a big hole in this stupid "logic":
Everything, specially the Firmware version loaded on the North American New 3DS XLs, point at a manufacture date of no later than October 31st. Nintendo had the stock for this launch back then, it just held onto it to try to maximize sales of the previous model at the full price point and keep GameStop's rage at bay. Remember, GameStop paid for an exclusive NES-style regular 3DS XL, which was released in November. If Nintendo had launched the New 3DS XL when they had it ready several months ago, they would have risked their relationship with one of the biggest retail chains for their products. Besides, I assure you Nintendo isn't upset about the extra sales they got from clueless parents that got their kids a 3DS XL for Christmas who would've otherwise bought the more expensive to make New 3DS or waited for a restock given the current inventory issues with it.
I can understand the reasoning around stocking issues, but Nintendo could always make the standard-sized New3DS available to North Americans as an online-only shopping option.
I was really disappointed when I heard the New3DS wasn't coming to North America, especially since most of the reasons for buying an XL over a stand-sized unit are no longer applicable. The original 3DS had tiny screens, poor build quality and terrible battery life, so an XL was really the only reasonable option to purchase, but the standard-sized New3DS has larger screens and better battery life than original while still being small enough to fit in one's pocket and has those wonderful faceplates — all of which make it the best option for purchase. Too bad we don't get it here in North America.
It's also a shame everyone seems to be extrapolating potential sales (in North America) for the New3DS vs NewXL based on the 3DS vs XL, since the differences between units this generation actually favour the smaller unit making those extrapolations entirely illogical.
All that said, my current XL works fine, so there's really no need to upgrade anyways.
@DGGames, I really think you are on to something there. It's starting to look like Nintendo is going to do all of the shady things that some other game companies do. It's a shame, because one of the best reasons to be a Nintendo customer was that they didn't pull this kind of poop. Between their product stock issues, strange console decisions and now even games with micro transactions, I'm kind of worried about the direction they are headed.
Man, Nlife should really be more considerate about publishing certain articles. Especially if there are no for sure answers to the problem. Such things as this only stir peoples emotions
@daveh30 Well that's true if you haven't seen one of the new ones (NOA to blame for that!), and I agree the design of the old one is less than stellar. The new one is really nice - reminiscent of the GBA SP with rounded corners etc. Feels more solid than the new XL one as well. ILets hope Nintendo change their minds!
Xl should have had faceplates, simple solution. Yet just like with amiibo, nintendo dont want our money
My issue with Nintendo regarding the New 3DS is couple of things.
A) the stupid name
B) the media silence around the so called limited edition cover plates (Majora's Mask, Pikachu and Kirby) aka cover plates 056, 057 and 058.
My bloody axe will start flying if they release again like 10 copies of the cover plates and some ebay resellers buy all.
Nintendo is even advertising the Majora's Mask covers on their webpages in UK, but no sign of the cover plate has been seen anywhere and it is the most glorious one.
You can have the small new 3DS i didn't get, America. I'm totally fine with my MH4 new 3DS XL.
Also, while reading the article "Emotion Detector" by Rush came to mind.
After reading some of the most ridiculous comments ever, I have decided that I no longer want to be considered a Nintendo Fanboy. The entitlement on display is amazing, and for something so non profound. I hope to goodness you are that passionate about such things as politics, foreign relations, economic growth and stability and any other thing that actually matters. I guess I am just a guy that really likes Nintendo products and the quality software they produce. Faceplates are cool and I would totally dig them, but jeez, are the reactions justified?! I think not.
@Zodiak13 the reason you see rants like this is because of how others get better stuff than us. Personally, I don't mind the exclusive XL NA at all as long as its out there and we get the option. I think playing games on a big screen is really nice. Granted, pixellation can rarely be a bothersome but still.
Most of the time, Nintendo of America makes decisions that no one wants them to do at all like what was the reason to not bring Mario and Wario from Japan to US? or like what was the reason to clone Doki Doki Panic to Super Mario Bros 2? Or even better, what's the reason of censoring poor lovely Tharja?
I'm not personally angry about this, as I would want the XL model anyway, if I were to upgrade to a New 3DS. Which I will eventually, I just haven't decided when. I started off with the regular size 3DS. Last year, I upgraded to the XL, because exposure to cold temperatures damaged my 3DS (specifically the sleep mode, and I needed the sleep mode to function for Bravely Default.) When shopping online for another 3DS, the price for the standard size was obscene, so I got the cheaper XL instead. The XL felt and even looked odd to me at first, as I was used to the smaller model, but now I can't imagine ever going back.
Having said all that though, it doesn't make a lot of sense to not bring the standard size New 3DS to America, while keeping the old 3DS XL on shelves. Now that the New 3DS XL is out, the 3DS XL is obsolete (clarification: I mean obsolete from a marketing standpoint; they are still perfectly functional for anyone that can't, or don't want to upgrade to a New 3DS immediately.) Why would consumers buy a 3DS XL now when they can buy a New 3DS XL? The only people I can imagine buying a 3DS XL is someone that is unaware of the existence of the New 3DS. If a customer was unaware about the existence of the New 3DS and bought an old 3DS XL, then later found out about the existence of the superior New 3DS XL, I think they would be furious. I certainly would be, if it were me. It wouldn't be me though, as I make it a point about informing myself on products that I care about. I think Nintendo should discontinue the old 3DS XL immediately to remove the confusion, and only stock New 3DS systems. Getting rid of the 3DS XL would give consumers better options, they would be able to buy New 3DS's in regular and XL sizes. I think it's far more confusing to random customers to have both 3DS XL and New 3DS XL on shelves than it would be to have both New 3DS and New 3DS XL. I also don't think there would be much anger if they stopped stocking the 2DS. If they want to keep selling the 2DS, they need to make them as the New 2DS, so that all the systems are consistently available in the New models only. This would be the best way to remove confusion in my opinion.
@Zodiak13
It's a discussion site about Nintendo. I don't get your confusion.
And yes people are allowed to feel a sense of entitlement. They wanted a consumer product which they are entitled to do. The consumer product company isn't allowing them to purchase that product so they are entitled to be annoyed. Again, I don't understand your confusion.
I don't care so much about the faceplates, but they are a nice alternative if you don't like the standard console colors. With the current situation I have the choice between red, black, or nothing, and I'm choosing nothing. I wouldn't mind getting a regular New 3DS instead of an XL if it meant being able to at least customize the appearance.
While I get the anger and I think Nintendo should definitely release the Fisher Price-version of the New 3DS in 'Merica, I don't get this idea of' entitlement' or 'right' or whatever. It's not like Nintendo is obligated to even release ANYTHING anywhere, as some people seem to think.
Faceplates are nice, but personally I'd never swap a 3DS XL for a standard-sized 3DS.
@Bazly You asked for a response, so fine. What exactly I'm supposed to add in the first section on fan perspectives is beyond me. The argument and goals for the campaign are simple (which is actually a strength for it) - bring the New Nintendo 3DS to North America.
