The physiology of Toads is not well established, nor was it likely ever meant to be. But when you take the faithful Mushroom Retainers and start throwing in ones with names like "Toadette" that look decidedly more feminine than the original model, we as human beings begin to ask questions. What can we say? We're a race brimming with natural curiosity. And fanfic ideas.
Gamespot recently posed the question of Toads' genders in an interview with Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker producer Koichi Hayashida. The reply might seem a bit odd, and potentially disappointing to anyone hoping a Toad-and-Toadette romance might become canon:
This is maybe a little bit of a strange story, but we never really went out of our way to decide on the sex of these characters, even though they have somewhat gendered appearances. But I think what I can say is that Toadette and Toad are not siblings — perhaps it would be more accurate to say they are adventure pals. And that’s certainly true here.
This may be the measured response of a man terrified of hurtling headfirst into The Birdo Zone, but it must be accepted. Toads don't really have set genders, even if it looks like they do. They're just Toads, and that's enough.
...Or is it? What exactly does it mean to be a Toad? Just what are Toads in and of themselves? Hayashida isn't saying much on that, either:
This particular riddle might stay unsolved. That’s one of the great mysteries of the Mario universe.
[source gamespot.com]
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There were definitely gendered Toads in Thousand-Year Door.
I always was under the impression that "Toadette" are female Toads that are more about the background of things, while Toads are like public workers.
The only games to actually differentiate Toads in genders were the Paper Mario games and Super Mario RPG, though they don't really give us that much insight on a Toads' societal status in the Mario Universe, anyway.
But since Nintendo has no official explanation for female Toads being comparably rare, I'll wait until they hand us one.
@Kaze_Memaryu
Not all Paper Mario games differentiate Toad genders.... Sticker Star contains only generic Toads...I guess they were afraid of accidentally creating an interesting character.
"Adventure Pals" made me laugh for some reason.
"The Birdo Zone"
Hahahaha.
Yeah, there were definitely gendered Toads in TTYD. Otherwise, yeah, most of them are generic and it's a shame.
Hey, just because some Toads aren't pink or don't have braided pigtails doesn't mean they aren't female.
BTW, "adventure pals" doesn't preclude romance. It could, in fact, suggest it.
Of course, they are anthropomorphized mushrooms: toad is short for toadstool. The problem is when you include the other mushrooms in the game. The ones Mario eats or the Goombas which he stomps. It's all rather odd if you try to make it sensible. Perhaps they are evolved mushrooms and nature is full of the strictly plant kind, but then why is Princess Toadstool so utterly human?
@EarthboundBenjy True, but Sticker Star was an oddball in many regards, and I think that's largely because it was made by Genius Sonority, not Intelligent Systems - that's not meant to be critical, but GS probably didn't wanna deviate from Mario standards too far to please Nintendo. Or... they just didn't even notice, I dunno.
It's obvious that they are all males because every toad you meet is a fungi!
Please tip your waitresses......I'll be here all week!
So they are nintendo's equivelant to the Asari (gender less blue aliens from the Mass Effect series)?
I wonder if there are male Toadettes considering there are some female Toads, probably not.
@Gerbwmu high-five
They really shouldn't have named her Toadette if it doesn't have a specified gender, but maybe they didn't tell NOA that Toads were genderless when they named her that.
So Toadsworth is NOT an old man? Just an old toad.
It's kind of funny how I never questioned their genders until they introduced Toadette and Toadsworth. At that point my mind just went to the Smurf lifestyle; which I also haven't question much.
@Kaze_Memaryu According to what I have read and from the own games title screen Sticker Star was in fact made by Intelligent Systems and in my opinion is actually a rock solid game. Even so it still isn't as good as the previous entries in the series!
This news is making several members here feel very uncomfortable about what they have been doing with their Toadette plushies all these years.
He never says they are genderless. He just says they never went out of their way deciding what gender they will be and then mentions that obviously one looks more like a girl.
It feels like the guy wasn't sure about how to answer and didn't want to 'create' something like a concrete Toad structure or a more certain, interesting relationship between Toad and Toadette, so this is the answer he gave.
And I'm with @jahasnell on this, he didn't directly say they have no gender. Perhaps it's one of those things where it's best to decide for yourself what the characters are, what they mean to you and how you perceive them.
i could care less, but it's bound to be important for a particular segment of the internet.
So Toad is frienzoned by Toadette.
Such a shame.
Mushrooms reproduce with spores though. That means they have less gender than flowers, let alone animals.
Why was this ever a thing? haha
By the way, Hayashida-san apparently also said that the toads aren't mushrooms. They do appear to be part man part mushroom, but even then that's not enough for them to necessarily be genderless or reproduce like plants.
I'm not sure if I can post this link, but here's where I got that piece of info from.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/nintendo-reveals-the-toads-gender-secret/1100-6423610/
So they're like the Asari of the Mario universe?
They're basically saying that they don't care for the details and think you shouldn't either.
....my word.
Well they're considerably, almost definitive when it comes to gender so...
They could just add some hand holding and implied blushing, for whatever reason, to subtly drop it in.