As always, things are more complicated when you start talking about shipping issues, business decisions etc. I'm merely pointing out factors that aren't always obvious, and that takes a bit more space.
Just because one section has more words than the other, doesn't mean I'm 'favouring' it. I don't appreciate the claim it's 'lazy' when, actually, it's the opposite. There's detail and focus beyond saying 'this is bad, boo', which was the whole point, to share some information for the sake of context.
As someone else has pointed out above, I repeatedly share sympathy and agreement with the NA campaign, and have agreed with its sentiment in multiple editorials (also linked in the article.) So I fundamentally disagree with your comment.
Is that a legitimate enough response?
@Superstick so do you want strawberry or grape?
Nintendo said "no" to the standard New 3DS, so stop badgering them and wasting their time.
They did it to increase their profit gain and couldnt care less about the XLs stretched out picture or consumer choice. This is Nintendo now, they pick and choose exactly where they wont meet demand with supply so they could sell more expensive items. NA is essentially their "whale" now.
I dont mind, it'll just hurt them in the long run once they've milked the cow dry.
I can understand the disappointment many feel. Yes, it's disappointing when something you have been looking forward to is not released in your region - this is something Europeans can particularly sympathise with. However, I can't help but feel the several thousand internet forum-goers are but a drop in the ocean in the grand scheme of things. In any case, petitions and pleas for the release of certain products do not always translate to comparable sales and companies have been stung by this in the past. For a business with known problems maintaining profitability in recent years is it worth it? I believe, however, it is more an issue of allocating stock globally than anything, with respect to their streamlined manufacturing capabilities.
If folk want to boycott buying a New 3DS at all, that is their right, but the XL is still a lovely piece of hardware that people shouldn't miss out on.
Anyhoo, Thomas nice balanced article as usual.
I've already lost interest in the console. As well as Nintendo, there business practices are absolutely terrible. Hell I thought Microsoft was bad at making decision but at least they listen to there fanbase. But Nintendo beats them to it. This is just an excuse, because how the hell does Europe, Australia & Japan get it? I'm just going to stay away from them until they learn how to do things better. I'll still pay attention but to buy things from them nope. Sorry.
It sounds like Nintendo won't listen to fans in NA, I honestly believe they wont until some kind of grassroots boycott happens. If they refuse to listen to us then let's see what their investors think about a boycott and the value of their stock drops. We can make it happen people.
I personally don't mind that we haven't received face plates in the west since I have the Monster Hunter limited edition New 3DS. I wouldn't replace mine anyway, but it sucks for those who don't, I'm sure they will release them eventually.
Personally, I prefer the XL, but I get the frustration of fans. The problem I see is that they announced both models in the NA direct. They announced them, showed the face plates, and then never mentioned it again. They didn't clarify or apologize...they just ignored it until people started to question where it was.
Personally, I would have preferred the smaller N3DS with the faceplates but since I was offered the Majora's Mask N3DSXL I was content. With that said, I feel like this is Nintendo going the cheap route when it comes to buying shelf space and added production costs to stock the faceplates in NA. I don't really think it has anything to do with simplifying the choices for the consumer because I can't honestly believe that Nintendo disregards the number in sales they have garnered here. At least I'd like to think that. I think they looked at how bad the Amiibo situation has gone down since they released and made decision based on supply & demand and felt they could not stock both systems adequately at launch figuring they could appease the core consumers by launching the larger unit in attempt to avoid the already bad PR they have with Amiibos. Obviously, just the opposite happened. I feel like if they would have just released the smaller one with the faceplates (which I would have bought), we wouldn't be having this discussion. Yet you'd still have people complaining that they weren't given a choice in the matter despite getting what is the more preferred option overall.
Great write up Thomas, this definitively is the kind of story that brings me here. Personally I think the consumer back lash comes from the design of the products as well. The new 3ds is a new design and the new 3dsxl is pretty much new internals in the last model. I believe this is also a battle of preference for the new design ascetic of the new 3ds that people clearly appreciate and want.
As far as those who gripe about Nintendo's inability to market a product, at this point the company has been successfully selling video games & consoles for well over 30 years now so just the mere mention of a new product will have people talking based on word of mouth. Besides, how often have you seen a commercial on TV for one of their products? The answer is few and far between because they don't need it anymore. You go in a game store and you'll see an ad, what more do they have to do?
the issue with stocking america with "lower" preforming products (monster hunter, new 3DS, Amiibo and the rainfall games) is simply how many copies they have to send to catch those few who want them. its an issue we'll see less with software thanks to digital distribution but with hardware the only way to not have the excess unsold stock would be to exclusively sell the N3DS via their online store. Obviously this gives Nintendo a monopoly on the device and could raise the price but its the easiest way for both those who want the smaller model and Nintendo who doesn't want thousands of unsold systems spread across america
@AirElephant
No I don't think it's cynical, the WiiU has done poorly, so they'll milk their biggest market for every $ they can, give it 6-12 months and the regular N3DS will be released their, and then probably another year down the line come E3, announce a new handheld and home console and drop the WiiU like a stone.
@dbobo I'm unsure how it works in america but over here our only pure games retailer GAME only offers Nintendo about 4 meters of shelf space (VS 10 + of their rivals) it doesn't matter how much Nintendo has to sell all their products (games, systems, Amiibo, Pre-owned and accessories) in that space. My local store wont carry the reg N3DS you have to order it from online or a larger store
Maybe Ninty EU and NA should align themselves to avoid upsetting the fan base. Perhaps they should have also delayed the normal size in EU also (I'm sure it will be available in NA eventually)
I don't think Ninty would have not sold the normal N3DS based on sales of the original, as there are lot of design changes that make it a far better product.
Selling Online only would have been a good option, as people have already mentioned.
It's the same issue on the VC. If we had alignment between EU and NA, these issues can be avoided (IMO)
@AirElephant Reggie also worked for Pizza Hut... What does that have to do with anything? Please, respond with some courtesy, I have no idea what you're getting at. Reggie does not make all marketing decisions, so I'm not sure where you're going. Marketing department is different from executive... Sit in a few corporate meetings, you'll see the difference.
@Ootfan98 That'd make sense, the markets should be treated as one, so it'll defiantly never happen lol.
@Bazly I'm frustrated by your tone... No one says you have to like what you see! I don't like to hear that a game I've waited over a year for, has been a let down port... I don't like to read that babies get cancer and that puppies die, but it all happens. Calling out the NL writing staff for information YOU personally disagree with, that's weak. Trolls at least try and find clever ways to annoy, you just insult.
@Zodiak13 Thank you for some much-needed rational thinking injected into this mess of whining childishness. This is so sad--people furious because they didn't get the size and color they want of a luxury item.
@electrolite77 In no way whatsoever are you entitled to a consumer product. You have no right to one. You may purchase one if available, but it is not a right. You act as though Thomas Locke enumerated a NN3DS as a Natural Right of Man along with Life, Liberty and Property. Get outside and breathe. It's just a video game console.
Letsb face it they are right in a way in America there are plenty of stupid people out there who cant even tell the difference between products and dont even bother to do their research. I always feel the people who blast Nintendo's decisions never bother to examine it from a retailer or business perspective. Even in Japan the New XL is the more popular model. They have reason to feel the XL is better suited for the American market since bigger screens seems to be the popular trend here from what I have sen and a lot of people generally prefer larger screens when it comes to handhelds. The problem with releasing the smaller model is that it may not sell well. If you read on of NLs previous articles part of it could hae to do with Nintendo attempting to streamline their inventory. People also need to realize the American handheld market is completely different from the EU and Japanese ones. Complaining abd blasting them on internet message boards solves nothing. Usually the minority tends to be loudest. Ouright trashing a company because they dont release a system in the size or color you want is just petty and stupid and Dr Awkward above me here makes a pretty good point too
@BinaryFragger that's just perception... You do not KNOW that as fact. How many standard units were shipped versus XL models? What were the sales numbers once the XL was released versus the standard model? If the numbers were anything like they were for the new XL we could see why they may not have restocked standard models in particular regions... Perhaps that history could shed some light on Nintendo's current decision.
@Dr_Awkward
You are entitled to complain if a company doesn't provide you with the product you want or provides a poor service. The only relationship most people have with a revenue seeking company like Nintendo is that of consumer and provider. People are entitled to ask for a product, complain if it isn't supplied and withhold funds. That's the Modern World and more people need to start acting like active consumers rather than gullible drones.
The other outlet is sites like this where problems can be discussed. The last two sentences directed at me make no sense and I'm afraid, just make it look like you have no argument.
Can we really get mad at Nintendo for making a wise businesses move...?
Besides, the only people who are frustrated are the die-hard Nintendo fans... Like me.
@electrolite77 I am also entitled to cry if someone calls me a name, but that would just mean I am a baby with no sense of what is real and important.
Further, it seems to me that only a "gullible drone" (snicker) would think that getting his undies in a bunch about not getting faceplates will make Ninety change their decision.
I work in market research; I am 100% certain that Nintendo has run the numbers again and again for a decision like a new product launch, and found that only releasing the NN3DSXL in NA is the right move at this time.
You clearly have zero perspective on how businesses make decisions like this, which is exactly why you sound like an immature child who needs to get less screen time, and more of a sense of what is real and important in the world. Go play outside. (That is what I would tell either my 5 or 6 year old if they were throwing a fit like so many of the people on this message board. Y'all sound just like them.)
@SonsofBelichick actually, you're right, at that note, best keep it as an EU exclusive, heh heh lol
@BertoFlyingFox ahem. Haven't you heard the cows crying "We have all the milk you need Nintendo! We just don't want to give you milk for a gigantic 3DS... We want a smaller one. Once we get that, you can has all our monies!" Read on... You'll see that's what "the core gamer" demographic is saying here on this site. It's sad that the vocal minority considers themselves the only core gamers...
I personally feel that the issue here is that Nintendo as a worldwide company unveiled two new 3DS models and then has denied just one region access to one of those models. Who wouldn't feel left out in that situation? Historically, its not been unheard of for particular models to only see a Japanese region release (Gameboy Light), but this is different.
Sure, there may not be as much demand for the smaller model as the XL, but that is no excuse for denying choice. If the N3DS is expected to only reach 25% of the sales of the N3DSXL (for example), then just put that quantity to market, keep an eye on the situation, adjust as necessary.
@Dr_Awkward
Ah you're in Market Research? So of course Nintendos 'numbers' must be right? No chance they could have made a mistake. How sweet. I wouldn't snicker at the 'gullible drone' bit.
Look, this is a site dedicated to news about, and discussion of, Nintendo issues. Sometimes people may even not like something they've done. If that bothers you (and your last paragraph certainly suggests it does) stick to the official site.
@Platypus101 you're missing point. None of us ever said that our opinion and ONLY our opinion mattered. What we're saying is that our opinion DOES matter, just like everyone else who voiced an opinion.
The real issue is that Nintendo is denying us the 'consumer choice' - that same choice they've given the entire rest of the world. So, you got your N3DSXL - I'm happy for you! I'm sad that I didn't get my N3DS (regular size), and instead of banding together with us and helping other people be happy like you are, you're spending more time and energy telling us how stupid we are for wanting the other unit. The 'core gamer' demographic is now fractured thanks to you and people like you.
We all should be working together to communicate effectively with Nintendo instead of fighting amongst ourselves.
Platypus101 and Dr. Awkward, why be such faceplate trolls? This is why these kind of marketing decisions are so annoying- Bro types online going "oh boohoo, you actually wanted to buy something specific? Lol, babies." Nintendo has struck a nerve somewhere, any way you look at it. This is stupid.
@Shiner1776 trolls?
"This is why these kind of marketing decisions are so annoying- Bro types online going 'oh boohoo, you actually wanted to buy something specific? Lol, babies.'"
Oh, see, I thought all the people who were whining were whining about not getting faceplates. But thank you for clearing that up--they are whining because people are telling them to stop whining.
"Platypus101 and Dr. Awkward, why be such faceplate trolls?"
See, I would have thought that the trolls were the people who can't deal with the reality of not getting their new shiny.
"Nintendo has struck a nerve somewhere, any way you look at it."
Yes, struck a nerve amongst a tiny whiny fraction of a minority.
Waaahhh!
#plategate
@Platypus101 this seems like something only Nintendo fans would do: have a faction war... Lol. Though Damon Baker didn't help things by generalizing the "core" audience. Being that obviously no matter how big or small it is, the ones that prefer the standard size 3DS, for whatever reasons, is just a fraction of the core audience. I'd consider myself part of the core audience, but I prefer the larger screen.
@justinr the the core audience is fractured because Nintendo decided to not release a product that a portion of the fans desired. All the bickering back and forth is due to people having a strong opinion one way or the other on the situation amongst some of our fans. I agree. It sucks that those that wanted the standard feels like they are being fleeced. I also agree that despite our preferences we, as Nintendo fans should stick up for one another and get together to communicate to Nintendo. Even if it was to score a limited run of standard 3DSes
My, what a lot of self-righteous, condescending snark against those of us who want the N3DS rather than the XL. Insult after insult. People whinging about people whinging. But from the stratosphere of superior intellect so it's ok. Lol.
Nintendo doesn't owe me anything. Neither do I owe them anything. I have bought every iteration they've release since the NES except for the virtual boy and the WiiU. Multiple units due to having 2 kids. I will limp along with my circlepad-less original blue XL. I will vote with my wallet. I will voice my opinion of poor decisions on websites dedicated to nintendo.
I will continue to laugh at holier-than-thous that seem to feel if they are happy everyone should be. Those that feel they are entitled to tell others 'it fits in my pants!' Those offering candy pacifiers. Those who feel being upset somehow takes our intellect off wars, IS, and the myriad of problems facing today's world.