Also guys, Rosalina is apparently far bigger than Peach and Daisy; another detail I noticed that wasn't emphasised.
Would be nice to see a game with real context in terms of scale, detail and relationships with one another.
Anyway, I love Nintendo :')
They've never let me down!
@Gerbwmu Literally laughed out loud. I must be tired.
Well, I'd say the "ette" mixed with the fact it has pink pigtails and a feminine voice is enough to verify that Toadette is a female.
And toad has always seemed the more masculine out of the two, but this certainly isn't something I'm going to waste my time thinking about.
They're Toads.
That first paragraph made me chuckle.
I think I'll just start calling my favorite little 'shroom heads "Non-gender specific anthropomorphic fungi" from now on.
People write fanfics about Toad? ;-;
@EarthboundBenjy
I lol'd for real. Well said!
Well it makes a lot more sense if they are gendered, because if there is only one toadette, then going off on an adventure and losing her is bound to get you in hot water with the rest of the toads! "Find her, or become a pariah/life sentence in toad jail/etc"
Omg, Nintendo... just stop. For years you have been referring them to either "Him" or "Her" or "He" or "She" or so on. Also, Toads more resemble humans just kind of dressed up. Then you also got the opening of Galaxy where you see Toad and Toadette both holding hands like there could be some chemistry there, or whatever.
Time for adventure = Toad
Maybe they are both not one or the other. Some want to dress and act masculine. Some want to dress and act feminine.
Another great Nintendo mystery... Along with nuggets like, "Is Yoshi a dragon or a dinosaur?" or "Why can't Samus crawl?"
I really like the idea of that. A toad is free to choose whatever it wants to be! That's really cute. ☺️
@ikki5 Don't worry, you are not alone.
I imagine they're like the Smurfs. The genderless majority can mysteriously procreate without "females", but then there's Smurfette (who was created by Gargamel), who I guess just likes to be more feminine, despite also not really having a gender.
@Swiket They reproduce with Kinopio-spores, commonly found in Mushroom Kingdom and at the Tokyo EADs.
@Scary_Old_Lady That was the joke. Because the internet is terrible. But it doesn't realize it is. So it feels the need to make everything terrible. True story.
I just always thought gender never cared, like with Toad or Yoshi. Now with Mario or Link, we better know that they are male.
IIRC, wasnt it also confirmed (or mentioned) some time ago that Yoshis and even Kirby are genderless? And that we just give them the s/he pronouns because calling them "it" is just too weird for us?
But also, considering the Tomodachi Life incident, and how much of a hot-button issue the mere mention of gender/race/sexuality is on the internet, I don't blame them for trying to be ambiguous about this.
They're not human, they're fungi. Fungi are inherently asexual and reproduce by spores, unlike plants, many of which are technically hermaphrodites (flowers contain pistol and stamen, for instance).
BTW, since Yoshi was brought up, "he's" obviously female, since male dinosaurs don't lay eggs! Which makes the Birdo/Yoshi chemistry even wierder...
@EarthboundBenjy
Hahaha, that would have been horrible. Like all the interesting characters in Thousand Year Door.
I'm going to start referring to my wife as my "adventure pal."
So for all Nintendo cares Toadette could be a new half or a futanari. Anyway I'm glad Nintendo spends more time making games that are fun to play rather than wasting time having concrete answers about toad genders.
Didn't Toadette have a thing for Mario? I recall reading that somewhere.
I think a more intriguing question is: Is that a hat on top of their heads or is that their hair. I've never seen toads without their cap, if that's what that is.
@StarDust4Ever I seem to recall someone at Nintendo claiming Yoshi isn't a "dinosaur", he's a "Yoshi". With that logic, maybe all Yoshis lay eggs, including males?
As mentioned, yes, mushrooms are asexual and reproduce via spores, so it seems Toadette is no more female or male than Toad. Still, think for a minute what happens when Peach holds out Toad in Smash Bros and he gets hit. Think about his reaction and what that means.
@Turbo857 http://p1-start.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/toadnohat.png courtesy of the animated show.
I think people are really putting too much time and energy into this. Do we really need to know the genetic makeup and sociology of the Mushroom Kingdom people to run through it destroying their property and stealing their gold coins while hopped up on 'shrooms?
Just don't think about it. They've had plenty of female toads around. They're just there, let it go.
@Dpishere AAARGH!!! I'm such a fool! Genius Sonority was behind Pokémon Link! Battle, not Sticker Star! slams head on desk repeatedly
I just chalk it up to the Smurfs theory and call it a day
Doesn't matter. At the end the body is just a vessel and our soul are both male/female. So at the end we all are female and male at the same time! Our body just makes the difference, but that's it. Nuff said
@dudujencarelli Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door. When you get your last hammer upgrade she gets all sad that she won't see you (Mario) anymore.
@MasterWario I knew it! My memory never fails.
Thank god we're finally having a discussion about gender in video games.
Okay, I can accept that there's no official gender for any of the normal Toads. However, how do you have a character named Toadette, make her pink with cute pigtails, and not have it be an application of the Smurfette Principle?!
What gender are the mom and dad Toads?
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