Good grief.
@justinr ok... So because Europe has cars (namely transport trucks) I'm in the market for, and you're happy with your choice of car, I should reasonably expect you to help me campaign to bring those models over from Europe? You're being unreasonable. You can feel as entitled to something as you want, it does not make you right. You're missing my point, you don't have it, so why mourn it? Also, seeing as the rest of the world already has it, isn't it reasonable to believe that they may just be holding off on the standard size model? You may be jumping the gun here, it's not an actual "new" console.... More of a DSLite, not required, but would be nice to have.
@Platypus101. ok... So because Europe has cars (namely transport trucks) I'm in the market for, and you're happy with your choice of car, I should reasonably expect you to help me campaign to bring those models over from Europe?
No, it's more 'since justinr is happy with his choice of car you should not even want the transport trucks available in Europe'.
@k8sMum same difference. Regardless of how you put it, this argument is simply silly. Faceplates? Really? That's what makes a difference in your gaming? Smaller frame, that too is going to make a huge difference... My assumption for the Devils advocates is "yes, it makes all the difference in the world!" Let's call this for what it is, entitlement. Sorry, Not angry at you... This whole argument seems silly. We know Nintendo has plans for the NA 3DS market, why is everyone freaking out? I feel that by telling people that they were not going to release it in NA, Nintendo created their own hype. Why do expect to see a whole lot of "limited edition" pre-orders of standard "new" 3DS models soon? Since the whole Amiibo craze, I can see that becoming a thing, especially with this level of outcry for said item.
Well, it's all moot because you don't seem to know about the main differences between the 3DS and the N3DS. I have stated numerous times that I don't give a rat's about the faceplates, but you keep bugging about them if it makes you feel better. That and the buzzword 'entitlement'. Lol.
I also don't care if you are or aren't getting anything. What does it have to do with me? Nada. Which is how it should be.
@Platypus101 you're right, that post was an accidental copy and paste... My purchasing anything had nothing to do with you. This is the first I have mentioned faceplates... Eh? :/ are you mad at me? I'm sorry we got off on the wrong foot. My sincerest apologies as I had no intention of upsetting you to such a degree. That was never my intention.
@k8sMum hopefully I'm not lumped in all that. I said it fits in my pocket, but it's from a purely anecdotal POV, I realize just because it works for me doesn't mean it works for everyone.
@Platypus101 I'm in the opinion, as I've said yesterday, that Nintendo is holding off until later to release the Standard. Given supply problems, retail space and Nintendo trying to hit profit margins for the fiscal year, I honestly think it's more about having a focused launch. The port strike I think exasperated things and changed the game plan around the US launch. I see your point, but I'm not sure about the car analogy. The problem is they've offered choice with the original 3DS family. The "new" line, as it pertains to NA, that choice is being taken away at the moment. I think those that want the new hardware, have a right to to be upset about it. I personally don't think it's unreasonable for folks to want a call to arms to those who are willing to fight with them. That's how recruiting works, right?
@k8sMum also, just because I'm not interested in one, does not mean I don't know the differences. That was an attack on my knowledge... Since quite few people I know have one and have showed it off to me, I've seen the differences with my own eyes. I may not be as picky as some (apparently 55FPS looks different than 60FPS, can't tell personally) so that just maybe it. The 3D is improved over my current 3DS, and it boots up quicker... Also, the faceplates are very cool (my co-worker imported his)
@BinaryFragger I understand, all I am saying is to give it time. Microsoft had time to change their mind before the release of the console (a few months from what I remember), we found out about this a month before they released it and boom! Nobody is waiting... We all know Nintendo loves to release multiple iterations of the same unit year after year. All I'm saying is for some patience, and in the mean time either buy yourself a new 3DS or simply wait for the model of your choice.
You trolls need to stop asking why we'd want something like the N3DS and start asking real questions to Nintendo of (skipping) America. They deserve the trivialities, not the fans who've been waiting since last year for a chance at one. I'm not happy to post on sites like these for hopefully obvious reasons. Every other part of life is filled with frustration, and Nintendo is supposed to be a sanctuary from those things- for a nominal price of course. This situation is the definition of preventable.
@Platypus101
I apologise for coming across as harsh to you. I am just tired of being told I have no place being discouraged by ninty's decision. The name calling and condescension in this thread is over the top, imho. Whinging about whinging is taking the focus away from why some of us legitimately want the N3DS over the XL.
I don't really think it's a matter of entitlement. If customers aren't happy, then they will complain.
Tbh, I think nintendo forgets that the internet exists. Back in the day, we wouldn't know about new consoles/games til we got our copy of Nintendo Power in the mail. Even then we didn't always find out about regional differences.
They don't get that information is instantaneous now. They love their secrecy and coyness, but much of it just won't work today. I am a little old lady, a grandma, and I am way more with the times than they are.
Now I have to admit that I am an extremely cool little old lady and grandma, but c'mon: these people get paid a lot of money to make decisions and they seem to be shooting themselves in the foot a lot, lately. You need to spend money to make money, sometimes. Hunkering down with protectionism isn't gonna impress today's consumers. We have easy access to global information. I don't think that makes ninty too happy.
@k8sMum @Platypus101 I might just go ahead and buy an Australian normal new 3DS if i get one. To me the faceplates are cool, but i understand that they're not a huge deal, but i just really like the size of the regular model. And so many people here (for some strange reason) feel like we should just accept the XL as superior or as no difference, but I like portability and even if the XL still isnt too much bigger, its still bigger which is going to make a differnce, and also as the nintendo rep stated, both systems have the same resolution. Well having the same resolution between 2 screen sizes is gonna make a differnce, like say the game was made for the small model, well now the picture is gonna be stretched to fit a bigger screen and not look as good. Anyhoot
One of the issues is that this is yet another NIntendo of America decision that in their words "Angers up the core fanbase".
How many times can they make these decisions and expect the core fanbase to stick around?
@ecco6t9 exactly, in their own words they've acknowledged that this decision would be a big let down to their fanbase. This sets a risky tone for such a company and it's incredibly disrespectful to those who have supported them up to this point.
I'd like to think I'm one of nintendo's most important customers. I'm the guy that buys multiple consoles and copies of games to have fun with groups of people that would otherwise not be in such a demographic. Little else you can do for hours packed like sardines. I always assumed nintendo would provide as long as I paid good money for their products.
But NOA had sent a very blunt and condescending message to their fans. This psychologically manipulative method of hyping a "you can't have it" product is beyond outdated. It's simply rude and demeaning.
I believe the XL model sells more in the US just because most Americans don't understand the difference between screen resolution and screen size. They see bigger and they assume better.
It's a shame as the games themselves get stretched out and don't look nearly as crisp. Then again, anyone remember games for their graphics?
@Platypus101 "What were the sales numbers once the XL was released versus the standard model? If the numbers were anything like they were for the new XL we could see why they may not have restocked standard models in particular regions..."
I posted a link to exactly those sales numbers back in comment #20. Feel free to look. In a nutshell, in NA, once the XL was released (so excluding all 3DS sales from prior to that), 14% of total sales came from the 2DS, 30% came from the 3DS, and 56% came from the 3DS XL. (BTW, that 56% for the old XL? Lower than in any other region. And yet we're the only region that was only given the New XL as a choice at launch...) Oh, and as a side note: In NA, during just the first first year of the old XL's availability - before the 2DS release, when the choices were just 3DS or 3DS XL - 2,130,000 standard 3DS systems were sold, and 2,140,000 XL systems were sold. That's 50.1% for the XL, and 49.9% for the standard - almost even, and about 5% higher for the standard here during that year than in any other region.
Yeah, we 'muricans clearly all want the big one...
@Shiner1776 "Every other part of life is filled with frustration, and Nintendo is supposed to be a sanctuary from those things- for a nominal price of course."
This. For me, so much this. Look, pretty much everyone here is well aware of the fact that these are just video games, and not something to completely devastate us. But in the "real" world - in areas that really matter - life for many or at least some of us can be very difficult, frustrating, and even depressing. Video games - or any hobby for that matter - can be a nice respite, a distraction, from those difficulties. So when frustration seeps over in these other parts of life - these distractions - it can feel exasperating.
I'm not trying to say, 'I'm frustrated, so give me what I want!' No. I'm saying let us simply feel the way we're feeling - even expressing our disappointment and frustration in video game news comments sections such as this (as long as we're respectful and not insulting anyone) - without feeling the need to jump down our throats or call us whiny crybabies, simply because we expressed our disappointment. Doing that is far more immature than someone who merely voices how they feel about something.
@Supersick just playing. I hope everybody gets what they want and in a few months maybe we will.
@Operative
Their PR department is just one guy in an office who is regularly told to sit quietly.
I've seen both models (own the XL) and the XL model has much much higher quality screens. The regular model has screens at about the 2DS level, it's almost unreal how superior the XL is in terms of viewing angles, contrast and color, the best displays ever on a Nintendo handheld IMO.
@FcsevenXIII I'd say the same method would work with the NFL,but we all know that will never happen.
Nintendo isn't laughing at their fans. They're saying 'We knew you'd be mad, it's funny how personally you're taking this'. Japanese gamers buy the white Wii U. To the point the black system was phased out. Key fobs are huge in Japan. White is an immensely popular console color in general. Flourescent, bright colors are popular.
But really, the biggest difference between EU / Japan and NA, is reliance on public transportation. And NA gamers that will buy the 'New XL' aren't looking for flashy children's toys. Which is exactly the stigma associated with the faceplates.
A local games guy told me (after selling all 38 of their stock in 4 hours) 'It's Nintendo's most legitimate offering and the 'suits' are all over it. We don't have room for extra accessories either.'
Which brings up my final point: gaming is less and less a 'physical science'. Had the Wii U Basic or original 3DS been better received, I'd be confused. But NA gamers have proven they won't support options en masse, they just want the option of further distinguishing themselves, to elevate themselves over what they perceive to be 'lesser' markets.
@NodesforNoids "NA gamers that will buy the 'New XL' aren't looking for flashy children's toys."
That's silly. This isn't about assumptions or generalizations, it's about the options and the service that Nintendo provides. This is a botched release coupled with condescending PR.
Let's also not forget the female demographic that was looking forward to this N3DS model.
@Wolfgabe the 3DS has been discontinued in NA. So there is only 2DS, 3DSXL, and New 3Ds XL. I suspect the old 3 DS to be discontinued as well soon. So there really is no confusion. I think they just assumed wrong in thinking nobody will buy into the faceplates. Or people won't want special edition xls if they have face plates. I dunno.
I like the faceplates. I like the white color option. If they made XL white with faceplates I'd buy one. Because just having a little bit faster processor and a nub isn't enough to make me want to buy one. It's not a true successor to 3DS.
I like that they added a customization element to the system. I think it's a big selling point incentive.
As well as the new wallpaper options. Though a bit pricey.
No, what's condescending is acting like NoA is too stupid to realize the image conscious 'adult' gamers in NA would get their silver spoons all twisted after being 'betrayed'.
Nintendo is a business. They made a business decision. I've owned a 3DS. I wouldn't buy another small screen system, not after experiencing the Vita's far superior output.
I'm starting to really dislike NOA's decisions lately. I wish they'd bring more Japanese games over like Attack on titans for 3DS or the new DragonBall fighting game on 3DS or even that wii u game Fatal Frame.
Why do we only get just dance and The Voice, Mario Party 1 millionth. Are people really buying this crap? I guess so..
@NodesforNoids nobody is saying that NOA is stupid, it's just they're unwilling to please a good portion of their North American consumers.
But seriously, to each his/her own when it comes to what you're saying. I doubt most dudes sporting a black/red 3ds consider themselves "image conscious adults". But we're not debating our outfits here. This situation is stupid and should never happen with such a well supported brand.
@NodesforNoids
That is the biggest load of poop I've read in a long time. I don't want to elevate myself over anyone, I just want a unit that's kinder to arthritic hands. Btw: if by lesser markets you mean the rest of the world that got all options, then it makes no sense at all.
What the hell does public transport have to do with this? Since most in NA rely on cars, why would we care about people seeing our 'childish' handhelds?
facepalm
I got a better idea! How about instead of complaining and campaigning about porting over the smaller N3DS, we just ask for N3DSXLs to have face plate we can change!? Why ask for smaller when you can have it the size you want as well as combustibility? I mean it makes the most sense to me and it's less stupid than demanding N3DSs that will ultimately not sell as well as the vocal complaints would lead us all to believe.
I like the idea for face plates, but not enough to buy a console that will cramp my hands for it. So #XLFacePlates for me. I want face plates on my preferred handheld and you should too. Not all this crying about something you'll ultimately have less fun with.
@k8sMum I have a feeling this thread is falling apart... I had no idea how polarized the community was. At this point, I am hoping Nintendo releases SOME form of standard 3DS to round out the collection. I was unaware of the divide amongst our own (3DS users), next time I'm on the bus and I see another DS user, I'm gonna ask "why that model?" perhaps a better way of talking about console preference? Gots to be better than "yours sucks, mines better!"which seems to be what's happening at this point
Personaly, I'm happy with my new xl. Smaller screens and face plates don't entice me at all. I'm sure the smaller unit will reach na at some point, so I'm sure many of you with older 3ds units that don't want the new xl just need to wait it out. Speak with your wallets.
@ShadyKnights
Please, enlighten me as to why you wholeheartedly believe those interested in the smaller system would have "less fun" with it? Many here have already pointed out a multitude of reasons as to why they desire the smaller system outside of the faceplates, so apparently faceplates are in fact NOT the only reason people are campaigning for the standard sized system. And, to be frank, the likelihood of convincing Nintendo to release the smaller system is far more feasible than persuading them to spend what could be an insane amount of money to redesign the XLs to utilize faceplates. They have marketed the XLs without them as that is the easiest way to push Limited Editions, something of which, outside of Japan, the smaller model rarely got (Fire Emblem and Legend of Zelda are the only limited edition standard size units I ever saw in the US). Also, given the upcoming faceplates featuring Legend of Zelda and Xenoblade, interest has surged trememndously (almost all import sites sold out of the Xenoblade plates in no time at all, with others marking them up to ridiculous prices). Having imported both sizes of the New 3DS, I found the smaller system a nice middle ground as my US XL does not leave the house for a variety or reasons even though I wish to indulge in Streetpass, but the smaller system would fit perfectly into my small purse which would mean I could finally take the system out and about. And all four of my kids only use the origianl size 3DS, which they carry everywhere in their pockets so the standard size New 3DS is perfect for them as well. So do NOT tell us what our preferred model is just because Nintendo made the asinine statement that the XL is the only thing the American market would want. People have cited portability, screen resolution, price and customizability as reasons for wanting the smaller system. You want an XL? Well then, by default, customization is not in the cards unless you do it yourself or buy a special edition.
@ShikabaneHime13
Curious, I do not recall writing that I whole heartedly believe that those who want N3DSs would enjoy them less. I do, however, recall stating that those asking for smaller simply for the face plates would inherently enjoy the console less. Now true this is a generalization I admit, so if you find your feathers ruffled by my statement, my apologies, however those who tend to do things for superficial reason do tend to enjoy things less than those who don't as they are motivated by fickle reasoning.
Also feasibility is irrelevant. I believe in asking for what you want and what you'd enjoy. I don't feel it unreasonable as if neither comes out, I'll still get a N3DSXL later on down the road, and people who don't care about the XL face plates will still get them and we'll all be happy. However, most, not all, but most of whenever I hear people asking for the smaller N3DSs, it's only for the face plates. I rarely hear a substantial reasoning for it. So pardon me for my rudeness, I meant no offense. It's just that this is not a serious issue. Annoying, but not serious. We can still game, life will still go on. Now if we weren't getting a N3DS at all, that'd be a lil more serious. But I genuinely believe face plates for them will come out in a year or so, so~ yeah. Sorry again that I upset you.
@ShikabaneHime13
@LemonSlice above said the N3DS screens were inferior to the N3DS XL screens. It's the first time I've seen that; most have said the resolution and colour are great. What is your opinion on the comparison?
@ShadyKnights
Well, I appreciate the clarification on your statement and apologize if I misconstrued anything. However, I would like to disagree with you on the chance of faceplates coming along for the XL. Again, I point out that the XL is the easiest way for Nintendo to market their limited editions. Also, it would take some working to get the front cover off of an XL inless they were to release only back plates which would then, in turn, defeat the purpose imo.
Alos, on the subject of most people stating they want the system simply for the faceplates: it does still serve as a valid reason as that is pretty much the main selling point to differentiate the smaller model from the XL. I think, when Nintendo worked on these, they were thinking along the lines of, "Oh, the XL/XL limited edition is not to your liking? Well then, there is a smaller system which also allows you to change the look whenever you want if you aren't happy at the thought of buying mutliple systems just to have a different look." I mean of course that's only my speculation as to how they thought to only put faceplates on the smaller system, so...
But yeah, I at least speak for myself and my children as to why I wish to see the release of the smaller system here in the US. Sure, my kids are sold on the faceplates (had me import some for them in anticipation of getting the smaller model months ago) but as I cited, they carry their systems in their jacket/sweathirt pockets as even my girls don't carry bags but they all carry their systems along with them. And none of them like the XL, even after trying mine. So for these reasons, an XL is not an acceptable choice for them and they now feel left out of enjoying the system
@ShadyKnights
I suggest you take the time to read thru the comments on this thread alone: the majority here are not interested in faceplates and do give substantial reasons for wanting the smaller unit.
@k8sMum
I have. With no intent to insult, I will stick with my statement.
@k8sMum
I can say as a dedicated XL user that I find the screens on the smaller New 3DS as pretty amazing. The image is far sharper and I actually find the 3D even better on the smaller screen. Having been recently playing the Bravely Second demo on both my imports, I have been blown away by the smaller system, especially when playing with the 3D all the way up in comparison to my import XL. I mean, yes, the pixelation on the XL is minor, but the smaller screen did it far more justice now that even more detail had been added to the overworld in the sequel. And another thing I might add about the smaller screen: Reading the text on Monster Hunter and Final Fantasy Explorers is far easier as the XL blurs the text due to the image being stretched.
@Sir_JBizzle - I'm sure thats how they justified it to themselves, but that don't make it right. People who want the regular new 3DS who bough the XL instead are just going to be PO'd if it comes out in April w/ XC 3D. Better to just be straight up w/ your customer base I say. And if it's never coming out say that instead. I just don't see why they would keep manufacturing the original 3DS like Damon Baker said, and going to all the trouble to create faceplates and then NOT release it in the US just seems ridiculous, so it's probably coming later, and we should all expect that, so they might as well just be up front about it and say it. They'll still get their money. And for every XL sold to a person who wants the regular thats less faceplates sold.
Japan will never get the 2DS, US will get a regular new 3DS. Some day. Maybe after a new 2DS
@ShikabaneHime13 Thank you for this! lol As ive stated before, the nintendo rep said they are the same resolution, which is NOT a good thing, because of the screen size difference.
I, for one, was disappointed with Nintendo's lack of releasing the regular New 3DS. I like the original's size and it fits so well for portability and in my hands that I naturally had my heart set on purchasing the regular New 3DS. I won't be purchasing a New 3DS XL and the "rat race" of limited edition models don't tantalize me.
Personally, I think Nintendo will slowly phase out the old 3DS XL first, leaving only the 2DS and the New 3DS XL, bringing the stock placement down to two handheld systems. I would guess this will happen between now and next February. In this time, the New 3DS XL will have the benefit of gaining a few extra exclusive games not playable on the original 3DS XL and the coveted holiday season where lots of kids will be wanting the latest handheld from their parents.
As this phase completes, and if Nintendo sees demand/interest for the New 3DS XL system starting to wane or game/system sales seem slow in general for that time of year, they may decide to put the "shot in the arm" - that is introduce the regular New 3DS and its faceplates, bringing the choices back up to three, where confusion between products will be less likely. You'll only be able to choose the 2DS, New 3DS and 3DSXL. It's possible this might not happen until E3 or Christmas of 2016. On top of this, production costs will have gone down on the regular New 3DS because it's been produced in large quantities elsewhere in the world.
This is just a gut feel and an opinion. Nintendo might surprise us with the regular New 3DS if enough people make noise asking for it, but they have always drummed to their own beat. (Remember how long it took for Operation Rainfall.) Nintendo doesn't readily listen to their fan-base, as impassioned and willing to spend money, as it is. The company does what it wants based on it's own market research, goals, committee meetings and stock interests. Nintendo doesn't owe us anything if they feel it's in their best interest, at the moment, not to release a particular system.
Again, as a previous opinion on this site had stated, vote with your wallet. You might not be able to get the system you want right away - a shiny new toy! - but if you ride out the wait time, Nintendo may yet release the system you want.
Waiting - it's always the hardest part...
@ShikabaneHime13
No problem, I took no offense, lol. Thanks for hearing me out further.
I can understand and respect your point of view and reasons for wanting the N3DS over the XL and it makes very good sense. And I understand that kids and adults have their preference and we all like to get what we prefer, I just don't get all the venom spewed when you can't get your preference is all. Not necessarily by you, but there are a lot of quick tempers thrown around for essentially not getting the size and color of the GameBoy you want. And while your speculation seems logical, I think the real reason we have so many limited editions is just for Nintendo to sell the New brand easier. People like limited edition stuff coughSmashamiibocough and waving that in their face is akin to chumming the waters for sharks. I don't think people with Limited Editions get tired of that look, but a face plate that could go with your standard N3DS XL that you could swap out would be for those who just don't see a limited edition XL that they would like.
That being said, you are correct, there are various reasons for wanting a 3DS over the XL version and I apologize for coming off as insensitive to people's personal preference as we all do have reasons for choosing whichever version of whatever console over the other. It's just I don't think anger and indignation is a constructive attitude for it all ya know? I'm all for getting Nintendo to bring in regular N3DS and making the XL face plate compatible. Not one over the other, but both as it would satisfy the maximum amount of gamers and would allow force choice. However, I will not be angry if none of that comes to fruition as I care more about the games and the ability to play them over the aesthetics of the console itself (he says with a LoZ:LBW 3DSXL staring him in the face, lol).
I feel boycotting should be reserved for an affront to the industry such as making the 3DS superior in every way over the XL and not releasing both in America, the other way around, or if they say disparaging things about my race as a whole, my social standing, or me personally. If it's just business, fine I'll treat it like business and wait until I get a definitive "this is/isn't coming" before I buy something. I make known my grievances and don't buy immediately until I see the results I want, but I still buy because I support the overall concept, but I reserve immediate purchase for immediate satisfaction is all. I think business pay more attention to that than not buying at all as they want them dollars faster so they'll listen quicker. However buying it import just gives the sale to the other country, there by giving them the money and skewing the sales of what Americans want as they showed no interest in the console while everyone else ate it up. Natural reaction is to reduce the numbers of what we get even further while increasing what the others get even more as the numbers justify that.
@ShadyKnights
The only venom spewed on this thread has come from those who are happy with the release of the N3DS XL and feel everyone else should be too. Many have mocked and belittled those who dare want something different.
Even those posters really upset at nintendo's decision who have said they won't buy anything more from them are not spewing venom or name calling. As has been pointed out numerous times, nintendo doesn't owe consumers anything. The flipside of that coin is tho many of us have purchased their products for decades and feel a sense of loyalty, we owe nintendo nothing.
@k8sMum
Most, not all, but most of the comments against those decrying the need for N3DS tend to comment that the complaints and demands for the N3DS comes off as whiny and complaining. Mostly cause it tends to come off that way. I mean your statement of "Many have mocked and belittled those who dare want something different." just comes off as pretentious. Now I'm sure it's not and I'm sure you're a passionate person who just really wants to game the way you want to and I respect that. However I feel your sense of wounded indignation is a little extreme all things considered.
I also feel the severe need to just up and boycott the N3DS out right is also overly extreme and misguided. Both are just personal stances, yes, but still people are getting upset over what was never promised or offered to us. Those commercials and information about the face plates were first seen in Japan. Those N3DSs were also advertised there, not here. And while it definitely sucks the option wasn't given to us, they didn't lie or insult us by not bringing it out.
Now I'm honestly okay with the N3DSs coming over here cause it'd make you guys happy and I think options are great. Personally I hope there are face plate friendly versions of the N3DS XL that show up later on when I'm ready to upgrade. But I'm not gonna be a butt about it. Those things are just superficial and have no long term serious negative affect on the game I would be playing as that is all inside the console. Yes I'd be flustered if only the N3DS version was coming out and admittedly I would probably not buy it, but that's due to my DSi proving that I can't game on smaller handhelds like I used to without my hand cramping something furious. If that were not the issue in that situation, I'd shrug and look up some sweet ass face plates. Mmmm~
@ShadyKnights Why? What's your motive of highlighting those on the other side of this issue as "whiny" and go so far as to say "it's just for the faceplates". How does your argument help either side of this issue?
Have you tried the standard N3DS?
This isn't even about the fans that feel ignored. This is about Nintendo being shady and less than honest. They could've easily provided clarity and rectify this situation, but instead they prefer hype and confusion.
If any other technology company pulled something like this coupled with region lock, they'd receive considerable backlash.
This also should make us consider the future of what Nintendo has in store for us. Are they going to continue to treat NA as a secondary market, with less support/interaction and incomplete product lines? Do I want a ton of my purchased games locked to such a product from this company?
I don't invest in anything where my options are restricted, and I won't support a company that doesn't keep my options up to date with what they're presenting everywhere else. This is about a lot more than just pieces of plastic. It's about Nintendo giving up on making their customers feel "safe".
I am unhappy with Nintendo.
Please watch the profanity, that wasn't necessary — TBD
@Shiner1776
...Well that's a weird way to start a conversation with someone. Hm, well you seem to have completely misconstrued my sentiments as you're suggesting I have nefariously labeled people wanting N3DSs as whiny and only said they just want face plates. Now if you're speaking of the first comment I made about this subject, there is a response I made that you may have missed. If you're speaking of the last comment I made, I don't believe you quite understood what I said and have misinterpreted me. I clearly said their comments come off as whiny. Whether or not they have legitimate complaints, the points tend to be posed in a manner to come off as petty, as people seem to take business decisions personally which is just not how mature individuals should act.
Some people here have very good and legitimate and reasoned points, being they prefer the regular models over the XLs due to smaller hands, it's for their kids, pocket space, all valid reasons, but it's when the rest start delving into the whole "I can't believe Nintendo would ever do such a thing" where points start drifting into sensationalist hyperbole.
Okay let me break it down, every time Nintendo does anything different than its competitors or what the public expects, people act as if the world is ending, the company beat them, raped their wife, had a smoke and are going back in for seconds. Nintendo stays with cartridges with the N64 and the world is ending, why can't they understand discs are the only way to go?! Nintendo goes with discs with the GameCube and the world is ending, these discs are too small Nintendo, don't you get we like to watch DVDs with our gaming consoles, there's not enough memory on these discs even though there really is! Nintendo drops the GameBoy brand and starts the DS and the world is ending, how are we to play with two screens Nintendo I only play with one, how can you change things like that, DS is a dumb name GameBoy is so much better! Nintendo releases the Wii with its motion controls and backwards compatibility to the GameCube and the world is ending the controller is so awful and gimmicky, gimmick, gimmick, motion controls are dumb, gimmick, stupid casuals scumbags, HD is where it's at Nintendo you don't get it! Nintendo releases the 3DS and the world is ending, Nintendo how could you phase out my DS, 3D is dumb and stupid and it's not as powerful as the VIta! Wii U is released with HD graphics, is more powerful than the powerhouse PS3 of last gen, a new tablet controller with unique advantages to gameplay and UI control, and the largest Mature launch line up of any console and the world is ending, Nintendo how could you still be region locked when the others aren't, these games are old though some of them are the definitive versions of the game, but still old, Wii U is a dumb name and hard to remember even though it is almost visually and phonetically Wii 2, motion controls are a fad, why is there a second screen when I'm only used to one screen, it's not as powerful as the PS4 or XBOne, why no cross buy?! And now the N3DS is launched and the world is ending, I don't care what the numbers say I like my regular 3DS, we're being treated like second class citizens for not being given what we were expecting but never promised, NOA is garbage trash that treats us all like garbage!
Oh, but I forgot how "Nintendo is just behind the times/ doesn't get how Westerners work/ are just a bunch of old out of touch men" too. So, yeah I'm genuinely sorry that I have offended you. I know I come off as abrasive or tend to not word myself that well at times, but I've read and heard all that stuff for years. As in back in the N64 era. So when you say this should make people consider how the future of what Nintendo has in store for us, I have to wonder about either your age or your memory. Nintendo does this all the time. Not out of spite for the consumer, but to protect the company as a whole and their properties which are worth a hell of a lot.
Hell you say any other company would receive backlash for this? Really? Well let's look at the competition. The Vita is region free, but is supported like festering horse plops outside of Japan. It's not backwards compatible so you can't play PSP games on it unless you buy them again, and it's connectablity with the PS3 and 4 is iffy at best from what I hear. No one utters a word. Nintendo however, regardless of which version of the 3DS you have, supports the software adequately at least and it's backwards compatible. Everyone looses their mind every time Nintendo makes one move we all feel is stupid no matter how small. Oh it's region locked yes, but there is generally a steady flow of games coming to it and you can play the DS games you may have missed, yet people still act as if this is awful. That seems unreasonable to me.
And your stuff will be "locked" to whomever you support, be it Nintendo, Sony, or Microsoft. You get games for them, you play them on them. Unless Sony and Microsoft announced you can play each others games on the competitor's consoles when I wasn't looking and I missed that internet explosion.
As I've inferred before, this is a business decision, not a personal one. Maybe we all need to dial it back a bit and recognize companies run by numbers. The Vita wasn't bought at numbers of the PS4 in the West, so the West gets few games for them. That is a counter productive move, but it is a move accepted by the masses when Sony does it and doesn't even explain it. Nintendo has clarified, as ShikabaneHime13 reminded me, that the N3DS isn't coming due to marketing and because the XL has outsold the 3DS by a considerable enough margin to make releasing both seem like an unwise business move. They clarified this and it's still not good enough.
As someone who's just on the outside looking in, as I have no interest in getting a N3DS/XL any time soon, it appears that people just aren't satisfied with that answer. And it's understandable to not be. Especially if you're of the minority who prefer the base model over the XL one. But this isn't about everyone feeling safe or betrayed or ill attended to. You're not getting what you want right now and you're not hearing the answers you want right now. That's all. Cause they stated their reasoning. It's a business one. Business sense doesn't seem to coincide with mass perception too often so it's understandable that in general we wouldn't quite get the reasoning behind it all, but this worry, hyperbole and anger is just silly.
No, I haven't tried the standard N3DS and that holds no baring on anything whatsoever. I've not tried the N3DS XL either. I'm just a guy who came in, got frustrated with what I was reading and posted my opinions on how everything appears form a third party perspective. It looks plain silly to be this bent out of shape. Again, nothing wrong with being angry or frustrated, but the way it's being displayed is just immature.
@WaveBoy
Okay. That's cool. I personally think my 3DS XL looks lovely when compared to my DSi. Some jaggies, never noticed fuzz myself, but sure bro. I have bad eyes in general so larger screen that requires less squinting is better for me in the long and short run.
@Bazly (@ThomasBW84)
Uhh you forgot to tag Mr. Whitehead. How do you expect to have an intelligent conversation without tagging the poor guy? That's "lazy" and a bit cowardly to intentionally get the last word in. Especially when your secondary response seemed a little remorseful.
The man is anything but lazy.
Let's be fair though, it's not like Nintendo wanted to do this, he's just elaborating why it may have happened. Obviously there's a reason, yes? It's not butt kissing, it's an opinion piece that's trying to use logic.
I was upset by Nintendo's decision as well, as I too wanted a normal N3DS. All we can do is tell Nintendo how we feel, and hope something comes out of it. None of that social media garbage though. It's much more admirable to do it personally, via calling or emailing.
@MoonKnight7 Yeah, to be honest, if I'm not tagged I don't often see it. I do read comments when I can, but I don't often have the chance.
@Bazly - At the appropriate times we covered campaigns such as Operation Rainfall, drop region locking etc. When I look at the petitions and FaceplaceNA hashtag it's all about the New 3DS for NA. And, as I've said many, many times, I agree with them and feel sympathy for the cause. I find the decision from NoA a bit baffling, but the purpose of this article was to at least try and address the logic and reasoning that's driven this decision from Nintendo's end. No-one has to agree with it, but I'm just giving that perspective.
A strength of the FaceplaceNA campaign is that it's focused. I've seen small numbers saying "make it about region locking too" etc, but that's a terrible idea IMO. If you want a campaign to work, keep it focused and pick battles.
Personally, and I'm not having a go at you, I really think you're misunderstanding the point of this article. It's not an outright opinion piece of me just saying what I think, it's an editorial that, in this case, is trying to make sense of a noisy situation.
@ThomasBW84 (@Bazly)
I figured you didn't see it, and it really bothered me. Said person asked for a response, but when you responded back, they did not want to carry on the conversation further with your participation. We're all allowed to disagree with anything, but to not tag someone is cowardly. It's a cheap way at getting in the last word.
I'm currently living in Japan, so I have to have 2 3DSs, thanks to region-locking. I have an XL for US and a New 3DS for JP. Having used both, I desperately want the New 3DS for my US games, and was willing to import one without even being able to trade in my 3DS XL. So I'm getting double slammed, because not only does region-locking force me to have 2 3DSs, now I can't even upgrade my US one because there's ONLY the New 3DS XL and ONLY US games work on it.
I now have money to buy stuff, and Nintendo has actively made it difficult to buy their products. They've already lost me as a Wii U customer, and now they forced me out of New 3DS for US, meaning I won't get to play Xenoblade Chronicles, despite HAVING a New 3DS (in Japanese). I can't win with Nintendo anymore, and that's brutal when you consider how easy it's been in the past. They're legitimately losing me this generation, and that's sad.
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